"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2121269]The newest addition to the A team is my jamaican princess. We just had our 6th date last nite and it was the best one yet. This is a slow moving train as she claims to have a BF. I can tell he is a bit of a dick as she is so enamored of my compliments and appreciation of a job well done. She has great skills (and follows directions perfectly) and a killer body. Sometimes being patient can pay off. Only time will tell if this can be a lasting arrangement or not.[/QUOTE]This is an aspect I'm really noticing as well and one that pays huge dividends. We all discussed here how most of these girls likely have deep seeded issues. One of them being from having asshole boyfriends, one after another. It has amazed me how far showing them even just a wee bit of affection and giving a random compliment goes with SOME of these girls. Later, when they open up, they reveal how horribly they have been treated by their BF's Ex's and such. And many of them expect this treatment from all men and when you are genuine, it kind of blows them away.

Now we must avoid allowing them to step on us, of course. It's a balance, maintaining control, letting them know you're in charge, but not going to treat them like dirt at the same time.

One thing I learned a long time ago, is to shower a woman with niceness early on, this creates comfort for her. When she is comfortable with you, pull the niceness back and be a little standoffish for a while, Women instinctually are attracted to a challenge and will work to earn back your niceness you once showed them. It's in their nature. Use this to your advantage. And yes, I have read books on these subjects. LOL.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2121219]I'm addicted to sugar brothers. It's got me by the balls. Is there any hope?[/QUOTE]LOL!! Remember, commas go a long way.

You got me for about 2 seconds. I was like WTF? I saw the thing about "sugar brothers," before I read the post. Then say the balls comment. And I thought, what in the world happened to DD. He is now into sugar brothers? What are those? Wow, did the sugar babies mess him up or what.

After about two seconds, I realized you meant, "I'm addicted to sugar, brothers. ".

Thanks for the laugh of the day. It was good.

Yesterday I said good bye to a 23 yr old Coed who spent two lunches and a night with me over the last couple weeks. I was beginning to grow weary of her constantly texting me with the latest financial problems she was having on what seemed like an hour by hour basis. She would never come out and ask for me to pay for a particular bill, Doctor's appt, or tattoo, but I assumed this was her ultimate goal by keeping me so informed. Yesterday she had another idea.

At lunch she told me that she needed to have a more structured allowance than what I had provided to that point. I had given her cash and a couple gift cards during our visits. She then proceeded to hand me a list of her monthly expenses along with a space at the end of the page with the statement: I _ promise to Pay R_A $1800.00 per month in return for companionship and time spent together".

While sort of new to the the Sugar Bowl, I have not read about nor heard anything like this sort of arrangement before. A monthly allowance yes, but not an actual agreement in writing. I assume this is rare? I knew the moment I read the statement that we were finished. Not wanting to cause a scene I told her I would need to think about it and get back to her later. A few hours later I sent a text thanking her for the opportunity to have an arrangement with her but I had to reluctantly pass. I expected some kind of response but, as of writing this note, I have not heard from her. Has anyone else had a SB request some kind of formal written agreement? For me her action threw up a Red Flag so big I could use it as a comforter on my Bed.

[QUOTE=Rouleur;2121918]Yesterday I said good bye to a 23 yr old Coed who spent two lunches and a night with me over the last couple weeks. I was beginning to grow weary of her constantly texting me with the latest financial problems she was having on what seemed like an hour by hour basis. She would never come out and ask for me to pay for a particular bill, Doctor's appt, or tattoo, but I assumed this was her ultimate goal by keeping me so informed. Yesterday she had another idea.

At lunch she told me that she needed to have a more structured allowance than what I had provided to that point. I had given her cash and a couple gift cards during our visits. She then proceeded to hand me a list of her monthly expenses along with a space at the end of the page with the statement: I _ promise to Pay R_A $1800.00 per month in return for companionship and time spent together".

