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[QUOTE=Waxxon;5079308]Don't overpay. Most of the so called "sb's" / semi-pros / pros on SA will agree to 3-400, and with some effort and game on your part you can do better. There are lots of options, whether it's a true sb vs all the pros now on site is the difference. Was in contact with one recently, [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/889fbec8-e897-4712-986a-a7c4a1c070f0[/URL] asking for 500 ppm. Thats way more than my usual and she immediately comes down to 4. Without too much difficulty it now drops to 250 if I get a hotel near her or it goes up to 3 if she has to drive to my place. Getting a room is not my preference since I have no problems using my own place and still having success at 2-250 Ended up not closing the deal for now, may revisit in the future.[/QUOTE]Agreed that you can find deals out there. I have a recurring sb for 2 per meet. But it is also like a needle in the haystack. It's all about your budget and tolerance for missing out. Now what I don't understand in the girls expecting 800 and up.

[QUOTE=PaytoPlay;5080315]Agreed that you can find deals out there. I have a recurring sb for 2 per meet. But it is also like a needle in the haystack. It's all about your budget and tolerance for missing out. Now what I don't understand in the girls expecting 800 and up.[/QUOTE]IMHO there are several factors driving this.

1. There are other locations where rates appear to be much higher than here, think Silicon Valley, NYC. That gets publicity even on mainstream media, and distorts what SBs perceive to be normal.

2. SA propaganda is that the world is full of whales, and they can get hundreds for just looking pretty, let alone opening their legs. That influences SB perception. I have communicated with a fair number who seem really convinced that they just have to sit back, and 4-5 k per month will be theirs.

3. Those who need cash tend to be realistic, but a large percentage of the SBs are (I think) just chancing their arm. That is, they don't need the money (or don't seem to), and are happy to text, in the off-chance that a whale will come along. (They also think whales are more common than they really are, see 2.).

4. The FOSTA inspired death of various outlets has put up escort prices, seemingly leading to a flood of Johns into the SB world, Johns who are used to paying a lot more for very little.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5080357]IMHO there are several factors driving this.

1. There are other locations where rates appear to be much higher than here, think Silicon Valley, NYC. That gets publicity even on mainstream media, and distorts what SBs perceive to be normal.

2. SA propaganda is that the world is full of whales, and they can get hundreds for just looking pretty, let alone opening their legs. That influences SB perception. I have communicated with a fair number who seem really convinced that they just have to sit back, and 4-5 k per month will be theirs.

3. Those who need cash tend to be realistic, but a large percentage of the SBs are (I think) just chancing their arm. That is, they don't need the money (or don't seem to), and are happy to text, in the off-chance that a whale will come along. (They also think whales are more common than they really are, see 2.).

4. The FOSTA inspired death of various outlets has put up escort prices, seemingly leading to a flood of Johns into the SB world, Johns who are used to paying a lot more for very little.[/QUOTE]About 1 - my bowl buddy moved from NYC to Nashville. He said the incredible numbers of high quality SBs in NYC made competition fierce, and prices more reasonable. He is disappointed in the smaller market of Nashville, lots of high prices.

[QUOTE=PaytoPlay;5080315]Agreed that you can find deals out there. I have a recurring sb for 2 per meet. But it is also like a needle in the haystack. It's all about your budget and tolerance for missing out. Now what I don't understand in the girls expecting 800 and up.[/QUOTE]Yeah I've found a few willing to meet up for $$ but I want bare with CIP and they said they weren't my girl 😧.

I also had some message me out of the blue by text that they are ready to meet, but the texts arrive at odd hours in the day when I am not available. It is like trying to find a needle in the haystack. Working from home has got me bored out of my mind, but at the least the gym is open. I'll have to attempt approaching the ladies always working on their glutes. 😜.

I did go on escortbabylon and met a young 22 yr from Vegas for $. 6 hhr that had the softest skin, butt and nice Ds, but she freaked out when I started licking on her nipples. It was still a decent experience since she was so soft, but need more intimacy. One SB said she offers covered sex, kissing, but no BJ for $$$ for hour ppm. I'll keep looking for that bare CIP, blow my mind sex. Happy hunting bros no stay safe!

