So, how does Florida regulate pornography?
[QUOTE=Voltron94;2578411]Producing pornography is illegal in most areas of the country, and heavily regulated in areas where it is legal.
Not to mention that pornography is a terrible front. Why? For starters, porn is far more lucrative business than escorts. Secondly, because providers & clients value discretion. What happens when the cops raid a room and your forms are full of fake info and there is no footage on the camera?[/QUOTE]Just curious. My understanding is that Florida is second only to California in the production of pornography.
And, uh, yeah, you would want to turn the cameras on.
Speaking of which, does anyone know anything about the "personal pornography" outfit that used to operate in (of all places) Callahan? As I understand it, the recording was yours to keep, not for distribution, & the damage was about a grand a pop.
I've got a friend with benefits in another state who does some "mature" porn & gets $1000 - $1500 per shoot. She insists that it is all perfectly legal & is nothing like being an escort, but except for the pay scale, it seems like a fine distinction to me.
I'm not sure how long you've been in this hobby BUT
[QUOTE=FearTheSpear;2578419]Thats all well and fine to not discuss any services rendered until the second or third time you see a provider, but that only works IF you have enough money to waste to go & see chic after chic, week after week. Most of these chics aren't even worth going to see one time, much less a second or third time. How the hell does a man KNOW exactly WHAT he is getting for his money. If he doesn't ask what is and what isn't offered on the first visit? What if he wants to do a specific fetish or Greek but the chic doesn't render those services?? Now he done wasted his time AND gas coming all the way clear across town to see this chic, just to get there and be told "no, I don't do this or that" and then has to turn around and leave because the chic doesn't offer the specific services he wants. That's like going into something blindly and who the hell wants to do that?? Better yet, that's like getting hired on a new job, but waiting until you get your second paycheck to find out exactly how much you're getting paid and what benefits the company offer. Uhhh, hello?? You suppose to find that out during the interview, not after getting hired! As far as giving donations, cardinal rule number 1 is NEVER pay upfront on the first time, period. No matter if the chic has 50 million good reviews! There is nothing wrong with counting the donation out in front of her so she can see you've got the donation and the full amount, but she must WORK FIRST, then get paid! If they can't agree to that, I wouldn't even waste my gas coming to see them.
Now as far as Ms Chase is concerned, some random dipshit jackass ripped her off here and that azzhole just made it harder for other guys here. However, I can't say that I feel sorry for her, considering the fact that she does have a review from Dec 2013 on ThE otheR site where a guy stated he paid for the PSE experience and that it was a waste of money and he didn't get to do Greek. (Hound88's review). I be dam if I cough up the cash to pay for PSE and I don't get to do Greek. That in itself has made me not want to see her.[/QUOTE]
Your comparison between a conversation about job salaries and benefits versus a conversation with a lady about sex acts is not even close to being comparable (apples to oranges). Number one, there is nothing illegal about a conversation around benefits / salaries, etc. However, so you know, IT IS illegal in many parts of this country to pay for sex. Now, I'd rather lose $60-100 and not go to jail versus not only lose, let's say $80, but my freedom too. Hell, I'd rather lose $500 than to face that BRUTAL legal system and it will not be kind to you! When you can't get certain jobs, can't get into certain college programs, obtain certain professional licenses, can't live in certain areas as some landlords do background checks too; you WILL KNOW how much damage you've done to yourself because you refuse to risk losing $60-80 or whatever. Because once you give that UNDERCOVER that $80 or whatever you agreed upon (after your sex conversation), that won't be the only thing you lose. You WILL go to jail for having a discussion about sex and money then the cost to hire an attorney, bail, then possibly lose your job (as many have) will certainly be more costly than the $80 you might lose. You cannot have a short sighted view of this thing. You have got to think about safety and your future first! Like I said, I am not sure how long you've been doing this but know this, being an active participant in this so-called hobby will FRUCK you up and that's a promise; not from Allstate but from law enforcement! We should all try to pick a girl as carefully as possible but even then, too many variables may still lead to a so so session. Remember, a LEO woman will always try to get you to incriminate yourself (VERBALLY) and will not get naked or anything close to that.
