Non Pro's

[QUOTE=Merovingian2;6173520]If you're 40+ and interested in being an occasional wingman spit-roasting 19-23 yo, send me a PM. Bonus points if you're a tech bro cause you guys know how to do it LOL.[/QUOTE]Is this with Ari?

[QUOTE=KnoxNenters;6170815]Let's hear from both sides.

TL; DR: Girl wants sliding scale for hourly time. $200/ hr for platonic, unknown for intimate. She's really nice, not a pro, can't host, lives far away. She spent a lot of time with me on a meet and greet, coming in from her city to meet me, doing special things, sending texts. She seems like a great girl, but I think she has the wrong approach on how to do this. I told her I couldn't justify spending all that platonic time with her wondering if she'd ever decide she wanted intimacy, as a higher price as well. What would you advise her if she were to read your response in comments?
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If she were to read your comments about this, what would you want her to know, in terms of her rates and angle?[/QUOTE]You're getting a long and expensive ride on a slow boat to nowhere. Don't be a sap or a sucker.

It is important to remember that some are not full on pros.

So texting from multiple random numbers are more likely to get them to just up and quit.

Plus. It might get some to seek revenge, which is worse.

Sorry for being unclear.

What I'd expect at an hourly rate is that they are 100 percent available when I want them on short notice. And if they can't make it they can arrange for a suitable substitute.

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6173379]Only absolute pro's and scammers ask for prepayment before you guys have even met.[/QUOTE]My little twist on that scam was when we switched to text and "she" asked for $$ for "naughty" pics (no one under 40 uses that word). I refused and was countered with "at least something for dinner" so I said I had a $100 gift card for Canlis I'd be happy to hand over at the m&g. Third ask for cash was when I simple signed off and blocked. I'm guessing these aren't individuals but catfish farms.

[QUOTE=KnoxNenters;6170815]Let's hear from both sides.

TL; DR: Girl wants sliding scale for hourly time. $200/ hr for platonic, unknown for intimate. She's really nice, not a pro, can't host, lives far away. She spent a lot of time with me on a meet and greet, coming in from her city to meet me, doing special things, sending texts. She seems like a great girl, but I think she has the wrong approach on how to do this. I told her I couldn't justify spending all that platonic time with her wondering if she'd ever decide she wanted intimacy, as a higher price as well. What would you advise her if she were to read your response in comments?

THE DETAILS:

I don't want to out this wonderful woman. She's a genuine sweeatheart, and we had a really wonderful meet & greet. She's gorgeous, a head-turner, smart and easy to fall in love with. Not a pro. We spent a solid 4+ hours together, walked a couple of miles, drinks and late lunch, time watching the sunset at the beach. Super compatible, a genuine connection. And that was just the m&g. So understand as I ask about this that I have respect for her, and we should always be kind, regardless of her age, profession, situation of need or approach to this whole endeavor. Having said that, here's details on her approach.

We booked a second get-together. She insisted we let her be ready for intimacy after she's comfortable with the relationship. So this 2nd 'date' was planned with no presumptions for intimacy. But it suddenly became time to get to the numbers. She admitted it was an awkward topic. Especially because she wanted a structure where I compensate her for her time at an hourly rate. She asked me what I thought would be an amount I would pay for an evening of fun, but no intimacy yet. I offered $300. She responded that she was thinking that amount PER HOUR. Platonic![/QUOTE]200 an hour for platonic? Only a simp would pay that or even consider still talking to her after that. You aren't getting anything from this girl and just wasting your time. She clearly thinks very highly of herself that just talking to her and eating at the same table as her is worth 200 an hour.

[QUOTE=Bronco62;6172746]She contacted me after I looked at her profile. She was ready to meet, offered the same 500 per hour or 250 half hour. Sent me an address a block of Hosmer in Tacoma. Blocked.[/QUOTE]🤣129315;129315;129315;129315;129315;129315;129315;129315;129315;.

[QUOTE=KnoxNenters;6170815]Let's hear from both sides.

TL; DR: Girl wants sliding scale for hourly time. $200/ hr for platonic, unknown for intimate. She's really nice, not a pro, can't host, lives far away. She spent a lot of time with me on a meet and greet, coming in from her city to meet me, doing special things, sending texts. She seems like a great girl, but I think she has the wrong approach on how to do this. I told her I couldn't justify spending all that platonic time with her wondering if she'd ever decide she wanted intimacy, as a higher price as well. What would you advise her if she were to read your response in comments?

