Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=TallCoolOne69;2778631]I had a dream once with Jess. As I was leaving there was a young man, in the hallway, that had been thete before and after the dream session.

I went back a week later and took a little lunch to her and arranged for a quick nap later. When I went into her room I found something odd, I left to let her eat.

I never went back and I won't go back.[/QUOTE]Speaking in the cryptic manner gives you zero creditability. If you have nothing of substance, save your time for something more productive.

[QUOTE=Amon777;2780217]Bahahaha I only eat feces freshly squeezed out of the ass.[/QUOTE]I guess that makes sense. A guy's got to have standards.

[QUOTE=TallCoolOne69;2779120]You know, I get that the young ladies we peruse may have questionable morals and I have done more than enough to help out 3 lately and I have walked away from all 3. One of the girls I was questioned as far as being her "handler". I try to enjoy the hobby and understand with it cone some dark demons, we all have them. What I saw is not good and all I can say to Jess is to remember the phrase "Guilt by association". I think she is sweet and it's not an act. Her pics do no justice, she's beautiful but we have to say no at sometime. She's a nice girl. They're all nice girls.[/QUOTE]Care to vague that up a little more, I almost understood it.

[QUOTE=Willow1535;2778522]She said it herself. "He gave it to me and didn't get what he wanted so posted saying I'm the cops! LOL. Call Me. " What about that don't you understand? She said that he gave her the money.
...<snip>...dont you think that it is time to move on?[/QUOTE]You completely missed what I was pointing out. TROLLS. This dude is a Troll. He posted a lie. Trolls lie. I can't stand people that fucking lie. That was the whole point on the Jess situation I was using as an example. The Dude gave an obvious lie so what ever else he posted I couldn't take anything as truth. As far as her posted comment I can see it as both ways. So if she did take the money which he gave her then so what. Good for her and I hope it was a couple of Benjamins. Serves him right for trying to say a place is being watched by LEO causing alarm and trying to implicate her as part of a sting. The guy is a douchebag. The whole point was about his lie. Not if the dumbass lost money. And I'll talk about what ever the fuck I want to talk about thank you.

Harpo.

My experience on the SA sugar daddy site has been a long one and a fruitful one. I made some friends, but mostly I learned a lesson in life. Admin2 said it in another post long ago. And stated it well and concisely; If you are taking money for sex it is PROSITUTION. Plain and simple. This man is smart enough to know as some of us, that 99% of the females on SA are prostitutes. There are levels of it and MANY of them have handlers or are being trafficked, Trafficked is the worse because it involves multiple people using the target girl. She is a commodity to them until it no longer yields anything, these girls are not the independent ones (the indie ones for the most part they are not pimped) we see here and on other sites that require membership. The older ones are more seasoned and are not associated with a handler or need one really. Speaking from MY experience, we all get to know them now don't we? The young ones can say in the profile / ad they are exclusive and we know otherwise don't we now. The problem you encounter is maturity and age. With many of the real young ones (under 30), it is clear they are being pimped out.

PRICE POINT also exemplifies this. Either for drugs or sheer fear or income. Age dictates this clearly, If you do not agree you are being disingenuous. Sure there is the student making money or basically fleecing an older guy. You can deny it all you want. When you see these young ones you are mostly helping the pimp / handler make his money and abuse the girl, and or just keeping her strung out on the drugs. I could go on but to keep it brief I will say that the one Big Sug was mentioning in his post is being trafficked. Something is very wrong there. I think of Cookie, Kelly (tess), Loraine, Nat Lynne, Holly and a few others. They ALL had drug problems and or were associated with a handler providing H and were being TRAFFICKED. Two had tragic endings. I did my homework with the help of a few other men. I felt compelled to pass on this intel after reading some of the posts. I corresponded with at least a half dozen guys on here and off this site about her. I PMd you Sug multiple times about something that is undeniable about that one you fucked when she was stoned and fucked when she was sober but was still a great f*ck, You did not respond. There would only be a couple reasons someone would post about or care to fuck a young one no matter if she was on drugs or not and possibly without protection. The way I can see it. I would think that many times the handlers / traffickers are on here too advertising their wears. Think about it. If she was out with you seemed OK at one point then stoned a bit later after going to the bathroom?? Syringes are thrown out once used because they are implicating and it only cost two bones for such a long time because she absolutely needed that money that night to keep the trafficker at bay. You had so much fun you see her again right? This is really sick. This girl is being trafficked and it is a shame. You guys need to remember they are people too. I would think to legalize prostitution would free many of these poor young girls. Sites like SA would go away too. Sugar Babys won't, so no worries. It's really the big trafficker isn't it? It would bring the situation into the light. I like to play like everyone else, but when things don't add up and you see the signs as you had on many other girls in the past, your mind tells you its best to move on. SO, you think that she signed up at 21 and just started right? See'Mon. They started these young ones in their teens and now they are old enough to get on these sites. We can only suggest to them to get help or point out things, but when drugs are involved and they are being trafficked there is nothing we can do until the dirt bags get outed or caught or worse; something happens to the girl. My brief experience with her had my spidy senses whirling and a few times they were flashing danger to me as I had experienced with some of the others I had mentioned. The character Frank from Blue Velvet came to mind when I read Sugs take on her. When Frank says: " I'll fuck anything that moves" well, I will not. There is a reason a filet Minot cost what it costs and a big Mac cost what it costs, I choose life. In this case with this particular girl, there is a clear involvement of others. Couple that with the info in posts, shared, pm's and public record sites online that is readily available and it paints a really dangerous picture for her mostly because we can all walk away she cannot. Seeing her contributes to something we would not want our children, relatives or friends kids involved in yet we forget that those girls may not be lucky like our friends and loved ones. I saw the warning signs with every one of the ones I mentioned and every one of them has or had a profile on SA except for one. Some of you will ignore this and pay for the fun anyway I am sure, but I will not ignore what I experienced with this one from Seeking Arrangements. It has caused me to rethink my entire strategy in playing. I will not seek out anyone under 30 and I pay attention to ALL intel. Self experienced or from others. I really don't care whom you see. IN MY experience with her, this will NOT end well. And my final post on her.

