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[QUOTE=JoeySmth2;5783983]She's been mentioned recently. I saw her in Dec for an hour with 2 pops. A nice fleshy Latina, not fat but with some extra to hold on to. Great ass. Sane, safe, no obvious demons. Sweet and soft-spoken, please treat her with kindness.

Pics are real, although I believe the 2 on the left are a bit old. The 2 on the right are representative imo.

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I'm sure others have recommendations too but I would start with her.

Stay safe,

JS2.[/QUOTE]She looks good so might have to try her if nobody else chimes in. Yea I'm happy about the no demon part cause even seeing a slight hint of demons turns me off so much. I'm looking for a really good time so I hope she's that. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Deanage;5784305]What is GH? Can you post a link?.[/QUOTE]It's the abbreviation for a "Glory Hole".

[QUOTE=Deanage;5784373]After robbing me and then seeing the post where I described it, she responded angrily stating that I was trying to ruin her. She said she was getting out! Found it laughable then, too dumb and lazy to leave.

Lo and Behold- guess who is back? Might reach out as a goof.

[URL]https://hartford.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/will-b-available-after-8am-let/418116088800[/URL][/QUOTE]Yep. I recall that. Do you recall her name?

860 phone ends with 6986.

BMD.

[QUOTE=Avojo1;5780335]Hey guys, anyone ever try out the GH near the you of Hart Campus. She has a insta account that talks about it and setting it up but I'm not going to connect with her there. Wondering if anyone has tried her and it's safe. I did a GH google search for Hartford and she came up. Used to visit another woman closer to Albany Ave. But she since closed up her GH door. Used to be fun. Used to fuck her through the hole drop a 20 in the hole and leave. If anyone has this new girls info pm me please. I don't wish to connect via Instagram.

Avojo takin it slow.[/QUOTE]First off that's a guy hosting that Gloryhole second the photos the guy is using are stolen and the verification video is also stolen. The photos and videos that this guy is using are from cuckold wife based out of Texas.

I know all of this information because I use to follow the real person on social media. In fact the reason called the guy Gloryhole out on social media 2 years ago.

My advice if your looking for a GH with a woman on the other end join Fetlife and then join the CT Gloryhole group couples post discussion about when and where they are going.

Decided to visit Bree for a 2nd time last night. This time she directed me to her condo in downtown Hartford. Setup, once again was fast & easy. This time she confirmed that she had protection.

She met me at my car after I rolled in so no wait and off the street parking. She recently moved in and her place was a little messy but not too bad. She had a couch she told me to relax on and that's where all the action took place. BBJ was, again, fantastic with more than enough suction. On went the cover. She straddled me and sat on my cock. God damn she was tight and super wet. I really enjoyed her perky tits. She does allow kissing which I love. Trouble was, the condom was too small and restricted my blood flow enough to the point that I lost sensation. Removed the wrapper and we got into a 69 while she finished me off. This time I came in her mouth but she's not too fond of that. She didn't let it bother her though.

She was clean, didn't smell and damage was $150 HH donation. This time, no evidence of a handler and I may have been mistaken in my last report as there are other girls at that same hotel on the pike that may have had a dude waiting. Will most likely repeat but will bring ultra thin magnums next time!

[QUOTE=Hawg219;5782475]I'm surprised your visit went so well. I know her handler through other girls, very violent dude. Very large and muscular dude. One the biggest dealers in the area, almost every girl who post on STG goes to him for gifts. He runs and rotates girls between Manchester, Hartford, and the pike.[/QUOTE]I'd love to see him in prison.

[QUOTE=August2080;5784811]Decided to visit Bree for a 2nd time last night. This time she directed me to her condo in downtown Hartford. Setup, once again was fast & easy. This time she confirmed that she had protection.

She met me at my car after I rolled in so no wait and off the street parking. She recently moved in and her place was a little messy but not too bad. She had a couch she told me to relax on and that's where all the action took place. BBJ was, again, fantastic with more than enough suction. On went the cover. She straddled me and sat on my cock. God damn she was tight and super wet. I really enjoyed her perky tits. She does allow kissing which I love. Trouble was, the condom was too small and restricted my blood flow enough to the point that I lost sensation. Removed the wrapper and we got into a 69 while she finished me off. This time I came in her mouth but she's not too fond of that. She didn't let it bother her though.