THE DETAILS:

I don't want to out this wonderful woman. She's a genuine sweeatheart, and we had a really wonderful meet & greet. She's gorgeous, a head-turner, smart and easy to fall in love with. Not a pro. We spent a solid 4+ hours together, walked a couple of miles, drinks and late lunch, time watching the sunset at the beach. Super compatible, a genuine connection. And that was just the m&g. So understand as I ask about this that I have respect for her, and we should always be kind, regardless of her age, profession, situation of need or approach to this whole endeavor. Having said that, here's details on her approach.

We booked a second get-together. She insisted we let her be ready for intimacy after she's comfortable with the relationship. So this 2nd 'date' was planned with no presumptions for intimacy. But it suddenly became time to get to the numbers. She admitted it was an awkward topic. Especially because she wanted a structure where I compensate her for her time at an hourly rate. She asked me what I thought would be an amount I would pay for an evening of fun, but no intimacy yet. I offered $300. She responded that she was thinking that amount PER HOUR. Platonic!

I gasped a bit. Would you?

I countered with $500 for the evening total. She wanted an hourly number. She texted me after the call asking for $200/ hr. I agreed to 3 hours at that rate, but as a flat rate, regardless of activity, going forward. IOW, whether platonic or intimate, it would be $200/ h now and later. My thinking was that as long as she's going to hem and haw about the duration and rate, I should get an agreement for all activity at one rate. I figured at 3 hours, an intimate encounter at $600 was kind of the going rate here for a 20-30 with a great body and attractive appearance / personality.

Other cost factors: She lives in a city 60 miles from Seattle, so she shouldn't be pricing herself at Seattle rates, IMO. I would additionally cover the gas, $200 hotel room and incidentals. So all-in, possibly $900 for an encounter. That's a lot, in general. Definitely above my preference. I doubt many of you would either. If you were filthy rich you wouldn't be trolling a shitty forum like this to talk about the used goods out there.

If she were to read your comments about this, what would you want her to know, in terms of her rates and angle?[/QUOTE]I payed 50 for a platonic meet and greet with a SB once. Never again. She never offered anything more than platonic. I learned my lesson, fool me once.

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6175959]200 an hour for platonic? Only a simp would pay that or even consider still talking to her after that. You aren't getting anything from this girl and just wasting your time. She clearly thinks very highly of herself that just talking to her and eating at the same table as her is worth 200 an hour.[/QUOTE]The fact that some women truly believe their platonic time is worth ANY money at all, let alone hundreds per hour, is unbelievably delusional and extremely narcissistic. It's cause they're young and hot and get along of attention from men, but they fail to realize it's usually only their looks that are in anyway attractive. Big yikes.

Quoted $1 k for the first date. I wish her well.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/faba9226-0361-41e5-b2cd-d08bb44f57b1[/URL]

[QUOTE=Irwin18;6176745]Quoted $1 k for the first date. I wish her well.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/faba9226-0361-41e5-b2cd-d08bb44f57b1[/URL][/QUOTE]Hahahha. Look at those rolls on her too.

I am new to the whole non pro scene. Have never really been an official sugar daddy before, not in a semi pro way anyways. I am talking to this girl on fetlife who is looking for a sugar daddy. She is right up my alley. Start with a meet and greet and see how we get along? What do you think I should start at ppm? How long is an average date for usually?

Made me drive all the way to Tacoma and then said she changed her mind (w / o even seeing me).

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0790767c-df40-4923-9633-53c334292206[/URL]

Perfectredheadbaby hit me up on SA for more $ then her pro rate.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/65d57196-a90a-438d-9bd9-f23b719acf19[/URL]

This is her from the this site.

[URL]https://www.tnaboard.com/member.php?572146-elegantemma[/URL]

I would never see anyone that young but just goes to show you need to double check.

[QUOTE=GreenCandles;6176491]The fact that some women truly believe their platonic time is worth ANY money at all, let alone hundreds per hour, is unbelievably delusional and extremely narcissistic. It's cause they're young and hot and get along of attention from men, but they fail to realize it's usually only their looks that are in anyway attractive. Big yikes.[/QUOTE]Exactly! Ever notice how the young ones (millennial etc) that have not really lived through a recession or rough times, have this sense of entitlement to everything. Again I am not generalizing but Most that I come across (not just in the hobby, but also in my personal life at work etc) have this sense of entitlement and literally break down when hit with a difficult challenge. Honestly we need another depression before a lot these people will learn the value of a dollar. Anyway not trying to preach but you are absolutely right in your observation.