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I went in here last night. 1/2 hr $40 and hour is $50. They provide a two girl hour for $100. I choose the hr with one girl. I got an A / F early 40's, a little chunky, black tshirt and shorts. I forgot her name. The massage was ok and that was it. I asked for extra but was told NO. I'd pass this one up gents.
YMMV
[QUOTE=SoonerGuy; 1859585]What ever you feel is fair and I am always more than fair but, hey I have a thing for Almonds. They are precious little gems and I like to always make them feel like they are extra special to me. This little effort of kindness reaps great rewards for me.
For example several times I have stopped off an Asian Buffet and loaded up a couple of to go boxes and stopped off at one of my favorites spas and feed the little ladies dinner or lunch. They love to be treated like ladies and not as a piece of merchandise.
But, that's just they way I roll.[/QUOTE]I'm with you. For my sweet find, I used to come in and spend more time massaging her than I ever got. She left our sessions very relaxed and very appreciative as well :- ). Different cities have different ranges, that's all I'm getting at. No woman will ever say "oh that's too much" but there is probably a norm upper limit.
[QUOTE=SoonerGuy; 1859585]What ever you feel is fair and I am always more than fair but, hey I have a thing for Almonds. They are precious little gems and I like to always make them feel like they are extra special to me. This little effort of kindness reaps great rewards for me.
For example several times I have stopped off an Asian Buffet and loaded up a couple of to go boxes and stopped off at one of my favorites spas and feed the little ladies dinner or lunch. They love to be treated like ladies and not as a piece of merchandise.
But, that's just they way I roll.[/QUOTE]Soonerguy, I have done the same but with ice cream. I'd buy a couple of different flavors of the good stuff and they love it, I became a celebrity when I was visiting one frequently in Tulsa. I'd also give them massages as well which surprised them at first. In fact, once when I was stranded at the airport due to a missed flight, they sent a driver to come get me for a session then took me back afterwards. It pays to be nice to those sweet ladies!
Went again this time I missed alice, was greeted by a lady whom said her name to be lucy, did not experience a very good massage. Seniors can pm for details.
Anyone met this lady yet?
[url]http://wichita.craigslist.org/bts/4046086796.html[/url]
I first went to JJ east about a month, month-and-a-half ago ago. Not too long after they open and started seeing good reviews here. Went there at least twice maybe more. OMG! Great service, nice ladies. No upsell. Trully incredible. I overtipped as usual but I was never asked for a dime. Last week after a long bad day, I decided to hit them up again. Well, let me tell you, not the same place I went to just a couple of months ago. I paid for an hour massage. Unfortunately, I didn't get the name of the lady but massage was less than mediocre, but not too concerned as that was not my end goal. At the end just as I am about to get happy, she starts to tickle my fancy, then looks at me and asks me if I want to be "tickled" I say, of course, she says "$40 dollar." WTF! No way! Told her to stop and left in less than happy mood! It wasn't the money, I usually tip that much. Not sure if it is too much but I do anyway. That is my choice; but to demand that. Forget it!
Probably I am just bitter and maybe my butt stank. But I was very, very pissed! Waste of one hour and $60.
Maybe if I we are lucky, word gets out to them that they need to go back to their original service with a smile.
Maybe it just happened to me but I get the impression of all the good reviews on this board have spoiled them and they think they are worth more now. I say that because the first couple of time I went there, there was not a single car, other than mine outside. Last week, when I went in I was the first, when I left, there were 3 other cars in front.
Dang it! Just when I thought there was a good thing going on there.
[QUOTE=Amorardiente; 1867024]I first went to JJ east about a month, month-and-a-half ago ago. Not too long after they open and started seeing good reviews here. Went there at least twice maybe more. OMG! Great service, nice ladies. No upsell. Trully incredible. I overtipped as usual but I was never asked for a dime. Last week after a long bad day, I decided to hit them up again. Well, let me tell you, not the same place I went to just a couple of months ago. I paid for an hour massage. Unfortunately, I didn't get the name of the lady but massage was less than mediocre, but not too concerned as that was not my end goal. At the end just as I am about to get happy, she starts to tickle my fancy, then looks at me and asks me if I want to be "tickled" I say, of course, she says "$40 dollar." WTF! No way! Told her to stop and left in less than happy mood! It wasn't the money, I usually tip that much. Not sure if it is too much but I do anyway. That is my choice; but to demand that. Forget it!
Probably I am just bitter and maybe my butt stank. But I was very, very pissed! Waste of one hour and $60.
Maybe if I we are lucky, word gets out to them that they need to go back to their original service with a smile.
