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[QUOTE=RoadStar01;1605991]Damn you Vegas. Damn you to hell. I was THIS close to seeing her before she ditched Boston. Had started the text exchange, just lining up a day to get down to Walpole where she was hosting. FML[/QUOTE]I am actually going to Vegas next month. LOL. I'll say hi to her for you guys.
[QUOTE=Zanderwild; 1605226]Saw that there was a blonde in mattapan so I hoped on it. Wen to the spot, and guess what she wasnt white or a blonde. But she was aite. Fat little bootie, a real spinner type. She was more spanish than mixed couldn't have passed for a white girl. She quoted 100 for anal, but I wasnt about having shite on my penis, so we had a rushed sex session. Head was good, then doggy. All for a buck. I won't repeat. Then she asks me for a ride you to river, she's trying to score drugs. Tells me she'll smash me more when we get back. I drop her off and leave her, I'm good.
[url]http://boston.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/new-sweet-and-sexy-blonde-babydoll-all-for-your-enjoymenttry-me-20/21471760[/url][/QUOTE]I was going to see her as well, thanks for the heads up.
I know this girl has been reviewed in one of the forums here about 6 months ago, but I can't seem to find anything. Can anyone point me to it or give any feedback? TIA.
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[url]http://boston.backpage.com/BodyRubs/let-me-pamper-you-with-a-nude-body-rub-22/21474993[/url]
[QUOTE=HowardSprague; 1612824]I know this girl has been reviewed in one of the forums here about 6 months ago, but I can't seem to find anything. Can anyone point me to it or give any feedback? TIA.
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[url]http://boston.backpage.com/BodyRubs/let-me-pamper-you-with-a-nude-body-rub-22/21474993[/url][/QUOTE]Howard.
I sent a pm with a very important question and you have not responded. This post indicates that you have logged in and in fact must have seen my pm. Please respond ASAP
[QUOTE=Pw Herman; 1613305]Howard.
I sent a pm with a very important question and you have not responded. This post indicates that you have logged in and in fact must have seen my pm. Please respond ASAP[/QUOTE]Now ya got me curious bro LOL. Whats the important question hahaha.
Has anyone ever been to this place in Canton. I am totally confused as to what they offer and when I call they refuse to say. Post says they offer JUST TIME at 30 min for $200 and up to $300 for sensory time but don't come expecting anything, just relaxation time. It would be interesting to find out what one can expect. The suspense makes you want to go and fins out but I am not sure I want to put myself through that and be wasting TIME. My TIME and Money. Any help on here?
Jo
[QUOTE=Joseph Alley; 1613652]Has anyone ever been to this place in Canton. I am totally confused as to what they offer and when I call they refuse to say. Post says they offer JUST TIME at 30 min for $200 and up to $300 for sensory time but don't come expecting anything, just relaxation time. It would be interesting to find out what one can expect. The suspense makes you want to go and fins out but I am not sure I want to put myself through that and be wasting TIME. My TIME and Money. Any help on here?
Jo[/QUOTE]Tried this venue about 6 months ago. This is a black MILF type, medium build with a big ass. It's located in a Condo / apt in Canton on a main road. She will have you change in the Bathroom and meet her in the (massage room) just a bed room. She slabbers oil all over you, no massage skills and HE is only fair. When leaving she said she wanted to provide full service on me next time?
It was a big waste of money. She also charged me 300 for the first hour and told me 200 next time. Won't be a next time for me.
[QUOTE=Muddy53; 1613677]Tried this venue about 6 months ago. This is a black MILF type, medium build with a big ass. It's located in a Condo / apt in Canton on a main road. She will have you change in the Bathroom and meet her in the (massage room) just a bed room. She slabbers oil all over you, no massage skills and HE is only fair. When leaving she said she wanted to provide full service on me next time?
It was a big waste of money. She also charged me 300 for the first hour and told me 200 next time. Won't be a next time for me.[/QUOTE]No shit I have called atleast 7 times with never a return call, glad for that now thanks
This the one with "Time" in the title? Add reads like a FS in call, glad I never tried it.