She was clean, didn't smell and damage was $150 HH donation. This time, no evidence of a handler and I may have been mistaken in my last report as there are other girls at that same hotel on the pike that may have had a dude waiting. Will most likely repeat but will bring ultra thin magnums next time![/QUOTE]I've texted her like 10 times from different numbers and she never responds. What's her deal? Is she hard to get a hold of or something?

[QUOTE=BigMacDaddy;5784773]Yep. I recall that. Do you recall her name?

860 phone ends with 6986.

BMD.[/QUOTE]I think her name is (or she goes by) Samantha. I used to see her regularly in Manchester quite some time ago. She's always been good and reliable for me, but definitely a quick visit when needed, nothing more.

Somehow I'm not surprised to hear she's turned to ripping people off. She could actually do well if she tried, but I imagine bad decisions and demons are having a bigger say in her agenda.

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[QUOTE=BobDole313;5783683]I reached out a week ago and got no answer.[/QUOTE]First pic is of P.S. Emma Butt, 2nd pic belongs to Sage out of New Haven area.

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;5785108]I think her name is (or she goes by) Samantha. I used to see her regularly in Manchester quite some time ago. She's always been good and reliable for me, but definitely a quick visit when needed, nothing more.

Somehow I'm not surprised to hear she's turned to ripping people off. She could actually do well if she tried, but I imagine bad decisions and demons are having a bigger say in her agenda.

[url]https://hartford.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/will-b-available-after-8am-let/418116088800[/url][/QUOTE]I saw her bk in 2020,in Manchester behind the Dunkin' for a qv. Good head game. I tried several times after that but no response. . I agree with you about demon playing a huge role.

Has anyone seen this one before?.

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I've seen her ads for the past week or so up, she says she's in Southington. Couldn't find anything when I searched but she doesn't have a name listed.

[QUOTE=DJohnson555;5784707]She looks good so might have to try her if nobody else chimes in. Yea I'm happy about the no demon part cause even seeing a slight hint of demons turns me off so much. I'm looking for a really good time so I hope she's that. Thank you.[/QUOTE]Sorry very late reply.

But she is very reliable and good. She does use marijuana, but its a good stuff. I have seen what she uses or the one she used when I saw her.

It will be a worthwhile visit.

Enjoy if not already.

BMD, my friend, Bob Sacamano, saw Samantha twice when she was posting in the Southington area in 2018-19. She was cool, laid back, and gave little sacamano a great BBBJ on a car date. 2nd visit was a pick up and bring back to his apartment. Again, she was cool, and a great non rushed time, BBBJ, willing BBFS, but covered up. Gave her a ride to where she wanted to go in New Britain, and dropped her off. She dropped off for a while since then, but the saw her posting again in 21, and currently. Must have turned a corner and gone downhill with recent ripoff reports.

[QUOTE=BigMacDaddy;5784773]Yep. I recall that. Do you recall her name?

860 phone ends with 6986.

BMD.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DirkyDiggy;5786016]BMD, my friend, Bob Sacamano, saw Samantha twice when she was posting in the Southington area in 2018-19. She was cool, laid back, and gave little sacamano a great BBBJ on a car date. 2nd visit was a pick up and bring back to his apartment. Again, she was cool, and a great non rushed time, BBBJ, willing BBFS, but covered up. Gave her a ride to where she wanted to go in New Britain, and dropped her off. She dropped off for a while since then, but the saw her posting again in 21, and currently. Must have turned a corner and gone downhill with recent ripoff reports.[/QUOTE]Damn shame she went downhill man, or as they often do, bite the hand that feeds and then ultimately ruin a steady stream of quick, relatively reliable income from trusted and regular clientele all for a short term unearned payday. Such a waste, seriously a damn shame man. That little piggy had the body to go pro man! Had my eyes on that fat ass, those fat tits and thick figure for years, but never dropped the hammer when I should have. Oh well. Least I know she's a dodgy play at best now. That body though. Still has me rubbing my chin thinkin about it LOL. The ass unsmashed LOL. Sounds like she was a great piece back in the day too for quick, easy bustin and for as little as 60 qv at that. What a waste. Stupid sl*t LOL. Thanks for heads up gentlemen. On to the next!

