Strip Club Reports

Yes, the clubs are lame in PHX compared to TUS. However, the AMP's are virtually on every corner in PHX area where there is only one in TUS. Get a New Times in PHX free at any convenience store and read the ads in the back or RTFF for PHX.

Stay away from the area south of the airport in PHX. There are no legitimate or honest sex oriented establishments in that area.

Street action is very risky as there are these horribly stringent AZ laws that can incapacitate a monger. Overkill IMHO.

The parlors are the way to fly safely in PHX.

The strip clubs are the way in TUS. Candy Store in afternoons, Turbulence at nights.

[QUOTE=Merlin Magician]Yes, the clubs are lame in PHX compared to TUS. However, the AMP's are virtually on every corner in PHX area where there is only one in TUS. Get a New Times in PHX free at any convenience store and read the ads in the back or RTFF for PHX.

Stay away from the area south of the airport in PHX. There are no legitimate or honest sex oriented establishments in that area.

Street action is very risky as there are these horribly stringent AZ laws that can incapacitate a monger. Overkill IMHO.

The parlors are the way to fly safely in PHX.

The strip clubs are the way in TUS. Candy Store in afternoons, Turbulence at nights.[/QUOTE]


Excellent and succinct analysis.
Sexhobbyist

Forgive me but I needed to vent a little...

Was in CS on Monday afternoon and witnessed what I think is a complete shame. Was sitting watching the stage when a young hottie came by and stopped to talk to another customer nearby. She dropped what looked like a bill but didn't notice. Then she went into the dressing room. Another guy must have seen this as well as he jumps up and makes his way over towards the stage (like he's going to tip the dancer on stage) and casually picks up the bill. He takes a look at it and quickly puts it in his pocket. A few minutes later the dancer comes out and is clearly looking on the ground where's she's been (obviously looking for her bill). After she scours the area a little the guy that picked up her bill calls her over (I thought he was going to do the right thing and give it back to her). They start to chat and she tells him she's looking for a $20 that she just dropped. This guy doesn't say a word and just says he's sorry that she lost it! If I had it to do over I might have said something but I didn't want to get in the middle of things.

What would others do? Chalk it up to her fault for losing her money? I know if I had picked it up I would have given it back to her in a heartbeat. I thought about saying something while I tipped her on stage but I got distracted, lol.

Another thing that got to me that afternoon was the drinks. I don't know if CS has changed their policy, started enforcing a policy they've had, or the waitresses are trying to scam guys but Monday I tried to get a glass of water (which I've done often in the past). They bring me a bottle of water for $3.50 - ok, I'll take it this time. Later, another waitress comes around and asks if I want anything else? I say no and she says "it's a two drink minimum." This is after I've been there for over an hour - spent money in dances and VIP, etc. Now they are trying to force me to buy more drinks? What gives???? I know they make their money on drinks and such and I don't mind buying but I don't want to be forced to buy. Most of the waitresses also know that I tip them pretty good even if they just bring me a glass of water.

Anyway, end of today's rant... Maybe Amie can shed some light on things for me if she sees this.

I haven't run into that of yet. Usually I order a water back with the beer (that I've never been charge for) and I've never heard of a 2 drink minimum. Hmm.. maybe they just think I'm cute? ;)

On other fronts I did have a chance to stop by CS earlier. One of those days where I didn't have a whole lot of time to spend so I figured VIP wouldn't work. I did run across a sweetheart just after getting the beer who was just an angel. I've seen VIP dances that weren't as good as her floor dance. Well, let's just say that I helped out the economy as best I could with the time to spare. Next time we'll have to move to the VIP. That could have been *really* good!

[QUOTE=Merlin Magician] Stay away from the area south of the airport in PHX.

Street action is very risky as there are these horribly stringent AZ laws that can incapacitate a monger. Overkill IMHO.

The strip clubs are the way in TUS. Candy Store in afternoons, Turbulence at nights.[/QUOTE]Great summary with key points. Thanks.

AM

I am very sad to report on a most unpleasant experience at the CS on Wed. night. I've been going there for a number of years and have never had anything like this sort of thing happen.

