"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;4524895]She got a ride to my place tonight. The good is that she looks like her pics, and maybe a little slimmer. Mid to late 20's. The pussy is very tight, so if you got girth take it easy. The head game was ok, but she seems willing to please.

The bad s that she talks a lot. Keep her focused on the task at hand or she'll go off on a tangent.

Honestly she does not come across as your typical SB although her conversation says she wants something ongoing. Really not sure if I'll repeat, but as I sit here thinking about how tight she was, it will be hard not to repeat. My overall opinion is that she was just ok.[/QUOTE]Been talking with her, she is sporadic in returning text, and goes balistic if you don't respond immediately.

[QUOTE=GolfMan57;4528984]Been talking with her, she is sporadic in returning text, and goes balistic if you don't respond immediately.[/QUOTE]She got a little impatient with me once when I didn't return a text soon enough, then I told her I was busy at work and she was ok after that. IMHO she seems desperate for the cash and I tend to leave those ones alone. There's much better to be had out there, and I don't plan on repeating.

With the Hoidays fast approaching, I am ready to sign back up to SA again.

What's the prepaid card that works with SA the most? Any specific instructions on registering it and using it?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=TopGun9;4529414]With the Hoidays fast approaching, I am ready to sign back up to SA again.

What's the prepaid card that works with SA the most? Any specific instructions on registering it and using it?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Gee, this question has been asked and answered so many times it should get a prize for Most FAQ! It's not hard, don't make it hard:

1. Get a OneVanilla gift card. They have Visa and MasterCard versions, sold at CVS, Walmart and probably lots of other places. They all work just fine. Get the kind you add value to once when you buy it, not the loadable ones.

2. Go to OneVanilla website and register a zip code for the card. Any zip code.

3. Use on SA to pay your dues. Use same zip code you registered.

4. Any leftover value you can use for gas or just about anything. With the Visa or MasterCard logo they are good just about everywhere. Gas is good because you can use the unround number value left over down to the cent.

5. You are in charge of answering the question for the next guy, which should happen in about 15 minutes.

[QUOTE=Josephr9999;4521950]Ok guys, I'm in the midwest but you guys rock the sugar world. I'm in a relatively small (think 100 k) city so there's not a ton of options but enough to keep a guy satisfied. I've had two dinner dates with my latest prospect. She's open to everything. The next date should seal the deal. Last date we discussed the allowance. She said when she studied abroad in Korea she was paid 400,000 which is the USD equivalent about 350 ppm. I'm used to 100 - maybe 150. I pay more in Vegas for one and done, and remember this is small city rates. This girl is a hot little latina and wants (or so she says) an exclusive arrangement. She has expensive tastes, although I picked the restaurants. Dinner was 150 each date. I don't provide any gift until the drilling begins. I didn't give her an amount but she's hinting at 3. 3 per week simply is not in my budget. Typically I'm at 100 plus an occasional small bonus plus dinners plus a vacation together (think Vegas). She doesn't have a car and has 5 roommates so her options are a bit limited as well. I'd like to retain this one if possible (and if the bedroom activity is good). How would you guys approach this for a guy on a limited budget but willing to spend on mutual fun in addition to a modest allowance?[/QUOTE]So I had another dinner date with her last week, similar to the others. Didn't have much discussion about allowance other than I told her I was providing 100 ppm in the past but also provided occasional other assistance and paid for vacations, really nice restaurants etc. Her response wasn't enthusiastic but more so she needed to process what that meant for her. We planned a quick lunch date the next day since I was in town. I wasn't expecting a full allowance discussion since it was just lunch and time was limited. We had lunch the next day and as I dropped her off she said she wanted 200 because of past arrangements, what she needed to alleviate her financial burdens blah blah blah etc etc. I said I was at the 100 for my reasons stated. She back pedaled a bit on the vacations and other gifts, saying her schedule was tough to do that anyways and she preferred a higher set amount and no extras. I replied that the trips and extra gifts are important to me because then I know the girl isn't seeing me just for my wallet but also appreciates the other money I spend on her. She asked if she could think about it, kissed me goodbye and left. I saw her back on SA immediately and again the next day so I figured I knew her answer was going to be no. So, I texted her the next day and suggested that our budget wasn't very far apart. It's more a matter of where and how it is spent and we should have a one-on-one discussion about it not in public and not in my car. So, I invited her to my place and said I'd bring her home the next morning unless we couldn't come to an agreement which then I'd bring her home that same evening. She thought that was a great idea so we made plans for last night at my place. She doesn't have a car, so I had to pick her up and drive her to my place (40 minutes each way). Everything went well, we had dinner together and then talked. She wanted 2. I wanted 1 plus extras. I told her I'd provided a little more in the past arrangements if someone else was doing the driving but it is a bit inconvenient to have to transport her back and forth. She wasn't budging. I offered 150 to meet half way. She still wasn't budging but we finally agreed on 175. I figured I'd sample her a few times and if the arrangement was not what the potential looked, I'd just end it down the road and she could do the same. I'm the type that would do the extra stuff for her anyways if things were going well in the long run. The evening was going perfectly, we finished a bottle of vino and set some parameters for an arrangement along with public and bedroom ground rules. She wanted exclusive too. We seemed to really click. Like better than 90% of women I've dated certainly on SA but also my own age. We got to the bedroom and went at the foreplay rather passionately and once I got between her thighs and gave her a light tongue swipe she pulled back and freaked out. She got hit by an anxiety attack and went cold. Tears, the whole bit. I backed off, didn't even try to talk her through it. She said she left her anxiety med at home and just wanted to go home to settle down. She was texting madly with some friend that keeps tabs on her. I suspected a BF or something. So after getting dressed I asked her downstairs if she had a BF. She said no, won't date guys due to their immaturity and lack of honesty which is why she was on SA. It was now after midnight so I asked her if her friend would meet us half way so I didn't have to drive there and back for 90 minutes since I was pretty tired. She texted the friend and said her friend was unable to do so. Some friend I'm thinking. Ok, if you need to go home I will bring you because I'm a man of my word and our arrangement was such that I would keep you safe. The 40 minute ride to her place was dead silent other than me offering her a sip off my water bottle. When she got out of the car, she said thank you and I replied "you're welcome" and that was it. I doubt I'll ever hear from her again.

