The Woodshed

[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2579792]I saw this post after I wrote the one above and the only thing I will add to this is that LEO does understand these coded words, as you say; so even if you do use them, you might still be in hot water; Let me make this suggestion though. As I would think you are aware, usually if a girl does Greek, she is going to ask for more money for said service, be that $50 plus. Why is it not an option to limit your conversation prior to meeting the lady; take the additional money with you; wait till you guys are actually conducting biz then ask the question about Greek then. If she is LEO, trust me, NO BIZ whatsoever will ever get that far. As I said before, a LEO woman will try to get you to incriminate yourself wayyyy before that supposed biz. If the girl says (while biz is going on, like her finger in your arse) that she will for extra donation, then at least you know you're likely safe. Anyway, as I said, no back and forth; just thought I'd address this post. BTW, if you are legit, forgive me but if not, have a nice day! LOL.

Btw, you'd be surprised how many women don't even know these codes! Some are so dense, you almost have to spell the shet out for them to the point of being almost blatant. I've asked some, do you have a raincoat in case it rains and they literally think I'm talking about a darn raincoat for the weather! BP has many amateurs on it! So in short, don't think they all will know what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]

You are not dealing with the sharpest knives or brightest crayons in a box ya know! A lot of these girls constantly get arrested over and over again because they don't seem to have the best of intelligence or critical thinking. I have told girls to never discuss money and sex over the phone and they declare they understand; I leave, text them from another number making them think I'm another client and I ask them a sexually explicit question and you know what they do? They have this sexually explicit conversation even after you've warned them why it is dangerous! Go figure! I've had an undercover decoy ask me (for the recording for a judge and jury, obviously), "you did say over the telephone that you were interested in FULL SERVICE?" I paused and responded to her that she must have gotten me mixed up with someone else because I NEVER said that! You see, they are very aware of these codes so be careful! Always pause when they ask you a question; inventory the thoughts in your mind before they become words on your lips to determine if they are incriminating! I knew they were LEO because a week later I got a letter from them regarding the place I visited!

[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2579792]I saw this post after I wrote the one above and the only thing I will add to this is that LEO does understand these coded words, as you say; so even if you do use them, you might still be in hot water; Let me make this suggestion though. As I would think you are aware, usually if a girl does Greek, she is going to ask for more money for said service, be that $50 plus. Why is it not an option to limit your conversation prior to meeting the lady; take the additional money with you; wait till you guys are actually conducting biz then ask the question about Greek then. If she is LEO, trust me, NO BIZ whatsoever will ever get that far. As I said before, a LEO woman will try to get you to incriminate yourself wayyyy before that supposed biz. If the girl says (while biz is going on, like her finger in your arse) that she will for extra donation, then at least you know you're likely safe. Anyway, as I said, no back and forth; just thought I'd address this post. BTW, if you are legit, forgive me but if not, have a nice day! LOL.

Btw, you'd be surprised how many women don't even know these codes! Some are so dense, you almost have to spell the shet out for them to the point of being almost blatant. I've asked some, do you have a raincoat in case it rains and they literally think I'm talking about a darn raincoat for the weather! BP has many amateurs on it! So in short, don't think they all will know what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]Gentlemen, if you show up at an undercover sting operation having contacted someone working for JSO and you arrive at that location with money in hand 9 times out of ten their going to bust you no matter what was said / text. They'll let the cards fall where they may and see what hand you get dealt. If you happened to see the special on the undercover busts the Polk county sheriff was running last year, every man that showed up regardless of what was said was arrested. Granted a few had their charges dismissed but everyone was booked and charged! Thankfully the JSO hasn't decided to spend the money or resources on such ridiculous useless activities but that is not to say they won't. That is why this site is so important, it acts as a clearing house for information hopefully keeping us out of trouble. JD.

My approach is pretty simple. I never discuss sex. I'm not seeing them for sex. Repeat after me, I'm not seeing them for sex, because that is illegal.

I'm seeing them for time, companionship and, I tell them I'm ONLY looking for a massage, which is what I'm looking for. When they say they don't so massages then I say a body rub is OK. When they ask me if I want a HE, BJ, FS etc, I reply, I'm only looking for a massage / body rub. I never discuss sex because I'm not looking for sex. Repeat after me. I never discuss sex because I'm not looking for sex.

The ones that insist they do sexual favors etc etc are either too stoopid for me and / or vice. In either case, I end the conversation and move on.

Of course, what happens between two or more consenting adults in private is their business.

Be safe, have fun, move on.

[QUOTE=FearTheSpear;2579581]Can you please explain to me the scientific correlation between my post count & the number of reviews I have posted on here. To the validity of the what I stated?