Uncharacteristically, I was there in the evening (I'm usually there in the daytime or afternoon). I showed up around 10 and ended up staying until last call. The dancers are more mercenary in the evenings, but basically everything was fine and enjoyable until the very end of the night at which point I spotted a dancer I'd been wanting to get dances from all night coming out of the VIP room. I asked if she was busy, she wasn't, and we ended up in the VIP together where I learned she literally just started working there. She said it was her second day at the CS and that she had been at TD's West previously. The dancer I'm talking about is a slim brunette (dang and blast I can't remember her stage name...).

The few dances I had with her were alright, but not spectacular by any means and I didn't want to continue after what I swear were only 2 songs. She said she thought it had been four songs, but ceded that it may have only been 3. Not wanting to create a scene I paid her for 3 songs and tried to leave.

She then told me that the final few dances of the evening are always $20, not $10. I'd never heard of such a thing and really felt like I was being hustled. Particularly since I'd already, out of a desire not to rock the boat, paid for a dance I'm darn sure I didn't get. I didn't want to give her any more dough but she was quite insistant. It ended up being a three way conversation including the bouncer. He verified her claim, and I paid the additional money.

Another wrinkle in all of this is that during the conversation with the bouncer she indicated that I'd been an innaproppriatly touchy customer. Now this is bullshit. Like I said earlier, I've been going to the CS for a number of years on a semi-regular basis (usually once a month but sometimes as much as 2 or 3 times a month) and I have it down to a science how to behave with unfamiliar dancers. I never push the envelope in terms of touching and take my cues from the dancer with regard to how much is acceptable. I even have a little speech I often use, and I definitely gave this particular dancer my speech. I say something to the effect of: "Please let me know what your ground rules are. I've had a lot of different experiences with a lot of different dancers and I don't wish to violate boundaries. What are yours"? She responded by saying: "Let's play it by ear and I'll let you know if you cross any". I thought this was pretty vague and decided to be conservative. The most I did was put my hands on her hips and squeeze her buttocks during the dances, in response to which she said nothing. Only during the conversation that included the bouncer did she mention that anything I'd done was innappropriate. Seems a bit self-serving to me. It was her word against mine though, and her word seemed to carry more weight.

In short, it was a shakedown in my opinion, pure and simple. And the bouncer seemed to be in on it. I'm dissappointed in that guy as I've always tipped the bouncers when I pay my VIP entrance fee and I've put a decent amount in his pocket over the years.

I'm definately never going to the CS again in the evening, which is when a more mercenary kind of place emerges from the laid back CS I love. And I'm ambivilant about ever going back at all.

Has anyone else experienced or witnessed anything like this? Is this part of some new trend? I'd love input from others.

[QUOTE=jwny72]The few dances I had with her were alright, but not spectacular by any means and I didn't want to continue after what I swear were only 2 songs. She said she thought it had been four songs, but ceded that it may have only been 3. Not wanting to create a scene I paid her for 3 songs and tried to leave.

She then told me that the final few dances of the evening are always $20, not $10. I'd never heard of such a thing and really felt like I was being hustled. Particularly since I'd already, out of a desire not to rock the boat, paid for a dance I'm darn sure I didn't get. I didn't want to give her any more dough but she was quite insistant. It ended up being a three way conversation including the bouncer. He verified her claim, and I paid the additional money.
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Has anyone else experienced or witnessed anything like this? Is this part of some new trend? I'd love input from others.[/QUOTE]
A few comments for you, jwny72. First, I have definitely been suprised by 'dance count discrepencies' with some dancers (not just at CS). Some of the girls are probably just looking to score some extra $$ while others may just lose track depending on how heated the dances get. Usually I will comment that I was sorry but thought the number was such and such but pay them for the extra songs (much like you did). However, I will definitely note the behaviour for future visits. If needed, it can be a good thing to periodically confirm with the girl the number of dances. Say something like, "wow, I've really enjoyed all FOUR of your dances so far. Let's do a few more." This can then let her know that at least you are keeping track of them with her. To be sure, I've never had a dancer get that far off after only 2 or 3 songs, though.