What a disappointing ending. Finally found one that I clicked with after 5 dates on a different level than all the other girls and it appeared the sex was going to be epic as well only to crash and burn a foot from the finish line. My biggest disappointment is the amount I spent on the dates leading up but I still had fun and made out with a hot young coed and the law of averages probably caught up with me. At least I hadn't given her any cash yet. I made plans today with another SB I met last week. She's coming to my place for dinner and cuddling. The allowance will be a lot less, if any except she's not near as hot as my little Latina. Back to the random pump and dumps for awhile I guess. Beats being married.

[QUOTE=Josephr9999;4530532]We seemed to really click. [/QUOTE]A different take - She just got nicer and nicer given that you were spending tons of money (food etc.) and time on her without her having to put out for real. And as soon as she was in the position to put out, walla, anxiety attack and cannot do it. She telegraphed this end by negotiating ad nauseum. This was about getting cold hard cash from you, not being an SB.

She is the long play version of a scam, as I suspect she went home with the 175. If an SB is not able to commit to pussy access at the meet and greet (there is only one M&G by the way), I am out because the chances of her doing so later goes to nearly zero. Never experienced that myself, but having RTFF other seniors have made that clear. Sorry about the end, but it was predictable.

[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;4530564]

She is the long play version of a scam, as I suspect she went home with the 175. If an SB is not able to commit to pussy access at the meet and greet (there is only one M&G by the way), I am out because the chances of her doing so later goes to nearly zero. Never experienced that myself, but having RTFF other seniors have made that clear. Sorry about the end, but it was predictable.[/QUOTE]Nope, she did not go home with 175. She went home with nothing. I'm hardly new to the game. This one was a bit unique which was why I asked for opinions here last week on how to handle her knowing our allowance amount was different. I had made abundantly clear to her no allowance til the pussy flowed. She agreed to an overnight after the 3rd date, said we could get a hotel room too. The 4th date was a simple lunch is all. I don't think she's a scammer nor a rinser looking for free dinners. She knew the score and neither of us was new to the game, it became a little bit of cat and mouse with the amount. My home is outside of town, dead end road, looks like a man-cave. I think her anxiety just got to her and was overwhelmed. Shit, she was ripping her clothes off and was bare-ass naked like a freak with me going down on her and all of a sudden she flipped. Just not stable without meds I guess.

[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;4530564]A different take - She just got nicer and nicer given that you were spending tons of money (food etc.) and time on her without her having to put out for real. And as soon as she was in the position to put out, walla, anxiety attack and cannot do it. She telegraphed this end by negotiating ad nauseum. This was about getting cold hard cash from you, not being an SB.

She is the long play version of a scam, as I suspect she went home with the 175. If an SB is not able to commit to pussy access at the meet and greet (there is only one M&G by the way), I am out because the chances of her doing so later goes to nearly zero. Never experienced that myself, but having RTFF other seniors have made that clear. Sorry about the end, but it was predictable.[/QUOTE]I came to a similar conclusion; reading about the negotiation of back and forth I thought that she would never agree to anything.

Without judging the approach, I don't talk about trips, vacations, etc. To any female of the age which I desire; they either have not enough time, or are not that interested in my company, or they would prefer to go someplace I would not, e. G. DisneyWorld in Orlando.

If the "baby" is not that interested in my company, that's OK; they like cash. "You've won a trip worth $1000!" (The Price is Right) would interest few girls I have known that are broke and like the idea of being paid for paying attention to my dick.

My severely limited "baby" experience in S. Florida indicated to me that the time available to spend with me was fleeting and so I had to make the best of it, and so did she (cash).

My "baby" went once out of town with me on a little "road trip" and she didn't want to linger in the town, just get back. At least I got some action for the motel rent which was fine.

They want cash, clothes, shoes, bills paid, and don't even care about eating out usually.

I have noticed from the 2 "babies" I hung around in S. Florida that all have expectations which are unrealistic but that's OK; so do I maybe.

The two babies both approached me and I did not pursue them; I didn't text them to talk about anything because I didn't know if they would use the text against me in some way. I said "talk to me on the phone or in person. ".

The man is the prize; your money is the gold inside the prize package. If they don't seem that interested in pursuing the meet with you, it's unlikely to be satisfactory to either.

[QUOTE=Josephr9999;4530753]Nope, she did not go home with 175. She went home with nothing. I'm hardly new to the game. This one was a bit unique which was why I asked for opinions here last week on how to handle her knowing our allowance amount was different. I had made abundantly clear to her no allowance til the pussy flowed. She agreed to an overnight after the 3rd date, said we could get a hotel room too. The 4th date was a simple lunch is all. I don't think she's a scammer nor a rinser looking for free dinners. She knew the score and neither of us was new to the game, it became a little bit of cat and mouse with the amount. My home is outside of town, dead end road, looks like a man-cave. I think her anxiety just got to her and was overwhelmed. Shit, she was ripping her clothes off and was bare-ass naked like a freak with me going down on her and all of a sudden she flipped. Just not stable without meds I guess.[/QUOTE]Glad to hear that she left with nothing. However, notice the outcome. She never put out, yet you still spent some $400+ on her already. All the clothes off and stuff really means nothing, as she nipped everything in the bud last minute because she was never going through with it. All the rest is show.

Her hope was that you would feel sorry for her and cave, thereby giving her the 175 even though you got zero pussy. Of course she would think that given you already spent over $400 without getting into her pants. I highly suspect the clothes off part etc. was not part of the plan and she got in over her head. Explains the texting to a "friend" also. The friend was directing the show / running cover and she lost control.

Sticking to your guns and not parting with the money were good moves. Do not be fooled by the theatrics. I suspect you will not hear from her because the game is up. If she really wanted to be an SB, she knows where a consistent 175 is waiting for her. But alas, she would have to actually put out for that and that is not part of her plan. If she is a real SB, she would take her anti-anxiety medicine, calm down, and then come back. I would be surprised if that happened.

[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;4530978]Glad to hear that she left with nothing. However, notice the outcome. She never put out, yet you still spent some $400+ on her already. All the clothes off and stuff really means nothing, as she nipped everything in the bud last minute because she was never going through with it. All the rest is show.

Her hope was that you would feel sorry for her and cave, thereby giving her the 175 even though you got zero pussy. Of course she would think that given you already spent over $400 without getting into her pants. I highly suspect the clothes off part etc. was not part of the plan and she got in over her head. Explains the texting to a "friend" also. The friend was directing the show / running cover and she lost control.