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e36c1af9-73fe-493c-b2e7-daa5455a58b0[/URL]

She wants $500 weekly allowance and told her my budget is $300. She is my ideal type, but not sure how she would perform. I need a freak, but GND looks. Guess that is every SD wish. Maybe Santa will be nice for Christmas 😜.

[QUOTE=Koolbeans;5080738]Yeah I've found a few willing to meet up for $$ but I want bare with CIP and they said they weren't my girl 😧.

I also had some message me out of the blue by text that they are ready to meet, but the texts arrive at odd hours in the day when I am not available. It is like trying to find a needle in the haystack. Working from home has got me bored out of my mind, but at the least the gym is open. I'll have to attempt approaching the ladies always working on their glutes. 😜.

I did go on escortbabylon and met a young 22 yr from Vegas for $. 6 hhr that had the softest skin, butt and nice Ds, but she freaked out when I started licking on her nipples. It was still a decent experience since she was so soft, but need more intimacy. One SB said she offers covered sex, kissing, but no BJ for $$$ for hour ppm. I'll keep looking for that bare CIP, blow my mind sex. Happy hunting bros no stay safe![/QUOTE]I usually don't ask. Sometimes that freaks them out. I might make a comment about being clean and baby proof, but sometimes you just have to play it by ear. You also have to be willing to take risks. Without risk there is no chance to come out big. So you have to be willing to occasionally come up with just an okay experience or even a total miss.

So to keep everyone updated. I've made arrangements with 2 SB for bare fun, but they both wanted $300 for an hour and I'd have to find hotel. So we will see how it pans out. The first is a Latina that said she is thick and sent a pic, she has the body shape of a coke bottle and I stated that is a nice thick 😉. She is out of town and supposed to coordinate something next week.

I just finished a M&G with a half Filipina / Japanese 20 year old that is supposed to coordinate a FC session later this week. It is entertaining eating around other people in an outdoor setting and discussing plans for later with others in earshot. She said she prefers protection, but I said I prefer not to. She replied that she didn't like butt play so I said fine 👍 I tried to strike when the iron was hot, but she has a previous engagement to attend tonight. Hope it pans out and get to see what is under that dress. All my M&G have had the ladies wearing shirts that show their cleavage which is nice distraction.

I've done the shotgun approach to setup M&G and having a hard time following up with the SB as they all want their COVID stimulus check. They are not good with communication as I get responses a couple hours to a couple days later. I get busy and forget to follow up which results in them blocking me. It has turned into a job, but I shouldn't have to chase TnA if I'm providing the funding. A really hot viet lady wanted $400 and wouldn't give specifics on what would go down, but stuck to my guns of $300 and then she blocked me. She probably wouldn't do bare, but seems activity is picking up since the holidays are coming fast and furious. I may have to juggle a few and toss the ones that don't blow my socks off.

I've learned not to pay for gas money or half their Uber ride as the VA forums are very educational and entertaining. It seems most want to sell their photos, vids, and outfits for the M&G to which I respond that money will not be exchanged until an arrangement has been made and I'm satisfied. SA seems to be a risky venture, but definitely is panning out meeting ladies half your age. Hope to seal the deal in the near future. Happy hunting and stay safe!

[QUOTE=Koolbeans;5086351].... but they both wanted $300 for an hour and I'd have to find hotel. So we will see how it pans out.[/QUOTE]Did you specify an hour, or they did?

If they did, then they are not SBs but pros. SBs don't quote by the hour.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5086391]Did you specify an hour, or they did?

If they did, then they are not SBs but pros. SBs don't quote by the hour.[/QUOTE]They quoted 30 min. , but I said hour. It seems like they are using google like us to figure out their rates. Found [URL]https://sugardaddyy.com/guide/sugar-baby-allowance[/URL].

I'll see how things go and if they are not worth the $ then keep moving to next one.

[QUOTE=Koolbeans;5086398]They quoted 30 min. , but I said hour. It seems like they are using google like us to figure out their rates. Found [URL]https://sugardaddyy.com/guide/sugar-baby-allowance[/URL].