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Inquired about this one a week ago I think. In that time, I scoured through this thread for mentions. Literally went back 600 pages LOL. Turns out there's older pics of her with some really serious signs of demons.

She doesn't seem to be using those pics in her current ads, however.

Link to an ad where here leg is covered in marks: [URL]https://sumosear.ch/images/webpage/big-booty-beautie/32329513[/URL]#&gid=1&pid=5.

Suffice to say, I won't be seeing this one. Which sucks, because that ass does look amazing.

-DL.

[QUOTE=BigMacDaddy;5784773]Yep. I recall that. Do you recall her name?

860 phone ends with 6986.

BMD.[/QUOTE]Samantha. She was in Manchester. Think is is from Southington.

[QUOTE=MeliKey123;5784965]I've texted her like 10 times from different numbers and she never responds. What's her deal? Is she hard to get a hold of or something?[/QUOTE]She did mention that she would be visiting with her nieces so maybe that's why she's been incommunicado. The two times I've met with her, the communication was fairly prompt. I would keep trying and you'll likely get ahold of her eventually.

[QUOTE=DecLoki;5786090][URL]https://sumosear.ch/images/webpage/big-booty-beautie/44455045[/URL]

Inquired about this one a week ago I think. In that time, I scoured through this thread for mentions. Literally went back 600 pages LOL. Turns out there's older pics of her with some really serious signs of demons.

She doesn't seem to be using those pics in her current ads, however.

Link to an ad where here leg is covered in marks: [URL]https://sumosear.ch/images/webpage/big-booty-beautie/32329513[/URL]#&gid=1&pid=5.

Suffice to say, I won't be seeing this one. Which sucks, because that ass does look amazing.

-DL.[/QUOTE]I've Seen her twice but I also know her from outside the hobby. She's gotten her life together the only demons that she does now is weed. However the service wasn't anything to write home about Covered BJ and Covered Full service. When I saw her both times I had to provide the Hotel room only because she was Under the radar at the time (wasnt posting on STG). But like I said She was nice girl and besides The price for service I might see her again but this time I might ask her for BBBJ.

Decided to visit the pair today in Windsor locks did the 2 girl! I have seen these 2 on numerous occasions but today was an extra special visit because it's my birthday so I splurged on myself. Decided to go all in with Greek with Steph and the BBFS for the 2 girl hour which ran me 500. Money well spent! Started out with Isabelle and Steph both on knees taking care of me. Switched to bed with me eating Isabelle while Steph deepthroated me with tons of tongue action also giving me the prostate massage. Both girls playing with each other making out and going down on each other. Had both on all fours going back and forth and Steph is very Greek friendly! Finished with Isabelle legs in air while I was on top of her. Can't get enough of her tight spinner body. Love that both girls have nipples pierced. Steph is a bit more vocal and can suck the life out of it but if spinners are your thing Isabelle fits the bill perfect. If your looking more for the girlfriend experience I would say Steph is a bit better with that and def more into the kissing than Isabelle. This is by far the best pair though as I have also visited Erin and Jenn together and didn't find them as attractive or as friendly as this pair. They are also demon free and it's clear. They are very friendly and just like your normal everyday girls. Wish they worked together more!

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[QUOTE=August2080;5786328]She did mention that she would be visiting with her nieces so maybe that's why she's been incommunicado. The two times I've met with her, the communication was fairly prompt. I would keep trying and you'll likely get ahold of her eventually.[/QUOTE]Is she usually out of apartments? Had bad experiences going to private residences. Def interested in seeing her. Does she provide bare?