Sticking to your guns and not parting with the money were good moves. Do not be fooled by the theatrics. I suspect you will not hear from her because the game is up. If she really wanted to be an SB, she knows where a consistent 175 is waiting for her. But alas, she would have to actually put out for that and that is not part of her plan. If she is a real SB, she would take her anti-anxiety medicine, calm down, and then come back. I would be surprised if that happened.[/QUOTE]Your summary is the likely scenario. I think she has a willingness to put out. For her price. I flat out told her during our negotiation that if she really wants more money, she may be able to find someone willing to give her 300 but he's likely to be a lot older, fat, ugly, not fun, and controlling. I'm decent looking and in reasonably good shape and treat people respectfully. She agreed and said she just couldn't do it that way with an ugly fat guy. However, actions speak louder than words and she flaked. The odd thing is that she was naked in my bed with no lifeline for miles. A wise girl would have given up the pussy and walked with the 175 then ghosted me. Been there done that too. Typically that's what the super hot ones do until they find something better. She knew by flaking I wasn't going to give her a dime. Why not walk with the cash anyways?

My membership on SA expired a few days ago but I did see her online last night. Today when I look at our messages on the site her pic is gray but her screenname is still there and it says "Unable to send a message as user is no longer active". Other girls in my message list have their pic grayed out but the screen name says "Sugar Baby" and below it says "The user's account has been deactivated". Anyone know what the difference is here? If she blocked me, then she was a good actor. If she has gone on hiatus perhaps the anxiety thing was real. I'm moving on anyways as tonight I have another SB cumming over for a 2nd date. She picked the location (my place).

[QUOTE=Josephr9999;4530532]What a disappointing ending. Finally found one that I clicked with after 5 dates on a different level than all the other girls and it appeared the sex was going to be epic as well only to crash and burn a foot from the finish line. My biggest disappointment is the amount I spent on the dates leading up but I still had fun and made out with a hot young coed and the law of averages probably caught up with me. At least I hadn't given her any cash yet. I made plans today with another SB I met last week. She's coming to my place for dinner and cuddling. The allowance will be a lot less, if any except she's not near as hot as my little Latina. Back to the random pump and dumps for awhile I guess. Beats being married.[/QUOTE]Not judging as it doesn't sound like you regret how you handled it too much and sort of seem to have gotten some enjoyment out of all that wining and dining you did, and everyone has different aspects of this hobby they like.

However I think you could have handled this very differently, I think both in getting her successfully to the FC, and saving yourself time and money. Sounds like you're out over 500 in meals, not to mention all the driving you did and time spent.

First, avoid dinner, especially expensive ones. Lunches, cocktails, coffee, etc accomplishes all the same stuff for an initial M&G in terms of seeing if you're interested and laying some game on them. I've had countless meetings where I knew immediately I didn't even want to go to the FC, the idea of being out almost an entire FC allowance each time that happens pains me. If you really like them and enjoy that stuff, do it AFTER you know you like them. The girls that insist on that for the M&G, are almost always going to be rinsers or the princess type (which I avoid like the plague when I do this).

Second, I know it seems like more dates and social meetings makes them more into it and comfortable, I think it's often the reverse. Move quickly in every way, to the M&G to the FC, everything. Time is your enemy in this game for a host of reasons but if you have a newbie on the line the last thing you want to do is give her time to overthink it. If you're 4 or 5 dates in and nothing's happened, it's not going to.

Lastly, you way overnegotiated the allowance. She wanted 200, if that was within your abilities to do, then say yes. It's hardly an unreasonable request, and allowances can always be renegotiated later. The first time they do it with you is the toughest decision for them, if she was enjoying it you could have gotten her down later very easily. Also, as was mentioned by someone earlier, 99% of them do not care about those extras. Most will appreciate the gestures when done for them but it's not what they value, not why they're doing this especially at the outset. I use that sometimes as part of my pitch, but not as an allowance negotiation tool. You ended up in this hard, business-like, adversarial negotiation with her that in the end would've saved you 25 a meet. You spent five times that on each of the dinners you paid for. And it doesn't make sense, but going from something with a 2 in front of it to a 1 can impact their feelings about it. Same reason retailers price ending in 99 cents.

Not meant to lecture, but maybe give some thoughts on what to do differently. Good luck.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;4531469] You ended up in this hard, business-like, adversarial negotiation with her that in the end would've saved you 25 a meet. You spent five times that on each of the dinners you paid for. And it doesn't make sense, but going from something with a 2 in front of it to a 1 can impact their feelings about it. Same reason retailers price ending in 99 cents.

Not meant to lecture, but maybe give some thoughts on what to do differently. Good luck.[/QUOTE]She was at 2 and I was at one. I asked her to meed in the middle at 150. She said she really wanted 2 and the lowest she'd go is 175 so that's where it ended. Hindsight is 20/20 I should have agreed to the 200 then ghosted or whatever. Sometimes daddy has to demonstrate that baby has to give in a little after daddy has demonstrated his willingness to spend. The 25 wasn't about 25 - it was about gaining some power back in my corner and not giving her everything she wanted.

Really worth not getting the pussy over to gain power that you don't have in the first place. They got the pussy, they got the power and they negotiate how they see fit that is worth it to them.

[QUOTE=Josephr9999;4531477]She was at 2 and I was at one. I asked her to meed in the middle at 150. She said she really wanted 2 and the lowest she'd go is 175 so that's where it ended. Hindsight is 20/20 I should have agreed to the 200 then ghosted or whatever. Sometimes daddy has to demonstrate that baby has to give in a little after daddy has demonstrated his willingness to spend. The 25 wasn't about 25 - it was about gaining some power back in my corner and not giving her everything she wanted.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=BStreet;4531620]Really worth not getting the pussy over to gain power that you don't have in the first place. They got the pussy, they got the power and they negotiate how they see fit that is worth it to them..[/QUOTE]I disagree. Guys have the money and the power with all the women that are on Seeking to choose from. She may see the reverse from her point and just wait until the next guy without game to come by and pay her the full amount she wants. Move on to the next one that you see online.

[QUOTE=BStreet;4531620]Really worth not getting the pussy over to gain power that you don't have in the first place. They got the pussy, they got the power and they negotiate how they see fit that is worth it to them.

.[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm spamming adding another two cents; the entire transaction is delicate because once she gets pissed off what good can happen later? Surely there is not going to be any GFE after she feels "disappointed" in her little mind.

They sometimes aren't doing this because they like you or even like sex; they like the money.

I don't know the solution; in my limited experience I wasn't asked a figure by the "babies" I found in S. Florida and $100 was fine with them evidently.

