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[QUOTE=ArtArt112;6757631]Anyone try that geisha site? Seems interesting and I don't mind the price point if it's worth it. Also recording option? Wouldn't that make it legal and legit since you are shooting a porno for all intents and purposes 🤣.[/QUOTE]There is at least one legit review on TER I think.
[QUOTE=Nrlmus;6755591]What are you talking about dude? Your hard earned dollars are helping women that chose to sacrifice themselves in order to help their families back home. I wish there were more people in America who thought like that.[/QUOTE]Yup, dream on my friend, I see that rationalization machine starting up. Honestly, I told myself the same thing for years.
But the main point is that BTT really proves that the forces behind these constantly revived K-brothels are not people who a shit about the clients or the providers. They put clients at risk with reckless handling of client personal info (which we as suckers are happy to send them), and, let's be honest, they exploit the women. Sure. After mechanically fucking dozens of men a week, shuttled from room to dark room working 6 or 7 days a week for years, some do collect enough dollars to help get them or their families out of debt. But it's generally a miserable situation and it doesn't have to be that way.
Ask yourself: when these K agencies "offer" BBFS, do you really thing the women do that out of personal choice? The risks they run by providing the service are so high. They have to be compelled -- either through desperation for the $, or through some kind of strong arming.
Again, believe whatever fantasy you want. Go sign up the the "Geisha" agency, give them your personal details, it's your choice, but be honest with yourself about what you're being a part of.
[QUOTE=KashkaiBoy;6759086]Yup, dream on my friend, I see that rationalization machine starting up. Honestly, I told myself the same thing for years.
But the main point is that BTT really proves that the forces behind these constantly revived K-brothels are not people who a shit about the clients or the providers. They put clients at risk with reckless handling of client personal info (which we as suckers are happy to send them), and, let's be honest, they exploit the women. Sure. After mechanically fucking dozens of men a week, shuttled from room to dark room working 6 or 7 days a week for years, some do collect enough dollars to help get them or their families out of debt. But it's generally a miserable situation and it doesn't have to be that way.
Ask yourself: when these K agencies "offer" BBFS, do you really thing the women do that out of personal choice? The risks they run by providing the service are so high. They have to be compelled -- either through desperation for the $, or through some kind of strong arming.
Again, believe whatever fantasy you want. Go sign up the the "Geisha" agency, give them your personal details, it's your choice, but be honest with yourself about what you're being a part of.[/QUOTE]I have to concur! We can all try to rationalize it in whatever way we wish, but the bottom line is it is a bad situation for both mongers and providers. The only people who really win are the exploiters and traffickers.
Escort agencies (and escorts), in general, should be a very last resort for most of us. It is your hard-earned money, after all--you could be using it to improve your life! There are many women willing to sleep with you for free and as much as you could want if you are willing to put the time and energy into it. Even better quality women overseas who just want an American man regardless of looks, status, or wealth.
It is false to assume that these K-girls' only option to get out of debt is to allow themselves to be (effectively) raped by random strangers. I have greatly reduced my mongering activities in recent years, and now if I do, it's mostly with strippers who I've built a relationship with over time, girls who are more of a friends-with-extra-benefits type situation.
[QUOTE=KashkaiBoy;6759086]Yup, dream on my friend, I see that rationalization machine starting up. Honestly, I told myself the same thing for years.
But the main point is that BTT really proves that the forces behind these constantly revived K-brothels are not people who a shit about the clients or the providers. They put clients at risk with reckless handling of client personal info (which we as suckers are happy to send them), and, let's be honest, they exploit the women. Sure. After mechanically fucking dozens of men a week, shuttled from room to dark room working 6 or 7 days a week for years, some do collect enough dollars to help get them or their families out of debt. But it's generally a miserable situation and it doesn't have to be that way.
Ask yourself: when these K agencies "offer" BBFS, do you really thing the women do that out of personal choice? The risks they run by providing the service are so high. They have to be compelled -- either through desperation for the $, or through some kind of strong arming.
Again, believe whatever fantasy you want. Go sign up the the "Geisha" agency, give them your personal details, it's your choice, but be honest with yourself about what you're being a part of.[/QUOTE]Sorry man but you just don't know what you're talking about as far as women are concerned. Women come here very much voluntarily, very much aware of what they're in for and get compensated very well by Korean standards. Those of us who stayed in Korea for more than a week and have Korean friends know the score.
