Not to be inflammatory, but...
[QUOTE=Sleeping Bag]Terra, I think it's great how you share so much, but I'm really surprised how you are able to do so on a daily basis on all hours of the day. I can only think of a few reasons of how/why you are able to monger so frequently and freely:
1. You are independently wealthy and are your own boss of your own business.
2. You have a sugar-momma taking care of you. So you're free to do as you please, including mongering daily at any given time of the day.
3. You're 5.0 posing as a monger.
4. Some other reason that I haven't thought of, in which case, please share how you're able to monger daily at all hours of the day.
If it's the case of #1 and #2, man, let me rub shoulders with you to see if you can share some of that wealth with me. If it's the case of #3, then that will suck. If it's the case of #4, then explain away, please.[/QUOTE]
I have been reading some of Terra's post's for a little while and including what you noted about him being able to monger daily at all hours of the day he does share a lot of characteristics with undercover operations.
(1) - He tells a lot of stories that are interesting and informative. Undercover operatives always tell a lot of stories and try to provide evidence (pictures are the easiest by the way) of their criminal activity and adventures. This allows the marks (i.e. the people being investigated) to become more comfortable with the undercover and view the undercover as "one of us".
He also gets involved in a lot of discussions not involving sex and prostitutes (race, politics, socio-economic issues). This is a good idea for undercovers because this is the internet version of "hanging out" with the marks. An undercover will try to spend a lot of time with marks even when not engaging in criminal activity to further create comfort in the marks. People let their guard down around people they are more familiar with. An undercover will hang out just for the hell of it if he can. Hell an undercover will have the time to do it since trying to gather evidence against suspected criminals is his full time job.
(2) - He makes it well known that he is open to working with others to engage in criminal activity. Basically, the same way drug/vice undercovers work, standing on a corner looking like a drug dealer or prostitute to get customers to illegally solicit them. Several times he has mentioned trying to create a network of mongers and prostitute contacts with organized price structures and he makes it sound so innocent and easy (another sign).
Unfortunately, he doesn't tell you that what he is suggesting is certainly at a minimum a conspiracy charge in all 50 states and can become a federal case since I imagine there would be prostitutes from DC, VA, and probably other nearby areas involved. If anyone bites, it would also give these US domestic law enforcement agencies, particularly federal, the probable cause to start using MLAT treaties (Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty) among others to obtain the usasexguide records of those who use this message board, particularly those he convinces to interact/message with him privately. Depending on how far you work with him, this would eventually lead to possible full-time surveillance of your internet connection among other things.
Even though these servers are not located in the US, with the MLAT and other treaties, a Canadian court would rule for a Canadian company to provide the records requested if US authorities provide probable cause that a crime is being committed in the US.
Not to mention some of you guys have mentioned previous substance abuse issues (and I imagine some of you have current substance abuses issues) and some have admitted to owning firearms. If those can get entangled in anyway (which they would if one's residence is raided) they have a real blockbuster of a case and news story.
Honestly, if you are located in the US, you should not "get to know" anyone on this messageboard for your own safety, particularly someone suggesting a scenario that would easily be viewed as an organized conspiracy.
(3) He makes it known that he engages in other criminal activities. A recent example:
[quote]That is a good question, and your first answer is correct. I am not 100% independent, so I have to liaison with one particular client/customer/partner very closely for business. If that was not the case, you will find me mongering overseas (Russia or China).[/quote]
Stupid criminals do this, not-so-smart criminals might do this with people who they know very very well, undercover operatives certainly do this (makes you feel comfortable when you know they have "street cred"), but international, sophisticated, never-been-caught, experienced criminals do not do this.
Either he is a really dumb pimp (professional pimps operating in jurisdictions where pimping is illegal try to stay out of the limelight unless absolutely necessary, ex: to collect unpaid monies), an undercover, or just a internet liar. I wouldn't want to become more familiar with any one of those options.
I don't mean this post to be inflammatory as I don't know whether or not Terra is an undercover of some kind, just pointing out a possible danger that I observed. This website is certainly a big target for a lot of US law enforcement agencies and some individual posters of this forum among others are probably highly prized targets as well (sex busts make better news when they have leaders or organizers they can parade around the ringleaders of an alleged "interstate sex slavery trade" as I imagine would be the headline for the bust of mongers if they followed Terra's suggested plan of monger organization).