While sort of new to the the Sugar Bowl, I have not read about nor heard anything like this sort of arrangement before. A monthly allowance yes, but not an actual agreement in writing. I assume this is rare? I knew the moment I read the statement that we were finished. Not wanting to cause a scene I told her I would need to think about it and get back to her later. A few hours later I sent a text thanking her for the opportunity to have an arrangement with her but I had to reluctantly pass. I expected some kind of response but, as of writing this note, I have not heard from her. Has anyone else had a SB request some kind of formal written agreement? For me her action threw up a Red Flag so big I could use it as a comforter on my Bed.[/QUOTE]That's one I've never heard before! I would have a hard time trying to contain my laughter as I read that. I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that "contract" wouldn't hold an ounce of weight in court.

[QUOTE=Rouleur;2121918]Yesterday I said good bye to a 23 yr old Coed who spent two lunches and a night with me over the last couple weeks. I was beginning to grow weary of her constantly texting me with the latest financial problems she was having on what seemed like an hour by hour basis. She would never come out and ask for me to pay for a particular bill, Doctor's appt, or tattoo, but I assumed this was her ultimate goal by keeping me so informed. Yesterday she had another idea.

At lunch she told me that she needed to have a more structured allowance than what I had provided to that point. I had given her cash and a couple gift cards during our visits. She then proceeded to hand me a list of her monthly expenses along with a space at the end of the page with the statement: I _ promise to Pay R_A $1800.00 per month in return for companionship and time spent together".

While sort of new to the the Sugar Bowl, I have not read about nor heard anything like this sort of arrangement before. A monthly allowance yes, but not an actual agreement in writing. I assume this is rare? I knew the moment I read the statement that we were finished. Not wanting to cause a scene I told her I would need to think about it and get back to her later. A few hours later I sent a text thanking her for the opportunity to have an arrangement with her but I had to reluctantly pass. I expected some kind of response but, as of writing this note, I have not heard from her. Has anyone else had a SB request some kind of formal written agreement? For me her action threw up a Red Flag so big I could use it as a comforter on my Bed.[/QUOTE]This girl is whack.

21. Mixed spinner. A bi girl I suspect has utr status. But who am I to judge?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2122097]This girl is whack.[/QUOTE]Not only is she Whack, she has some whack (friends) advisors.

Maybe a carry over affect from the Sterling drama.

Last week, my SDT SB tried to hook me up with her roommate. After roomie and I texted for a bit, I declined a meeting with her as I was feeling no connection with her and there was a couple of red flags in her behavior that didn't appeal to me. Also I was still seeing my free spirit SB, so I needed to keep an eye on my funds and make sure I had enough to keep seeing her and still keep SDT SB around too.

Yesterday, the roomie texted me again, hoping to meet and "see where things go from there". Since free spirit SB is no longer in the picture, I'm much more amenable to meeting the roomie. Have a meeting with her in about 90 minutes, I'll give details later.

[QUOTE=Rouleur;2121918]
At lunch she told me that she needed to have a more structured allowance than what I had provided to that point. I had given her cash and a couple gift cards during our visits. She then proceeded to hand me a list of her monthly expenses along with a space at the end of the page with the statement: I _ promise to Pay R_A $1800.00 per month in return for companionship and time spent together".
[/QUOTE]If an SB handed me something like that over lunch, she better hope I didn't have a mouth full of food or drink, because the spit-take I would have been unable to control due to laughter would have left a mess on her face and hair. That's one of the nuttiest things I've heard yet here, but then again I say the same about these BDSM slave contracts I hear about, maybe that's where she got the idea.

A couple of nights ago on Nightline they ran a repeat of a story about SD / SBs that mentioned the SA website and featured some words from the guy that owns SA. He said "anyone who is trading sex for money is in violation of our terms of service", and they were talking about the reason SD sites are legal in the first place is because the man is paying for companionship rather than sex.

So, between watching that and reading your story about that nutty girl's contract, it just occurred to me how it would be very easy to get locked into a legal verbal contract (verified through things like text and e-mail) to provide ongoing financial support in return for companionship only. If the girl can prove that you agreed to provide money (for of course companionship), she could have you over the barrels in court, because you would have no (legal) out, and she would only be on the hook to spend time with you, not to provide sex (even trying to argue that you were owed sex as part of the contract could get you arrested).