But hey, before you decide to go down the road of your choice, my advice is that you make out a comparison table: a) my method versus b) your method. Under my method, you stand to lose whatever amount you paid for the session; let's say, $80; with your method, providing she is an undercover vice, not only will you lose the $80 but all the other things I listed at the top (loss of job, attorney fees, bail, IN ADDITION- sealing / expungement services, and family in some cases); accumulatively speaking, these services can run you an easy $4000 and we haven't even talked about the embarrassment you will have to face. Just loss of job alone may cause you to have to take a job at McDonald's! You may go from making $80,000 a year to way less than 1/2 that! There was a coach at Bishop Kenny who got caught up in a sting and of course he can't ever teach around kids again plus all the other repercussions of his actions. He probably had the same mentality as yourself- having a discussion about sex and money! Whenever I've had conversations with LEO in the past, I always deflect sexual conversations but they try whatever they can to get me to talk dumb shet! Anyway, buddy, it's your choice. I'd much rather lose 80 than several thousand dollars and then some. Remember this too, in your lifetime, you can only get ONE record sealed. So if you have another arrest record that is causing you to have difficulty obtaining employment, then you get arrested for this thing, you now must decide which to seal- but one of the 2 will still be visible! Like I said, this so-called hobby has the potential to FRUCK your life up forever! This is the purpose of not getting into details with a provider. Even if LEO did still arrest you (and you did not discuss sex and money), the likelihood that you will get off is very strong with a decent attorney. I always say don't hand LEO your azz on a golden platter but hey, have it your way! It's sho life! Have your discussion but like the young lady said, your day IS coming!
Your ignorance is absolutely painful!
[QUOTE=FearTheSpear;2579630]Really?? Like po-po can't bust you UNLESS you ask questions! PLEASE!! You do realize all they need is for you to answer the back page ad, show up, hand over money & start taking your clothes off, right? They got your ass then!
How did you find the chics telephone number? Oh, so you were actively perusing thru the escorts section of backpage looking for pay-for-play, right? Because that is the ONLY way you would have got the chics (decoy) number! How did you know exactly what hotel & room number to come to?? How did you know that she wanted $200 per hour & you just so coincidentally showed up with exactly $200?? Oh, so you just randomly show up at any hotel, pick a room out of the blue & hand over $200 to whoever answers the door, right? Then start getting undressed, right?? ROTFLMAO. As if JSO actually NEED you to ask a question!![/QUOTE]
You obviously do not know the law do you! Well, let the kid enlighten you with a few words! First, let me say that in order to break a speeding law on the road, one must drive faster than the speed limit (simple right?). For example: if the speed limit says 60 miles per hour and you go one mile over that, technically, you are breaking the law. Although the likelihood that you will get a ticket is very slim since many allow at least 5 miles per hour over the limit, nevertheless, LEO can still give you a ticket!
Now, what is the definition of prostitution? It is the exchange for sex or sex act for money or something of monetary value. What does this mean? If you contact a provider and you discuss a sex act for $100, $1. 00 or for a can of tuna (the latter having monetary value), you have just broken the law and your ARSE is going to jail!
What is not breaking the law: 1) responding to an escort ad; 2) showing up with agreed upon money; 3) knowing where her room is; 4) disrobing (as you could have asked for a bodyrub which isn't illegal); 5) knowing her phone number. These enumerated items are not against the law! I repeat! These enumerated items are not against the law!
The reason the ad's are placed is to get you to the point of contacting the provider and making an offer of money for a sex act! This is where the line MUST be crossed in order for LEO to secure a charge/conviction for solicitation! According to your definition and criteria, I should have been arrested a long time ago for solicitation! But guess what? Never have I ever been arrested for solicitation of prostitution! Why!? Because I know what I'm talking about! I know what I'm doing! I have studied this more extensively than you (obviously)!
Let me tell you what a very attractive vice officer told me some time ago. This woman (officer unbeknownst to me at the time and while her undercover partner was standing outside waiting for me to say the wrong thing) tried to get me to admit to any number of sex acts for about $140. I said to myself, at the time, whatever I can do in a strip club, legally, I can do here in this room. So I played along and essentially told her we WILL NOT have sex; the only thing I wanted her to do is dance either in lingerie or bra and panties (what a sight it would have been to see JSO vice-lady in bara and panties and she was hawt!); I said to her I didn't want HIV, etc. (This was actually for the recording they would have played before Judge Judy!). This went on for quite some time. Anywho, I got to the point and said I better get out of here before I say the wrong thing (to myself) then I told her I'd have to go to the bank to get the money before we start session (which was true); only thing, I was coming back but just not to that room! She obviously figured out what I was doing (trying to leave) and she said, "you're coming back aren't you?" I said yes I am. She then turned around and said to me, "you did good!" I looked at her strangely and she said, "we're the VICE!" The guy came back in the room and both of them showed me their badges! Not handcuffs!
