"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2126398]After a very successful start I chalk up to beginners luck, I've ran into some real lack lusters lately, but this one takes the cake. Emailed a girl on SA a week or so ago, she send one back tonight just as I'm about to call it a night. She wants to meet. She's only 25 miles away from me so I figure what the heck. We text back and forth and I was very specific with details. She agrees to them and confirmed she was "very open minded" and had no issues with being intimate. She even said since she only had a few hours, we could just mess around in the car. (she lives in a rural area.) So I pick her up at he corner store by her house. She is hot. A solid 8, super petite, blonde spinner. She is another one of these girls with tats and piercings, so 'm already red flagged about this one. We drive and she tells me where we can go park. I'm thinking out in the bushes someplace private. Well she guides me to freaking Walmart. So I started figuring out she was not going to be messing around. So due to the time limits, I just come out with it and cut right to the chase and ask her if she was still open for sex like we discussed over texting. She plays dumb, like she is confused and she just thought we were meeting for talking in the car. Than she start looking at her phone and saying she needs to be home soon. Literally ten minutes after I pick her up. I said, fine, I'll take you home and tell her again that I did not feel the agreed amount was warranted as we did nothing. She starts in with how a SD has to prove himself and should pay the girl before sex and so on. We drove back to the area I picked her up and she is acting like she is kinda pissed. So to avoid a problem, I pull out my wallet and offer up half of the $ $ we agreed on over texting. I did this to avoid any issues. She offers me a hug and jumps out. She was in my car all of 19 minutes.

I had no intentions of seeing this girl again, but I text her just to call her bluff. Sure enough she ignores me and half hour later she's back on SA.

I was mostly mad at myself and for the time wasted, not the $ I was out.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a set up of one kind or another, none of which would have resulted in a happy ending for you. No pun intended. Others will disagree but I would have thrown her some sacrificial green as well. Just to end the date and move on. Fortunately you'll never know what would have happened if you had tossed her out of your car with nothing.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2126452]Here is what she texted me.

This is a big deal for me. I want to be able to google you and your name and face show up. That's all I want.

Hahaha yes. You can find me on google. I think my twitter is the first link. But can I still verify you?

Then.

This is a big deal for me. I want to be able to google you and your name and face show up. That's all I want.

Before I drive an hour for a police sting.

She kept on going and finally says, All I want to see is a work bio. I won't google anything else. I'm not asking for much.[/QUOTE]God, then my answer to her would be easy: "Sweetheart sugar babying is not illegal. I'm paying for companionship only. I can't help it if we find each other irresistible and sex happens ".

Honestly though my interest in her would have waned the moment she said she was worried about a police sting, because it revealed her as a UTR or possibly back page girl rather than an SB. An true SB doesn't have police sting in her vocabulary.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2126697]God, then my answer to her would be easy: "Sweetheart sugar babying is not illegal. I'm paying for companionship only. I can't help it if we find each other irresistible and sex happens ".

Honestly though my interest in her would have waned the moment she said she was worried about a police sting, because it revealed her as a UTR or possibly back page girl rather than an SB. An true SB doesn't have police sting in her vocabulary.[/QUOTE]Thank JL, Tidad, HW for helping me and guiding me through this. I am glad I didn't reveal anything. I am going to pass. As it is too much txting now.

The blogs tell the girls to confirm who you are going out with so they can tell a friend where they are and who they are with. Perhaps a reasonable request, what we would tell our daughters about a blind date. But for us married guys this will not work. It never ceases to amaze me what some of these girls will risk for the almighty dollar.

A Story: I had a M&G out of town with a 20 something. The deal was if we enjoyed dinner we would proceed to her house and spend the night. We did and I followed her home out in the deep woods, no neighbors within 2 miles. We prepared for bed and I had my travel bag with me containing candles, and other sex accouterments. She was under the covers naked with her eyes wide open and said "please don't kill me in the night, you're not a CL Killer are you? I'm thinking "WTF?" But seriously, she knew nothing about me. Fortunately for her she got a nice ride and a good nights sleep on my shoulder and survived the night. These girls do take stupid risks.

A Pot I am scheduled to see tomorrow wants a pic and I am reluctant to send her one since I don't want anything on the web with my real Pic. I'm not sure I will send her one.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2126740]Thank JL, Tidad, HW for helping me and guiding me through this. I am glad I didn't reveal anything. I am going to pass. As it is too much txting now.[/QUOTE]I learned this long ago about women. It's the information they have on you that they swear the absolute very most they will NEVER use against you, that they will always use first when they are jaded. You can never be too guarded with these situations. When a woman becomes angry, she goes right for the nukes in an emotional rage and anything she has on you, will be the very first thing she uses.

When I was involved in my four year affair that I had hid from both my mistress and wife at the time, I purchased an investment house three years earlier into the relationship. When the house was vacant after purchase, I thought it would be a nice convenient place to bring my mistress to for a random night of sex. I didn't even think she paid attention to where the home was. During our breakup, three years later, she showed up at the front door of that home pounding on the front door demanding my tenants tell her where I was at. Scary shit! I was blown away that she had even remembered that random night and blown away even more that she went back to that house we had only been at once!

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2126791]I learned this long ago about women. It's the information they have on you that they swear the absolute very most they will NEVER use against you, that they will always use first when they are jaded. You can never be too guarded with these situations. When a woman becomes angry, she goes right for the nukes in an emotional rage and anything she has on you, will be the very first thing she uses.