I'll see how things go and if they are not worth the $ then keep moving to next one.[/QUOTE]Your whole approach is that of picking up an escort type woman, and that is what you are getting.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5086416]Your whole approach is that of picking up an escort type woman, and that is what you are getting.[/QUOTE]Yeah, guess I need to work on my approach. I've had some try to say they would snuggle or talk my ear off, but I want to clearly outline what is going to happen for how much makes it worth their time. One day I will find the unicorn that will accept $300 for an overnight with bare action. I'll see after the first meet to see if it is worth the $. Monthly fun budget is $2 k, so got to stretch it out for maximum ROI. 🤔 $2k overseas takes you further with abundance of hotties. 😋

[QUOTE=Koolbeans;5086436]Yeah, guess I need to work on my approach. I've had some try to say they would snuggle or talk my ear off, but I want to clearly outline what is going to happen for how much makes it worth their time. One day I will find the unicorn that will accept $300 for an overnight with bare action. I'll see after the first meet to see if it is worth the $. Monthly fun budget is $2 k, so got to stretch it out for maximum ROI. 🤔 $2k overseas takes you further with abundance of hotties. 😋[/QUOTE]For reference, I've never once done a meet and greet and have closed dozens. And it would be more if I didn't live in far north county. Girls act like north county might as well be Seattle. All of whom I CIP. I've found the best way to ask is if they're on birth control. Lots of information from that simple question. And you'd be surprised how many of them insist on condoms and then change their minds once you're inside them. I have several that don't expect any allowance at all.

By the way, there seems to be an influx of fake accounts all with the same profile naming convention. Usually a name followed by four numbers. So holly1234 for example. They also tend to only have exactly one sentence written in their "about me section" and it is appropriately vague.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b62293b7-41dd-4ff9-81c7-99acf22ad61c[/URL]

This one was a lot cuter in person. $300 and CIP.

I got an email this morning saying there is a Holiday discount of 33% off membership, until Monday.

However, when I go to the Upgrade page, the discount does not show. It always showed automatically with previous offers. Using the link in the offer email similarly fails to bring up the discount.

Anyone else having this issue?

[QUOTE=Splenda;5086959]For reference, I've never once done a meet and greet and have closed dozens. And it would be more if I didn't live in far north county. Girls act like north county might as well be Seattle. All of whom I CIP. I've found the best way to ask is if they're on birth control. Lots of information from that simple question. And you'd be surprised how many of them insist on condoms and then change their minds once you're inside them. I have several that don't expect any allowance at all.

By the way, there seems to be an influx of fake accounts all with the same profile naming convention. Usually a name followed by four numbers. So holly1234 for example. They also tend to only have exactly one sentence written in their "about me section" and it is appropriately vague.[/QUOTE]Yeah I'll have to try and get them to the FC and then test it out. I hate having to pull out. So the ladies don't expect payment / allowance? You just entertain them through wining, dining, and activities? The reason for trying out SA is trying to find ladies with lower mileage and reduce the likelihood of catching something, but nothing some pills and shots won’t fix. Thailand and Dubai were some wild times and would love to find a bi couple. One could be riding me while the other is riding my face 😊 I will probably have to try those Mexican threesomes if this SA deal doesn’t pan out. I got the 3 month one pay membership and probably won’t renew. Hope to find that reliable GFE soon.

[QUOTE=Splenda;5086959]For reference, I've never once done a meet and greet and have closed dozens. And it would be more if I didn't live in far north county. Girls act like north county might as well be Seattle. All of whom I CIP. I've found the best way to ask is if they're on birth control. Lots of information from that simple question. And you'd be surprised how many of them insist on condoms and then change their minds once you're inside them. I have several that don't expect any allowance at all.

By the way, there seems to be an influx of fake accounts all with the same profile naming convention. Usually a name followed by four numbers. So holly1234 for example. They also tend to only have exactly one sentence written in their "about me section" and it is appropriately vague.[/QUOTE]Would love to see the quality of SB's you are pulling without a meet and greet! 100% of the 18-23 year old's I meet insist on a meet and greet and whenever I suggest simply meeting at the FC or starting the arrangement right away I am either ghosted or blocked! So really really curious about your "I've never done a meet and greet". I'm guessing you are working the heavy mileage, older, pro / semi-pro angle. ?