Maybe it just happened to me but I get the impression of all the good reviews on this board have spoiled them and they think they are worth more now. I say that because the first couple of time I went there, there was not a single car, other than mine outside. Last week, when I went in I was the first, when I left, there were 3 other cars in front.
Dang it! Just when I thought there was a good thing going on there.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a substitute or possibly one of the two goodies have moved on. Could have been Lucy, she is hit and miss.
[QUOTE=Amorardiente; 1867024]I first went to JJ east about a month, month-and-a-half ago ago. Not too long after they open and started seeing good reviews here. Went there at least twice maybe more. OMG! Great service, nice ladies. No upsell. Trully incredible. I overtipped as usual but I was never asked for a dime. Last week after a long bad day, I decided to hit them up again. Well, let me tell you, not the same place I went to just a couple of months ago. I paid for an hour massage. Unfortunately, I didn't get the name of the lady but massage was less than mediocre, but not too concerned as that was not my end goal. At the end just as I am about to get happy, she starts to tickle my fancy, then looks at me and asks me if I want to be "tickled" I say, of course, she says "$40 dollar." WTF! No way! Told her to stop and left in less than happy mood! It wasn't the money, I usually tip that much. Not sure if it is too much but I do anyway. That is my choice; but to demand that. Forget it!
Probably I am just bitter and maybe my butt stank. But I was very, very pissed! Waste of one hour and $60.
Maybe if I we are lucky, word gets out to them that they need to go back to their original service with a smile.
Maybe it just happened to me but I get the impression of all the good reviews on this board have spoiled them and they think they are worth more now. I say that because the first couple of time I went there, there was not a single car, other than mine outside. Last week, when I went in I was the first, when I left, there were 3 other cars in front.
Dang it! Just when I thought there was a good thing going on there.[/QUOTE]First of all, welcome to the board. Second, I have a question, as I am trying to figure out what you paid (yes I am slow LOL). Are you saying you paid 60 bucks and then the tip they wanted was 40 bucks, for a total of 100 bucks? And that was for the whole monty?
Well looks like I will try jj when I am there next week. Maybe step into HK too. With the recent reviews being negative I might have to lower my expectations. Will let you guys know. Pretty cheap here at 100 for an hour plus tip so I can hit 2 or 3 places in my few days here. Will continue to read farther back in the forum to see what you all shared.
[QUOTE=Amorardiente; 1867024]I first went to JJ east about a month, month-and-a-half ago ago. Not too long after they open and started seeing good reviews here. Went there at least twice maybe more. OMG! Great service, nice ladies. No upsell. Trully incredible. I overtipped as usual but I was never asked for a dime. Last week after a long bad day, I decided to hit them up again. Well, let me tell you, not the same place I went to just a couple of months ago. I paid for an hour massage. Unfortunately, I didn't get the name of the lady but massage was less than mediocre, but not too concerned as that was not my end goal. At the end just as I am about to get happy, she starts to tickle my fancy, then looks at me and asks me if I want to be "tickled" I say, of course, she says "$40 dollar." WTF! No way! Told her to stop and left in less than happy mood! It wasn't the money, I usually tip that much. Not sure if it is too much but I do anyway. That is my choice; but to demand that. Forget it!
Probably I am just bitter and maybe my butt stank. But I was very, very pissed! Waste of one hour and $60.
Maybe if I we are lucky, word gets out to them that they need to go back to their original service with a smile.
Maybe it just happened to me but I get the impression of all the good reviews on this board have spoiled them and they think they are worth more now. I say that because the first couple of time I went there, there was not a single car, other than mine outside. Last week, when I went in I was the first, when I left, there were 3 other cars in front.
Dang it! Just when I thought there was a good thing going on there.[/QUOTE]I've only had a lady not ask me for $ one (maybe two) times in all my years. There's always a price. Every girl may provide a different service and those rates will vary. What if you thought "tickle" meant HJTC and she thgouth it meant BBBJCIM. Those each carry a different price tag. If she started the BBBJCIM and finished and you produced $40 I'm sure she wouldn't be as happy as you.
I guess I don't see the issue. If it wouldn't have been for this board I wouldn't go to half the places I go to. I use it mostly for who to stay away from more than anything. I like to agree on a price for the deed before we move on. I don't want to be asked for $100 at the completion of a HJTC and think WTF I only have $40 left in my pockets and would've never paid that much in the first place.
I know that was kind of rambling but I hope you get my point.
oops I meant borrowed LOL. I saw this piece posted by another monger (thanks bro) and thought I would share it here in ICT.
