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[QUOTE=Darkhosis;6195560]Yeah, recently I had a conversation with a SB who was a solid 4/10 on top of bad pics and zero effort. She hadn't had made a real arrangement in the 6 mos on SA. Her no budge rate was $500.

Would anyone be willing to share some positive interactions? Between the scams, the amateurs who bail, and the army of Venezuelan women I'm definitely not renewing my membership.[/QUOTE]I've had some great relationships on SA. I've had several that were like girlfriends or (a good) wife. I involved them in my life and they took very good care of me. They made sure I had food, made sure I didn't spend too much time working and made sure that I took care of myself. I am still friends with most of them and we talk regularly, but this site isn't about that. You probably want to know more about getting laid.

So, right now I'm seeing someone that is 20 YO, I initially did not have any interest in her. I would say looks are about 5-6/10. She wanted to do a PPM and I was horny so I figured I'd give the ugly chick a try. She is the sweetest kid in the world. Definitely not a great fuck, but then she told me I was the sixth person she's had sex with in her life and she has only been sexually active 18 months. So, she has a lot to learn. At any point, her personality moved her from a 5-6/10 to about an 8/10 for me. No she's not going to win a beauty pageant, but (I'm going to sound like a chick here) her personality more than makes up for her looks. She is the one that I'm basically seeing now. The weird part is that she has a good job, lives rent free in a house that her parents own and she doesn't need the money. At any rate, she comes by after work and we go out and do things, fuck, watch a movie or two, fuck and she spends the night. In the morning we fuck have breakfast, fuck again and she leaves. It costs me $400. I saw three people from the other board last week, I spent more than $1000.

I can go back to previous girls I've seen, but I've reported about them here already. I think the thing that makes it difficult for so many people here is that with SA, you really can't just message someone have them come out, fuck you and leave. Yes, there are numerous escorts on the site that will do that, but for the most part, you're looking at people that don't want to be called escorts. So, you need to actually have a conversation with them, care (or pretend to care) about their issues and problems, be kind and empathetic and make them feel good about their decision to fuck you for money. You can do this without being a cuck. A lot of guys just want to get straight to the sex, that isn't going to work there (unless you find one of the escorts, who will charge you more than they do on escort sites).

[QUOTE=TnaPorter;6196454]I mean, yeah you're right. There are a lot of fakes on SA and there are a lot of girls who have crazy ideas. I mean, I talked to one girl whose only contribution to the arrangement would be that she would set her relationship status to make us "Facebook official". She was dead serious. But there are also a lot of real girls on there who make for the most perfect dating experiences ever. And there is such a variety! But it takes work. You have to talk to a lot of girls, you have to show a good amount of game and what not, but in my opinion, it's worth it. However, I see what guys talk about here so I totally understand that it's not for everyone. I think about the girls I meet on SA and it makes me cringe when I think about the situations I tolerated off of other sites. While those interactions were admittedly far more straightforward than SA, the quality of the interaction is just so much lower.

And I think about the flip side too. A few weeks ago, I went out on a date (like a real date) with this girl Alina. We went to a casual gastropub and had dinner for about $120. I take her home and get the "I can't wait to see you again!" texts, but no I didn't fuck her. I have to text her all week throughout the days and I take her out the following week for another $300 ish entertainment night. And yeah, I did fuck her then but it's a totally different experience that feels almost not-worth-it to me considering I have no intentions of seeing her more than a couple times.

We all want different things and what you say about SA is absolutely true so rather than reading about positive interactions, I think you should think about what type of interactions you really want as it's totally possible that what's required of the SA life just isn't your thing.[/QUOTE]What you did with Alina, is basically what I'm down for. I'll PM you for some details on that. It does get exhausting, sorting thru all the fakes and personalities. Thanks for that story.

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Because you sir are my hero, getting free pussy and having other dudes pay for the and your date.

Well done sir, well done!