[QUOTE=DarkNet;2783947]My experience on the SA sugar daddy site has been a long one and a fruitful one. I made some friends, but mostly I learned a lesson in life. Admin2 said it in another post long ago. And stated it well and concisely; If you are taking money for sex it is PROSITUTION. Plain and simple. This man is smart enough to know as some of us, that 99% of the females on SA are prostitutes. There are levels of it and MANY of them have handlers or are being trafficked, Trafficked is the worse because it involves multiple people using the target girl. She is a commodity to them until it no longer yields anything, these girls are not the independent ones (the indie ones for the most part they are not pimped) we see here and on other sites that require membership. The older ones are more seasoned and are not associated with a handler or need one really. Speaking from MY experience, we all get to know them now don't we? The young ones can say in the profile / ad they are exclusive and we know otherwise don't we now. The problem you encounter is maturity and age. With many of the real young ones (under 30), it is clear they are being pimped out.

PRICE POINT also exemplifies this. Either for drugs or sheer fear or income. Age dictates this clearly, If you do not agree you are being disingenuous. Sure there is the student making money or basically fleecing an older guy. You can deny it all you want. When you see these young ones you are mostly helping the pimp / handler make his money and abuse the girl, and or just keeping her strung out on the drugs. I could go on but to keep it brief I will say that the one Big Sug was mentioning in his post is being trafficked. Something is very wrong there. I think of Cookie, Kelly (tess), Loraine, Nat Lynne, Holly and a few others. They ALL had drug problems and or were associated with a handler providing H and were being TRAFFICKED. Two had tragic endings. I did my homework with the help of a few other men. I felt compelled to pass on this intel after reading some of the posts. I corresponded with at least a half dozen guys on here and off this site about her. I PMd you Sug multiple times about something that is undeniable about that one you fucked when she was stoned and fucked when she was sober but was still a great f*ck, You did not respond. There would only be a couple reasons someone would post about or care to fuck a young one no matter if she was on drugs or not and possibly without protection. The way I can see it. I would think that many times the handlers / traffickers are on here too advertising their wears. Think about it. If she was out with you seemed OK at one point then stoned a bit later after going to the bathroom?? Syringes are thrown out once used because they are implicating and it only cost two bones for such a long time because she absolutely needed that money that night to keep the trafficker at bay. You had so much fun you see her again right? This is really sick. This girl is being trafficked and it is a shame. You guys need to remember they are people too. I would think to legalize prostitution would free many of these poor young girls. Sites like SA would go away too. Sugar Babys won't, so no worries. It's really the big trafficker isn't it? It would bring the situation into the light. I like to play like everyone else, but when things don't add up and you see the signs as you had on many other girls in the past, your mind tells you its best to move on. SO, you think that she signed up at 21 and just started right? See'Mon. They started these young ones in their teens and now they are old enough to get on these sites. We can only suggest to them to get help or point out things, but when drugs are involved and they are being trafficked there is nothing we can do until the dirt bags get outed or caught or worse; something happens to the girl. My brief experience with her had my spidy senses whirling and a few times they were flashing danger to me as I had experienced with some of the others I had mentioned. The character Frank from Blue Velvet came to mind when I read Sugs take on her. When Frank says: " I'll fuck anything that moves" well, I will not. There is a reason a filet Minot cost what it costs and a big Mac cost what it costs, I choose life. In this case with this particular girl, there is a clear involvement of others. Couple that with the info in posts, shared, pm's and public record sites online that is readily available and it paints a really dangerous picture for her mostly because we can all walk away she cannot. Seeing her contributes to something we would not want our children, relatives or friends kids involved in yet we forget that those girls may not be lucky like our friends and loved ones. I saw the warning signs with every one of the ones I mentioned and every one of them has or had a profile on SA except for one. Some of you will ignore this and pay for the fun anyway I am sure, but I will not ignore what I experienced with this one from Seeking Arrangements. It has caused me to rethink my entire strategy in playing. I will not seek out anyone under 30 and I pay attention to ALL intel. Self experienced or from others. I really don't care whom you see. IN MY experience with her, this will NOT end well. And my final post on her.[/QUOTE]This is probably good reading, however, it would be much easier it it was broken up into chunks (paragraphs). Too difficult to get thought this way.