[QUOTE=MaximusV;5087704]Would love to see the quality of SB's you are pulling without a meet and greet! 100% of the 18-23 year old's I meet insist on a meet and greet and whenever I suggest simply meeting at the FC or starting the arrangement right away I am either ghosted or blocked! So really really curious about your "I've never done a meet and greet". I'm guessing you are working the heavy mileage, older, pro / semi-pro angle. ?[/QUOTE]The guy who runs and posts huge amounts on the LA sugar thread, Hollywood Guy, does it this way. It's not for everyone, he is single and can host. He has a standard approach to girls, that he provides 100 sugar for a date, and that he only expects at their initial meeting some kissing and a handy. He likes young AA spinners exclusively, naive newbies. Of course, once he gets them in his crib, they have a tendency to go further (FC). He doesn't worry about whether he fulfilled his promises to them, because most of them he sees only once. I don't think most SDs have the ability to work this way. I have a SO and would *never* have a SB at my home. I am all about discretion, concerned about a professional rep, etc.

Everybody has their own approach, strength and weaknesses, I guess, but if I had the nuts to get young girls free this way, IDK, I'd not be on SA I think. Maybe he looks like George Clooney. Well, if so, there's no way to translate that to anyone else. Some stuff you read here is BS. When I first got into the bowl, I thought this was only a brag sheet, but there is a lot of support and information transfer her too. Just not usually from newbies. And really, IDK any of you personally, so why would I care if you fucked Jennifer Aniston or whatever?

Does trying to sneak a phone number or email into your profile on SA automatically result in a ban?

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5087272]I got an email this morning saying there is a Holiday discount of 33% off membership, until Monday.

However, when I go to the Upgrade page, the discount does not show. It always showed automatically with previous offers. Using the link in the offer email similarly fails to bring up the discount.

Anyone else having this issue?[/QUOTE]SA seem to be such a bunch of incompetents. The email I got yesterday offering a 33% discount simply did not work. Got another today, which did. Go figure.

But another issue has come up. Says CC has to be able to accept international transaction. All the anonymous prepaid cards that I know of are US domestic only. Any solutions? I saw references somewhere (Richmond board) to paying with Bitcoin, but I see no option for that.

Will probably also ask on Richmond board.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5088680]SA seem to be such a bunch of incompetents. The email I got yesterday offering a 33% discount simply did not work. Got another today, which did. Go figure.

But another issue has come up. Says CC has to be able to accept international transaction. All the anonymous prepaid cards that I know of are US domestic only. Any solutions? I saw references somewhere (Richmond board) to paying with Bitcoin, but I see no option for that.

Will probably also ask on Richmond board.[/QUOTE]I have seen that statement about a card doing international transactions before. Yet, the OneVanilla cards worked back then. If it doesn't, you can email SA customer service, give them the card #, and they can run it for you even if it isn't approved for international. At least, that happened a while back.

[QUOTE=MaximusV;5087704]Would love to see the quality of SB's you are pulling without a meet and greet! 100% of the 18-23 year old's I meet insist on a meet and greet and whenever I suggest simply meeting at the FC or starting the arrangement right away I am either ghosted or blocked! So really really curious about your "I've never done a meet and greet". I'm guessing you are working the heavy mileage, older, pro / semi-pro angle.[/QUOTE]I rarely do a meet and greet. If I do it's a bar around the corner from my place. I'll never pay to meet them, just tell them I'll buy a couple drinks and see where it takes us. Usually I just get there number, start texting them, and after a week or so it's a done deal. I have met dozens and dozens of girls 19-24 years old that will come over to hang out and end up sleeping with them. Most of the time is CIP but not always.

I always get asked why I'm on there because I'm in my early 30's and in great shape. I tell them it's easier and less hassle than tinder or the other typical dating sites. I don't know others living situations or physical appearance but when you aren't loaded or have limited funds you can still pull plenty of beautiful young ladies off there. You need to know how to talk to them and be personable.

The girl I currently see now is off there. I see her weekly, a 22 year old student at one of the schools here. I have never given here a dime, she actually bought me stuff for my bday. It takes a little time to get your approach right and all that but put in that effort and the rewards are endless.