[QUOTE=Muddy53; 1613677]Tried this venue about 6 months ago. This is a black MILF type, medium build with a big ass. It's located in a Condo / apt in Canton on a main road. She will have you change in the Bathroom and meet her in the (massage room) just a bed room. She slabbers oil all over you, no massage skills and HE is only fair. When leaving she said she wanted to provide full service on me next time?
It was a big waste of money. She also charged me 300 for the first hour and told me 200 next time. Won't be a next time for me.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=The Antagonist; 1611963][url]http://boston.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/f-i-v-e-s-t-a-r-i-t-a-l-i-a-n-beauty-call-me-now-xoxo-21/20891378[/url]
Anybody got ant info on this chick?[/QUOTE]Two call system, low range hotel. Good looking girl, nice titties a little thicker around the middle than pictured but not gross or even close to gross. Not very into the acting role of the business. Dropped the donation 140 and then came the story about how she was just starting her period so FS was off the table. Covered BJ, worked it a bit but she was robotic and not really into it, so I made the best of it with a titty fuck and a pearl necklace (facial not on the menu either) to finish up. Repeat, not so much. YMMV, let us know if it does.
[QUOTE=SouthShoreAlex;1614020]Two call system, low range hotel. Good looking girl, nice titties a little thicker around the middle than pictured but not gross or even close to gross. Not very into the acting role of the business. Dropped the donation 140 and then came the story about how she was just starting her period so FS was off the table. Covered BJ, worked it a bit but she was robotic and not really into it, so I made the best of it with a titty fuck and a pearl necklace (facial not on the menu either) to finish up. Repeat, not so much. YMMV, let us know if it does.[/QUOTE]I think she pulled the same trick based on an earlier report.
Hello everyone here's a girl I met on BP. Nice and cool chick but she def has fake pics.
Called her on a Friday night, she was running specials for $. Def hit her up for some fun. Looked at the pics and did some research they were not really hers. Still went ahead and decided to give it a try. Asked what she looked like before she came over. She said she was 5'1 120 lbs. I love short petite chicks so I was all in. Gave her my location and she said she was 15 mins away. Came in and asked immediately to use the bathroom. Don't know what she was doing in there but she didn't take too long. She looked like she was on something, maybe smoked a doobie or something to that extent haha.
Still looked cute though. Nice ass, semi perky tits. Does have a belly though, she has a child so the extra skin is visible while on all fours but not when on her back. She said she was from Maine and was here for only the weekends. Got down to business BBBJ all the way, very erotic. Very accommodating as well, told her what position and she did it. Also dabbed in some DATY, very clean smelling. Really loved it, got into and came a couple of times. Said she was new at the biz, has done it a couple of months now. She goes back to Maine during the week. She was a clockwatcher though, thats the minus part. Reminded me of time spent together which was kind of a turn off, still managed to get through it though. Also said she has outfits and lingerie which is a plus if your into those things. After she sent me a face pic. I think she thought I was someone else that was trying to contact her. Apologies if it is too small.
Safe travels everyone.
Here is the ad on BP (in case link does not work) and the link:
Hi my name is Mariah. I am sexy and discreet and safe. I am a hot brunnet. If you want to have fun with me I can show you lots of fun. Just call me 2075782834 I will be waiting.
Poster's age: 22.
• Location: Boston / Camb / Brook, Out Calls all night.
• Post ID: 21527315 boston.
[url]http://boston.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/russian-hottieready-to-fulfill-your-every-desire-22/21527315[/url]
Anyone have a review of Ashley, a carribbean girl located south of the cuity in Norwood?
Any info would be appreciated.
Tracy is a pretty young ebony girl who's been recently advertising incall in Dedham. She's a real hardbody cutie who only got into the biz 5 months ago but likes the money. She does enjoy her own "O" (via DATY) ; she's not a GFE (CBJ, no kissing) but otherwise anxious to please.
100/150 half / hr. I opted for the latter but was rushed out in 25 minutes. The excuse was that she was sharing the room with another gal, a blonde Russian ("Brooke" on BP) who waited in the bathroom, smoking, while Tracy and I had our session. Tracy claimed that Brooke had her own calls to take which was why I was encouraged to race to the finish and sent on my way.
