General Reports

Understandable if you don't want to give full details, but it would be good to know a few things, like:

1) Was there an actual massage, too, and was it good?
2) .75 for an hour is pretty good ... if it was FS ... but "eh" if it was something lesser. By saying "usual stuff that consenting adults do" but also calling it a get-to-know-you session, one kind of wonders whether it was a good deal or just so-so
3) Was there any attempt at upsell or were you led at all to believe that more $$$ would lead to more fun?

Thanks for reply or PM, if you prefer ... but a monger really needs a little more.

Edit: I see in her ad she says "all-inclusive" and no tipping required ... so does that mean it was the full meal deal? Pretty damn good for .75 if so ... but also leaves one wondering what the continuous improvement you hope for implies?

[QUOTE=Sparty0320][url]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/AdultJobs/erotic-massage-22/4778081[/url]
This was to be an hour session for .75 and we went about the usual stuff that consenting adults do. Skills were slightly better than average and she really got into it (some aspects of a woman's arousal cannot be faked).
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I have no problem with details. My last post was quick because I wrote it shortly after arriving at work and had a lot on my plate (I was late into work this morning because I was "at a customer").

First, There was no actual massage. She was interested in what I was into so if I had asked for one, she likely would have given me one. She has another ad in the rubdown section of BP that advertises a bubble bath and massage for 1.2. I may take her up on that sometime. It's been a long time since I had a woman bathe me.

When I asked her what she liked, she told me that she was up for pretty much anything but greek. I can fully understand that and it would not be something i would ask for.

Next, yes it was CFS. There was FK with the occasional DFK, BBBJ, DATY and a bit of Russian. This is what I meant by "usual stuff that consenting adults do".

There was nothing about this appointment that was "mind blowing" but it wasn't a bad appointment. Everything was "comfortable and nice" not mechanical. As for my comment about this being a "get to know you" session, I have had first time sessions with other providers where everything was adequate on the first go but by the second or third session it had been elevated to "ass spanking fun". Sometimes a girl needs a session or two to become really comfortable with a guy and for myself, I sometimes need a session or two to become really comfortable with her.

I don't think that I got less than what I expected (except for the time, which was partially my fault for not saying something or simply continuing with the action) but instead I got something different than I expected. More like a "cuddle up on a chilly day" type of FS. We'll see if this elevates to something more rowdy next time. Personally, I think I got a good deal for 0.75 but I should have finished out the hour. Next time.

No attempt to upsell at all. No discussion regarding additional services or what services would be rendered. No indication that additional donations would lead to more fun. Hell, for all she knew the envelope I set down on her dresser could have been empty or filled with newspaper. She never acknowledged it in any way (I've had other who have excused themselves and taken it into another room to count it. Bad form on their part)

Whenever I see "all inclusive" or words similar to that, I always consider the words to mean a "full meal deal". As for the "continuous improvement" I am hoping for, I guess what I am hoping is that a bit of chemistry develops and things get a bit more intense. It may well be that I simply have to ask for it but it's not in my nature to say "do this" or "do that". I'm trying to break myself of that.

On an additional note, this girl appears to be educated. She does not appear to be doing any drugs as she showed none of the typical signs of drug use (mentally or physically). She seems genuine in her desire to please.

[QUOTE=Sparty0320][url]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/AdultJobs/erotic-massage-22/4778081[/url]

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I met her in person at a party that was sponsored by another board - two of the pics are exactly the same as what she used on the other board. She got off on the wrong foot, right away. She got so shit-faced at the party that it wasn't real. She also had considerable extra pounds on her. I heard from other guys that certain positions were unavailable because of her bad back, despite the fact that she pops vicodins like candy. I'd never see her, even though she's FS.

[QUOTE=Grmojo]I met her in person at a party that was sponsored by another board - two of the pics are exactly the same as what she used on the other board. She got off on the wrong foot, right away. She got so shit-faced at the party that it wasn't real. She also had considerable extra pounds on her. I heard from other guys that certain positions were unavailable because of her bad back, despite the fact that she pops vicodins like candy. I'd never see her, even though she's FS.[/QUOTE]
She even post occasional freebies for rides,lmao. Sad though.

If it's the site I'm thinking of, I'm familiar with their parties from the reading I've done. (Never been to one of their parties).