Moreover they're mostly in charge of their own schedule. I know a girl who constantly took days off because she didn't feel like working too much. Many of them take days or even week long vacations to see Gran Canyon, etc. There is absolutely no forced labor involved here. Obviously it's a business just like any other business. If agency feels that you don't make them money why would it bother with you? Welcome to America man! Or any other place on earth for that matter.
As for exploiting us, well, sorry if you feel that way. You know, nobody forces you to be exploited here. Don't need to spend your money on them. Just don't go. I'm just wondering if anybody else here feels exploited by escort agencies that constantly force them to see their girls?
The other thing, I know that owners got arrested during BTT and VA bust. I also know that 28 mongers got in trouble. But I haven't heard anything about the girls. We all know that BTT always had girls in their apartments so if authorities were to burst in they would always find at least one girl working there but likely two. Chances are they might even be able to catch at least one of them in the act.
I haven't heard anything about BTT or Virginia girls getting in trouble. I just asked two girls that I'm in touch with about this, and they haven't heard anything about that either. Nobody got detained, summoned, let alone deported. Not as far as I or anybody I asked know. Anyone heard anything about that?
[QUOTE=Nrlmus;6759698]Sorry man but you just don't know what you're talking about as far as women are concerned. Women come here very much voluntarily, very much aware of what they're in for and get compensated very well by Korean standards. Those of us who stayed in Korea for more than a week and have Korean friends know the score.
Moreover they're mostly in charge of their own schedule. I know a girl who constantly took days off because she didn't feel like working too much. Many of them take days or even week long vacations to see Gran Canyon, etc. There is absolutely no forced labor involved here. Obviously it's a business just like any other business. If agency feels that you don't make them money why would it bother with you? Welcome to America man! Or any other place on earth for that matter.
As for exploiting us, well, sorry if you feel that way. You know, nobody forces you to be exploited here. Don't need to spend your money on them. Just don't go. I'm just wondering if anybody else here feels exploited by escort agencies that constantly force them to see their girls?[/QUOTE]I have not always seen eye to eye with Nrlmus but his rebuttal here of KB's post is pretty solid and an accurate assessment of the KGirl scene.
I do want to address this KB quote though:
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Ask yourself: when these K agencies "offer" BBFS, do you really thing the women do that out of personal choice? The risks they run by providing the service are so high. They have to be compelled -- either through desperation for the $, or through some kind of strong arming.
[/QUOTE]Everything you say here is nonsense. The agency, any agency, wants the girls to be popular and busy that is all. If a GFE only girl like Gloria can book 6-10 guys a day they don't give two shits if she offers BBFS. Also, you have this misconception that the agency keeps BBFS money. In 90% of the cases they do not. BTT was the exception because they were greedy fucks and wanted to peel $50 off of the $150 bb fee. In NYC, LA, OC etc the girl and client make the BBFS deal in the room, agency has no knowledge of the upgrade.
I would be happy to post the history of KGirl BBFS being publicly offered (Started around 2019 in LA) but don't want to bog this post down.
[QUOTE=PaulRew;6759762]you have this misconception that the agency keeps BBFS money. In 90% of the cases they do not. [/QUOTE]I definitely second that in terms of maangels. Once I had a girl I got close to insisting on BBFS with no need for me to pay upgrade. We had a bit of a row following the session about that but she just outright refused to take it. She told me that she'd still get her agency cut but wanted to give me a present. No lie. Unfortunately she went back in Korea though.
Okay I wanted to interrupt your long long chit chat about the agencies. Sorry.
She is new to the BI and when I saw that she close enough were I was visiting some friends I decided to gave her a visit, Set up was easy, I asked if she was free around certain time and she actually was (yes!
Once I got to the place and I saw her she made me smile, she was like a cute package ready to be unwrap (she was wearing the same outfit from her profile) I can say she looked like the cute Latina that has some sass and flirt with her eyes at a University campus, her English is good enough for a date, her shape goes well with her size and proportions (for me at least), she would insist you for a shower before so keep that on mind to save some time, she is not much of a kisser but she does make nice faces during the action.
Over all the date went well but I would give her a 7 (she was not as flexible and made some positions a bit awkward), she can give you some dirt or sweet talk depending of your requests, she interacts pretty well, she likes to look at the mirror and that is a plus.
Damage 4.
Thank you for reading and now you can go back to your regular chit chat.
Have fun and stay warm.
By the way I went to Maine for two week and sucks, Provably it is only fun during summer time. (Okay I just wanted to take that out of my chest since I can't complain about it IRL LOL).