Also, yeah, when it comes to my money. I've worked, grinded & hustled hard for it!! So my money does matter more than the provider. MONEY OVER BITCHEZ!! If I've worked for it. So do you! I am no ROOKIE to this game, just a rookie on this site, (I have plenty of revieIs on ThE otheR site! Look up JTE29). I don't mean any disrespect, but that's just the way the game is.[/QUOTE]Your statement is invalid because you have no credibility on THIS board. If you want to go to the other board and rage on them be my guest! But you're not, you're here!! Where your name holds NO weight!! And please. If it was really "money over bitches" then you wouldn't be spending your money ON bitches. ?! I'm done entertaining your ignorance, we will be seeing you in the mug-shots papers soon. Just wish I knew what you look like.

[QUOTE=JaxDog;2579878]Gentlemen, if you show up at an undercover sting operation having contacted someone working for JSO and you arrive at that location with money in hand 9 times out of ten their going to bust you no matter what was said / text. They'll let the cards fall where they may and see what hand you get dealt. If you happened to see the special on the undercover busts the Polk county sheriff was running last year, every man that showed up regardless of what was said was arrested. Granted a few had their charges dismissed but everyone was booked and charged! Thankfully the JSO hasn't decided to spend the money or resources on such ridiculous useless activities but that is not to say they won't. That is why this site is so important, it acts as a clearing house for information hopefully keeping us out of trouble. JD.[/QUOTE]Sure, they can be an azz and arrest you just for showing up but as I have pointed out, as long as you didn't have that sex and money discussion, the likelihood of dropped charges increases exponentially. As you mentioned, jso appears to have decided not to waste precious resources. Obviously it really does not mean they won't but if or when they do (hoping I'm not on receiving end of such), I'm out! Game over!

As JTM mentioned, I'm not having said discussion and if they insist, I walk!

I'm not sure what you do and with whom YR. In 30+ years I've NEVER had these questions and drama you describe here. This is supposed to be fun and extra enjoyment. I would hang it up if I had to go through all that, as I have a home unit the functions just fine.

My suggestion (again). Use good common sense, don't negotiate at all, keep it moving on unknown chicks and leave them for the rookies and most importantly STOP calling on providers that refuse to clearly layout their intent and information / rates regardless of their rationale for not doing so.

Capisce?

[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2579823]You are not dealing with the sharpest knives or brightest crayons in a box ya know! A lot of these girls constantly get arrested over and over again because they don't seem to have the best of intelligence or critical thinking. I have told girls to never discuss money and sex over the phone and they declare they understand; I leave, text them from another number making them think I'm another client and I ask them a sexually explicit question and you know what they do? They have this sexually explicit conversation even after you've warned them why it is dangerous! Go figure! I've had an undercover decoy ask me (for the recording for a judge and jury, obviously), "you did say over the telephone that you were interested in FULL SERVICE?" I paused and responded to her that she must have gotten me mixed up with someone else because I NEVER said that! You see, they are very aware of these codes so be careful! Always pause when they ask you a question; inventory the thoughts in your mind before they become words on your lips to determine if they are incriminating! I knew they were LEO because a week later I got a letter from them regarding the place I visited![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PTMonger;2580172]I'm not sure what you do and with whom YR. In 30+ years I've NEVER had these questions and drama you describe here. This is supposed to be fun and extra enjoyment. I would hang it up if I had to go through all that, as I have a home unit the functions just fine.

My suggestion (again). Use good common sense, don't negotiate at all, keep it moving on unknown chicks and leave them for the rookies and most importantly STOP calling on providers that refuse to clearly layout their intent and information / rates regardless of their rationale for not doing so.

?[/QUOTE]I don't need them to lay out anything for me. If I'm understanding you correctly, you seem to be saying they should lay out the details of our session and if they don't, I shouldn't see them. If this is what you are saying, again, I do absolutely positively disagree. I will never have this conversation with someone I'm not familiar with. As a matter of fact, I won't have a discussion of sex and money with someone I've seen before bcuz they might have just started working for LEO. Using common sense is a given but knowing and using the law is even better bcuz when you know the law, you then know how to avoid breaking the law- blatantly, that is.

As far as it being for enjoyment, that's fine and well, but with this enjoyment comes a lot of responsibility. One can enjoy and not be reckless and careless. This is the whole point of the discussion. It really is very simple, despite all the conversation surrounding this topic. It's not rocket science. This is what I capisce!