I would see Tracy again but only schedule the half hour. I will definitely try Brooke in the near future (being prepared for the smell of cigarettes). Both ladies use real pics on BP and I've got to give them credit for that.
One other thing - there were three hotel laundry bags of used sheets & towels by the door suggesting high volume and I'd be concerned that this might raise unwanted suspicions by the maid service.
You saw brooke? And that was her pics on the backpage? There is two different ones, just want to make sure before I take the plunge. Thanks for any info.
[QUOTE=Keigy; 1615244]Tracy is a pretty young ebony girl who's been recently advertising incall in Dedham. She's a real hardbody cutie who only got into the biz 5 months ago but likes the money. She does enjoy her own "O" (via DATY) ; she's not a GFE (CBJ, no kissing) but otherwise anxious to please.
100/150 half / hr. I opted for the latter but was rushed out in 25 minutes. The excuse was that she was sharing the room with another gal, a blonde Russian ("Brooke" on BP) who waited in the bathroom, smoking, while Tracy and I had our session. Tracy claimed that Brooke had her own calls to take which was why I was encouraged to race to the finish and sent on my way.
I would see Tracy again but only schedule the half hour. I will definitely try Brooke in the near future (being prepared for the smell of cigarettes). Both ladies use real pics on BP and I've got to give them credit for that.
One other thing. There were three hotel laundry bags of used sheets & towels by the door suggesting high volume and I'd be concerned that this might raise unwanted suspicions by the maid service.[/QUOTE]
Hello,
I apologize if this ad has been discussed already on this forum, but my search attempts have failed to find the thread. If there's no info, I may TOFTT.
Real Deal Massage; by Sexy and Sweet Certified Massage Therapist. 28.
All-American! Beautiful, and caring female C. M. T. I am trained in MANY aspects of therapeutic massage, form deep-tissue to energy healing and everything in between! I offer a great massage with a sensual twist! You're bound to love my classy and sweet personality, while being sweep away by my rare good looks. This massage really is The best of both worlds! NOT AN ESCORT SERVICE!
Call today, come see me today:
*82 (857) 654-2122.
*82 (781) 538-4384.
Poster's age: 28.
• Location: Boston, Exit 28, off 128.
• Post ID: 21545948 boston
Hi All.
#1:
Did the search on this one. Amara . Definitely saw some footprint from Google, certainly advertisement. Offering $200 / hr, but want to understand how the experience is, and what the menu / upsell is. She looks hot. I did RTFF, but didn't find what I was looking for.
[url]http://massachusetts.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sultry-tall-skilled-massage-goddess-best-theraputic-and-sensual-massage-27/20975382[/url]
#2:
Also, have seen this recently on BP. Enticing, but there is not enough testimony to TOFFT. Does anyone have information? Claims be be in the Merrimack Region.
[url]www.dayspaforgentlemen.com[/url]
Thanks in advance gentlemen!
[QUOTE=Ampdude 2003; 1615788]Hi All.
#1:
Did the search on this one. Amara. Definitely saw some footprint from Google, certainly advertisement. Offering $200 / hr, but want to understand how the experience is, and what the menu / upsell is. She looks hot. I did RTFF, but didn't find what I was looking for.
[url]http://massachusetts.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sultry-tall-skilled-massage-goddess-best-theraputic-and-sensual-massage-27/20975382[/url]
#2:
Also, have seen this recently on BP. Enticing, but there is not enough testimony to TOFFT. Does anyone have information? Claims be be in the Merrimack Region.
[url]www.dayspaforgentlemen.com[/url]
Thanks in advance gentlemen![/QUOTE]Amara is on BP and on eros but different name, phone and price. So call from BP number as it is cheaper, pics not her but ones on eros are or closer to her, she is tall and attractive, but you get HJ only and will pay more for bigger menu.
Day spa has many girls that change over, some pretty others not, definate HJ others have bigger menu but I never had and upsell it was just tip what you feel is right.
[QUOTE=Rogue05; 1615756]Hello,
I apologize if this ad has been discussed already on this forum, but my search attempts have failed to find the thread. If there's no info, I may TOFTT.
