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[QUOTE=JosephAlley;2336395]As you will note I have not been on here for some time but I am very interested in your post re Thai places in Quincy. I prefer Thai period but can't fine one, specially in Quincy, where I can leave satisfied so I stopped going all together. Can you inbox me with some hope?[/QUOTE]Sorry JA, I can't get no Thai satisfaction in Quincy. And I stopped going to the 80/ hr and up places.
HD.
Hi Gang, It's been a long while, formerly a long-time contributor but I'm relatively inactive now. I came across this interesting blog discussing the AAMP (and likely the AMP scene applies just the same) phenomenon in America as viewed from overseas. While Martha Coakley would have us believe all women in massage parlors are sex slaves here against their will, this eastern perspective is quite a fascinating read.
[URL]http://www.wowasis.com/travelblog/?p=2684[/URL]
A small sample of the article:
[I]If overseas, in China, Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, and Thailand, it often works like this. Women answer an ad to work in North America, generally for domestic help positions (they are not being "trafficked against their will). At the interview, they're frankly told that it's sex work, and they can chose to do it or not. If they agree, they pay a fee, generally $1000 (all examples in this article are in USD), to arrange transportation, visas, any necessary bribes, and lodging in a North American city. They can either pay their own airfare or the company will buy it for them. If the latter, round trip open-end airfare to North America is charged at $3,000. In Korea, all potential masseuses must take a class in traditional Korean massage before they leave for North America. They will pay for their lodging in North America at the going rate, generally $1500 per month for a clean, modern apartment, the rental of which may be shared by two or three women. They are expected to work off their debt, generally around $4,000, and may not keep any profit until their debts are paid. This is paid off in a surprisingly short amount of time.[/I]
[QUOTE=TurboniumK;2337171]Hi Gang, It's been a long while, formerly a long-time contributor but I'm relatively inactive now. I came across this interesting blog discussing the AAMP (and likely the AMP scene applies just the same) phenomenon in America as viewed from overseas. While Martha Coakley would have us believe all women in massage parlors are sex slaves here against their will, this eastern perspective is quite a fascinating read.
[URL]http://www.wowasis.com/travelblog/?p=2684[/URL]
A small sample of the article:
[I]If overseas, in China, Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, and Thailand, it often works like this. Women answer an ad to work in North America, generally for domestic help positions (they are not being "trafficked against their will). At the interview, they're frankly told that it's sex work, and they can chose to do it or not. If they agree, they pay a fee, generally $1000 (all examples in this article are in USD), to arrange transportation, visas, any necessary bribes, and lodging in a North American city. They can either pay their own airfare or the company will buy it for them. If the latter, round trip open-end airfare to North America is charged at $3,000. In Korea, all potential masseuses must take a class in traditional Korean massage before they leave for North America. They will pay for their lodging in North America at the going rate, generally $1500 per month for a clean, modern apartment, the rental of which may be shared by two or three women. They are expected to work off their debt, generally around $4,000, and may not keep any profit until their debts are paid. This is paid off in a surprisingly short amount of time.[/I][/QUOTE]I agree with everything in the article except for the dollar amounts, I know an asian woman who came over from China but it cost her 40,000. Not 4000. She was able to choose any job she wanted but eventually chose the massage route because she could pay off the 40 G debt quicker. She now has a thriving AMP and an AAMP with 4 to six girls rotating every week. She has a new car, real estate, a new set of tits and now her rotating girls do most of the work. Just goes to show you that America is still the land of opportunity if you have some brains and the right product to sell.
I am going to TOFTT but want to be sure it's not a risk.
[URL]http://boston.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sexy-asiansweetheart-new-new-total-body-rub/26978314[/URL]
Let our professional service with soft music.
- relief your pain -.
-reduce stress-.
I offer full body massage.
Along with some other tings as.
Call now 6 1 7-- 8 5 1 --5 6 8 8.
We open 7 days 8:00 am to 9:00 pm.
No block calls no texting.
[QUOTE=Spectator;2337628]I am going to TOFTT but want to be sure it's not a risk.
[URL]http://boston.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sexy-asiansweetheart-new-new-total-body-rub/26978314[/URL]
Let our professional service with soft music.
- relief your pain -.
-reduce stress-.
I offer full body massage.
Along with some other tings as.
Call now 6 1 7-- 8 5 1 --5 6 8 8.
We open 7 days 8:00 am to 9:00 pm.