[QUOTE=Michael1967;6196598]I've had some great relationships on SA. I've had several that were like girlfriends or (a good) wife. I involved them in my life and they took very good care of me. They made sure I had food, made sure I didn't spend too much time working and made sure that I took care of myself. I am still friends with most of them and we talk regularly, but this site isn't about that. You probably want to know more about getting laid.

So, right now I'm seeing someone that is 20 YO, I initially did not have any interest in her. I would say looks are about 5-6/10. She wanted to do a PPM and I was horny so I figured I'd give the ugly chick a try. She is the sweetest kid in the world. Definitely not a great fuck, but then she told me I was the sixth person she's had sex with in her life and she has only been sexually active 18 months. So, she has a lot to learn. At any point, her personality moved her from a 5-6/10 to about an 8/10 for me. No she's not going to win a beauty pageant, but (I'm going to sound like a chick here) her personality more than makes up for her looks. She is the one that I'm basically seeing now. The weird part is that she has a good job, lives rent free in a house that her parents own and she doesn't need the money. At any rate, she comes by after work and we go out and do things, fuck, watch a movie or two, fuck and she spends the night. In the morning we fuck have breakfast, fuck again and she leaves. It costs me $400. I saw three people from the other board last week, I spent more than $1000.

I can go back to previous girls I've seen, but I've reported about them here already. I think the thing that makes it difficult for so many people here is that with SA, you really can't just message someone have them come out, fuck you and leave. Yes, there are numerous escorts on the site that will do that, but for the most part, you're looking at people that don't want to be called escorts. So, you need to actually have a conversation with them, care (or pretend to care) about their issues and problems, be kind and empathetic and make them feel good about their decision to fuck you for money. You can do this without being a cuck. A lot of guys just want to get straight to the sex, that isn't going to work there (unless you find one of the escorts, who will charge you more than they do on escort sites).[/QUOTE]Actually, guys, I am 100% down with the extra stuff. These are all encouraging to read, thanks!

[QUOTE=PoonHound1969;6196647]Because you sir are my hero, getting free pussy and having other dudes pay for the and your date.

Well done sir, well done![/QUOTE]And has a three girl stable.

[QUOTE=PoonHound1969;6197751]And has a three girl stable.[/QUOTE]Looks like Cat who has been mentioned before is part of the stable, along with two others.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8b71205a-6af8-47a8-a2a7-5db45c7c9fc9[/URL]

So I took a suggestion from Michael and thought I'd share the results. I was in town with a license to play for a bit and just wanted to find someone to have fun with and didn't care about cost (willing to pay 1-2 k if it got me everything I wanted).

I contacted about 50 woman, I focused on the ones that often get posted here that are super hot but demand like 1 k.

None of them wanted to meet. If I agreed to 1 k many would ask for more, ghost me, or block me.

The only one I met was the one posted before "exotic red head". She's real. She's actually way better than her pics. But she agrees to everything in text and then in person once she gets some money (not even all of it! It's all "I don't kiss" "everything is protected" "you can't eat me" some of the worst sex of my life.

I don't know what game they're playing but it seems like all these GPS model girls are actually fake. Because they don't want to meet even when you agree to their insane demands.

[QUOTE=AnimeWeedLord;6201516]So I took a suggestion from Michael and thought I'd share the results. I was in town with a license to play for a bit and just wanted to find someone to have fun with and didn't care about cost (willing to pay 1-2 k if it got me everything I wanted).

I contacted about 50 woman, I focused on the ones that often get posted here that are super hot but demand like 1 k.

None of them wanted to meet. If I agreed to 1 k many would ask for more, ghost me, or block me.

The only one I met was the one posted before "exotic red head". She's real. She's actually way better than her pics. But she agrees to everything in text and then in person once she gets some money (not even all of it! It's all "I don't kiss" "everything is protected" "you can't eat me" some of the worst sex of my life.

I don't know what game they're playing but it seems like all these GPS model girls are actually fake. Because they don't want to meet even when you agree to their insane demands.[/QUOTE]I'm glad you gave it a try. I guess it's good to know that I'm paying low prices and actually having people show up. Never even considered $1000. Wow, that's amazing, you'd think they'd jump on that shit.