In any case, I'm wondering how long ago that was. The reason I ask is that while I was researching this girl (yes I try to get as much free background as I can) I found this site;

[url]http://littlehams.xanga.com/[/url]

Apparently a blog she set up about five years ago and quit posting to about two years ago. (she has a my space page to but it is set to private). She writes about a car accident and getting her back fixed. A lot of it sounds like bullshit but if half of what she has posted is true, then she has been an abuser of many different drugs and alcohol. Maybe she still is but she appeared clean and sober to me. I think if anything, she's likely off the drugs but possibly still boozing it up. In any case, I went in knowing that she could be an addict.

As for her weight, I would not describe her as fat but she could stand to lose about 20 pounds. The picture of her squatting is likely recent. Good representation of her weight.

We used 4 different positions (dog, CG, RCG and mish), no issues but maybe other positions are off limits?


[QUOTE=Grmojo]I met her in person at a party that was sponsored by another board - two of the pics are exactly the same as what she used on the other board. She got off on the wrong foot, right away. She got so shit-faced at the party that it wasn't real. She also had considerable extra pounds on her. I heard from other guys that certain positions were unavailable because of her bad back, despite the fact that she pops vicodins like candy. I'd never see her, even though she's FS.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Grmojo] I'd never see her, even though she's FS.[/QUOTE]

Out of curiosity, why would you never see her? Personal preference or is there more to it?

I can't imagine it's drugs and booze because at least half of the internet escorts and all of the SWs are on one or the other or both. As far as looks go, she ain't a knock out but she ain't ugly either. So what is it??

I'm beginning to think that there is a bigger story here. Now I'm wondering if I may be better off not visiting her again.

[QUOTE=Sparty0320]Out of curiosity, why would you never see her? Personal preference or is there more to it?

I can't imagine it's drugs and booze because at least half of the internet escorts and all of the SWs are on one or the other or both. As far as looks go, she ain't a knock out but she ain't ugly either. So what is it??

I'm beginning to think that there is a bigger story here. Now I'm wondering if I may be better off not visiting her again.[/QUOTE]

She has a reputation for bad incall locations and drug use. I was totally turned-off by her personality, when I met her in December of 2008. Also, she was pudgy when I met her - fat, drunk and stupid is no way for her to go through life. lol

[QUOTE=Sparty0320]I have no problem with details. [/QUOTE]

Thanks for all the info ... hope you didn't think I was trying to get you to write a novel, but just wanting to get a better sense if she was a good deal. She indeed sounds like she is. Appreciate it.

If I decide to unretire, I'd definitely see her. I also think, as you are thinking, she's maybe gotten part of her act together and is improved over what other mongers have said from the past.

Yeah I get what you're saying.
I wasn't turned off by her incall. Not the best nieghborhood but far from being "the hood". Hell, I only work a mile away. I generally prefer a house/apartment over a motel room anyway.

As for the rest, I can only vouch for what I observed. No signs of drug use. Might still booze it up but sober this morning. It has been a couple years since you saw her. A lot can change but hey, to each his own.

Not sure of the definition of pudgy. She could stand to lose about 20 lbs but I would rather have that than a rail thin crack addict.


[QUOTE=Grmojo]She has a reputation for bad incall locations and drug use. I was totally turned-off by her personality, when I met her in December of 2008. Also, she was pudgy when I met her - fat, drunk and stupid is no way for her to go through life. lol[/QUOTE]

You're welcome.



[QUOTE=TwistedBrother]Thanks for all the info ... hope you didn't think I was trying to get you to write a novel, but just wanting to get a better sense if she was a good deal. She indeed sounds like she is. Appreciate it.

If I decide to unretire, I'd definitely see her. I also think, as you are thinking, she's maybe gotten part of her act together and is improved over what other mongers have said from the past.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sparty0320]Yeah I get what you're saying.
I wasn't turned off by her incall. Not the best nieghborhood but far from being "the hood". Hell, I only work a mile away. I generally prefer a house/apartment over a motel room anyway.

As for the rest, I can only vouch for what I observed. No signs of drug use. Might still booze it up but sober this morning. It has been a couple years since you saw her. A lot can change but hey, to each his own.

Not sure of the definition of pudgy. She could stand to lose about 20 lbs but I would rather have that than a rail thin crack addict.[/QUOTE]

If she's only 20 lbs overweight, she has lost some weight. She was about 40-50 pounds overweight when I met her. She also talked way too much, coming off as an idiot with an attitude. I looked up some old emails about her and there was a reference to drug paraphernalia being in plain view at her incall - he wasn't sure if it belonged to her.

