Red Light is GFE required
Went to their new place in Archer. It's better than that the last but not as good as the original. Felt more secure tho. At first, I was scared because I saw a pig mobile couple blocks away, but Papasan was behind the door as soon as I texted them to open. Unfortunately this security turn to awkwardness and even fear, because good ol Papasan over stepped his boundaries. As first he kept asking about a number in broken English-I didn't know if he asked about my phone number, age, or room to enter. I just kept nodding, till he send me to Cece. Very Young and short. I paid for the hour but Cece asked if I wanted GFE. I said no. She kept giving me the GFE price for the standard hour. I said I only wanted the standard. She called papasan. They argued for a second, as I waited. I finally disrobed and paid her. She called Papasan again, he enter the room while I was butt naked! He asked how much I paid. I answered, and he closed the door. Cece said GFE is better but I didn't feel like paying. As I penetrated, she kept killing the mood talking about GFE. I relented and then that's when the real fun started. To her credit, she went above and beyond. Kissing, massaging, licking and rimming. However I overspend my budget. My advice to you guys, If you are not going to spend for GFE or tip extra, then it's not worth your time. These girls will only put in the effort if you drop heavy cash. Cece, went above and beyond, so I'm not mad that I was pressured into overspending. However, considering other experiences where I drop the 130-160, girls will pressure you or even complain during the session. I get it's a stressful job, but at least be honest about price and service or even raise the cost to 200, if you think 160 is to low (which compare to the average mp, it's a bargain) but don't start pressuring folks into paying for the full package during the middle of the action. Also, papasan walking into us, while naked scared the shit out of me. Sticking to 35 from now on. Girls are older and less attractive but more fun and no papasan to harass you!
Prejudice versus cultural difference.
[QUOTE=ApplePiePussy;5619386]I had a very interesting conversation today with an Asian massage provider
1. 95% of her AA clients tip fairly ($50 to $60) and are friendly / polite. They are not aggressive with her.
2. While the most generous of her clients are White, these are few and far between. She said White people make up the majority of her difficult customers. These are the ones who try to get everything they can for $40. And they are rude / aggressive about it as well.
3. Indian / ME clients are red flags. They are not necessarily aggressive like the cheap White people but they are hagglers and many will walk out without tipping.
4. She does not get a lot of Asian / Oriental customers. When I asked why that is, she said she thinks it's because they prefer FS places.[/QUOTE]
I've had that conversation with providers also and in my experience you can flip your points 1 & 2. They love white middle-aged men. These are the guys that are likely to tip. 60 for a handjob. . 80 for the tits out or even FIV for more. In fact they consider. 40 tippers Cheapskates. They will still take. 40 no doubt but they're not doing anything extra. No touch, no tits out, and you better get off quickly.
Unfortunately, the younger thugs have discovered this Hobby and have an angle. In fact there was a recent incident at another Spa. After a HE that girl went to get the hot towel (you know how they take their time and fuck around with that) the AA customer got up got dressed and left in a hurry. No tip. By the time she got back around the corner, the door chimes were already done ringing. To hear her talk she sounded like she was raped. BTW, that has also happened. You don't hear much about that because they won't call the police.
Mamasan told me that he must do this often. He probably goes to a lot of different spas. They also had some other incidents with tipping. For that reason, the girls will hide in the kitchen and come out and tell them they are busy when they are not or only offer a massage with no HE implied.
Mamasan will usually take them and vet them. And this is the reason why they make new customers tip first. No just AA. But that doesn't always work either, almost every one of these girls has been robbed, whether they take their tip money back or more. It depends on what town you're in I guess. Or even in a big city like Chicago what part of the city.
As far as Asians, another cultural difference. They are very direct. I was at a spa and while I was waiting for the girl I came to see an fairly Young Asian man walked in and called the girl to the side. They went in the room for a second and came back out and he left. After I asked what that was all about she said he basically told her "no fuck or no service" either he was going to get laid or he was leaving. He left in a hurry. He was either embarrassed or on a mission or both. She told me they don't come in for a massage at all. They want to get their business done in 5 minutes or less! And yes, they want FS.
Indians? Yep. Another cultural difference. It is their culture to bargain and it's very annoying. "You give me good deal and I send all my friends" how about you pay regular price and tell your friends you paid full price? It's very annoying. They're also very direct. I've overheard some phone conversations. Things you're not supposed to say over the phone.