[QUOTE=AnimeWeedLord;6201516]So I took a suggestion from Michael and thought I'd share the results. I was in town with a license to play for a bit and just wanted to find someone to have fun with and didn't care about cost (willing to pay 1-2 k if it got me everything I wanted).

I contacted about 50 woman, I focused on the ones that often get posted here that are super hot but demand like 1 k.

None of them wanted to meet. If I agreed to 1 k many would ask for more, ghost me, or block me.

The only one I met was the one posted before "exotic red head". She's real. She's actually way better than her pics. But she agrees to everything in text and then in person once she gets some money (not even all of it! It's all "I don't kiss" "everything is protected" "you can't eat me" some of the worst sex of my life.

I don't know what game they're playing but it seems like all these GPS model girls are actually fake. Because they don't want to meet even when you agree to their insane demands.[/QUOTE]Before the pandemic I was already 80% switched to Seeking girls over traditional hobby girls, basically just keeping up with old favorites who mostly dropped out over time. When I got into Seeking for the first time it was late 2017. And those first two years were amazing. I'm an overweight, but relatively normal looking dude, and found a good mix of girls who wanted to hang out for free and other girls that varied between the 200-500 range for a really unrushed evening or overnight.

The pandemic really changed everything, especially in Seattle.

Since last summer when I started seeing girls again it's been really hard to connect in Seattle. A lot of girls have switched to OF or other premium online things which, when combined with scams, makes it hard to connect. Plus I've gotten to a point in my life where I'm just pickier, especially since just a few years ago I had great experiences.

So since last summer I've pulled the trigger three times from Seeking in Seattle. The first time was for a duo of two smoking hot 19 year olds, which despite how hot the girls were was a meh experience because it was clear they had a traditional provider mindset. Also the typical thing where one girl was more into things than the other. The second time was a girl who people have mentioned before on the board (I forget her handle). Nice girl, but a bit off and weird. Not as good looking as the pics. That was last Thanksgiving. And then just last month I saw a cute 20-something cutie for some fun for a reasonable allowance. I've stayed in touch and might see her again.

I've chatted with tons more girls and there are a few that seem interested, but it's been pulling teeth to pull a trigger. They ask "when are we going to meet" and then ghost when it comes to specifics. The pool of girls in Seattle is a lot smaller. I sub to the site for a month and by the end of that month things are pretty tapped out with new girls to chat with.

I visit other parts of the country. I spend a few months a year in California and sometimes go to Vegas. It's still harder to meet girls down there than it was before the pandemic, but nowhere near as bad as Seattle is. I can still find pretty hot girls for between 300-500 down there. Vegas is pricier, but still fun. I saw a duo there including one girl that was a stoner IG model.

Anyone, the point isn't to brag. I just wanted to call out that pickings are generally slimmer in the Seattle area, even if some people are having success. And that if you were looking for some "hall pass" fun it might be worth a trip to another part of the country. You can feel things out by just pinging girls in a town you'd be up for traveling to.

[QUOTE=AnimeWeedLord;6201516]So I took a suggestion from Michael and thought I'd share the results. I was in town with a license to play for a bit and just wanted to find someone to have fun with and didn't care about cost (willing to pay 1-2 k if it got me everything I wanted).

I contacted about 50 woman, I focused on the ones that often get posted here that are super hot but demand like 1 k.

None of them wanted to meet. If I agreed to 1 k many would ask for more, ghost me, or block me.

The only one I met was the one posted before "exotic red head". She's real. She's actually way better than her pics. But she agrees to everything in text and then in person once she gets some money (not even all of it! It's all "I don't kiss" "everything is protected" "you can't eat me" some of the worst sex of my life.

I don't know what game they're playing but it seems like all these GPS model girls are actually fake. Because they don't want to meet even when you agree to their insane demands.[/QUOTE]That is sad, not becuase you had a bad appointment. That happens here in SEA. You have always shared good reliable intel on this board. Sorry you wasted some of your limited play time, that is irritating. Hopefully the next one will be better.