No block calls no texting.[/QUOTE]Your pm is full.
[QUOTE=Spectator;2337628]I am going to TOFTT but want to be sure it's not a risk.
[URL]http://boston.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sexy-asiansweetheart-new-new-total-body-rub/26978314[/URL]
Let our professional service with soft music.
- relief your pain -.
-reduce stress-.
I offer full body massage.
Along with some other tings as.
Call now 6 1 7-- 8 5 1 --5 6 8 8.
We open 7 days 8:00 am to 9:00 pm.
No block calls no texting.[/QUOTE]I've been thinking about trying her out as well. PM me the details if you could. My bet is that its going to be a duplicate of Johnny's massage studio experience. Good luck.
[QUOTE=SmokeScreen;1819081] Sorry, My mistake.
Sorry again
[QUOTE=Oldmonger;2337512]Are you still in touch with Michelle? [/QUOTE]No, she moved back to China, she was here for a week recently, but has gone back as far as I know.
Went to place across from plaza on main the other day and was greeted by 3 ladies, one tall fo Asian, another shorter and wider, the 3rd was Jenna. Yes, the infamous jenna most recently from Wilmington.
Not bad. Atleast the walls went all the way up and the phones weren't ringing off the hook.
Looks: 6. 5.
Service: 7.
Clean: 7.
Value: 7.
Repeat: why.
Do not leave 40, unless utc up top. Even then leave 20. What can they do? Nada. If you do this often and encounter a gilf, older Asian, still leave 20 or lower. Bring 60 and that's that. If you can't handle that, don't go. It's not that intimidating like a BP date or BP scam. I like the outcome, who doesn't, but 20 is enough believe me (recent travels).
[QUOTE=JohnBoy69;2337851]Went to place across from plaza on main the other day and was greeted by 3 ladies, one tall fo Asian, another shorter and wider, the 3rd was Jenna. Yes, the infamous jenna most recently from Wilmington.
Not bad. Atleast the walls went all the way up and the phones weren't ringing off the hook.
Looks: 6. 5.
Service: 7.
Clean: 7.
Value: 7.
Repeat: why.[/QUOTE]Why as in "why repeat?" as in no?
Or
Why as in "y" as in yes?
[QUOTE=TurnOverHoney;2337885]Do not leave 40, unless utc up top. Even then leave 20. What can they do? Nada. If you do this often and encounter a gilf, older Asian, still leave 20 or lower. Bring 60 and that's that. If you can't handle that, don't go. It's not that intimidating like a BP date or BP scam. I like the outcome, who doesn't, but 20 is enough believe me (recent travels).[/QUOTE]Seriously you can't have it both ways. We complain when the girls break the mood to discuss money yet there's still mo gets out there ripping the girls off. The going rate for your basic rub and tug is 40. This is what the girls expect and what everyone should expect to pay. If you are shorting the girl by half every time all your really doing is gaurenteeing shitty service the next time and puting the girl in a fowl mood for the next guy. Further more your putting the girl in a bad mood for the next guy. Just my two cents.
I found everybody has different views on tipping. These are mine, and I am interested to hear others.
$40. The standard--Decent massage and HE. OTC at least.
$50. SUPERB massage and HE with some passion. OTC at least.
$60. Topless and superb massage. OTC / UTC. Maybe some nip play. Must be passionate and not robotic.
$70. All of the above plus Russian and maybe mutual masturbation.
$80. All of the above plus BJ. Must be passionate and get the full time allotted.
Just my scale, but if you want high end service I found the Thai places are best, but you must be willing to double these prices. These girls charge a lot, but I find the facilities always clean, and the girls are generally better looking.
Just my opinion.
Best All.
I've gone there a few times, although my most recent visit was months ago. It's a typical AAMP in a large apartment complex. Girls rotate, but I've never been disappointed by the appearance of the ones that I've seen there. Of course, YMMV depending on who's working when you visit.
[QUOTE=Spectator;2337628]I am going to TOFTT but want to be sure it's not a risk.
[URL]http://boston.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sexy-asiansweetheart-new-new-total-body-rub/26978314[/URL]
Let our professional service with soft music.
- relief your pain -.
-reduce stress-.
I offer full body massage.
Along with some other tings as.
Call now 6 1 7-- 8 5 1 --5 6 8 8.
We open 7 days 8:00 am to 9:00 pm.