There is definitely a policy that the songs at the very end of the night are double the price (floor or VIP). They say this is because they are longer in length and meant for you to get more enjoyment out of them. Whenever I've been there that late I've found that the dancer will (should) tell you ahead of time this vital info. I've also heard them announce it from the DJ but could be missed if you're not really paying attention. Everyone has to make their own judgement as to the worth of paying the extra $$ but I've seldom seen any difference in the dances myself. In your case maybe you could've paid the higher rate but then stood firm on the number of dances (so in effect paying $20 each but for only the two you rec'd). Just depends on how much heat you would want to take and how much the extra $$ really means to you. Again, I would probably pay for it and then make a note of who to avoid in the future.

As for the bouncer...I could be way off base here but remember the bouncer works for the club and I'm assuming would side on whatever gets the club more money in the end. I'm not too sure how much the club is willing to bend over backwards to insure you come back again so they probably don't care a whole lot if you leave a bit irked.

[QUOTE=Kirstyforme]A few comments for you, jwny72. First, I have definitely been suprised by 'dance count discrepencies' with some dancers (not just at CS). Some of the girls are probably just looking to score some extra $$ while others may just lose track depending on how heated the dances get. Usually I will comment that I was sorry but thought the number was such and such but pay them for the extra songs (much like you did). However, I will definitely note the behaviour for future visits. If needed, it can be a good thing to periodically confirm with the girl the number of dances. Say something like, "wow, I've really enjoyed all FOUR of your dances so far. Let's do a few more." This can then let her know that at least you are keeping track of them with her. To be sure, I've never had a dancer get that far off after only 2 or 3 songs, though.

There is definitely a policy that the songs at the very end of the night are double the price (floor or VIP). They say this is because they are longer in length and meant for you to get more enjoyment out of them. Whenever I've been there that late I've found that the dancer will (should) tell you ahead of time this vital info. I've also heard them announce it from the DJ but could be missed if you're not really paying attention. Everyone has to make their own judgement as to the worth of paying the extra $$ but I've seldom seen any difference in the dances myself. In your case maybe you could've paid the higher rate but then stood firm on the number of dances (so in effect paying $20 each but for only the two you rec'd). Just depends on how much heat you would want to take and how much the extra $$ really means to you. Again, I would probably pay for it and then make a note of who to avoid in the future.

As for the bouncer...I could be way off base here but remember the bouncer works for the club and I'm assuming would side on whatever gets the club more money in the end. I'm not too sure how much the club is willing to bend over backwards to insure you come back again so they probably don't care a whole lot if you leave a bit irked.[/QUOTE]


I wonder how long it will take the shill for CS to respond to this report!!

[QUOTE=Kirstyforme]Forgive me but I needed to vent a little...

Was in CS on Monday afternoon and witnessed what I think is a complete shame. Was sitting watching the stage when a young hottie came by and stopped to talk to another customer nearby. She dropped what looked like a bill but didn't notice. Then she went into the dressing room. Another guy must have seen this as well as he jumps up and makes his way over towards the stage (like he's going to tip the dancer on stage) and casually picks up the bill. He takes a look at it and quickly puts it in his pocket. A few minutes later the dancer comes out and is clearly looking on the ground where's she's been (obviously looking for her bill). After she scours the area a little the guy that picked up her bill calls her over (I thought he was going to do the right thing and give it back to her). They start to chat and she tells him she's looking for a $20 that she just dropped. This guy doesn't say a word and just says he's sorry that she lost it! If I had it to do over I might have said something but I didn't want to get in the middle of things.

What would others do? Chalk it up to her fault for losing her money? I know if I had picked it up I would have given it back to her in a heartbeat. I thought about saying something while I tipped her on stage but I got distracted, lol.

Another thing that got to me that afternoon was the drinks. I don't know if CS has changed their policy, started enforcing a policy they've had, or the waitresses are trying to scam guys but Monday I tried to get a glass of water (which I've done often in the past). They bring me a bottle of water for $3.50 - ok, I'll take it this time. Later, another waitress comes around and asks if I want anything else? I say no and she says "it's a two drink minimum." This is after I've been there for over an hour - spent money in dances and VIP, etc. Now they are trying to force me to buy more drinks? What gives???? I know they make their money on drinks and such and I don't mind buying but I don't want to be forced to buy. Most of the waitresses also know that I tip them pretty good even if they just bring me a glass of water.