When I met a couple of girls on Back Page before I found the "babies" I knew the amount and didn't try to haggle it down.

Hooker girls sometimes have GPS and that's that; they're not really into sex with strange men and want a lot of $ to do it. The ones who actually seem to like it are not unreasonable.

The huge problem is sorting the wheat from the chaff; horny girls who like fucking with random men and will like it with you are out there but you don't always find them first.

[QUOTE=BStreet;4531620]Really worth not getting the pussy over to gain power that you don't have in the first place. They got the pussy, they got the power and they negotiate how they see fit that is worth it to them.

.[/QUOTE]How about the SB not getting any money just to gain power that they don't have in the first place? SD has the money, the power to spend it and SD negotiates how he sees fit that is worth to him.

As far as negotiations I've always felt you can go up but never down. I just didn't see a girl going from 200 down to 150 or 100 etc after a month or so of dates. Maybe I'm wrong. I truly think there's more than the money issue here. She loves fancy dinners, we discussed that and I told her we'd still do that but it wouldn't be 3 x in a week as this week was an anomaly in my schedule. She had a sure thing with a guy she had been out with 4 other times. We had open discussions about terms just hadn't discussed the financial part in detail until the other night. I think she was overwhelmed by the situation and just freaked. She wasn't initially intending to stay the night after we agreed on the amount, and when I told her it was a deal breaker for me she went back to my text and realized she misinterpreted it. I told her I was going upstairs and she was free to decide what she wanted to do. It put some pressure on her but it was time to either show or go. I wasn't interested in driving her home in the middle of the night 90 minutes round trip and I made that clear if we had an arrangement it would have to be a weekly overnight at my place. Two minutes later she went upstairs looking for me while ripping off her clothes, laughing, giggling etc.

While I can see I'm trying to rationalize behavior of an irrational 21 year old I think the money factor would have been only a small contributor to her flaking. Certainly pay anyone a large sum and the legs will spread quickly no questions asked. The one thing I've learned in this game is to be the holder of the power so you each get what you want. I hold the money and she holds the pussy. It must be win-win for both parties.

[QUOTE=BStreet;4531620]Really worth not getting the pussy over to gain power that you don't have in the first place. They got the pussy, they got the power and they negotiate how they see fit that is worth it to them.

.[/QUOTE]There's nothing, and I mean nothing that dries a girl's puss more in this world than a desperate, pussy-begging guy with no options. Learn to make yourself the prize and never ever put a girl in charge of anything. She doesn't like the terms? Tough luck toots, there's the door. It's true if you're in a stable relationship or in the sugar bowl. The person that can't walk away has no power at all. BE THE PRIZE.

There is power on both sides as we have the money, they have the pussy, but for that small amount of $25 to me was not worth trying to gain power in this particular situation. She may have still flaked even if you gave her the $200 right off the bat, but again you had said you both got along great and in the end trying to prove power over $25 seems kind of mute. In most cases to these girls the prize is the money, not the Sugar Daddy, oh we can be charming, great in bed, be a mentor, blah, blah but we are not the prize, the money for the most part to most of these girls is the PRIZE! Doesn't mean you give them what they want as many are GPS and I walk away from those too, but when it gets down to $25 or even some cases $50, if you want it and that's what it takes, then get it, cause that in turn will turn them off as well in thinking they are not worth that little bit more.

[QUOTE=Josephr9999;4531830]How about the SB not getting any money just to gain power that they don't have in the first place? SD has the money, the power to spend it and SD negotiates how he sees fit that is worth to him.

As far as negotiations I've always felt you can go up but never down. I just didn't see a girl going from 200 down to 150 or 100 etc after a month or so of dates. Maybe I'm wrong. I truly think there's more than the money issue here. She loves fancy dinners, we discussed that and I told her we'd still do that but it wouldn't be 3 x in a week as this week was an anomaly in my schedule. She had a sure thing with a guy she had been out with 4 other times. We had open discussions about terms just hadn't discussed the financial part in detail until the other night. I think she was overwhelmed by the situation and just freaked. She wasn't initially intending to stay the night after we agreed on the amount, and when I told her it was a deal breaker for me she went back to my text and realized she misinterpreted it. I told her I was going upstairs and she was free to decide what she wanted to do. It put some pressure on her but it was time to either show or go. I wasn't interested in driving her home in the middle of the night 90 minutes round trip and I made that clear if we had an arrangement it would have to be a weekly overnight at my place. Two minutes later she went upstairs looking for me while ripping off her clothes, laughing, giggling etc.

While I can see I'm trying to rationalize behavior of an irrational 21 year old I think the money factor would have been only a small contributor to her flaking. Certainly pay anyone a large sum and the legs will spread quickly no questions asked. The one thing I've learned in this game is to be the holder of the power so you each get what you want. I hold the money and she holds the pussy. It must be win-win for both parties.[/QUOTE]

Just wrapped up a trip to Richmond. I met a girl off of SA on my visit. Her name is Phoebe. We met in my hotel bar. Had a light snack and a few drinks, good conversation. She looked gorgeous, to say the least. I've attached a few photos she sent me.

After some time getting to know each other, I politely asked if she would like to relax in my room. With a smile, she said she was wondering when I would ask. Upstairs we went.

We relaxed to something on tv. More small talk, then some making out, then clothes started coming off. As the photos show, she has an amazing body. I won't go into too many graphic details, but we pretty much ran the gamut of positions and ways to please each other. Once I was spent (felt like she could have kept going), we curled up for a bit, making more small talk. I had an early morning, think she realized it when I yawned. She thanked me for a wonderful evening and said we would have to do it again when I'm in town. I emphatically agreed. I discretely slipped her 4 bills. In hindsight, it was worth it. Normally I try to go a bit below that, 4 is my max. But for the time getting to know each other, and the close to two hours of fun, and cuddle time afterwards, I really didn't feel bad about the amount.

As I was writing this, she said that she had a bad encounter with a guy on the site, so she took down her profile for a bit. Might repost it after some time. If she does, I'll add the link. She's still open to meeting though. I told her I might know some cool guys. So if you are a senior member, reach out to me, she's a fun one.

[QUOTE=Unassuming2018;4532186]Just wrapped up a trip to Richmond. I met a girl off of SA on my visit. Her name is Phoebe. We met in my hotel bar. Had a light snack and a few drinks, good conversation. She looked gorgeous, to say the least. I've attached a few photos she sent me.