Rules of Mongering
1. IS SHE? - It isn't like the movies -They wear ordinary clothes, and are just walking alone, with no bags, or maybe making a phone call at a pay phone (but if you could check, there would be no one on the line). A female walking alone, without shopping bags on a hobbyist street is almost always working.
2. If you aren't sure, come back in a few minutes. Non-pros who happen to be walking are going somewhere, which isn't up and down the same stretch of road. On hobbyist streets, the local women tend to avoid looking like they might be in business, unless they are!
3. If she is watching traffic, she's probably a SW.
4. If she makes eye contact with you, she's probably a SW.
5. If she smiles at you, she is a SW. After all, you're just some dude driving by. Remember to smile back at her, dummy!
6. If she's with a "boyfriend", who disappears when you come around again, he's pimping her. Be careful! Don't unlock the door until she's ready to get in, with him nowhere to be seen!
7. THE PICKUP - Carefully pull over at the next parking lot, or around the next corner and park. If you're sure she saw you, feel free to pull further down the block, so your hookup isn't so easily observed by LEO. She'll casually turn down your block, walk past - and then suddenly walk up to see if you're letting her in. Keep eye contact, keep smiling - Offer her a ride and invite her in.
8. Lock the other doors! You're in a crime-filled neighborhood!
9. AVOIDING LE O's STINGS - NEVER EVER, EVER, EVER discuss anything with a girl who isn't seated in your car, except to offer her a ride. THAT'S ALL YOU'RE DOING! IT'S LEGAL! Just being a nice guy... On every board I've seen, LEO always tries to make the bust without their female risking her ass by getting in your car. READ THIS RULE AGAIN! IT'S IMPORTANT!
10. This is the perfect time for LEO to pull you over for rolling through a stop sign, just to harass your ass. Drive like a preacher! It's an effective way of intimidating we hobbyists, and they'll use any opportunity if they're watching.
11. Make a turn or two before discussing $$, just in case. Watch your rear view - you can bet she will, too! I've never heard of LE getting in the car, with a follower, but better safe than sorry. A favorite "COPS" LEO trick - she doesn't get in, but directs you to meet her around the corner. Guess who's waiting there, instead of her? If she doesn't get in right away, move on!
12. AVOIDING SCAMS - If you do a car date, and you let her pick the spot (she'll try to direct you), be aware that she may be setting you up for a robbery. Don't settle for her spot - or at least, force her to come up with a second choice. Her boyfriend can't be in two places at once.
13. If you go back to a hotel, and she picked it, be aware that this could be a setup for cash&dash, or her pimp busting in & robbing you.
14. If you go back to her place - are you mad? The "boyfriend busting in mad, waving a gun" scam probably happens a lot - since the victims won't report the robbery, they get by with it, even though the victims know where the robbers are staying!
15. If you go back to your hotel, be discreet so the management doesn't get embarased and call LEO on you.)
16. If you go back to your house - are you really ok with a potentially-addicted SW knowing where you live?
17. WALLET - Do not leave your wallet within her reach. If you think you know a clever spot to hide it, remember that 100's of others have thought of it, too. While you're distracted, her free hand can be working.
18. MONEY - Do not have more in your pocket than you want to spend. She (and your little head) will talk it out of you. If she's really worth an extra few dollars, you can go get it (out of the trunk, the ATM, your other pocket, whatever). Street rates vary but are rarely over 20 for BJ, 40-50 for FS. You can tip later if you think it's worth it. Remember, it isn't worth it just because you came. She'll always want a tip, if she thinks it's coming. Many will claim they "usually charge more" - the word on this board is: they don't. But, hey, some of these girls are hard-working, quality-driven providers, even though they're SW (not many but some), and they deserve a break.
19. HUNTING HOURS: They're out at all times, in most weather. They are out walking as early as 4:30am, and well past midnight. They work the lunch hours for guys on lunch, afternoons for guys on early shifts, mornings for guys who'll be late for work, and all through the evening. If it's lightly raining, there will be less, but there will be some. Most of these girls are drug addicts; their addiction doesn't have a "M-F, excluding legal holidays" schedule.
20. CFS!!! Carry a condom. Usually, they don't have one You don't want to be tempted to skip the cover because that pussy is so fine. Every time some SW claims "I'm the best! I'm worth more", it really means, "I'm a lame-ass lying lazy talent less junkie!" The good ones don't have to brag; they'll get your return business.
21. Don't let her use your cellphone. It's a very common request. She'll call her friend, or her own phone, and that will give her access to your # - which might set you up for unexpected & inopportune calls for business or bail money.