Stay safe.

[QUOTE=RyanE36;5088127]Does trying to sneak a phone number or email into your profile on SA automatically result in a ban?[/QUOTE]I have put my fake mail and burner ph# before so far so good! But so far "Smart" chicks could not read thru lines.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5088680]SA seem to be such a bunch of incompetents. The email I got yesterday offering a 33% discount simply did not work. Got another today, which did. Go figure.

But another issue has come up. Says CC has to be able to accept international transaction. All the anonymous prepaid cards that I know of are US domestic only. Any solutions? I saw references somewhere (Richmond board) to paying with Bitcoin, but I see no option for that.

Will probably also ask on Richmond board.[/QUOTE]Vanilla Prepaid Card is your friend.

I have been using it for yrs, without any issue. (It also has been mentioned here so many times.).

[QUOTE=KingBaby;5089159]Vanilla Prepaid Card is your friend.

I have been using it for yrs, without any issue. (It also has been mentioned here so many times.).[/QUOTE]Last two times I tried (two separate cards), it failed. SA have changed their CC processor several times over the years. Right now, SA site says that any credit card must allow international transactions. Vanilla Card does not allow that.

And what of Bitcoin?

[QUOTE=KingBaby;5089159]Vanilla Prepaid Card is your friend.

I have been using it for yrs, without any issue. (It also has been mentioned here so many times.).[/QUOTE]Just to be clear, it is OneVanilla Prepaid Debit card. There are also Vanilla gift cards available, IDK if those always work. And it's been like 6 months since I got a membership, what they do and don't take could change.

[QUOTE=JaySdMac;5088982]I rarely do a meet and greet. If I do it's a bar around the corner from my place. I'll never pay to meet them, just tell them I'll buy a couple drinks and see where it takes us. Usually I just get there number, start texting them, and after a week or so it's a done deal. I have met dozens and dozens of girls 19-24 years old that will come over to hang out and end up sleeping with them. Most of the time is CIP but not always.

I always get asked why I'm on there because I'm in my early 30's and in great shape. I tell them it's easier and less hassle than tinder or the other typical dating sites. I don't know others living situations or physical appearance but when you aren't loaded or have limited funds you can still pull plenty of beautiful young ladies off there. You need to know how to talk to them and be personable.

The girl I currently see now is off there. I see her weekly, a 22 year old student at one of the schools here. I have never given here a dime, she actually bought me stuff for my bday. It takes a little time to get your approach right and all that but put in that effort and the rewards are endless.

Stay safe.[/QUOTE]Could not have said it better.

[QUOTE=JaySdMac;5088982]....
I always get asked why I'm on there because I'm in my early 30's and in great shape. I tell them it's easier and less hassle than tinder or the other typical dating sites. I don't know others living situations or physical appearance but when you aren't loaded or have limited funds you can still pull plenty of beautiful young ladies off there. You need to know how to talk to them and be personable.
[/QUOTE]SA was invented 30 years too late for me to be able to do that. I am the wrong side of LX, and even though I am in reasonable shape (at least pre-Covid), and also OK looking, it is clear that none of the many 18-26 yo women I have dated from SA would have any interest in me absent the fact that I bring their friend Benjamin along for the ride.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5089290]Just to be clear, it is OneVanilla Prepaid Debit card. There are also Vanilla gift cards available, IDK if those always work. And it's been like 6 months since I got a membership, what they do and don't take could change.[/QUOTE]One of the two cards was OneVanilla - what I used regularly over the years. When that was denied, I tried Vanilla gift. Also denied.

I am worried that they have changed CC processor again.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5089648]One of the two cards was OneVanilla - what I used regularly over the years. When that was denied, I tried Vanilla gift. Also denied.

I am worried that they have changed CC processor again.[/QUOTE]Dang! There's no doubt this is a pain. There are several other sites out there I made profiles on but was never able to get a means to pay them.