So guys be careful what you agree to out there, even casually in conversation. The girl could be recording the conversation using her phone (perfectly legal without her informing you she's recording it in many states).

While it's hard to imagine any judge siding with one of these girls, who knows -- a nutty female judge with a Barney Fife "to the letter of the law" attitude might rake you over the coals just to prove a point, just because you're male and she thinks you're old enough to know better, because from the legal point of view, these girls easily have full command of the situation.

I much prefer the way I do it. No mention of what they will get, I gift them based on performance after each fuck.

Just got back from a brief M&G with the roomie of my SDT SB. She's a very cute 20 YO. She's maybe 5'0", petite build. Very quiet and soft-spoken, almost shy. She claims to have never been in a sugar relationship before, which I believe as I can't find a single trace of her on any of the SD / SB sites. She said that hearing my SDT SB talk about her experiences with me led her to be interested in giving it a try. She's bi and is open to being in a threesome with my SDT SB and myself. She says that she is sexually submissive and loves being spanked and dominated. Our M&G was briefer than I thought it was going to be, but she says that she will get back to me later today with her work schedule so we can try and figure out when our first FC date will happen.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2122291]Just got back from a brief M&G with the roomie of my SDT SB. She's a very cute 20 YO. She's maybe 5'0", petite build. Very quiet and soft-spoken, almost shy. She claims to have never been in a sugar relationship before, which I believe as I can't find a single trace of her on any of the SD / SB sites. She said that hearing my SDT SB talk about her experiences with me led her to be interested in giving it a try. She's bi and is open to being in a threesome with my SDT SB and myself. She says that she is sexually submissive and loves being spanked and dominated. Our M&G was briefer than I thought it was going to be, but she says that she will get back to me later today with her work schedule so we can try and figure out when our first FC date will happen.[/QUOTE]Looking good.

No matter how much biching and moaning we do. We do get to date a lot of hot girls.

[QUOTE=Rouleur;2121918]
Wanted the Arrangement on Paper?

Yesterday I said good bye to a 23 yr old Coed Edit I was beginning to grow weary of her constantly texting me with the latest financial problems she was having on what seemed like an hour by hour basis. Edit At lunch she told me that she needed to have a more structured allowance than what I had provided to that point. I had given her cash and a couple gift cards during our visits. She then proceeded to hand me a list of her monthly expenses along with a space at the end of the page with the statement: I _ promise to Pay R_A $1800.00 per month in return for companionship and time spent together". Edit I knew the moment I read the statement that we were finished. Not wanting to cause a scene I told her I would need to think about it and get back to her later. A few hours later I sent a text thanking her for the opportunity to have an arrangement with her but I had to reluctantly pass. Edit [/QUOTE]Rouleur, good you haven't heard back. If she contacts you again not responding further would be the best response. She'll figure it out. Good she has no way to find you personally.

I read the form every day. My situation is different in that I don't live in the you. S, I travel to the you. S every quarter and it's always to the same city. My initial goal was to meet a female in the area that I travel to and develop an arrangement where it is not only based exclusively on finances. An arrangement where I would provide gifts, wine & dine and help with funds when needed, that's was my objective. Just so you guys know, I used SDFME exclusively to meet these girls.

I don't know if my approach is wrong maybe I could get some advice so that I could be more successful on my next trip.

I know my target would have to be non- pros who may be just be interested in wining and dining, you know a guy to treat them nice.

In preparation for my trip, I tried to have atleast four options lined up. I'll call them Plan A, Plan be, Plan see, and Plan the.

Plan A, I've been talking to her since October of last year but my two previous trips I was unable to meet with her due to various reasons. I didn't want to push her so I just let it slide because I knew she wasn't too comfortable with meeting on the two previous trips. And it wouldn't make sense driving almost two hours to be flaked on. But she would send me pictures regularly or whenever I ask for them including nudes, she liked sexting sometimes. So she would just send me a messaging saying, that I am horny.