Anyway, end of today's rant... Maybe Amie can shed some light on things for me if she sees this.[/QUOTE]




There is a two drink min. But most of the time if you are a regular then they do not enforce it because they know that you are spending money. Latly I have seen them enforcing this because of the fact that this is the slow time of the year so they are upcharging some and not others and then pulling the two drink min. thing. You could always say that you just orderd from someone, or just order another.

[QUOTE=Juicy Amie]There is a two drink min. But most of the time if you are a regular then they do not enforce it because they know that you are spending money. Latly I have seen them enforcing this because of the fact that this is the slow time of the year so they are upcharging some and not others and then pulling the two drink min. thing. You could always say that you just orderd from someone, or just order another.[/QUOTE]

Wait a minute, it's slow so they upcharge some and enforce others - hell of a way to run a business. Good thing there are other better clubs in town.

[QUOTE=Paul Stearn]I wonder how long it will take the shill for CS to respond to this report!![/QUOTE]

Paul, your comment was uncalled for. We all tout where we do well. If you dont get what you want and others do that is a "you" problem not an "our" problem.

[QUOTE=TucGuy]Paul, your comment was uncalled for. We all tout where we do well. If you dont get what you want and others do that is a "you" problem not an "our" problem.[/QUOTE]
Just want to put in my 2 cents worth. TucGuy, I respect you as a valuable member of the USG, as I also respect Paul Stearn.
Paul's beef is, apparently, with a particular member of the Tucson strip club thread.
I respect Paul Stearn and I would suggest that he be allowed to have his exchanges with that particular member without second-guessing from other members. Paul has made significant and valuable contributions to the USG and my advice would be to not be too critical of his comments.
You apparently assumed that his comments were directed at a particular individual, but maybe you are wrong.
You expressed your opinion and certainly have every right to do so. I just think that this issue is between two specific members and others should stay out of the fray.
IMHO
DN

Hey DN! Haven't seen ya post on here in a bit and figure I'd give ya a virtual wave hello. Was out your way about a month ago and can't wait to return.

BP

[QUOTE=Dick North]Just want to put in my 2 cents worth. TucGuy, I respect you as a valuable member of the USG, as I also respect Paul Stearn.
Paul's beef is, apparently, with a particular member of the Tucson strip club thread.
I respect Paul Stearn and I would suggest that he be allowed to have his exchanges with that particular member without second-guessing from other members. Paul has made significant and valuable contributions to the USG and my advice would be to not be too critical of his comments.
You apparently assumed that his comments were directed at a particular individual, but maybe you are wrong.
You expressed your opinion and certainly have every right to do so. I just think that this issue is between two specific members and others should stay out of the fray.
IMHO
DN[/QUOTE]

I agree that Paul is a respected poster but I have never seen anything like this happen on our board here in Tucson and dont want to see it. If he has a beef with a single poster then take it to PM or post his opinion and complaint for all to read and know what he is talking about. I watched a huge war of words in another city and it was so bad it ruined the board for us until the powers stepped in and stopped it. Also how could his comment about a CS shill not be about a poster? JMHO

[QUOTE=TucGuy]I agree that Paul is a respected poster but I have never seen anything like this happen on our board here in Tucson and dont want to see it. If he has a beef with a single poster then take it to PM or post his opinion and complaint for all to read and know what he is talking about. I watched a huge war of words in another city and it was so bad it ruined the board for us until the powers stepped in and stopped it. Also how could his comment about a CS shill not be about a poster? JMHO[/QUOTE]
TucGuy, no question it's another poster. He already said that. If a disagreement reaches a stage where it becomes a distraction and a nuisance for the rest of us, then yes ... the involved individuals should 'take it to the mat' via pm.

Booty Pirate! ... Hey don't be such a stanger when you are out here! One of these days we'll have to get together and ogle some fine AZ scenery.

DN