As I said, one thing you can do is contact SA customer service and try to get them to run the debit card. That has worked way back. Also, MasterCard is a way more popular card than Visa outside the US, you might find (like that Canadian website I posted earlier) that if you can somehow find a MasterCard. Based prepaid, it will work. Also, quite some time ago, on the payment page, there was a little box you had to check if you were using a US prepaid card. As I said, I haven't had a profile in a while, IDK if that is still on the site.

I have this problem to pay for my email ISP, which is in Vancouver. They were the one who referred me to MasterCard. I need that (very discreet) email address, both of my profiles on SA are with email aliases I made through HushMail.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5089648]One of the two cards was OneVanilla - what I used regularly over the years. When that was denied, I tried Vanilla gift. Also denied.

I am worried that they have changed CC processor again.[/QUOTE]I have always used the vanilla gift card. It's the one where you choose the denomination and I just put $90 on it. When I use it on the site I enter a fake name with the address and zip code of the CVS that I buy it from. At first I had an issue doing that. Then doing some digging I read that other people had trouble because of the zip code. One of the ways to fix it was registering it. So instead I just used the zip code from where it was purchased and never had trouble. Try that and see if it helps.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5090102]
As I said, one thing you can do is contact SA customer service and try to get them to run the debit card. That has worked way back.[/QUOTE]SA did offer that. But calling them would mean using an actual phone number associated with a previously banned profile, so that would not work! .

I had a very humorous profile for recruits for a fantasy "ladies finishing school". SA said I was "engaged in commercial activities" and perma-banned that profile. What idiots!

[QUOTE=JaySdMac;5090498]I have always used the vanilla gift card. It's the one where you choose the denomination and I just put $90 on it. When I use it on the site I enter a fake name with the address and zip code of the CVS that I buy it from. At first I had an issue doing that. Then doing some digging I read that other people had trouble because of the zip code. One of the ways to fix it was registering it. So instead I just used the zip code from where it was purchased and never had trouble. Try that and see if it helps.[/QUOTE]I remember registering OneVanilla and gift cards in the past. As you say, the key thing was to have a zip code associated with the card. That used to work just fine. But my most recent cards did not offer a registration option. You are now supposed to be able to use whatever address you care to enter. These recent non-registered cards are the ones that failed.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5090869]I remember registering OneVanilla and gift cards in the past. As you say, the key thing was to have a zip code associated with the card. That used to work just fine. But my most recent cards did not offer a registration option. You are now supposed to be able to use whatever address you care to enter. These recent non-registered cards are the ones that failed.[/QUOTE]Does anybody know what type of prepaid card will work with the Secret Benefits site??

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5090865]SA did offer that. But calling them would mean using an actual phone number associated with a previously banned profile, so that would not work! .I had a very humorous profile for recruits for a fantasy "ladies finishing school". SA said I was "engaged in commercial activities" and perma-banned that profile. What idiots![/QUOTE]Nope, contact SA customer service via email. Don't use a phone # - and of course, if you want, you can manufacture a new phone # on GoogleVoice.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5090869]I remember registering OneVanilla and gift cards in the past. As you say, the key thing was to have a zip code associated with the card. That used to work just fine. But my most recent cards did not offer a registration option. You are now supposed to be able to use whatever address you care to enter. These recent non-registered cards are the ones that failed.[/QUOTE]I got the newer version of the OneVanilla to work in the past 6 months, the one without the ability to put in a zip code. Of course, that may not be so today.

[QUOTE=JaySdMac;5088982]I rarely do a meet and greet. If I do it's a bar around the corner from my place. I'll never pay to meet them, just tell them I'll buy a couple drinks and see where it takes us. Usually I just get there number, start texting them, and after a week or so it's a done deal. I have met dozens and dozens of girls 19-24 years old that will come over to hang out and end up sleeping with them. Most of the time is CIP but not always.

I always get asked why I'm on there because I'm in my early 30's and in great shape. I tell them it's easier and less hassle than tinder or the other typical dating sites. I don't know others living situations or physical appearance but when you aren't loaded or have limited funds you can still pull plenty of beautiful young ladies off there. You need to know how to talk to them and be personable.

The girl I currently see now is off there. I see her weekly, a 22 year old student at one of the schools here. I have never given here a dime, she actually bought me stuff for my bday. It takes a little time to get your approach right and all that but put in that effort and the rewards are endless.