22. Be friendly to the ladies. (This does not mean place your trust in one.) These are people with feelings, not just automatron sex dispensers. If you're friendly, chatty, and warm, she'll open up, relax, and probably be more generous with her service, in all the little ways that matter most. Remember, if she's never hooked up with you before, she's worried that you might be either LE, or some psycho SW-stalker.
23. A true knock out, drop dead gorgeous chic rarely works the street. (Yes, I've found exceptions, BUT) she's more likely to be LEO. LEO also uses SW's and occasionally Mongers (Get us 4-5 guys/girls for arrest and you don't go to jail) to "entice" others into a deal, take her or meet up and the All LEO Party awaits.
Finally... my own "Words of Wisdom".
The Birds Creed:
Police Officers are not your freinds. Their job is to put the ladies out of work and you out of the hobby. They are always the enemy so far as our hobby goes. They will lie to you. They will threaten you. They will cojole you. They will apeal to your morals. They will try to flip the girl on you by telling her you just flipped her. And On and On and On. If your plan is to stay out of jail... Deny, Deny, Deny. Be freindly, be courteous, be firm but NEVER Admit ANYTHING. The minute you do, the minute you put your trust in the "system" and not these rules, you're on your way to hell.
Posted that last piece on the wrong thread and now my dumb ass don't know how to move it LOL sigh
[QUOTE=Jayhawkerict; 1867752]I've only had a lady not ask me for $ one (maybe two) times in all my years. There's always a price. Every girl may provide a different service and those rates will vary. What if you thought "tickle" meant HJTC and she thgouth it meant BBBJCIM. Those each carry a different price tag. If she started the BBBJCIM and finished and you produced $40 I'm sure she wouldn't be as happy as you.
I guess I don't see the issue. If it wouldn't have been for this board I wouldn't go to half the places I go to. I use it mostly for who to stay away from more than anything. I like to agree on a price for the deed before we move on. I don't want to be asked for $100 at the completion of a HJTC and think WTF I only have $40 left in my pockets and would've never paid that much in the first place.
I know that was kind of rambling but I hope you get my point.[/QUOTE]Well said. Without knowing what a tickle is, it is hard for me to judge if that was a reasonable price or not.
[QUOTE=Jayhawkerict; 1867752]I've only had a lady not ask me for $ one (maybe two) times in all my years. There's always a price. Every girl may provide a different service and those rates will vary. What if you thought "tickle" meant HJTC and she thgouth it meant BBBJCIM. Those each carry a different price tag. If she started the BBBJCIM and finished and you produced $40 I'm sure she wouldn't be as happy as you.
I guess I don't see the issue. If it wouldn't have been for this board I wouldn't go to half the places I go to. I use it mostly for who to stay away from more than anything. I like to agree on a price for the deed before we move on. I don't want to be asked for $100 at the completion of a HJTC and think WTF I only have $40 left in my pockets and would've never paid that much in the first place.
I know that was kind of rambling but I hope you get my point.[/QUOTE]EXACTLY. That's what's good about sticking with places you know. I think though across the board they are all the same. Some places if you have never been there before will charge a little more and tell you next time they will do it cheaper. $40 seems the norm for what I THINK you are referring to as a "tickle".
[QUOTE=JohnnyTheWad; 1867858]oops I meant borrowed LOL. I saw this piece posted by another monger (thanks bro) and thought I would share it here in ICT.
Rules of Mongering
1. IS SHE?. It isn't like the movies.They wear ordinary clothes, and are just walking alone, with no bags, or maybe making a phone call at a pay phone (but if you could check, there would be no one on the line). A female walking alone, without shopping bags on a hobbyist street is almost always working.
2. If you aren't sure, come back in a few minutes. Non-pros who happen to be walking are going somewhere, which isn't up and down the same stretch of road. On hobbyist streets, the local women tend to avoid looking like they might be in business, unless they are!
3. If she is watching traffic, she's probably a SW.
4. If she makes eye contact with you, she's probably a SW.
5. If she smiles at you, she is a SW. After all, you're just some dude driving by. Remember to smile back at her, dummy!
6. If she's with a "boyfriend", who disappears when you come around again, he's pimping her. Be careful! Don't unlock the door until she's ready to get in, with him nowhere to be seen!
7. THE PICKUP. Carefully pull over at the next parking lot, or around the next corner and park. If you're sure she saw you, feel free to pull further down the block, so your hookup isn't so easily observed by LEO. She'll casually turn down your block, walk past. And then suddenly walk up to see if you're letting her in. Keep eye contact, keep smiling. Offer her a ride and invite her in.