A friend of mine has latched on to a very attractive female friend (both are married) and he is starting to dabble some with her. He asked about the possibilities of getting an apartment or room to help save some hotel costs (he prefers not to go to cheapies) and since they may be knocking boots 2 x a week, thought maybe getting an apartment for a couple hundred a month might be best.

Question anyone have advice for him?

Better: anyone doing this now that might want to share expenses and a schedule with him (but not the girl) so he can see her regularly?

[QUOTE=RE1975;2784545]A friend of mine has latched on to a very attractive female friend (both are married) and he is starting to dabble some with her. He asked about the possibilities of getting an apartment or room to help save some hotel costs (he prefers not to go to cheapies) and since they may be knocking boots 2 x a week, thought maybe getting an apartment for a couple hundred a month might be best.

Question anyone have advice for him?

Better: anyone doing this now that might want to share expenses and a schedule with him (but not the girl) so he can see her regularly?[/QUOTE]If I have this right, he likes more upscale hotels but wants an apartment for a couple of hundred a month. Brother that is not happening. He will have to raise the housing costs considerably. As always.

But that long post could have been helped by two things; punctuation, and context.

Maybe those "in the know" have some clue what it is the poster is saying, and about whom, but for me, other than coming away with a vague sense that he was saying SA is a trafficking site, I have no idea what all that meant.

[QUOTE=NdayGuy;2784407]This is probably good reading, however, it would be much easier it it was broken up into chunks (paragraphs). Too difficult to get thought this way.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Waltmore;2784840]If I have this right, he likes more upscale hotels but wants an apartment for a couple of hundred a month. Brother that is not happening. He will have to raise the housing costs considerably. As always.[/QUOTE]A bit of time surfing on web sites with apts for rent would show, I think, that you can get a fairly decent one-bedroom for $500 or so in low-crime areas.

Like the better parts of the westside, or reading, say, for $500/ mo or so. Deposit also $500 of course. So if he is going to use it 8 times per month, it.

Comes to about $63/ night. Hard to find a decent hotel room that cheap. The old Motel 6 is long gone.

Alaska Tom.

[QUOTE=DarkNet;2783947]My experience on the SA sugar daddy site has been a long one and a fruitful one. I made some friends, but mostly I learned a lesson in life. Admin2 said it in another post long ago. And stated it well and concisely; If you are taking money for sex it is PROSITUTION. Plain and simple. This man is smart enough to know as some of us, that 99% of the females on SA are prostitutes. There are levels of it and MANY of them have handlers or are being trafficked, Trafficked is the worse because it involves multiple people using the target girl. She is a commodity to them until it no longer yields anything, these girls are not the independent ones (the indie ones for the most part they are not pimped) we see here and on other sites that require membership. The older ones are more seasoned and are not associated with a handler or need one really. Speaking from MY experience, we all get to know them now don't we? The young ones can say in the profile / ad they are exclusive and we know otherwise don't we now. The problem you encounter is maturity and age. With many of the real young ones (under 30), it is clear they are being pimped out.