Also, not sure if you have thoroughly informed yourself on this discussion but it wasn't about providers not wanting to devulge information on rates and such. It's simply a discussion about how to not incriminate one's self while communicating with a provider. It keeps you and her safe. As far as drama or whatever you call it, what is being discussed here is pretty common so not sure who you're dealing with but most reviews I read has common variations of what's being discussed. I don't find it so unusual by any stretch.

A while ago, I had a conversation with Amazon goddess about what things to say and not say while dealing with new clients. Out of everything I told her and all the precautions I told her to take, this is how they (LEO) got her: She said a women called her wanting to know if she can service her husband because it was his birthday and she wanted to give him a birthday gift. She agreed and when she showed up, she said the wife (so-called) asked her if she could perform Greek (a coded word, mind you). She said yes to that request and this is how they got her. Using codes can jam you and obviously direct/blatant terms can get you as well. So getting a provider to lay out the details of her do's and don'ts is just not an option for me. I can find that out later like during the time I'm doing my biz with her. Some guys will ask a provider if she does Greek while he's actually in the process of doing her (NOT BEFORE!). This works well because no female vice decoy will EVER let you get this far. In fact, she won't even touch you; unlike male undercover decoys. They will get butt-naked and even get in the shower with the provider!

[QUOTE=JaxDog;2579878]Gentlemen, if you show up at an undercover sting operation having contacted someone working for JSO and you arrive at that location with money in hand 9 times out of ten their going to bust you no matter what was said / text. They'll let the cards fall where they may and see what hand you get dealt. If you happened to see the special on the undercover busts the Polk county sheriff was running last year, every man that showed up regardless of what was said was arrested. Granted a few had their charges dismissed but everyone was booked and charged! Thankfully the JSO hasn't decided to spend the money or resources on such ridiculous useless activities but that is not to say they won't. That is why this site is so important, it acts as a clearing house for information hopefully keeping us out of trouble. JD.[/QUOTE]And I am pretty sure they won't care about all the bible literature I have in my hand, cause I am just there to save those poor lost souls. Once you are arrested, you have lost. You can have a winnable case, but that won't get you off the wall of shame that gets published each month, it won't convince your SO that you are innocent, it won't get you ANY of the money back that you gave a lawyer to get you off.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;2580200]And I am pretty sure they won't care about all the bible literature I have in my hand, cause I am just there to save those poor lost souls. Once you are arrested, you have lost. You can have a winnable case, but that won't get you off the wall of shame that gets published each month, it won't convince your SO that you are innocent, it won't get you ANY of the money back that you gave a lawyer to get you off.[/QUOTE]But remember, anyone can be arrested and charged with a crime- anytime, any day, And anywhere. However the key is and what most employers are concerned about are convictions. This can adversely affect you for a lifetime. My whole point is, operate in such a manner that if you ever get in a jam, give your attorney something to fight for. If you blatantly broke the law, your attorney has an uphill battle but if you played your cards right, your chances for a favorable outcome increases. Remember, you can seal and subsequently expunged a criminal record as long as it's not a conviction. As long as it's a conviction, it remains for life and you're affected forever! I know most people rather not have this discussion because it tends to take out all the fun and excitement but let me tell you, there is an option to play responsibly. Remember, while you're being selfish and fulfilling your fleshly desires, if you ever got jammed, you are not the only one who is going to be affected. If you have a SO and kids, they too will be affected. Play safe but play responsibly!

As far as the things you may lose, well, the only thing I can say about that is, this is what YOU signed up for. You knew the risk coming into it so there are repercussions YOU MUST endure. If you're not willing to deal with the repercussions of YOUR ACTIONS, get out now!

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;2580200]And I am pretty sure they won't care about all the bible literature I have in my hand, cause I am just there to save those poor lost souls. Once you are arrested, you have lost. You can have a winnable case, but that won't get you off the wall of shame that gets published each month, it won't convince your SO that you are innocent, it won't get you ANY of the money back that you gave a lawyer to get you off.[/QUOTE]You hit the nail on the head, once your arrested you've lost, period, even if you get the charges dropped the record of your arrest will still be available for all to see who wish to look. JD.

[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2580195]I don't need them to lay out anything for me. If I'm understanding you correctly, you seem to be saying they should lay out the details of our session and if they don't, I shouldn't see them. If this is what you are saying, again, I do absolutely positively disagree. I will never have this conversation with someone I'm not familiar with. As a matter of fact, I won't have a discussion of sex and money with someone I've seen before bcuz they might have just started working for LEO. Using common sense is a given but knowing and using the law is even better bcuz when you know the law, you then know how to avoid breaking the law- blatantly, that is.