[QUOTE=KinkyJack1972;5787166]Is she usually out of apartments? Had bad experiences going to private residences. Def interested in seeing her. Does she provide bare?[/QUOTE]The first time when I met her on the pike, she was all set to do bare after she gave me a bbj. I won't do that and asked her if she had condoms which she had forgotten. So it seems like she would be willing to.

Hartford. [URL]skipthegames.com[/URL]/ female-escorts / caucasian_w / eat-my-heart-out /715997596223.

Has anyone seen this girl before? I'm assuming she's new since I did a search on the number and the oldest add is from 2 weeks ago. Pictures look legit, though maybe I'm just too new at this.

I thought this one was legit since she had one prior good review and recently been posting with Marie who has had multiple reviews. Unfortunately this ended in a ghosting with response hours later giving some excuse. Communication was normal until crunch time. She provided a generic street in South Windsor. Told me to text her with 20 minutes left and she'll give me exact location. That's when communication stopped. Knew from experience this might not turn out well but already made it this far. Texted after arriving. Waited for 15 minutes and left to go about my day. Been in this game long enough to know how unreliable most these "providers" are, so already had back up plans in the area, which is a piece of advice to the newbs out there.

Hours later she texts me explaining she got stuck helping her sister. What a load of crap. She was playing games. If she was helping her sister, it was easy to tell someone with a simple text. She purposely makes you travel as long as you can before you confirm you were suckered. Do NOT give this one the time of day if you value yours.

[QUOTE=Jeep2013;5786429]I've Seen her twice but I also know her from outside the hobby. She's gotten her life together the only demons that she does now is weed. However the service wasn't anything to write home about Covered BJ and Covered Full service. When I saw her both times I had to provide the Hotel room only because she was Under the radar at the time (wasnt posting on STG). But like I said She was nice girl and besides The price for service I might see her again but this time I might ask her for BBBJ.[/QUOTE]Huh, well that kind of changes things. Was it recently that you saw her? I only ask because if it's been a while there's no telling if they gone back to practicing the dark arts. I have zero tolerance for it, weed and cigarettes are fine to me. Anything else is a no go.

[QUOTE=SkrapeGloat;5787363]Hartford. [URL]skipthegames.com[/URL]/ female-escorts / caucasian_w / eat-my-heart-out /715997596223.

Has anyone seen this girl before? I'm assuming she's new since I did a search on the number and the oldest add is from 2 weeks ago. Pictures look legit, though maybe I'm just too new at this.[/QUOTE]Do a search on her name, 'Allie'. There's plenty of info.

She is not new and has been around for years. Likely a no-go but read reviews and decide.

BMD.

I used to see her regularly but haven't heard back in a couple months. Anyone else been in touch?

Happy birthday! Great report. That shit will keep you young.

Later.

Vegas.

[QUOTE=KinkyJack1972;5787160]Decided to visit the pair today in Windsor locks did the 2 girl! I have seen these 2 on numerous occasions but today was an extra special visit because it's my birthday so I splurged on myself. Decided to go all in with Greek with Steph and the BBFS for the 2 girl hour which ran me 500. Money well spent! Started out with Isabelle and Steph both on knees taking care of me. Switched to bed with me eating Isabelle while Steph deepthroated me with tons of tongue action also giving me the prostate massage. Both girls playing with each other making out and going down on each other. Had both on all fours going back and forth and Steph is very Greek friendly! Finished with Isabelle legs in air while I was on top of her. Can't get enough of her tight spinner body. Love that both girls have nipples pierced. Steph is a bit more vocal and can suck the life out of it but if spinners are your thing Isabelle fits the bill perfect. If your looking more for the girlfriend experience I would say Steph is a bit better with that and def more into the kissing than Isabelle. This is by far the best pair though as I have also visited Erin and Jenn together and didn't find them as attractive or as friendly as this pair. They are also demon free and it's clear. They are very friendly and just like your normal everyday girls. Wish they worked together more!

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Does anyone has any experience with this 4791 number? There's quite a few ads for it that posted in the past few months, now the ad is showing a new girl. Anyone take the plunge or know what's going on?

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Ok this is an honest question. Has anyone ever gotten head from a totally toothless woman?