If he is an undercover, from what I have seen he has done a much better job than others who were suspected on this forum, but he still needs some work.
As people seem to always say around here YMMV, but I would be careful.
Re: Member#2552-Thank you...
That was a very thoughtful, well written and very articulated report. I concur with you 100%. After reading some of his reports, and especially some of his questionable antics and attitude toward women, it does give you a moment of pause. Terra, Super Train, Ahmad John (and his two/three other alias on this board), is either mentally challenged, or is an undercover cop.
Terra, (or whatever name he wants to call himself), seems to be an undercover officer. I am not completely sure if it is local, state,or federal. We have to remember that undercover agents/officers work for years trying to fit in, to gain and establish that credibility as you say. Undercover agents work for years to collect evidence to use for prosecution. Anyone remember the movie Donnie Brasco.
Have you ever noticed that when Terra is challenged about his reports, he get very defensive. He seems to have the same reaction that cops have when anyone challenges their authority. His favorite retort is " this is a personal attack." The rules state that we are not to attack anyone personally on this board." Either post something of value or leave us alone."
My theory is that he post so much to let his superiors/handlers see that he is working.
Let me be perfectly clear. This is not a personal attack on Terra (or whatever he chooses to call himself). Like Member #2552, these are observations,coupled with common sense that brings us to this conclusion. He fails to realize that most members on this forum feel the same way. It is very clear that most members are not posting as much as they used to because they do not trust him. I do not believe that he can even comprehend that most members have him on IGNORE. I personally put Terra on ignore nine months ago.
Terra, you can write a rebuttal to this, but I won't be able to see it, nor would I want to. I am not your friend, neither am I your enemy. This report is not to slander you, no matter what you may think. This report is actually a wake up call for you. Ring. Ring.
Propilot-over and out.
I emailed Brea directly thru her email
Hi there,
I'm travelling (currently in washington dc). I will not be able to check emails so please call me directly at 214 735 2425. Just call 30 minutes to an hr prior to when you want to get together.
Thanks Brea
Anybody want to TOFTT? I'm broke until mid August.
Just passing through, this forum is all yours.
I repeat again, I have no idea whether or not you are some type of active law enforcement agent doing an investigation. I am simply making observations and opinions. I could be completely wrong. I am not giving advice to anyone about what to believe or what they should do.
I agree that you:
"offer free advice"
"post interesting stories"
"timely reports"
I disagree with:
"In my reports, you will find plenty of insightful information you can use to monger safely. I always advocate organizing the SW market, for the benefit of all, including SWs, you and me."
You provide information similar to the way an infomercial or a salesman will. Part of what you say is 100% the truth, but it is sprinkled with a few little not-so-true tidbits. It is the not-so-true tidbits that will cause you to waste your money on a ineffective product (infomercial/salesman) or put you in prison (alleged criminal activity).
If you were truly the super-monger that you appear to be, it is hard to believe you would suggest a network of mongers and prostitutes. Since you know just how dumb mongers and prostitutes can be and how many hidden issues a person can have (a worldly, charismatic person like you should definitely know this), I can't see a guy like that trusting to work with guys he meets on the internet.
It would be highly unusual for a guy that smart, that smooth, that knowledgeable about people around the world and the illegal sex market to give an invitation to guys who a significant portion are at least addicted to sex and may have any number of unknown bad habits which would cause problems for the network you envision.
If you are not an investigative agent, it would only take one idiot monger or prostitute, getting caught doing something unrelated to the network or just opening their mouths to get everyone in trouble and the trouble would be much bigger than misdemeanor solicitation. Not to mention, if you are not an investigative agent, your plan certainly would attract some to join and there is no foolproof deterrent against that given the nature of how the whole thing would be setup.
Doesn't seem like something a smart super-monger who wants to make things better for himself and everyone else would risk slipping up like that. That little mistake does not quite fit with the rest of the profile. Whether you are a law enforcement agent, I have no idea, and really I don't want to find out. The less I know about you or anyone else and vice versa, the better. I much prefer being in a position where it doesn't matters whether or not you are LE. Not getting to know each other is one part of keeping me in that state.