As far as it being for enjoyment, that's fine and well, but with this enjoyment comes a lot of responsibility. One can enjoy and not be reckless and careless. This is the whole point of the discussion. It really is very simple, despite all the conversation surrounding this topic. It's not rocket science. This is what I capisce!

Also, not sure if you have thoroughly informed yourself on this discussion but it wasn't about providers not wanting to devulge information on rates and such. It's simply a discussion about how to not incriminate one's self while communicating with a provider. It keeps you and her safe. As far as drama or whatever you call it, what is being discussed here is pretty common so not sure who you're dealing with but most reviews I read has common variations of what's being discussed. I don't find it so unusual by any stretch.[/QUOTE]And I'm done and will leave you gents to enjoy the banter. What I said and meant was, like PC many good providers have pages and sites that professionally layout the services provided and their expectations for both parties. The vast majority of those are reliable and easy enough to review or ask seasoned mongers here about, pretty simple. I can't tell you much about hunting CL / BP girls so, perhaps my comment wasn't germane to the main discussion anyway. Then again, some people just like talking behind their computer screen. I'm off for a 2:00 to get some ass guys. Enjoy.

PT.

[QUOTE=PTMonger;2580269]And I'm done and will leave you gents to enjoy the banter. What I said and meant was, like PC many good providers have pages and sites that professionally layout the services provided and their expectations for both parties. The vast majority of those are reliable and easy enough to review or ask seasoned mongers here about, pretty simple. I can't tell you much about hunting CL / BP girls so, perhaps my comment wasn't germane to the main discussion anyway. Then again, some people just like talking behind their computer screen. I'm off for a 2:00 to get some ass guys. Enjoy.

PT.[/QUOTE]

But as a general rule, I deal with all providers in the same manner. The more higher end providers will actually make you leave if you discuss service details. For example, Liz of Jax, she, at least use to, tell guys to place donation in a sealed envelope and do not discuss it or services. You know why she put that information in her ad? Because it took at least 2 arrests to open her eyes to the do's and don'ts when interacting with clients. It's not a matter of liking to talk behind a computer screen but more so a matter of educating one another about safety. In fact, this is the only venue I'd discuss such things due anonymity. But you know, if you have this discussion under the BP thread, guys will wine and complain about not discussing p-ssy; but then you discuss it under a more appropriate thread and they still complain! What gives!? Thanks for input though!

Btw, perhaps it's just me but even providers who have their services spelled out on a website, isn't it just as much incriminating for her and the one who contacts her? If LEO is aware of her website, along with her detailed services, and the amount she charges, to me, that's even more so incriminating. I don't see where there is any difference! My suggestion is when you contact a provider who has all that incriminating evidence on her website, you might want to mention in an email or text when communicating with her that you are interested in a "body rub." This way you can at least say you were interested in legal services (body rubs) versus illegal services-(Greek- anal). Some ladies even have the audacity to list the coded services and meanings; e.g. Greek: anal; BBBJ: bare back blow job! I don't get it!

[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2580272]But as a general rule, I deal with all providers in the same manner. The more higher end providers will actually make you leave if you discuss service details. For example, Liz of Jax, she, at least use to, tell guys to place donation in a sealed envelope and do not discuss it or services. You know why she put that information in her ad? Because it took at least 2 arrests to open her eyes to the do's and don'ts when interacting with clients. It's not a matter of liking to talk behind a computer screen but more so a matter of educating one another about safety. In fact, this is the only venue I'd discuss such things due anonymity. But you know, if you have this discussion under the BP thread, guys will wine and complain about not discussing p-ssy; but then you discuss it under a more appropriate thread and they still complain! What gives!? Thanks for input though!

Btw, perhaps it's just me but even providers who have their services spelled out on a website, isn't it just as much incriminating for her and the one who contacts her? If LEO is aware of her website, along with her detailed services, and the amount she charges, to me, that's even more so incriminating. I don't see where there is any difference! My suggestion is when you contact a provider who has all that incriminating evidence on her website, you might want to mention in an email or text when communicating with her that you are interested in a "body rub." This way you can at least say you were interested in legal services (body rubs) versus illegal services-(Greek- anal). Some ladies even have the audacity to list the coded services and meanings; e.g. Greek: anal; BBBJ: bare back blow job! I don't get it![/QUOTE]I had to up the data plan in my phone just to keep up. Just kidding I hacked the neighbor's wifi. LOL.

Much respect bro. But you IS long winded! Have you even slept?

It's good you try to educate the board but grown folks get stuck in their ways. So let them be.