8. Lock the other doors! You're in a crime-filled neighborhood!
9. AVOIDING LE O's STINGS. NEVER EVER, EVER, EVER discuss anything with a girl who isn't seated in your car, except to offer her a ride. THAT'S ALL YOU'RE DOING! IT'S LEGAL! Just being a nice guy. On every board I've seen, LEO always tries to make the bust without their female risking her ass by getting in your car. READ THIS RULE AGAIN! IT'S IMPORTANT!
10. This is the perfect time for LEO to pull you over for rolling through a stop sign, just to harass your ass. Drive like a preacher! It's an effective way of intimidating we hobbyists, and they'll use any opportunity if they're watching.
11. Make a turn or two before discussing $$, just in case. Watch your rear view. You can bet she will, too! I've never heard of LE getting in the car, with a follower, but better safe than sorry. A favorite "COPS" LEO trick. She doesn't get in, but directs you to meet her around the corner. Guess who's waiting there, instead of her? If she doesn't get in right away, move on!
12. AVOIDING SCAMS. If you do a car date, and you let her pick the spot (she'll try to direct you) , be aware that she may be setting you up for a robbery. Don't settle for her spot. Or at least, force her to come up with a second choice. Her boyfriend can't be in two places at once.
13. If you go back to a hotel, and she picked it, be aware that this could be a setup for cash&dash, or her pimp busting in & robbing you.
14. If you go back to her place. Are you mad? The "boyfriend busting in mad, waving a gun" scam probably happens a lot. Since the victims won't report the robbery, they get by with it, even though the victims know where the robbers are staying!
15. If you go back to your hotel, be discreet so the management doesn't get embarased and call LEO on you.)
16. If you go back to your house. Are you really ok with a potentially-addicted SW knowing where you live?
17. WALLET. Do not leave your wallet within her reach. If you think you know a clever spot to hide it, remember that 100's of others have thought of it, too. While you're distracted, her free hand can be working.
18. MONEY. Do not have more in your pocket than you want to spend. She (and your little head) will talk it out of you. If she's really worth an extra few dollars, you can go get it (out of the trunk, the ATM, your other pocket, whatever). Street rates vary but are rarely over 20 for BJ. 40-50 for FS. You can tip later if you think it's worth it. Remember, it isn't worth it just because you came. She'll always want a tip, if she thinks it's coming. Many will claim they "usually charge more". The word on this board is: they don't. But, hey, some of these girls are hard-working, quality-driven providers, even though they're SW (not many but some) , and they deserve a break.
19. HUNTING HOURS: They're out at all times, in most weather. They are out walking as early as 4:30am, and well past midnight. They work the lunch hours for guys on lunch, afternoons for guys on early shifts, mornings for guys who'll be late for work, and all through the evening. If it's lightly raining, there will be less, but there will be some. Most of these girls are drug addicts; their addiction doesn't have a "M-F, excluding legal holidays" schedule.
20. CFS! Carry a condom. Usually, they don't have one You don't want to be tempted to skip the cover because that pussy is so fine. Every time some SW claims "I'm the best! I'm worth more", it really means,"I'm a lame-ass lying lazy talent less junkie!" The good ones don't have to brag; they'll get your return business.
21. Don't let her use your cellphone. It's a very common request. She'll call her friend, or her own phone, and that will give her access to your #. Which might set you up for unexpected & inopportune calls for business or bail money.
22. Be friendly to the ladies. (This does not mean place your trust in one.) These are people with feelings, not just automatron sex dispensers. If you're friendly, chatty, and warm, she'll open up, relax, and probably be more generous with her service, in all the little ways that matter most. Remember, if she's never hooked up with you before, she's worried that you might be either LE, or some psycho SW-stalker.
23. A true knock out, drop dead gorgeous chic rarely works the street. (Yes, I've found exceptions, BUT) she's more likely to be LEO. LEO also uses SW's and occasionally Mongers (Get us 4-5 guys / girls for arrest and you don't go to jail) to "entice" others into a deal, take her or meet up and the All LEO Party awaits.
Finally. My own "Words of Wisdom".
The Birds Creed:
Police Officers are not your freinds. Their job is to put the ladies out of work and you out of the hobby. They are always the enemy so far as our hobby goes. They will lie to you. They will threaten you. They will cojole you. They will apeal to your morals. They will try to flip the girl on you by telling her you just flipped her. And On and On and On. If your plan is to stay out of jail. Deny, Deny, Deny. Be freindly, be courteous, be firm but NEVER Admit ANYTHING. The minute you do, the minute you put your trust in the "system" and not these rules, you're on your way to hell.[/QUOTE]Ah, isn't this the old bird of prey's post from many moons ago? I haven't seen that guy on here in ages. He move away or just get banged to death, LOL