A few years ago one of my regulars lost one of her front teeth and I stopped seeing her because the head hurt. And I could feel the tooth.

The other day another provider ended up cutting me with her broken tooth or something. I suspect she lost a front one and didn't want me to see. In either case she was going turbo fast and I was doing my part and then I felt the cut. Within a few sec I could see the blood and its been a week and I'm still hurting and haven't used it since. But it got me thinking, I've gotten great head from plenty or chicks with normal teeth. Terrible experiences with a few missing. But what about if they were all missing.

I saw that Sammie in meridan definitely doesn't have any, but she's kinda gross all around. Anyone put there got anything on that?

[QUOTE=CaboWabo22;5787824]I used to see her regularly but haven't heard back in a couple months. Anyone else been in touch?[/QUOTE]I message her # whenever I'm in hartford area every 3 weeks or so, never a reply.

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Just left Jenn. Pierced tounge and nipples. Amazing head game. Have seen her before but took a few months off. She is my new go to next stop is a double with her and Erin. Check her out of you can.

[QUOTE=ThroatSmasher;5788545]Ok this is an honest question. Has anyone ever gotten head from a totally toothless woman?

A few years ago one of my regulars lost one of her front teeth and I stopped seeing her because the head hurt. And I could feel the tooth.

The other day another provider ended up cutting me with her broken tooth or something. I suspect she lost a front one and didn't want me to see. In either case she was going turbo fast and I was doing my part and then I felt the cut. Within a few sec I could see the blood and its been a week and I'm still hurting and haven't used it since. But it got me thinking, I've gotten great head from plenty or chicks with normal teeth. Terrible experiences with a few missing. But what about if they were all missing.

I saw that Sammie in meridan definitely doesn't have any, but she's kinda gross all around. Anyone put there got anything on that?[/QUOTE]Years ago I saw a older woman in New Britian giving $30 BJ. Made the trip and she had me standing. Before I knew it she slipped her teeth out, dropped to her knees and went to work. No shit busted in under 30 seconds. Unbelievable. Tried to repeat but schedules didn't line up then she moved to the western side of CT.

And one of my FB ended up loosing her teeth. While she was waiting she sucked me off. Pretty good.

[QUOTE=BoyWonder9;5789243]Years ago I saw a older woman in New Britian giving $30 BJ. Made the trip and she had me standing. Before I knew it she slipped her teeth out, dropped to her knees and went to work. No shit busted in under 30 seconds. Unbelievable. Tried to repeat but schedules didn't line up then she moved to the western side of CT.

And one of my FB ended up loosing her teeth. While she was waiting she sucked me off. Pretty good.[/QUOTE]There used to be a streetwalker up in Springfield, French girl, can't remember her name. But she had false teeth top and bottom and would ask if you wanted them taken out. Pretty dam good BBBJ and she'd swallow.

[QUOTE=ThroatSmasher;5788545]Ok this is an honest question. Has anyone ever gotten head from a totally toothless woman?

A few years ago one of my regulars lost one of her front teeth and I stopped seeing her because the head hurt. And I could feel the tooth.

The other day another provider ended up cutting me with her broken tooth or something. I suspect she lost a front one and didn't want me to see. In either case she was going turbo fast and I was doing my part and then I felt the cut. Within a few sec I could see the blood and its been a week and I'm still hurting and haven't used it since. But it got me thinking, I've gotten great head from plenty or chicks with normal teeth. Terrible experiences with a few missing. But what about if they were all missing.

I saw that Sammie in meridan definitely doesn't have any, but she's kinda gross all around. Anyone put there got anything on that?[/QUOTE]I picked up one near the wall at Washington Park (near PM) back around 1995 or so, no teeth. Young, too; no more than 25. She was skinny with tits like Dolly Parton. I couldn't make the one minute mark, it was unbelievable. She was going through my pants pockets while she did it, too bad for her, I never left anything for them to find, so I had her do another round after a trip to Mickey D's. Def. Marriage material LOL.