After some time getting to know each other, I politely asked if she would like to relax in my room. With a smile, she said she was wondering when I would ask. Upstairs we went.

We relaxed to something on tv. More small talk, then some making out, then clothes started coming off. As the photos show, she has an amazing body. I won't go into too many graphic details, but we pretty much ran the gamut of positions and ways to please each other. Once I was spent (felt like she could have kept going), we curled up for a bit, making more small talk. I had an early morning, think she realized it when I yawned. She thanked me for a wonderful evening and said we would have to do it again when I'm in town. I emphatically agreed. I discretely slipped her 4 bills. In hindsight, it was worth it. Normally I try to go a bit below that, 4 is my max. But for the time getting to know each other, and the close to two hours of fun, and cuddle time afterwards, I really didn't feel bad about the amount.

As I was writing this, she said that she had a bad encounter with a guy on the site, so she took down her profile for a bit. Might repost it after some time. If she does, I'll add the link. She's still open to meeting though. I told her I might know some cool guys. So if you are a senior member, reach out to me, she's a fun one.[/QUOTE]I love that kind of female, sounds great.

I'm curious; did she have an occupation, or was she a student, or was she an UTR using SA to find guys?

Either way it sounds like a good time.

I have spend $250 on a long involved date with a civilian which was much less fun than yours.

[QUOTE=Josephr9999;4531830]As far as negotiations I've always felt you can go up but never down. I just didn't see a girl going from 200 down to 150 or 100 etc after a month or so of dates. Maybe I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]Yes, you are wrong. Just like any other girl, if an SB actually likes you, it becomes less about the money. Some even feel bad about the money after a few dates and want to give it to you free. I highly suspect you are choosing girls who are way more UTR escorts and free food types than true SBs.

We are clearly choosing different types of girls because my SBs have never complained about $ and never entered any negotiations like you seem to get into. In fact, it was I who brought up the $, not them. At this point, I am also sure I could meet them and get it free if I wanted, but I pay to keep the relationship dynamics clear.

Wants a partial allowance before meeting but is willing to send pics and videos in the meantime. As if. It took a little squeezing, but she finally decided she wants 350-400 per meet or 650 monthly for a meeting that lasts as long as I want. She can host. The fact she went straight to the partial allowance says scam to me because she pretty much agreed to everything else.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7f89a827-ee25-4e06-8f49-a8ebba8d3d6f[/URL]

[QUOTE=Hal1957;4532555]Wants a partial allowance before meeting but is willing to send pics and videos in the meantime. As if. It took a little squeezing, but she finally decided she wants 350-400 per meet or 650 monthly for a meeting that lasts as long as I want. She can host. The fact she went straight to the partial allowance says scam to me because she pretty much agreed to everything else.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7f89a827-ee25-4e06-8f49-a8ebba8d3d6f[/URL][/QUOTE]I'd say your instincts are spot on. Pics and vids are always a scam. Even if it's not, why pay for something you don't want. Because guys almost always say "F off" to pic sellers, they got more sophisticated and came up with that BS about help me get comfortable by buying them, or tide me over until we can meet. Even if that person is within 200 miles of you (doubtful) you're never going to meet them. The illusion of a real arrangement is the carrot to get you in to those worthless pics. I used to go back and forth and say no but I'll meet you right now in person and help out with cash and try to convince them, but that never worked one single time, obviously b / c they weren't real or in the area. But since scams have become so prevalent on there, anytime a girl even mentions advances, pics, cash app, any of that stuff, I block them and move on. Saves a ton of time and focuses you on the legit POTs.

Always like this site to post to. Great info on this thread.

So I have a regular I see out of town, mid to late 40's divorced MILF that is a lot of fun. She is petite and very good looking, great little body, perfect ass and nice natural tits. GFE, loves oral as much as I do both giving and receiving. Always a hot time in bed. Only thing she has not done yet is BBFS. Which I have not pushed but we shall see. Since we have a good relationship, I ask her questions from time to time about her experiences on the site and try to get feedback on what she sees.

So she tells me she has a friend who she recently talked to about the site and apparently she convinced the friend to join. Divorced woman with kids, rent was due, and she has been struggling a bit, blah blah who knows, but apparently she is gorgeous. And if my SB says that. You can bet it's true. So immediately all I can think of is when is she going to join us for fun and if not, what is her number. LOL. Anyway, fast forward and she is on the site now and apparently has two dates a week since joining, apparently with two different SD's and loves it! I have to get her number!

Best part of the story, she apparently has a boyfriend of some kind and now my SB tells me she wants to get rid of him and thinks this is a lot more fun and obviously more profitable. Must have figured out she was giving it out for free so why not make a buck?

I think this word of mouth interaction between SB's and their friends is feeding the sugar bowl with new faces who probably would never have thought of doing this or that they would enjoy the ride. Bad news for civilian daters. Much less free pussy moving forward as SD's are moving to the front of the line. Just more SB's for us to sort through on the site I guess and I think the pool of potential SB's can only continue to increase in size – has to be a good thing for us? And as I always reiterate. You need $$$ to play this game if you want real success and I don't mean crazy amounts of money $150 ppm is not typically a hot lady and this space.

By the way, not sure about others here, but do you all now look at almost every younger hotter woman younger as a potential SB? Because I do it all the time. I travel a lot and can't get through an airport without looking around and always asking the question, could she be SB material. Guess I have to start asking.

[QUOTE=Reman3289;4533202]Always like this site to post to. Great info on this thread.

By the way, not sure about others here, but do you all now look at almost every younger hotter woman younger as a potential SB? Because I do it all the time. I travel a lot and can't get through an airport without looking around and always asking the question, could she be SB material. Guess I have to start asking.[/QUOTE]Good post.

I travel a lot on business, and am always looking at people in airports. It's more interesting than staring at the news on the tv monitors.

I always see potential or real SBs in the terminal. They are carrying real (or fake) designer bags, wearing sexy shoes and clothing, and acting like they are only a few weeks away from becoming famous. These women are desperate for attention and fame. And for the money required to obtain attention and fame. I chat them up when the opportunity presents. Often, those conversations convert into something more.

It doesn't take much money to get their attention. Just play the game. Let them know how special they are, and what you can do for them.

That's all they really care about. What you can do for them. Or what they think you can do. In return, they will gladly suck dick or fuck you.