I view her as a long-term project so I willing to be patience but I'm think I should explore my options, but lord knows it's really hard to keep a 19 year old attention. She claims to really like me and appreciate the advice and talks that I give her. She claimed that I am the only person who actually looks out for her and push her to succeed; she stated her mother doesn't even support or believe in her. I don't take it seriously because her actions don't sync with her words. At times she would text me every morning before I leave for work and sometimes she just goes cold for a few days or even a week. (I have a google voice account, so that's how we keep in contact with the app).

On this trip we finally met, I took her out to a movie, during the movie I pull her close to me. She ended up resting her head on my lap, while watching the movie. During that time I played with her ears and kiss her own her neck. Afterwards we went to a restaurant afterwards nothing expensive. We talk for a while and eat I really enjoyed it. Sex wasn't on the menu due to her monthly or so she claimed, but I didn't mind because I'm thinking long-term. Meaning that I could have something line up every time I visit at minimal cost. I hoping to hit the FC next trip with this one.

My writing skills isn't the best.

Correction of the typo for the first sentence in part 1.

I read the form every day. My situation is different in that I don't live in you. S, I travel to the you. S every quarter and it's always to the same city.

Plan be.

I met her on a previous trip, we talked every now and again via what's app. She sends me nudes all the time. When I was on a previous trip, I tooked her out to dinner and we talked a lot. She was really happy and she couldn't get over how we talked nonstop. She stated that most guys can't hold a conversation. Since I met her previously I made plans to head straight to the FC, when I came back to town. Unfortunately things didn't work out, she lives with her parents and it was an issue trying to get our schedules to line up because she could only meet at a certain time. And at that time I couldn't meet her. At this point I am batting 0/2, maybe on my next trip.

Plan see.

Well let's just say I didn't actually plan for it to get to this point, I talked to her for a few weeks leading up to the trip. We would have great conversations but physically she wasn't my type but I wanted to hold her on reserve just in case things didn't work out with Plan A and be. I had just plan for her to give me some oral and then we could have sex, since she like to be dominated. I was really interested in that part. Unfortunately when I met her my mind couldn't do it, I wasn't interested anymore. I thought I could get pass the deficiencies. I passed on this one. Batting 0/3 now.

Plan the.

Now onto Plan the, this was supposed to be just sex, I would be in and out. We didn't discuss sugar in advance I just told her that I was reward her based on performance and I think this may have been a mistake on my end maybe, I should have just let her know the amount upfront, which was $. I'll give you guys the back story. I started talking to her a few weeks before my trip and it was great. I thought she was a nice non pro, until she ask for me to advance her $280 before we even met. I told her that I was unwilling to do that since we haven't seen each other yet. From that point on I lost interest because it made her same like a pro and I notice she was on the website every day. I stopped communicating with her, about a week before my trip. I just sent her a message asking if she was just willing to meet and head to FC right away she was good with that. That's how she became Plan the.

I contacted her after I striked out with Plan A, be, and see. So I arrived at her place and she doesn't look exactly like how her pictures are. Everything is the same except she has a large stomach, which was a strike for me. But I continued and went inside since I was there already. I walked pass her roommate another female. And we are in the room and we talked briefly due to her dog barking at the door. She took her phone with her and she was outside of the room for a while. When she came back inside she wanted to know how much before she started to do anything, so I found myself negotiating before the act. Which was a bad idea, this was my first time so I was like $0. 60 and if it's good, I would make it $. Looking back at it that was a lowball offer the. 60. But it was my first time. I was thinking the bonus would be like a performance enhancer. So she was like she couldn't work with that. So I told her $ and she was like $ and, meaning she wanted more than that. But I didn't think she was worth it, after I saw her stomach. I told her I didn't want to waste her time so I left. As soon as I walked out the front door I notice to guys walking towards her front door, it was almost 2 am in the morning. I don't know but I thought it may have been a set up or something because she took her phone with her out of the room and made a call earlier while she moved her dog. I could be wrong but I felt I got out just in time. And these guys didn't look too friendly to put it nicely. The next day she text me asking if I had enough money because she knew I could have gone to have ATM, that's why she didn't accept my offer. I text her back stating that money wasn't the issue. And I never got a response back from her.

Once again I apologize for the writing.