I'll add that all of these people are connected to a guy who's been in and out of the big house that goes by the name of Saint. Violent handler who runs all of these girls around Manchester, Hartford, New Britain, and the pike. Big muscular black dude, more of a light chocolate skin; tricked out Honda. He is the biggest debtor all of these girls owe money to and are forced to work off. To include the whole business with Dal Dahlia Allie back in December 2021. Do not ask about this guy. But just know that if you meet girl on STG that has signs of demons, 9 times of 10 she is involved with this man against their will. He's been in and out of prison, one of the most well supplied dealers in the state, and has made many girls disappeared. And he beats the shit out of these girls too. I'm close to a few who are UTR and one has gotten out of the game successfully, but I agree with the op, just know that these are the violent people we're dealing with.

Same here. I have been a regular for a while but haven't heard from her this year yet.

[QUOTE=CaboWabo22;5787824]I used to see her regularly but haven't heard back in a couple months. Anyone else been in touch?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ThroatSmasher;5788545]Ok this is an honest question. Has anyone ever gotten head from a totally toothless woman?

A few years ago one of my regulars lost one of her front teeth and I stopped seeing her because the head hurt. And I could feel the tooth.

The other day another provider ended up cutting me with her broken tooth or something. I suspect she lost a front one and didn't want me to see. In either case she was going turbo fast and I was doing my part and then I felt the cut. Within a few sec I could see the blood and its been a week and I'm still hurting and haven't used it since. But it got me thinking, I've gotten great head from plenty or chicks with normal teeth. Terrible experiences with a few missing. But what about if they were all missing.

I saw that Sammie in meridan definitely doesn't have any, but she's kinda gross all around. Anyone put there got anything on that?[/QUOTE]There was one who went by Jackie Blonde several years back. She had false teeth, and she'd remove them if she liked you. Not sure what ever happened to her. I think you have received enough responses to suggest that the no teeth experience should be a good one. Go for it with Sammie and report back!

[QUOTE=FlyBoarder1977;5789222]This girl Bree is being handled by a girl who goes by Kay and her dealer who goes by Slim. She is being controlled and made to do these dates because of money owed from her demons. Do not go to the apartment in Hartford on Congress St. And Don't go to a hotel because her handlers will be waiting in a car to watch you and possibly Rob you.

She is a personal friend from outside this business and has been living with me for the last 3 years when not being controlled to work by her demons and handlers.

The people running her have stolen clients vehicles and robbed people and she is not a person who will be straight with you. Her demons have left her with a gift from sharing needles and doing bare service with her is something you definitely shouldn't do unless you want a gift for yourself.

Stay away from Bree so she can get away from these handlers and get the help she needs.[/QUOTE]I agree with you 100%. She definitely has a pimp. I called her up and she wouldn't pick up the phone. But she had no problem texting me back. I accidentally sent her a picture of myself and my UTR girl. I get texts back asking me how old my girlfriend is and if she wants to work for him. LOL. WTF. And I was like what the hell?? So it was obviously the pimp texting me back. She refuses to talk to me which tells me that her pimp has control over phone.

Told myself I wouldn't try again, but the rave reviews from some of you kept me from keeping my word.

Had yet another communication / scheduling problem with her, resulting in another failed attempt. That brought me to probably 0 for 5 in attempts to meet with her. Like the previous time, there was an apology, but this time, we agreed to meet right then. Made my way up to her apartment and had the distinct experience of hearing her before seeing her. Wow, you guys aren't kidding about her gravelly voice. I was kind of freaked out but figured I had finally gotten this far, there's no turning back. When I finally saw her, I saw a petite MILF with a lot of energy, raring to go. She looks younger in the pics she posts, but to be fair, she does list 40 as her age. I wouldn't be surprised if she's closer to 45, but maybe that's the toll of alcohol and anything else she might have put in her system.

Anyway, I had the same experience as someone else who recently posted. She was voracious, couldn't seem to get enough. The waterfalls were as advertised, and the towels provided at the end of the session were much appreciated.

Definitely a good experience, but can't say for sure if I'm going to repeat. The scheduling issues are still annoying to me. As always, YMMV.

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