When I was involved in my four year affair that I had hid from both my mistress and wife at the time, I purchased an investment house three years earlier into the relationship. When the house was vacant after purchase, I thought it would be a nice convenient place to bring my mistress to for a random night of sex. I didn't even think she paid attention to where the home was. During our breakup, three years later, she showed up at the front door of that home pounding on the front door demanding my tenants tell her where I was at. Scary shit! I was blown away that she had even remembered that random night and blown away even more that she went back to that house we had only been at once![/QUOTE]Yeah, I say retain anonymity as much as possible. On my last SB-traveling binge, I was going to be in one area for about 4-5 days. Due to all of these vacation rental websites that have made renting houses by the day feasible, I toyed with the idea of renting a nice house for my trip instead of a hotel, as there were lots of things I liked about it such as parking my car in a driveway next to the house, having lots more room and furniture possibilities for fucking etc. But I ultimately decided against it. Why? Dead easy for the girl to find out who the owner of the home is and trick them into revealing my identity. Not easy at all with a decent hotel as they have strict privacy policies in place. I also didn't like the idea that they could just drive by and see if I was there, potentially break in or screw with my car. I ended up staying in a resort that had gated security. Very nice because then I can tell the girl to follow me in with her car, and I tell the guard she's with me.

Also gives her peace of mind in terms of wondering about whether I'm safe, because she knows they have cameras all over the place, etc.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2126791]I learned this long ago about women. It's the information they have on you that they swear the absolute very most they will NEVER use against you, that they will always use first when they are jaded. You can never be too guarded with these situations. When a woman becomes angry, she goes right for the nukes in an emotional rage and anything she has on you, will be the very first thing she uses.
![/QUOTE]Well, She came back saying. We must trust each other. She is willing to meet now. Wow. What a turnaround. Should I still move fwd now. As looks like info sharing issue is gone? Or will she still try to investigate based on hotel room detail / info? I will try to use different name on my bookind.

When do you all give sugar to SB? End of the meet or before? Some SB ask full upfront, half after dinner and half after the date. Thoughts?

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2126944]When do you all give sugar to SB? End of the meet or before? Some SB ask full upfront, half after dinner and half after the date. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]There used to be a promotional ad for The Man Show after Joe Rogan and Doug Stanhope took over, where they were applying for jobs and asking if it would be possible to receive the annual salary up front. LOL.

I don't let the SB ask. I gift them after the deed based on how happy daddy is at the end of the date.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2126950]There used to be a promotional ad for The Man Show after Joe Rogan and Doug Stanhope took over, where they were applying for jobs and asking if it would be possible to receive the annual salary up front. LOL.

I don't let the SB ask. I gift them after the deed based on how happy daddy is at the end of the date.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I am certainly not new. SD but back from break. And making me act like newbie.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2126841]Well, She came back saying. We must trust each other. She is willing to meet now. Wow. What a turnaround. Should I still move fwd now. As looks like info sharing issue is gone? Or will she still try to investigate based on hotel room detail / info? I will try to use different name on my bookind.[/QUOTE]She'll return with the same old song and dance because this is important to her. Confidentiality is important to KingGreg as it should be. KingGreg needs to move on to someone else.

The bottom line is things must be a natural fit or there is no fit.

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2126982]Thanks. I am certainly not new. SD but back from break. And making me act like newbie.[/QUOTE]You are in the same boat as me. After being in the game (and the bowl) years before this thread existed, and indeed having some good success, I left to pursue civilian relationships. Now I am back, but finding a great more difficulty in meeting POTs that I used to have. Talked to many ladies on SD(ie) dot com but can't get any of them to a M&G. It amazes me that you are able to negotiate the amount and a potential trip to the FC before you even get to the M&G. Then again, I find myself only going after younger, more attractive ladies. But then I am in the bowl to get the ladies I couldn't ordinarily get as a doughy, middle aged dude! I'm sure they are Nano 1's with GPS which is part of the problem. I'm just not comfortable discussing money via text message! And at least in my area, AA ladies seem to be more aggressive, and take a lower allowance. But I am not attracted to them at all, so that does hurt my odds.

Norm!

[QUOTE=NormGerd;2127066]You are in the same boat as me. After being in the game (and the bowl) years before this thread existed, and indeed having some good success, I left to pursue civilian relationships. Now I am back, but finding a great more difficulty in meeting POTs that I used to have. Talked to many ladies on SD(ie) dot com but can't get any of them to a M&G. It amazes me that you are able to negotiate the amount and a potential trip to the FC before you even get to the M&G. Then again, I find myself only going after younger, more attractive ladies. But then I am in the bowl to get the ladies I couldn't ordinarily get as a doughy, middle aged dude! I'm sure they are Nano 1's with GPS which is part of the problem. I'm just not comfortable discussing money via text message! And at least in my area, AA ladies seem to be more aggressive, and take a lower allowance. But I am not attracted to them at all, so that does hurt my odds.

Norm![/QUOTE]Norm, I always do M&G. My POT is 22 . Young and beautiful. My preferences are like yours as well. Yes, it has been very difficult to find SBs.

They are demanding high sugar amt though. For few hours. !

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2127086]Norm, I always do M&G. My POT is 22 . Young and beautiful. My preferences are like yours as well. Yes, it has been very difficult to find SBs.

They are demanding high sugar amt though. For few hours. ![/QUOTE]Sorry I did not mean to suggest that people were skipping the M&G. Which some do. Rather, I was commenting on those who have the ability to arrange not only the M&G, but the availability and price of post-M&G fun before they ever meet. Now that being said, I do not post pictures of myself (or any pictures at all) and this certainly cuts down on my responses I think.

Norm!

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2126982]Thanks. I am certainly not new. SD but back from break. And making me act like newbie.[/QUOTE]Hope I wasn't treating you like one (not intentional if so). I just blurt out my own methodology. Others have theirs that works for them.