The best advice to stay safe is to treat everyone as a possible undercover agent even if you have no reason to do so. If you do that you will probably never have a problem.
There are certainly other members of these forums who I would consider super-mongers who are similar to Terra, but don't raise any flags when I read their posts. Cookyjar would be one example, nothing I can remember about his posts has ever bothered me. Of course if he or any other people I consider super-mongers acted like Terra I would look at them suspiciously too. Even though there are no flags for a guy like Cookyjar, I still don't want to get to know him or get involved in a network with him as that is absolutely crazy for many many reasons. Judging from his posts a guy like Cookyjar would not suggest it anyway.
I don't want to get into an argument as that is not the purpose of my posts. Nor do I want to be an unwilling and unknowing partner in a game of good cop, bad cop which this seems like it could easily turn into if it hasn't already. We are all grown men who can make decisions about who is safe, what is safe, etc and I cover my own ass. Just pointing out things I noticed that I am sure other members would be interested in hearing about. To be clear, I will repeat once again, I have no idea whether or not Terra is an undercover agent or not.
Congratulations to Terra Sancta
You managed to bring both Muff Scout and BSR back to the board.
Now Thats The Kind Of Action You Find In A Recession
Now thats the kind of action you find in a recession.
Stizz did you ask her what she was doing out.
Since she doesnt work the streets.
Nice going, debbie sounds like a diamond.
And dont forget your good friends.
Smiling Fox ;}
Rte 40 Saturday Night 9-11 pm
[QUOTE=Akuma84]I was driving on Wash Blvd and saw this fine ass blond walking toward scarey from bayard. She was wearing short pink shorts on a nice ass, about 5'6", 110lbs. She was walking in a zigzag as if she was drunk or high. She, from time to time, looked at traffic. I drove slightly past her to get a look at her face and she turned out to be a goddess. She was literally a 9. 5 on a CIVI scale, a perfect 10 on SW scale. And trust me, my ratings are very discriminating. I couldn't make the pull over because she seemed too good to be true. As I drove up scarey towards ramsey, I saw two LE parked in the school backyard. I would have turned around but something just didn't feel right. Did anyone else see her this morning or had any experience with her?[/QUOTE]
I had similar experience Sat. night on Rt. 40 near Haven, except it was two hotties in identical miniskirts strolling side-by-side smiling at traffic, a blonde and a brunette. Something just didn't feel right.
Rapid
Spandex wearing hot blond
[QUOTE=Akuma84]I was driving on Wash Blvd and saw this fine ass blond walking toward scarey from bayard. She was wearing short pink shorts on a nice ass, about 5'6", 110lbs. She was walking in a zigzag as if she was drunk or high. She, from time to time, looked at traffic. I drove slightly past her to get a look at her face and she turned out to be a goddess. She was literally a 9. 5 on a CIVI scale, a perfect 10 on SW scale. And trust me, my ratings are very discriminating. I couldn't make the pull over because she seemed too good to be true. As I drove up scarey towards ramsey, I saw two LE parked in the school backyard. I would have turned around but something just didn't feel right. Did anyone else see her this morning or had any experience with her?[/QUOTE]
I've seen her out on two occasions, but haven't been able to make the scoop. I also thought she was le, but she is just too damn hot. I've never seen le pull anyone over after she vanishes. I have not heard about stings when she was out. In fact, I've seen her at two different locations further out washington with no le in sight. That doesn't mean she isn't, but I have a hard time believing a woman that hot is working vice for BCPD. More than likely she is a stripper with a fresh habit. She might be the hottest woman I've ever seen on that loop. I damn near had a head on collision the first time I saw her out, and I don't usually turn my head. Next time I see her, I'm not circling. I'll just dive right in(TOFTT). I'll let you know if I get locked up.
Slim
---Then again, I have never seen her get picked up. She just sort of vanishes.
Hot Dam A Real Hot Dam Round Table..... Count Me In.
Hot dam a real hot dam round table. Count me in.
And let me remind you that ana lisa dances at the millstream. Not that I could ever expect 2 rt's to focus on this one lady. LOL.
I will be there. Do any thing I can to get out. Even kick the old so to the curb. LOL.
Smiling Fox