Go into it with a game plan. Maybe have some fake business cards printed up, and a burner phone number ready to give them. If they think you head up the accounting department for Instagram, they will do just about anything to get with the people you know. Make it believable, and not something they can easily look up online. It's believable that an accountant doesn't have a social media presence. It's not believable that a talent scout for Victoria's Secret doesn't have one.

Told me same; says she got screwed by a guy who forgot his wallet at dinner and she had to pay, then another guy who strung her along for weeks and then canceled on meeting. Wanted $150 for pics / videos, then 200 when we meet.

[QUOTE=Hal1957;4532555]Wants a partial allowance before meeting but is willing to send pics and videos in the meantime. As if. It took a little squeezing, but she finally decided she wants 350-400 per meet or 650 monthly for a meeting that lasts as long as I want. She can host. The fact she went straight to the partial allowance says scam to me because she pretty much agreed to everything else.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7f89a827-ee25-4e06-8f49-a8ebba8d3d6f[/URL][/QUOTE].

I didn't get into too much details on work, but she said she works in customer service. I didn't get the pro vibe from her. It was very relaxed, no rush at all. I'm looking forward to the next time for sure.

[QUOTE=Dash;4532379]I love that kind of female, sounds great.

I'm curious; did she have an occupation, or was she a student, or was she an UTR using SA to find guys?

Either way it sounds like a good time.

I have spend $250 on a long involved date with a civilian which was much less fun than yours.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Reman3289;4533202]Always like this site to post to. Great info on this thread.

So I have a regular I see out of town, mid to late 40's divorced MILF that is a lot of fun. She is petite and very good looking, great little body, perfect ass and nice natural tits. GFE, loves oral as much as I do both giving and receiving. Always a hot time in bed. Only thing she has not done yet is BBFS. Which I have not pushed but we shall see. Since we have a good relationship, I ask her questions from time to time about her experiences on the site and try to get feedback on what she sees.

So she tells me she has a friend who she recently talked to about the site and apparently she convinced the friend to join. Divorced woman with kids, rent was due, and she has been struggling a bit, blah blah who knows, but apparently she is gorgeous. And if my SB says that. You can bet it's true. So immediately all I can think of is when is she going to join us for fun and if not, what is her number. LOL. Anyway, fast forward and she is on the site now and apparently has two dates a week since joining, apparently with two different SD's and loves it! I have to get her number!

Best part of the story, she apparently has a boyfriend of some kind and now my SB tells me she wants to get rid of him and thinks this is a lot more fun and obviously more profitable. Must have figured out she was giving it out for free so why not make a buck?

I think this word of mouth interaction between SB's and their friends is feeding the sugar bowl with new faces who probably would never have thought of doing this or that they would enjoy the ride. Bad news for civilian daters. Much less free pussy moving forward as SD's are moving to the front of the line. Just more SB's for us to sort through on the site I guess and I think the pool of potential SB's can only continue to increase in size has to be a good thing for us? And as I always reiterate. You need $$$ to play this game if you want real success and I don't mean crazy amounts of money $150 ppm is not typically a hot lady and this space.

By the way, not sure about others here, but do you all now look at almost every younger hotter woman younger as a potential SB? Because I do it all the time. I travel a lot and can't get through an airport without looking around and always asking the question, could she be SB material. Guess I have to start asking.[/QUOTE]Word of mouth definitely feeds the sugar bowl but I've found there are a couple caveats to it.

Are the women being honest about A.) The amount they are receiving and B.) Who are they receiving it from.

I talk to my "SB's" all the time and while they're typically younger, they're looking to me for honest feedback about a lot of things and I tend to get the same from them. They tell me all the time that they have friends on the site (They've even called me out for trying to see their friends but its whatever) that aren't having great experiences because they just can't convince themselves to fuck the older men that are approaching them and the ones they would consider end up being one and dones. So there is that part.

I don't see it as really hurting civilian daters much because there's just so many women that can't wrap their minds around the money in exchange for sex until their expenses stack up and it becomes a real option. Also 150/ ppm definitely gets you hot quality women without the baby baggage.

I browse mostly 19-29 age group and wait for a reaction. The ones who respond to that simple act are either actively working or searching. Move them to text or kik and you'll get the vibe right away. The searchers want validation and will often suggest the first meet. Nudge the conversation towards the FC gently and it will happen. These are the girls who will accept anything you offer because they need the validation, not the money. Just be careful of clingers. If you're single, roll with it. It will eventually cool off and then you go back to the bowl.

[QUOTE=Reman3289;4533202]Always like this site to post to. Great info on this thread.

So I have a regular I see out of town, mid to late 40's divorced MILF that is a lot of fun. She is petite and very good looking, great little body, perfect ass and nice natural tits. GFE, loves oral as much as I do both giving and receiving. Always a hot time in bed. Only thing she has not done yet is BBFS. Which I have not pushed but we shall see. Since we have a good relationship, I ask her questions from time to time about her experiences on the site and try to get feedback on what she sees.

So she tells me she has a friend who she recently talked to about the site and apparently she convinced the friend to join. Divorced woman with kids, rent was due, and she has been struggling a bit, blah blah who knows, but apparently she is gorgeous. And if my SB says that. You can bet it's true. So immediately all I can think of is when is she going to join us for fun and if not, what is her number. LOL. Anyway, fast forward and she is on the site now and apparently has two dates a week since joining, apparently with two different SD's and loves it! I have to get her number![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Reman3289;4533202]
By the way, not sure about others here, but do you all now look at almost every younger hotter woman younger as a potential SB? Because I do it all the time. I travel a lot and can't get through an airport without looking around and always asking the question, could she be SB material. Guess I have to start asking.[/QUOTE]Saw one college student barista at a coffee shop I started going to. After chatting with her a little, the next time I left a small envelope on the counter with her name on it. Inside was a $25 GC to the grocery store near campus and a note that said "I think you are gorgeous. Check out [URL]seeking.com[/URL] and if you are interested text me at XXXXX".

Never heard from her, but figured it was worth a flier.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4534032]Saw one college student barista at a coffee shop I started going to. After chatting with her a little, the next time I left a small envelope on the counter with her name on it. Inside was a $25 GC to the grocery store near campus and a note that said "I think you are gorgeous. Check out [URL]seeking.com[/URL] and if you are interested text me at XXXXX".

Never heard from her, but figured it was worth a flier.[/QUOTE]Smart move. I'm consistently looking for SB's in public. It works less than a 10% rate but when they work, they're amazing. Baristas, waitresses, etc are all ones I normally attempt with. Most successful in person attempt was with a CVS clerk. I always picked up my SA gift card from her and since we normally had decent conversations at 9 am with no one around, I asked if she ever got curious why I come in for the GC's and she basically handed the P over that evening over drinks.