Stay safe.[/QUOTE]100% on this approach. I'm in my early 30's and busy with my career. Majority of the ladies I target on SA are 18-24. Meet at a bar down the street from my house, for coffee if they're under 21 or at my place for a meet / greet. Never pay to meet them. Being personable, normal, able to carry a convo, crack a few jokes to get them laughing / relaxed and being somewhat fit helps. More effort upfront but getting freebies or under $200 for a multiple hour fuck session is well worth it.

Highlight SB from earlier this year. Latina college cheerleader. Nice natural tits, thick ass. Met at the local bar before the pandemic, feel each other out, couple drinks and casually ask if she wanted to get out of there. BBBJ and Covered sex on our first get together. Agreed on $200 and to meet again. Eventually evolved to her coming over to have a few drinks, uncovered everything including anal and finishing in her ass. After a few more dates she didn't want cash anymore and enjoyed just hanging out. Okay by me. Made quarantine more enjoyable. After 6 months she got back with her college BF. Unicorns do exist just have to put in a little work.

[QUOTE=Marcsd88;5092376]100% on this approach. I'm in my early 30's and busy with my career. Majority of the ladies I target on SA are 18-24. Meet at a bar down the street from my house, for coffee if they're under 21 or at my place for a meet / greet. Never pay to meet them. Being personable, normal, able to carry a convo, crack a few jokes to get them laughing / relaxed and being somewhat fit helps. More effort upfront but getting freebies or under $200 for a multiple hour fuck session is well worth it.

Highlight SB from earlier this year. Latina college cheerleader. Nice natural tits, thick ass. Met at the local bar before the pandemic, feel each other out, couple drinks and casually ask if she wanted to get out of there. BBBJ and Covered sex on our first get together. Agreed on $200 and to meet again. Eventually evolved to her coming over to have a few drinks, uncovered everything including anal and finishing in her ass. After a few more dates she didn't want cash anymore and enjoyed just hanging out. Okay by me. Made quarantine more enjoyable. After 6 months she got back with her college BF. Unicorns do exist just have to put in a little work.[/QUOTE]Are you comfortable bringing them over to your place? I thought that was a no no.

[QUOTE=FingerLicking;5094285]Are you comfortable bringing them over to your place? I thought that was a no no.[/QUOTE]Agreed, seems safer to meet in public first, then bring them over if they pass the test.

[QUOTE=Jason619;5094302]Agreed, seems safer to meet in public first, then bring them over if they pass the test.[/QUOTE]I'll bring them straight there if they're willing. There are plenty who will come to a strangers place and let him cip for free. A lot more than than you'd think haha. I'll just put my computer and wallet away so they can't really take anything of value. I've never had a problem.

[QUOTE=Marcsd88;5092376]100% on this approach. I'm in my early 30's and busy with my career. Majority of the ladies I target on SA are 18-24. Meet at a bar down the street from my house, for coffee if they're under 21 or at my place for a meet / greet. Never pay to meet them. Being personable, normal, able to carry a convo, crack a few jokes to get them laughing / relaxed and being somewhat fit helps. More effort upfront but getting freebies or under $200 for a multiple hour fuck session is well worth it.

Highlight SB from earlier this year. Latina college cheerleader. Nice natural tits, thick ass. Met at the local bar before the pandemic, feel each other out, couple drinks and casually ask if she wanted to get out of there. BBBJ and Covered sex on our first get together. Agreed on $200 and to meet again. Eventually evolved to her coming over to have a few drinks, uncovered everything including anal and finishing in her ass. After a few more dates she didn't want cash anymore and enjoyed just hanging out. Okay by me. Made quarantine more enjoyable. After 6 months she got back with her college BF. Unicorns do exist just have to put in a little work.[/QUOTE]There are winners out there. My approach is to treat the m&g like a date. Charm their panties off and these Gen Z they will agree on anything. I have had a dozen or so in the past year pre COVID. I'm now down from 3 to two during COVID. 19 and 22. Both could be models and I like them ink free. The 3rd I had to let go because she caught feelings. LOL. My 2 don't ask for much. Cheaper than a GF without drama.