According to your limited knowledge of this, I should have been arrested, tried, and convicted but guess what?! Didn't happen! So continue to ROTFLMAO if you wish but I did this several times and trust me, it wasn't because they were being nice to me and decided to just let me go or because I was so cute! It was because, legally, they had nothing! Now, as I mentioned before, you are welcomed to stress over that little $60 dollars all you want BUT when those folks take your freedom and everything else, you'll understand Pete! Let me RE-PETE: when those folks take your freedom and everything else, you'll understand!
One thing I will give you though- you are correct, it is possible, if they wanted to make life miserable for you, they might go ahead and arrest you (though not likely without you breaking the law; who wants that paperwork!) BUT the part you're not paying attention to is this: even if they do arrest you, as long as you had not discussed money and sex, the likelihood that a "GOOD" lawyer will get you off and get the charges dropped is significantly higher! However, if you hand them your azz on a platter, then the charges will likely stick!
Again, have it your way! Do as you please but folks I promise you, don't let this fella steer you wrong! He could be JSO trying to offset you! With as few post as he has, it could be just that! To offset you! Forget the $60! Consider the thousands you might be out of! It's sho life!
Look fellas, I have nothing to gain by getting into a pissing contest with this fella. I am just looking out for your best interest! I know when you leave this so-called hobby, you don't want the remnants of this to affect your life forever! Remember this too: LEO can create an account on this site too!
A2 thanks for this thread because it certainly allows us to argue our points of view without tying up other threads but this discussion is certainly necessary in order for the men of this board to stay safe.
As for this fella, I have given you my best argument. ENOUGH! No more back and forth! You either believe it and accept it or you can reject it! It's sho life!
I know I said I will not go back and forth with you BUT
[QUOTE=FearTheSpear;2579569]You just HAD to write a long ass thesis statement on the dangers of being trapped up in this game, right?? As if I didn't KNOW any better. Look, I'm not saying you should incriminate yourself. What I'm saying is, there is NO WAY OF KNOWING what services these chics offer compared to what you're looking for! So obviously, you need to ask questions. The questions you ask shouldn't be blatantly obvious, but at least "code word" things so you'll know what she will do & won't do. Then you can decide on whether or not you want to see the chic or find someone else. Just like a job interview. You ask questions to the employer in an effort to determine if what they are willing to offer is something you can accept, should they want to give you the job. No guy in their right mind wants to go into something BLINDLY, not knowing what he will be able to do. For chics that have websites & reviews, you pretty much KNOW what they offer & don't offer. So there is NO NEED to ask questions. But the majority of these chics have no reviews, no websites, no nothing. Some don't even state a donation amt. Bkpg ad says nothing. Soooo, how do you suppose to know what THEY will & won't do if they state nothing in their ad & you don't ask questions (in a coded manner! Ex. Instead of asking do you do anal, you could ask: do you offer trips to Greece? Again, that's going in blindly. Now if you want to be the one to throw your hard earned money out in the wind blindly, hey go ahead, do as you please. Its a free country & the free market reins supreme. But I personally think that's very stupid & have no compassion for you when you've been ripped off by a chic. Can't blame providers when you're the one exercising no caution when it comes to your money![/QUOTE]
I saw this post after I wrote the one above and the only thing I will add to this is that LEO does understand these coded words, as you say; so even if you do use them, you might still be in hot water; Let me make this suggestion though. As I would think you are aware, usually if a girl does Greek, she is going to ask for more money for said service, be that $50 plus. Why is it not an option to limit your conversation prior to meeting the lady; take the additional money with you; wait till you guys are actually conducting biz then ask the question about Greek then. If she is LEO, trust me, NO BIZ whatsoever will ever get that far. As I said before, a LEO woman will try to get you to incriminate yourself wayyyy before that supposed biz. If the girl says (while biz is going on, like her finger in your arse) that she will for extra donation, then at least you know you're likely safe. Anyway, as I said, no back and forth; just thought I'd address this post. BTW, if you are legit, forgive me but if not, have a nice day! LOL.
Btw, you'd be surprised how many women don't even know these codes! Some are so dense, you almost have to spell the shet out for them to the point of being almost blatant. I've asked some, do you have a raincoat in case it rains and they literally think I'm talking about a darn raincoat for the weather! BP has many amateurs on it! So in short, don't think they all will know what you're talking about.