[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2580272]But as a general rule, I deal with all providers in the same manner. The more higher end providers will actually make you leave if you discuss service details. For example, Liz of Jax, she, at least use to, tell guys to place donation in a sealed envelope and do not discuss it or services. You know why she put that information in her ad? Because it took at least 2 arrests to open her eyes to the do's and don'ts when interacting with clients. It's not a matter of liking to talk behind a computer screen but more so a matter of educating one another about safety. In fact, this is the only venue I'd discuss such things due anonymity. But you know, if you have this discussion under the BP thread, guys will wine and complain about not discussing p-ssy; but then you discuss it under a more appropriate thread and they still complain! What gives!? Thanks for input though!

Btw, perhaps it's just me but even providers who have their services spelled out on a website, isn't it just as much incriminating for her and the one who contacts her? If LEO is aware of her website, along with her detailed services, and the amount she charges, to me, that's even more so incriminating. I don't see where there is any difference! My suggestion is when you contact a provider who has all that incriminating evidence on her website, you might want to mention in an email or text when communicating with her that you are interested in a "body rub." This way you can at least say you were interested in legal services (body rubs) versus illegal services-(Greek- anal). Some ladies even have the audacity to list the coded services and meanings; e.g. Greek: anal; BBBJ: bare back blow job! I don't get it![/QUOTE]One suggestion I've seen a lot is to book the provider for nude modeling. It isn't illegal, and no female cop would ever agree to it. Just make sure you bring a camera, and don't carry any condoms on you.

The biggest problem regarding communication is that nobody trusts anyone in this equation. The client is afraid he won't get the services he wants. The provider is afraid she won't get her money. Both are worried about rip-offs or robberies or cops. There is no code that cops cannot figure out, because there is no code that you can trust all clients or providers to understand without having it explained to them.

The one that always boggles my mind are the ones who list rates as "roses". Who do they think they are fooling? What woman asks for roses, let alone 200 of them? Use something that a person might actually pick up for somebody on their way to hang out. Sodas, cigarettes, beers, lighters, packs of gum, donuts, Egg McMuffins, whatever.

Client: "Hey Provider, it's Client! Can I come by your place to hang out for an hour?

Provider: "Hey Client! My place is a little messy, give me 20 minutes. Can you pick me up two packs of Newports on the way?

Client: "No problem. Where are you staying again?

Clearly that is a one hour incall to take place in 20 minutes for $200. It doesn't work as easy if you aren't dealing with even hundreds (e. G. How would you do $120 or $180? Plus, the provider would have to be smart about it. Ask for things you actually need or use, keep them cheap & easy to get at all times of day, and mix things up so you don't wind up with 40 packs of gum or 30 lighters in your room.

But sooner or later, some moron client is going to show up thinking he is going to get laid for two bottles of Sprite.

[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2580272]But as a general rule, I deal with all providers in the same manner. The more higher end providers will actually make you leave if you discuss service details. For example, Liz of Jax, she, at least use to, tell guys to place donation in a sealed envelope and do not discuss it or services. You know why she put that information in her ad? Because it took at least 2 arrests to open her eyes to the do's and don'ts when interacting with clients. It's not a matter of liking to talk behind a computer screen but more so a matter of educating one another about safety. In fact, this is the only venue I'd discuss such things due anonymity. But you know, if you have this discussion under the BP thread, guys will wine and complain about not discussing p-ssy; but then you discuss it under a more appropriate thread and they still complain! What gives!? Thanks for input though!

Btw, perhaps it's just me but even providers who have their services spelled out on a website, isn't it just as much incriminating for her and the one who contacts her? If LEO is aware of her website, along with her detailed services, and the amount she charges, to me, that's even more so incriminating. I don't see where there is any difference! My suggestion is when you contact a provider who has all that incriminating evidence on her website, you might want to mention in an email or text when communicating with her that you are interested in a "body rub." This way you can at least say you were interested in legal services (body rubs) versus illegal services-(Greek- anal). Some ladies even have the audacity to list the coded services and meanings; e.g. Greek: anal; BBBJ: bare back blow job! I don't get it![/QUOTE]Perhaps it is because of the evidentiary difficulties in making a person personally liable for the material on a website, especially if the website servers are physically located beyond easy reach, but I don't think I've ever heard of a website being brought into evidence against a provider. It seems to be the personal communications that will get your ass snared. Or hers.

First time visits are always the most dangerous, & my nervousness almost always diminishes my enjoyment of first time visits. Yeah, there's a thrill to it but, well, no thanks. I'm too old & too vested in my non-hobby life to take any more chances with this nonsense than I absolutely have to. Research, vetting through reviews, referrals from trusted individuals, & sticking with tried & true providers are all ways I avoid having those incriminating conversations at all.