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[QUOTE=Nrlmus;6759744]The other thing, I know that owners got arrested during BTT and VA bust. I also know that 28 mongers got in trouble. But I haven't heard anything about the girls. We all know that BTT always had girls in their apartments so if authorities were to burst in they would always find at least one girl working there but likely two. Chances are they might even be able to catch at least one of them in the act.
I haven't heard anything about BTT or Virginia girls getting in trouble. I just asked two girls that I'm in touch with about this, and they haven't heard anything about that either. Nobody got detained, summoned, let alone deported. Not as far as I or anybody I asked know. Anyone heard anything about that?[/QUOTE]I just got a text from one of maangels girls: "I heard the woman no problem". I guess that solves that.
[QUOTE=PaulRew;6759762]I would be happy to post the history of KGirl BBFS being publicly offered (Started around 2019 in LA) but don't want to bog this post down.[/QUOTE]I would be interest, you could post it on another forum. If you do, let me know!
[QUOTE=Nrlmus;6759744]The other thing, I know that owners got arrested during BTT and VA bust. I also know that 28 mongers got in trouble. But I haven't heard anything about the girls. We all know that BTT always had girls in their apartments so if authorities were to burst in they would always find at least one girl working there but likely two. Chances are they might even be able to catch at least one of them in the act.
I haven't heard anything about BTT or Virginia girls getting in trouble. I just asked two girls that I'm in touch with about this, and they haven't heard anything about that either. Nobody got detained, summoned, let alone deported. Not as far as I or anybody I asked know. Anyone heard anything about that?[/QUOTE]Because that wouldn't match the human trafficking narrative the special investigator tried to paint.
I been reading along and I just had to chip in to this discussion. I been a member here for a very long time and you can check my history I post occasionally or once in a while but I just don't like to waste peoples time reading nonsense. (But enjoy sometime reading everyone else). This is my experience from agency's for almost 10 years. I'm Chinese by the way.
I always try to build connections with the girls I see. The system is super different from from Korean agency vs Chinese agency. You can see the difference in terms of owners / bookers / girls etc. At the end of the day they just want money. Korean agency's are always busted because they take all types of clients (race). Chinese agency only takes Chinese because it's safer and they don't have to deal with all the bullshit. I want to say 100% but I won't because it probably isn't true but all these girls are not trafficked here from another country. These girls are here on a travel / work visa and they either go back when it expires and stay here even after the visa expires. I be paying for 90 minutes at BTT / MAAngel and end up doing it 1 time and the rest of the time just chatting it away. I made good connections with a lot of girls. I always ask about how long they been doing this and how is it usually run with the owner and stuff. They literally travel around the US and take breaks in between (most housed in LA). They choose their own schedule. One time I saw a girl from BTT and end up going to Vegas for work and at candylv saw the same girl (different name and different pictures). It caught me off guard. But you know during that time BTT never did BBFS but in LV the girl offered BBFS. The reason? Can't tell you but owners discretion? It's not like she was forced so clearly she had a choice. She hated BTT BTW she said long hrs and you cheap fucks always pay 1 hr and pushing it for 2 times. I hear that from a lot of BTT girls and that's the main complaint. If you guys remember Big tit Barbie doll Candy, we hit it off and I have her personal number. She talked about opening an agency but I don't think that happened. The main point of my comment here is girls do it because they need money and not because they are captured or trafficked to do it. I visited agency's all across US and Montreal and love what this hobby is. Right now I frequent BIE and Phoenix. I'm banned from Xiaomi because I had a lot of canceled appointments but the booker is a rude ass anyways. I can start a damn Reddit AMA and answer questions for days about my 10 years of experience. (30 yrs old right now).
[QUOTE=KOF96;6761260]Because that wouldn't match the human trafficking narrative the special investigator tried to paint.[/QUOTE]This. The narrative certainly is that the women were victims. Given the nature of the charges against the operators, I would be surprised to see any charges against the women.
[QUOTE=Nrlmus;6761086]I just got a text from one of maangels girls: "I heard the woman no problem". I guess that solves that.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=KOF96;6761260]Because that wouldn't match the human trafficking narrative the special investigator tried to paint.[/QUOTE]I suspect it was decided to pass on exercising 'shock and awe' on the working girls themselves. The authorities only politely knocked on the owner's residence and let the apartments where K-girls actually worked be. That's why they also got their hands on the client list. If they were to enter an apartment with girls there, they'd have no choice but to arrest them for prostitution.
BTW, the old timers may also remember the owner. She used to work at BTT few years ago and maybe even at BAD beforehand under the name Hanna.