No block calls no texting.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TurnOverHoney;2337885]Do not leave 40, unless utc up top. Even then leave 20. What can they do? Nada. If you do this often and encounter a gilf, older Asian, still leave 20 or lower. Bring 60 and that's that. If you can't handle that, don't go. It's not that intimidating like a BP date or BP scam. I like the outcome, who doesn't, but 20 is enough believe me (recent travels).[/QUOTE]I totally disagree. I find that the best service comes after several visits to a place. The tips should reflect your expectations. If a girl is non owner she makes her money from tips. To expect her to be happy with a 5-20 $ tip for one hour, and provide a good service is unrealistic. I do agree that over tipping also can lead to bad service as it changes the expectations. In Boston I am finding 40-100 is good based on the experience, and makesfor a better visit next time. These guys that are rude, cheap, and don't have the courtesy to even clean up before hand ruin it for everyone else.
[QUOTE=AmpFan228;2338361]Seriously you can't have it both ways. We complain when the girls break the mood to discuss money yet there's still mo gets out there ripping the girls off. The going rate for your basic rub and tug is 40. This is what the girls expect and what everyone should expect to pay. If you are shorting the girl by half every time all your really doing is gaurenteeing shitty service the next time and puting the girl in a fowl mood for the next guy. Further more your putting the girl in a bad mood for the next guy. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]I don't think he is trying to have it both ways. I think he is just an asshole.
They spend all day stuck indoors jerking old guy cock and getting groped for shirty wages. I don't think 40 bucks is too much to spare.
[QUOTE=MScoresEasy;2338394]I found everybody has different views on tipping. These are mine, and I am interested to hear others.
$40. The standard--Decent massage and HE. OTC at least.
$50. SUPERB massage and HE with some passion. OTC at least.
$60. Topless and superb massage. OTC / UTC. Maybe some nip play. Must be passionate and not robotic.
$70. All of the above plus Russian and maybe mutual masturbation.
$80. All of the above plus BJ. Must be passionate and get the full time allotted.
Just my scale, but if you want high end service I found the Thai places are best, but you must be willing to double these prices. These girls charge a lot, but I find the facilities always clean, and the girls are generally better looking.
Just my opinion.
Best All.[/QUOTE]If I didn't know better I would have said I wrote that. The only thing I would add is be careful in the Thai places. They are known for having ladyboys transvestites, and transexuals, and sometimes they look as good as a beautifulwoman. As long as you're aware of that then ok. It's best to ask before hand if the provider is and always has been female. You would hate to find out when it's too late.
[QUOTE=MScoresEasy;2338394]I found everybody has different views on tipping. These are mine, and I am interested to hear others.
$40. The standard--Decent massage and HE. OTC at least.
$50. SUPERB massage and HE with some passion. OTC at least.
$60. Topless and superb massage. OTC / UTC. Maybe some nip play. Must be passionate and not robotic.
$70. All of the above plus Russian and maybe mutual masturbation.
$80. All of the above plus BJ. Must be passionate and get the full time allotted.
Just my scale, but if you want high end service I found the Thai places are best, but you must be willing to double these prices. These girls charge a lot, but I find the facilities always clean, and the girls are generally better looking.
Just my opinion.
Best All.[/QUOTE]Although I haven't had a provider that did mutual masturbation, My tipping is similar to yours. I have to say that you are a good hobbyist. The better the service the better the tip. That policy works best for all. It PO's me when I read that someone was cheated on time or had sub-par service and they still gave an "above-par" tip.
Formerly of Jenna's in Stoneham. She has moved on to a new location, but so far I haven't been able to find her.
Thanks.
She is going to China. She will probably return to Oasis.
[QUOTE=YelloTail;2339002]Formerly of Jenna's in Stoneham. She has moved on to a new location, but so far I haven't been able to find her.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HagsJoe;2337908]Why as in "why repeat?" as in no?
Or
Why as in "y" as in yes?[/QUOTE]Why as in why if in area but won't go out of my way.
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[QUOTE=Neddd;2338760]Although I haven't had a provider that did mutual masturbation, My tipping is similar to yours. I have to say that you are a good hobbyist. The better the service the better the tip. That policy works best for all. It PO's me when I read that someone was cheated on time or had sub-par service and they still gave an "above-par" tip.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%, also there is, on the other side of the coin, the guy that gets good service for the full hour and leaves a sub par tip. This practice pisses off the provider and could lead to lousy service for the rest of us.