Well I have to say she does like to talk but then I have met very few (maybe two) women who don't. She didn't come across as an idiot; just a typical girl giving long winded answers to questions I asked her. It is a "fault" of mine to try to get to know a little bit about a provider. It seems to make them feel more comfortable (maybe a bit appreciated?) on subsequent visits when I ask them about something they told me. It also gives me an opportunity to determine how much BS they fed me. To a point (admittedly on a somewhat superficial level), I do care about what they have to say.

I also make a point of taking a good look around whenever I am in a home/apartment/motel room of a provider. Previously, when I said there were no signs of drug use, I was referring to her own physical appearance and actions and mental acuity. I should have also mentioned that there was no drug or drug paraphernalia to be seen. That doesn't mean there wasn't any but only that I didn't see it. My personal opinion is that if she is still doing any kind of drug, it is alcohol and nothing else.

The excessive talking and attitude you witnessed could have been the result of her being shitfaced at the time. Back in my drinking days I could talk for hours about nothing when I was plastered and not realize that I was annoying the hell out of people.

If she was 40 to 50 lbs overweight, I would have turned around and left. Not because of the weight (a bigger girl doesn't bother me at all, if the weight is carried well) but because she would have misrepresented herself. If you look at the pics in the link I provided in a previous post, the pic of her squatting and the pic of her laying on her back on the floor are accurate representations of her appearance. The only exception would be that her face looks better in person.

Here is what I found interesting. This morning I received an unsolicited email from her. In part it said, "I noticed some of your time wasn't used. I plan to add it on next time, if you want to get together again. I am looking forward to it. Feel free to text me with any questions you may have."

I've gone short on time on occasion with other providers and never received an offer from any of them to tack the unused time on to a subsequent appointment. I will find out in a couple of weeks if she holds to her statement.

Just to be clear, I am not trying to convince you to give her another chance. I wanted to state that for the record because when I read through my post, it kind of sounds that way. All I am doing here is trying to further clarify my observations. I have no doubt that you saw what you saw.


[QUOTE=Grmojo]If she's only 20 lbs overweight, she has lost some weight. She was about 40-50 pounds overweight when I met her. She also talked way too much, coming off as an idiot with an attitude. I looked up some old emails about her and there was a reference to drug paraphernalia being in plain view at her incall - he wasn't sure if it belonged to her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sparty0320][url]http://littlehams.xanga.com/[/url]

Apparently a blog she set up about five years ago and quit posting to about two years ago. (she has a my space page to but it is set to private). She writes about a car accident and getting her back fixed. A lot of it sounds like bullshit but if half of what she has posted is true, then she has been an abuser of many different drugs and alcohol.[/QUOTE]Wow. What a picture that blog is. From "the life", whatever she meant by that, with judges and lawyers and doctors who bought her expensive gifts to 75 a pop today. I feel kinda bad for her, but not too bad to take advantage, hehe. Not gonna try to be her boytoy though. They apparently turn to shitheads in short order!

[QUOTE=Loner 59]Wow. What a picture that blog is. From "the life", whatever she meant by that, with judges and lawyers and doctors who bought her expensive gifts to 75 a pop today. I feel kinda bad for her, but not too bad to take advantage, hehe. Not gonna try to be her boytoy though. They apparently turn to shitheads in short order![/QUOTE]

I kind of feel bad for her to but in the end she chose to live in the fast lane. Maybe she's trying to slow it down now. Who knows.

I personally don't see it as taking advantage. She wants to advertise 75 a pop, then so be it. She has the power to get in better shape and up her game to ask for more. Or get out altogether.

No boytoy here either. I cannot afford two steady women in my life. The one I have already works hard at ensuring I don't climb out of middle class. LOL.

I have never met the woman being discussed at the moment, but I have read a few reviews about her on a different site. Some were good, but most of them were either very vague, or just not good at all. I have seen her going by the name of ashlillian before as well. Even though she had several poor reviews I still was willling to give it a shot (the $ was right), but 2 days before I was going to try and schedule she was banned from the board. That increased the risk just a little too much for me. I was never able to find out why she was banned, but when a mod bans you from a board there is a 80% chance that it was for a good reason.

Happy Hunting,

OG75