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Columbiana33. She is in Kennewick but I also live in Bellevue and she did say she would travel. I know there are some like me that work east and live west. Thought I would give the story on her in case someone here takes a chance on her.

I did see her for a few months. Weekly visits. She is expensive and absolutely wanted an allowance only. I did manage to get her to ppm to start. She agreed. 500 ppm. It's steep. I know. Pickings over the hill are slim.

The good:

She is smokin hot.

She loves to fuck.

Every thing open.

Great fake tits.

Great personality.

Very cool person to hang out with.

The bad:

She is a pathological liar.

She will tell, say, do anything to get you to give her money.

She has hidden from pics sever mommy tummy. I thought it was no big deal, but it was a turn off for sure. At least for me.

No head game, LOL. Like none.

We met a few times. Things seemed chill. I didn't have a lot of time to devote to it so she was cool with a visit per week. Saw her over a months time span. She travels for her work and she is taking some courses to further her career. I think. LOL. That's what she says she's doing. However after a month of seeing her it becomes clear that she's just going to ask and beg and make you feel like crap if you don't give her an allowance. We couldn't agree on that point so we parted ways. However she still sends messages along for an early Christmas present. She sent her credit card bills that totaled 18,000 and wanted help with them. No matter what I said or did, her listening skills were zero. LOL. She said that it could be a 3 month advance. LOL.

Not for me. Started out great but her true colors came out. Oh well.

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6196513]I had a 21-year-old sugar baby who was going to UW in the spring of last year. The thing that makes it hard for a this arrangement to work out is finding somebody that can hold a conversation and somebody you want to spend time with. The sex is going to make up a very small time of your interaction. Sugar dating imo isn't about sex. It's about finding companionship. Sex is a part of that and their good looks. But you have to want to see them outside of the bedroom. Most of these girls don't meet that criteria. Most of them are ghetto trash. Finding a good girl in society who isn't entitled these days is a challenge even if you aren't sugar dating.[/QUOTE]I think you have to go a bit older to have somebody interesting to talk to. Two examples for me are women in their early 30's (I'm mid 40's). One lawyer, one real estate agent. Both worked hard at their career, I don't think the RE agent was that successful. The lawyer was and I don't think she needed the money.

Good to chat with, hang out, but had busy lives. Both gym rats with amazing bodies. The lawyer especially, never really showed it, one blurry bikini pic on her profile, but when I got her naked the first time I was shocked. Legit IG model level body, loved to fuck. You never know until you try, I think the 30+ women get significantly less traffic on SA.

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After initial meet and greet for which the damage was 200, she is asking me to buy her 1100 $ shoes so that she knows I am serious. This is a prerequisite for her to spend private time. She wants me to buy the shoes in person in the morning so that she will meet me in the evening. I wished her good luck.

[QUOTE=AnimeWeedLord;6201516]So I took a suggestion from Michael and thought I'd share the results. I was in town with a license to play for a bit and just wanted to find someone to have fun with and didn't care about cost (willing to pay 1-2 k if it got me everything I wanted).

I contacted about 50 woman, I focused on the ones that often get posted here that are super hot but demand like 1 k.

None of them wanted to meet. If I agreed to 1 k many would ask for more, ghost me, or block me.

The only one I met was the one posted before "exotic red head". She's real. She's actually way better than her pics. But she agrees to everything in text and then in person once she gets some money (not even all of it! It's all "I don't kiss" "everything is protected" "you can't eat me" some of the worst sex of my life.

I don't know what game they're playing but it seems like all these GPS model girls are actually fake. Because they don't want to meet even when you agree to their insane demands.[/QUOTE]I'm just guessing based on what you write and the numbers you throw around, and my guess is that something that you say or write get's you flagged as a sucker right away. I don't pay anywhere near those rates, I am old, fat, and asian.

Here's a tip: If the woman looks like an instagram thot or could be in a music video, she's going to rip you off.