Keep your eyes open fellas.

[QUOTE=BookerTNelson;4533888]Word of mouth definitely feeds the sugar bowl but I've found there are a couple caveats to it.

Are the women being honest about A.) The amount they are receiving and B.) Who are they receiving it from.

I talk to my "SB's" all the time and while they're typically younger, they're looking to me for honest feedback about a lot of things and I tend to get the same from them. They tell me all the time that they have friends on the site (They've even called me out for trying to see their friends but its whatever) that aren't having great experiences because they just can't convince themselves to fuck the older men that are approaching them and the ones they would consider end up being one and dones. So there is that part.

I don't see it as really hurting civilian daters much because there's just so many women that can't wrap their minds around the money in exchange for sex until their expenses stack up and it becomes a real option. Also 150/ ppm definitely gets you hot quality women without the baby baggage.[/QUOTE]This is a great topic.

First off, not-at-all. All girls lie about how much they've gotten in the past, what they did for it, and how many guys they've seen. It's one of those universal truths.

Your second part is the really interesting part. The interpersonal dynamics side of things. It's no different than any other dating scene and there's monumental amounts of delusion going on. On any dating site most girls are going after a small percentage of desirable guys. It's true for the girls that are 8 and 9 who have a chance at those higher level guys but it's also true for the 4, 5 and 6. The bottom rung girls all have experience with banging a guy way out of their league because DUH!, we're guys. Those girls never had a chance in hell to retain a quality guy but every single one of them likes to think they could of (why not, he had sex with me!). Desirable guys OR guys that pay a lot on SA (think 400-500) will have a wide selection to chose from and they won't be happy until they've sampled all the girls they can. Why? Because DUH!, we're guys.

Now from the girl's perspective, for the life of her, she can't understand why that hot guy OR the $400 guy ghosted her after the first bang (on SA money raises a guy's overall appeal). To do so she would have to admit that she's just an average girl. Of which there are hundreds more just like her on the site. She'd have to admit that she's just not that special and that's a tough pill to swallow. So, in the end it's the guy's fault (if you're new here, it's always the guy's fault) for using her and dumping her and men are assholes anyway (why isn't he calling me!).

Just understand what's going on and don't let it affect you in the least. Girls have the toughest time understanding that one and done is his way of telling you he's way above your league. One thing that girls on SA would greatly benefit from understanding is that if they do find or negotiate that guy up to those 400 or 500 levels, that the higher the amount is, the more likely it's going to be a pump and dump and she'll have to start all over again. I haven't run across many girls who understand that they'd be way better off with a $150 every week from the same guy (don't have to look for a new SD) than $500 every 2 or 3 months and constantly be looking for that next guy. The sugar forums are filled with re-enforcing those bad decisions. Spoiler: it's girls giving other girls advice so you know it's circular thinking at its finest.

Fortunately I'm past the point of trying to reason with a girl. Let them learn the same lesson over and over and over.

Viva the bowl!

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4534141]This is a great topic.

First off, not-at-all. All girls lie about how much they've gotten in the past, what they did for it, and how many guys they've seen. It's one of those universal truths.

Your second part is the really interesting part. The interpersonal dynamics side of things. It's no different than any other dating scene and there's monumental amounts of delusion going on. On any dating site most girls are going after a small percentage of desirable guys. It's true for the girls that are 8 and 9 who have a chance at those higher level guys but it's also true for the 4, 5 and 6. The bottom rung girls all have experience with banging a guy way out of their league because DUH!, we're guys. Those girls never had a chance in hell to retain a quality guy but every single one of them likes to think they could of (why not, he had sex with me!). Desirable guys OR guys that pay a lot on SA (think 400-500) will have a wide selection to chose from and they won't be happy until they've sampled all the girls they can. Why? Because DUH!, we're guys.

Now from the girl's perspective, for the life of her, she can't understand why that hot guy OR the $400 guy ghosted her after the first bang (on SA money raises a guy's overall appeal). To do so she would have to admit that she's just an average girl. Of which there are hundreds more just like her on the site. She'd have to admit that she's just not that special and that's a tough pill to swallow. So, in the end it's the guy's fault (if you're new here, it's always the guy's fault) for using her and dumping her and men are assholes anyway (why isn't he calling me!).

Just understand what's going on and don't let it affect you in the least. Girls have the toughest time understanding that one and done is his way of telling you he's way above your league. One thing that girls on SA would greatly benefit from understanding is that if they do find or negotiate that guy up to those 400 or 500 levels, that the higher the amount is, the more likely it's going to be a pump and dump and she'll have to start all over again. I haven't run across many girls who understand that they'd be way better off with a $150 every week from the same guy (don't have to look for a new SD) than $500 every 2 or 3 months and constantly be looking for that next guy. The sugar forums are filled with re-enforcing those bad decisions. Spoiler: it's girls giving other girls advice so you know it's circular thinking at its finest.

Fortunately I'm past the point of trying to reason with a girl. Let them learn the same lesson over and over and over.

Viva the bowl![/QUOTE]This is a nice topic we've bumped into.

Those questions were mostly rhetorical and yes they all lie. Shit, I've banged friends that told each other they didn't know me and they tell each other crazy amounts lmao.

Also yes the higher the "allowance" the higher the chance that it'll be a pump and dump and for many reasons. The thing chicks don't realize is that for those amounts, they have to be phenomenal in bed or amazingly hot. And even then, I may just want a sample to see what it is like. Most consistent babies are in the 150 and under range. They hear from me frequently and we have a good time, they also get introduced to other things and get some of that "mentoring" that all of them mention in their profiles but never seek.

Happy hunting folks.

I'm from another area but this discussion is interesting. I have some limited sugar baby experience in S. Florida, but she was not online, I met her socially.

All girls sooner or later figure out that they can be paid for something they like to do; some take the plunge and many more don't.

The one I met was very pretty and 21 the first time I saw her naked; she didn't ask for any specific amount of money, I just gave her a Benjamin and she was very happy.

Some tidbits: she treated me at first as a boyfriend and introduced me to her hot sister among others. When she texted me that she was broke I would remind her if she saw me in person she would have the money she needed. It was clear that she was sometimes unwilling to actually fuck for money or give head for money even though she desperately wanted money. I believe she had a boyfriend but she would look for me when she was pissed off at him.