Real Deal Massage; by Sexy and Sweet Certified Massage Therapist. 28.
All-American! Beautiful, and caring female C. M. T. I am trained in MANY aspects of therapeutic massage, form deep-tissue to energy healing and everything in between! I offer a great massage with a sensual twist! You're bound to love my classy and sweet personality, while being sweep away by my rare good looks. This massage really is The best of both worlds! NOT AN ESCORT SERVICE!
Call today, come see me today:
*82 (857) 654-2122.
*82 (781) 538-4384.
Poster's age: 28.
• Location: Boston, Exit 28, off 128.
• Post ID: 21545948 boston[/QUOTE]U will be upsold big time and not a CMT
[QUOTE=Misterm;1615703]You saw brooke? And that was her pics on the backpage? There is two different ones, just want to make sure before I take the plunge. Thanks for any info.[/QUOTE]Her ad says "one in a million"
[QUOTE=Keigy;1615947]Her ad says "one in a million"[/QUOTE]She is the glove lady, who upsells.
I will never repeat
So, it's been about a month since I've visited with my current ATF, Tiffany in Lynn (boy, does that sound like a porn movie). Anyway I can't seem to get in contact with her and she doesn't have any ads up at the moment. Not quite sure what to make of it. Anyway, I was in the mood and saw this ad:
[url]http://boston.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/100-real-curves-lucious-booty-things-your-wife-wont-do-new-pics-22/21137919[/url]
She advertised a few days ago, and again today, so I called. My usual Modus Operandi when seeing someone new is to go for a quick "in and out", meaning no FS, for (comparatively) short money. We agreed on $50.
Anyway, not bad looking, pleasant woman, but not the person in the photos. Maybe the backside, but not the face shots. A bit chunky and breasts seemed sagging a bit, so I'm thinking she might have recently given birth. The breasts are real though.
She starts with a HJ and when I said I expected a BJ, she counters with she doesn't have any condoms. I find that to not be credible.
So, not bad, but I would not repeat as we agreed upon one thing, but got something else.
I do hope Tiffany comes back on the scene soon.
I have seen holly before. She's legit. If you are into good looking black female, you should try her. Her picture is real.
[url]http://boston.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/true-exotic-beauty-come-play-well-reviewed-21/20728265[/url]
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Could have been worse. At least you didn't pay 120 for an incomplete HJ like the guy on the other site. See 'kurvee kim'.
[QUOTE=Energizerbunne; 1616188]So, it's been about a month since I've visited with my current ATF, Tiffany in Lynn (boy, does that sound like a porn movie). Anyway I can't seem to get in contact with her and she doesn't have any ads up at the moment. Not quite sure what to make of it. Anyway, I was in the mood and saw this ad:
[url]http://boston.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/100-real-curves-lucious-booty-things-your-wife-wont-do-new-pics-22/21137919[/url]
[snipped it][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=IvIax; 1616199]I have seen holly before. She's legit. If you are into good looking black female, you should try her. Her picture is real.
[url]http://boston.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/true-exotic-beauty-come-play-well-reviewed-21/20728265[/url]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]217152[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]Why, should we try her besides "good looking black female"? Is she cheap?
Not her pics so I can only assume the rest of what you say is bullshit. Someone is shilling for her on the other site as well. Probably you.
[QUOTE=IvIax; 1616199]I have seen holly before. She's legit. If you are into good looking black female, you should try her. Her picture is real.
[url]http://boston.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/true-exotic-beauty-come-play-well-reviewed-21/20728265[/url]
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Edit: After looking at her reviews, however - they are excellent! About 10 reviews over there and they approximately average 8 and 8. If you want to shill for this girl, fine. However, know that you can cost her business if you aren't totally honest. The girl in the pics is Topaz West, but you probably already know that.
Have to wonder why these girls use such obvious fakes as that is usually a cue to dismiss.
[QUOTE=LoveLatin05;1616312]Why, should we try her besides "good looking black female"? Is she cheap?[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/show.asp?id=208138[/url]
No shi. Obviously a fake. Even if the girl is a porn star, she could easily be a Cowboys cheerleader. She ain't selling her ass on backpage, that's for sure. Can't believe anyone would say "yep, saw her. Pics legit." and expect us to believe it.