Been there more times than I could count over a FIVE year stretch -- there is no "her" to check out. They rotate naturally. Sometimes tastey and horny, but often just average. Clean quiet reliable 170 FS w hot shower.
[QUOTE=Rcranium;2337696]I've been thinking about trying her out as well. PM me the details if you could. My bet is that its going to be a duplicate of Johnny's massage studio experience. Good luck.[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=SmokeScreen;2339452]Agree 100%, also there is, on the other side of the coin, the guy that gets good service for the full hour and leaves a sub par tip. This practice pisses off the provider and could lead to lousy service for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]I shouldn't have left out the importance of leaving a good tip for the girl that goes the extra mile. We want to encourage great service.
[QUOTE=Neddd;2339866]I shouldn't have left out the importance of leaving a good tip for the girl that goes the extra mile. We want to encourage great service.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right. I have seen many a provider with a sour look on her face and had lousy service to find out that someone had stiffed her earlier. While I agree that we shouldn't 'over tip' for standard service we should give a little something extra if the provider goes out of her way for us and gives a little bit extra. Not only will it set us up for the next visit but it will help those who see her in the immediate future by having a better session and maybe getting the little extra that we got. Just as we remember those providers that screw us over they remember those customers that screw them over. SO.
I don't think there's a question that those who under tip make it harder on the next monger. I've asked why multiple times when the girl asks for the $ up front or negotiates and the answer always is that the monger doesn't tip or says he'll make up for it next time. My view is that those girls have a very tough, restricted life. Most work 10-12 hrs x 7 days, can't leave the spa, can't drive, rarely take time off, have to pay off their sponsor, etc, etc, etc. I really appreciate mongers who take the respectful, caring approach to treat the girls like they would want to be treated and pay to the level of service. I totally agree with 40 for standard service and more with higher levels of service. Like some others, I'm not aggressive in my approach and often find repeat visits can even be better (not always of course which is why I selectively repeat). Personally, I think a happy, playful, attentive attitude goes a long way.
I don't understand why AMPs don't aim for repeat customers, instead they try to shamelessly haggle for unreasonable HE tips. Before the HE. I went to RT in Weymth and it started with a good rub then an overdrawn obvious ploy to butter me up. Ok fine. Then the haggle. Whatever. Thing is they ask for too much while I stay firm with the going rate and it turns into a letdown. I liked the massage and would have kept coming back and back for more. To argue over $10-20 lost sunshne much more than that in the long run seeing I will never come back to haggle with her when I just want to relax and get a full massage. I might just get a massage chair and a flesh light. I've had it. AMPs are too inconsistent and lmps are hard to find in the SS, nothing worth the ride as far as I know.
This place still open? Lisa used to be a gem here haven't seen her in forever though.
[QUOTE=Lonedrag;2340386]I don't understand why AMPs don't aim for repeat customers, instead they try to shamelessly haggle for unreasonable HE tips. Before the HE. I went to RT in Weymth and it started with a good rub then an overdrawn obvious ploy to butter me up. Ok fine. Then the haggle. Whatever. Thing is they ask for too much while I stay firm with the going rate and it turns into a letdown. I liked the massage and would have kept coming back and back for more. To argue over $10-20 lost sunshne much more than that in the long run seeing I will never come back to haggle with her when I just want to relax and get a full massage. I might just get a massage chair and a flesh light. I've had it. AMPs are too inconsistent and lmps are hard to find in the SS, nothing worth the ride as far as I know.[/QUOTE]All four styles exists in the same marketplace. They all have different styles. The Thais charge $70-$ 80 for the hour and expect $ 60 for a HJ. If more is available you will pay more. Most of the time no UTC roaming is allowed. In many cases no roaming of any sort is allowed. Makes you wonder what you might find. Unfortunately they understand that we often compare them to Chinese AMPs which they consider an inferior massage experience in an unruly (smells of Ramen noodles) and unsanitary places where the linens are seldom changed. In my personal experience, some of them would rather not have us clients if we do not pay to their scale.
The Koreans in RI have two modes. FS and Non FS. Pick your preferred style and pay accordingly. 60+140 or 60+40. They usually have showers and saunas and are ruled by a mamasan or papasan. They have their own cost structures. The ladies shuffle in and circle out. Some return from vacation if they have built a lucrative following.