One time I met her friend with her and we went to Dunkin donuts; the friend was 36 and not as hot, a chubby girl. I ended up fucking her too but I gave her only a Grant because she wasn't hot and I didn't care if she stopped seeing me. She would come up on her day off during the week. So, it's clear "there's no trust among thieves. " I have not told baby #1 about screwing her chubby friend.

My mind is now warped; every time I see a young attractive girl in any McJob I think to myself "what would she do for $150? ; $200? ".

In S. Florida this is more acceptable and common; I think now in northern California I must exercise caution making any suggestion to a female.

I have had a card with just my name, phone and email for years which I keep ready for any lucky encounter.

My younger friend in S. Florida met a cute girl working at a fast food joint; a day later she was blowing him in his car in the parking lot on her break for $20. He later screwed her for $40 at her place; he doesn't like her personality so he says he's not going to repeat; I wonder.

I think Seeking Arrangement is making it easier for girls to sell pussy and be less afraid, so I'm going to try it as soon as my houseguest goes home.

[QUOTE=BookerTNelson;4534078]Smart move. I'm consistently looking for SB's in public. It works less than a 10% rate but when they work, they're amazing. Baristas, waitresses, etc are all ones I normally attempt with. Most successful in person attempt was with a CVS clerk. I always picked up my SA gift card from her and since we normally had decent conversations at 9 am with no one around, I asked if she ever got curious why I come in for the GC's and she basically handed the P over that evening over drinks.

Keep your eyes open fellas.[/QUOTE]So when you asked her if she got curious about gift card what did you tell her and what had her willing to drop her pants that night?

[QUOTE=Dash;4534213]I'm from another area but this discussion is interesting. I have some limited sugar baby experience in S. Florida, but she was not online, I met her socially.

My mind is now warped; every time I see a young attractive girl in any McJob I think to myself "what would she do for $150? ; $200? ".

In S. Florida this is more acceptable and common; I think now in northern California I must exercise caution making any suggestion to a female.

I have had a card with just my name, phone and email for years which I keep ready for any lucky encounter.

I think Seeking Arrangement is making it easier for girls to sell pussy and be less afraid, so I'm going to try it as soon as my houseguest goes home.[/QUOTE]I also had this happen when I first got into the bowl. Every girl you see on the street (and I work on a college campus, so the supply is vast) looks like a POT to me now. And, there are lots of girls who I find interesting targets, w / a variety of attractions. I never fish off the company pier, however. That's career suicide, and a way to be found out. I also have a SO I am concerned about.

I heard the best recommendation on this site concerning how to approach a POT in public. Obviously, it is always better to have had a positive interaction with them, but not essential. Anyway, take a sugar packet (you're in a cafe or restaurant, right?) and write your burner # on it, and your sugar name. Give it to her and say something appropriate, like 'there's a lot more sugar where this came from', and there is zero doubt she'll understand your point. Not having a pre-made business card is no problem, and no risk of having my SO ask why I have it (w / my sugar name! LOL).

[QUOTE=Dash;4534213]I

My younger friend in S. Florida met a cute girl working at a fast food joint; a day later she was blowing him in his car in the parking lot on her break for $20. He later screwed her for $40 at her place; he doesn't like her personality so he says he's not going to repeat; I wonder.

.[/QUOTE]That right there is your ticket buddy.

If you have the time and the game, go recruit locally. Girls working minimum wage at restaurants, retail stores, McD, DD, etc. You can have them for way cheaper than the SA girls and much less mileage. Without the hassle of spending countless hours working through the fakes, scams, and pros on SA. Girls on SA are already there to sell pussies, to the highest bidders.

If you can, go work on those McD, DD, and BK girls. 100 to them is a lot of cash, and being treated well by a nice older guy is a bonus.

[QUOTE=Dash;4534213]

My mind is now warped; every time I see a young attractive girl in any McJob I think to myself "what would she do for $150? ; $200? ".

[/QUOTE]Snipped out the rest to highlight this. THIS is how I now see every girl, [B]especially [/B]those in the mid to low tier service industries (although even the higher tiers are suspect to me). I travel quite a bit and it just seems like shooting fish in a barrel to get these girls to fuck. They've pretty much left behind the idea that there's a connection between being a hooker and getting a couple of bills to bang an older dude. I like this new reality.

Of course, this is why I fully funded my daughter's education and living expenses. Didn't want her needing money in this environment with you animals out there.

[blue]No offence meant to your daughter but I'm betting a lot of these chicks have both real dads and sugar dads paying the bills. When they want a new Louis Vuitton bag sucking a little dick for it seems a small price to pay.

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[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4534484]I also had this happen when I first got into the bowl. Every girl you see on the street (and I work on a college campus, so the supply is vast) looks like a POT to me now. And, there are lots of girls who I find interesting targets, w / a variety of attractions. I never fish off the company pier, however. That's career suicide, and a way to be found out. I also have a SO I am concerned about.

I heard the best recommendation on this site concerning how to approach a POT in public. Obviously, it is always better to have had a positive interaction with them, but not essential. Anyway, take a sugar packet (you're in a cafe or restaurant, right?) and write your burner # on it, and your sugar name. Give it to her and say something appropriate, like 'there's a lot more sugar where this came from', and there is zero doubt she'll understand your point. Not having a pre-made business card is no problem, and no risk of having my SO ask why I have it (w / my sugar name! LOL).[/QUOTE]No matter how you do it, free-styling is an excellent way to find new talent.

Most every girl knows about sugaring, but many are afraid to take the leap and join Seeking. They all know about the site, and probably know or have heard of someone who did it.

If you can give them a gentle nudge, they will likely take the leap.

By propositioning them, you are also stroking their ego. That's the fastest way into a girl's pants.

Watch the movie Shopgirl. It's a great example of how to free-style a SB.

[QUOTE=TechSticles;4534773] a lot of these chicks have both real dads and sugar dads paying the bills. When they want a new Louis Vuitton bag sucking a little dick for it seems a small price to pay.
[/QUOTE]I encounter those girls on SA all the time.

Mom and dad aren't going to buy them the LV bag, but they need it and other stuff for their Instagram pics.

It's the same reason why so many 20-somethings bought tickets to the Fyre Festival.

If you can tap into that need in a SB, you're set. They will suck a mile of dick to look good on social media.

I often ask SBs where they would like to go to get the best food or seating / view pics for dinner. They almost always take me up on it, and spend more time taking pics than eating food. They love rooftop restaurants.