[QUOTE=Werm2011; 1616320]Not her pics so I can only assume the rest of what you say is bullshit. Someone is shilling for her on the other site as well. Probably you.
Edit: After looking at her reviews, however. They are excellent! About 10 reviews over there and they approximately average 8 and 8. If you want to shill for this girl, fine. However, know that you can cost her business if you aren't totally honest. The girl in the pics is Topaz West, but you probably already know that.
Have to wonder why these girls use such obvious fakes as that is usually a cue to dismiss.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WhenWhen;1616392]No shi. Obviously a fake. Even if the girl is a porn star, she could easily be a Cowboys cheerleader. She ain't selling her ass on backpage, that's for sure. Can't believe anyone would say "yep, saw her. Pics legit." and expect us to believe it.[/QUOTE]Every now and then chicks that have done porn or model will escort and not use the porn name.
Topaz Happens to have a large Tattoo on her abdomen, people that have seen this holly chick don't seem to remember a tattoo.
Porn stars you may have missed.
[url]http://massachusetts.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/main-attraction_-amazing-playful-sexy-p-nch-blonde-23/20207024[/url]
[url]http://southcoast.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/100-real-pics-brand-new-sooo-hot-its-me-or-its-free-cali-girl-20/19313177[/url]
A few more that I can't locate right now.
She's actually using the same name.
[url]http://providence.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/new-int0xicating-curves-ex0tic-new-vixen-d0nt-miss-0ut-21/3159842[/url]
[QUOTE=IvIax; 1616199]I have seen holly before. She's legit. If you are into good looking black female, you should try her. Her picture is real.
[url]http://boston.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/true-exotic-beauty-come-play-well-reviewed-21/20728265[/url]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]217152[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]got to laugh how he makes it point to say pic is real LOL
[QUOTE=Werm2011; 1616320]Not her pics so I can only assume the rest of what you say is bullshit. Someone is shilling for her on the other site as well. Probably you.
Edit: After looking at her reviews, however. They are excellent! About 10 reviews over there and they approximately average 8 and 8. If you want to shill for this girl, fine. However, know that you can cost her business if you aren't totally honest. The girl in the pics is Topaz West, but you probably already know that.
Have to wonder why these girls use such obvious fakes as that is usually a cue to dismiss.[/QUOTE]Came up with the same conclusion, but I ddint want to call him / her out since I didn't have prove. Also that Deb lady, was also waving about the same girl earlier this year. IDK, makes me say mmmmmhmmmmm.
Hey Guys. Looking for intel on this one. Anyone take the plunge?
[url]http://massachusetts.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/hot-sexy-sweet-37/20937116[/url]
[quote]I'm a sexy blonde with a pretty face. Sexy curves on the right spots. I'll take your breath away and make you melt where you stand!
Pure sensual seduction to fulfill your every need is always my goal. My lips will make you quiver. And my sensual touch will have you screaming for more.
My attitude will amaze you, and my body & looks will seduce you.
Your time with me is always un-rushed & un-forgettable.
(NO BLOCKED CALLS PLEASE) DO NOT ANSWER TO TEXTINGS
Poster's age: 37.
• Location: Boston / Camb / Brook, Andover (incalls
Thanks Guys,
Zero[/quote]
[QUOTE=Misterm;1615703]You saw brooke? And that was her pics on the backpage? There is two different ones, just want to make sure before I take the plunge. Thanks for any info.[/QUOTE]Just a note on this chick. Someone posted that she / they are ripoffs. Take it FWIW.
[url]http://massachusetts.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/ripoff-beware-stay-away-from-crystalnikki-and-19yo-blonde-brooke-in-dedham-42/21564143[/url]
Does anyone have any details on this lady? She seems to good to be true, please details someone!
[url]http://newhampshire.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/stopby-mellisa-playhouse-when-you-get-a-little-free-time-boston-lowell-nh-hooksett-lawrence-andover/3083107[/url]
Any Members had the Pleasure? Looks too good to be true? Charging FS rates for?