PRICE POINT also exemplifies this. Either for drugs or sheer fear or income. Age dictates this clearly, If you do not agree you are being disingenuous. Sure there is the student making money or basically fleecing an older guy. You can deny it all you want. When you see these young ones you are mostly helping the pimp / handler make his money and abuse the girl, and or just keeping her strung out on the drugs. I could go on but to keep it brief I will say that the one Big Sug was mentioning in his post is being trafficked. Something is very wrong there. I think of Cookie, Kelly (tess), Loraine, Nat Lynne, Holly and a few others. They ALL had drug problems and or were associated with a handler providing H and were being TRAFFICKED. Two had tragic endings. I did my homework with the help of a few other men. I felt compelled to pass on this intel after reading some of the posts. I corresponded with at least a half dozen guys on here and off this site about her. I PMd you Sug multiple times about something that is undeniable about that one you fucked when she was stoned and fucked when she was sober but was still a great f*ck, You did not respond. There would only be a couple reasons someone would post about or care to fuck a young one no matter if she was on drugs or not and possibly without protection. The way I can see it. I would think that many times the handlers / traffickers are on here too advertising their wears. Think about it. If she was out with you seemed OK at one point then stoned a bit later after going to the bathroom?? Syringes are thrown out once used because they are implicating and it only cost two bones for such a long time because she absolutely needed that money that night to keep the trafficker at bay. You had so much fun you see her again right? This is really sick. This girl is being trafficked and it is a shame. You guys need to remember they are people too. I would think to legalize prostitution would free many of these poor young girls. Sites like SA would go away too. Sugar Babys won't, so no worries. It's really the big trafficker isn't it? It would bring the situation into the light. I like to play like everyone else, but when things don't add up and you see the signs as you had on many other girls in the past, your mind tells you its best to move on. SO, you think that she signed up at 21 and just started right? See'Mon. They started these young ones in their teens and now they are old enough to get on these sites. We can only suggest to them to get help or point out things, but when drugs are involved and they are being trafficked there is nothing we can do until the dirt bags get outed or caught or worse; something happens to the girl. My brief experience with her had my spidy senses whirling and a few times they were flashing danger to me as I had experienced with some of the others I had mentioned. The character Frank from Blue Velvet came to mind when I read Sugs take on her. When Frank says: " I'll fuck anything that moves" well, I will not. There is a reason a filet Minot cost what it costs and a big Mac cost what it costs, I choose life. In this case with this particular girl, there is a clear involvement of others. Couple that with the info in posts, shared, pm's and public record sites online that is readily available and it paints a really dangerous picture for her mostly because we can all walk away she cannot. Seeing her contributes to something we would not want our children, relatives or friends kids involved in yet we forget that those girls may not be lucky like our friends and loved ones. I saw the warning signs with every one of the ones I mentioned and every one of them has or had a profile on SA except for one. Some of you will ignore this and pay for the fun anyway I am sure, but I will not ignore what I experienced with this one from Seeking Arrangements. It has caused me to rethink my entire strategy in playing. I will not seek out anyone under 30 and I pay attention to ALL intel. Self experienced or from others. I really don't care whom you see. IN MY experience with her, this will NOT end well. And my final post on her.[/QUOTE]The girl is heavily involved in the H scene in Cincinnati. This IA A MUST READ. I will try to tr post in a more readable form.

Hey ladies, look at velvet rayne post, good description of her, her place, a little of what she does and damage to the funds. It is nice to know the area of town. It is always about money for all of us. So, list as much as you can and the easiest way to contact you. I can't text / pic on my phone, voice works well, pm works too. Trying to help, lc.

[QUOTE=DarkNet;2785320]The girl is heavily involved in the H scene in Cincinnati. This IA A MUST READ. I will try to tr post in a more readable form.[/QUOTE]Are you going to write a book? Get a life.

Was contacted by a pretty much life long friend I have last night. She is female. We have known each other since we were kids and I've seen her through her marriage, divorce, BFs, kids and her the same with me. Well as it turns out she found her husbands username and password for all things, this site. She game me the name and I looked and yes I see that person on here with reviews. Now she is unaware that I too am a member here but I also am not in a relationship with anyone right now. She apparently saw his reviews and who he has seen and is trying to see. She really didn't tell me how she connected the dots and I didn't want to press. She actually came to my place and is devastated. I guess she confronted him and he continually denied it. It definitely appears they are heading to divorce.

I don't want to hear anything about how he should have been more careful. I've known this lady my whole life and it hurt me to see just how devastated she is. As I stated I am not seeing anyone right now and haven't for quite some time. Question. Without making a moral or ethical judgment, was wondering how some of you feel about you being in the hobby when you have wives or girlfriends. Just wondered if it bothered any of you because no matter how we look at it or justify it, it is cheating. Its funny how we can do that and not bat an eye over it but if our wife or girlfriend cheats on us, we are absolutely crushed. Just wondered what your thoughts were.