Some Chinese parlors expect a 60/40 tip structure. This is true in some of the old school places which offer limited menus. There are newer places where more may be had on an a la carte basis. In their culture haggling is part of their world. They will haggle in the food markets and clothing stores so why expect them not to haggle in the parlors. There seems to be a wider range of experiences with the ladies in these spas. Many of us will find a place where we will get the best mix of service / relaxation / price / and attentiveness. We become regulars and the expectations are set and the haggling ends.
I have limited experiences with LMPs. Too bad the ones in the S. Shore are gone. But based on what I have read he, there seems to be a SOP for them as well. Less of a massage more of a BP experience. They are pricier but a fuller menu might be available for a shorter time period. A lot of hit and miss experiences here.
I think we should learn the different segments of the market and what their are offering at what price point. Pick the style you want for the moment and simply enjoy.
There is a place downtown called bamboo valley. I went there once. Totally legit but good massage.
Seems like a straight laced joint, too clean. Anyone had any other experience?
[QUOTE=Lonedrag;2340386]I don't understand why AMPs don't aim for repeat customers, instead they try to shamelessly haggle for unreasonable HE tips. Before the HE. I went to RT in Weymth and it started with a good rub then an overdrawn obvious ploy to butter me up. Ok fine. Then the haggle. Whatever. Thing is they ask for too much while I stay firm with the going rate and it turns into a letdown. I liked the massage and would have kept coming back and back for more. To argue over $10-20 lost sunshne much more than that in the long run seeing I will never come back to haggle with her when I just want to relax and get a full massage. I might just get a massage chair and a flesh light. I've had it. AMPs are too inconsistent and lmps are hard to find in the SS, nothing worth the ride as far as I know.[/QUOTE]How true it is. Personally, I find it truly incomprehensible that a massage lady would jump up to answer the doorbell or the phone during a session with a loyal regular. To say I hate that is an understatement. I say they should ignore the phone and leave a sign on the door that says busy, please return later.
[QUOTE=BlamboMcGee;2341168]How true it is. Personally, I find it truly incomprehensible that a massage lady would jump up to answer the doorbell or the phone during a session with a loyal regular. To say I hate that is an understatement. I say they should ignore the phone and leave a sign on the door that says busy, please return later.[/QUOTE]I guess they haven't heard the expression "a bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush". There is nothing that bugs me more than when she leaves in the middle of the massage to answer the door. That's what happens when there is only one or two girls working and no mamason. She figures she has you already so now she can line up the next one. I wonder what she would do if, when she came back, you were dressed and walking out.
[QUOTE=DannyTheMan;2340834]There is a place downtown called bamboo valley. I went there once. Totally legit but good massage.
Seems like a straight laced joint, too clean. Anyone had any other experience?[/QUOTE]Second that. Been there several times over the last year and ditto. Despite the hints.
Visited Cherry Blossom last week. Typical AMP 60/40. Small rooms. Angela wasn't available that day. Had to settle for Michele, must be in mid 30's, 6/10 on looks. Decent massage, little bit teasing. UTC roaming, nothing special worth mentioning. Might repeat to try Angela.
[QUOTE=Afterlife6661;2340454]This place still open? Lisa used to be a gem here haven't seen her in forever though.[/QUOTE]This Lisa about 30, long black hair, real cute? Was a Lisa at Nina's in Braintree.
TOFFT in Waltham on a lark. Saw the CL without any pics for Balance and Healing and took a flyer. Ring the bell and wait. Door is a little too exposed. Large, basic, AMP. When I went there it was empty and only one masseuse- a very chubby older woman. Nice.
Personality but nonsexual build. $60 undistinguished massage. Terrible, mechanical finish; from the moment she started it she wanted it over ("you cum, you cum" Will not repeat.
[QUOTE=ShortStroke;2341916]This Lisa about 30, long black hair, real cute? Was a Lisa at Nina's in Braintree.[/QUOTE]Yup big tits. Did a nice hard massage.
[QUOTE=JohnBoy69;2341551]Second that. Been there several times over the last year and ditto. Despite the hints.[/QUOTE]I looked in twice without ever staying. Two signs of a legit business: 1) man at front desk (I always avoid these), and 2) a female customer on the way out. Neither of these is a good sign ending-wise.
Last time I checked in (what are you hours? Rates? Thanks, I'll be back) the woman at the desk was old and unattractive. As I was headed down the stairs she had pulled one of the therapists out to the front door so I'd see her, and she was young and cute. So she knew at least partially why I was leaving. However that doesn't mean anything once in the room.