Sexy sensual petite college girl NOW!.19.
I'm a white 5'2 110lbs really cute sweet and normal, just me no driver and I travel to you only, still live at home. I'm a college student. Send your name and number. $190hr.
Mutual nude / mutual touch. I charge $190hr non-negotiable.
Please send me your Name and Cell Number, because my time is sooo limited if you do not send name and number I won't be able to respond. My time is limited so please send name and number.
Rachel NO TEXTING! Body rub only!
Poster's age: 19.
• Location: Boston, you host the session
• Post ID: 21144029 massachusetts
Good Morning,
I called her ad on Backpage last week to get some pricing but timing wasn't there. Called again last night and she was only a few blocks away. Sounded cute on the phone and quoted 3 bills for herself or 5 bills with a friend. I arrived quickly at the BPP and up to her floor where I had to call again for the room number.
It was a duel room meaning two separate rooms but a common doorway / divider to pass through. Her door was on the right and I could hear a guy and girl talking loudly on the left. Not a good start in addition to the smell of smoke. She opens the door and not the girl I came to see. Bummer and there were 3 good reviews. She was ok looking and her friend was cute who entered as I was leaving.
I simply said that if you're not honest about how you represent yourself I can't trust you'll deliver the service you mention.
Just thought I would pass that along.
[url]http://m.eros-boston.com/files/293859.htm?pid=1&sf=10&rpp=10&pn=7[/url]
Been doen this a while and never saw this before. Personally I use a full sythetic so I don't wear my parts too much!
[quote]Y•O•U•R * E•X•O•T•I•C &9733; * B•E•A•U•T•Y &9733; &9733;. Incalls Only 8572368031. 19Posted: Saturday, December 8, 2012 5:08 PM
A wild, exotic & extremely stunning BOMBSHELL I'm sexy smooth soft skin & with flawless curves. Come and experience the ultimate pleasure with me! I am friendly, very playful & extra Stop wasting time w / the rest, & call the best 100% Real Pics Truly 1 of A Kind & the Best Around. I Love what I do & I'm positive U will 2!
INCALLS ONLY.
UPSCALE & FETISH FRIENDSLY :)
I DO NOT DO BOOTY UNLESS YOU HAVE LUBRICANT & EVERYTHING IS PROTECTED!
&9829; TISHA &9829; 857 236 8031
Poster's age: 19.
• Location: Boston / Camb / Brook, Walpole Rt. 1- Incalls Only 8572368031[/quote]
[url]http://newhampshire.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/the-dream-duo-check-us-out-21/3130949[/url]
Found out she is behind bars, will be going to see her, and give her some potato chip money, more pictures of us having fun.
[QUOTE=Ten Fingers; 1617608]Good Morning,
I called her ad on Backpage last week to get some pricing but timing wasn't there. Called again last night and she was only a few blocks away. Sounded cute on the phone and quoted 3 bills for herself or 5 bills with a friend. I arrived quickly at the BPP and up to her floor where I had to call again for the room number.
It was a duel room meaning two separate rooms but a common doorway / divider to pass through. Her door was on the right and I could hear a guy and girl talking loudly on the left. Not a good start in addition to the smell of smoke. She opens the door and not the girl I came to see. Bummer and there were 3 good reviews. She was ok looking and her friend was cute who entered as I was leaving.
I simply said that if you're not honest about how you represent yourself I can't trust you'll deliver the service you mention.
Just thought I would pass that along.
[url]http://m.eros-boston.com/files/293859.htm?pid=1&sf=10&rpp=10&pn=7[/url][/QUOTE]Try using Google Image Search next time, it will save you a lot of trouble, money, and wasted time. For example, the pics in the ad you linked to show up all over the place, including three different escorts in London using the same pics.
Stay safe, and happy hunting.
[QUOTE=Asket; 1617991][url]http://newhampshire.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/the-dream-duo-check-us-out-21/3130949[/url]
Found out she is behind bars, will be going to see her, and give her some potato chip money, more pictures of us having fun[/QUOTE]Busted via the hobby, or did she fuck up on something else?