Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=SinfulDreams;2733469]Hmmm might come down when it's warm out. I have a lot of travelling coming up. Cozumel, St Thomas, and Maui.[/QUOTE]Ah yes. Cozumel, St. Thomas, Maui, Memphis. Those places are frequently mentioned in one sentence! 😬.

I'm always been very apprehensive about the reviews on girls not contacting clients back. I am not talking about the girls who go radio silent after you've left your house and are on your way to a confirmed appointment. THAT kind of time wasting definitely needs to be reported.

I am referring to reviewing girls who just don't respond to your initial overtures. What's the point, and is that really fair? Sure you are disappointed that after taking the time to wade through all the ads and eliminating those that are fakes, flakes, and just not your type, you settle on "the one"; the one ad whose looks and price point all intersect. You initiate contact salivating on the prospects that soon you're be rolling in erotic bliss. You wait, and you wait, and you wait some more. Your fantasy gets reduced to a dream with the eroticism as doing your taxes.

You are disappointed, sure. But is that grounds for a scathing review? Providers have a life outside the hobby and to expect them to be available 27/7/365 is just expecting too much. Maybe it was your approach. You used certain words that caused her to distrust you, and thus decided it was better if she never starts anything she doesn't want to see through to the end. It could be a multitude of things.

Is it fair to ding her for taking a step back?

[QUOTE=DNut;2736206]I'm always been very apprehensive about the reviews on girls not contacting clients back. I am not talking about the girls who go radio silent after you've left your house and are on your way to a confirmed appointment. THAT kind of time wasting definitely needs to be reported.

I am referring to reviewing girls who just don't respond to your initial overtures. What's the point, and is that really fair? Sure you are disappointed that after taking the time to wade through all the ads and eliminating those that are fakes, flakes, and just not your type, you settle on "the one"; the one ad whose looks and price point all intersect. You initiate contact salivating on the prospects that soon you're be rolling in erotic bliss. You wait, and you wait, and you wait some more. Your fantasy gets reduced to a dream with the eroticism as doing your taxes.

You are disappointed, sure. But is that grounds for a scathing review? Providers have a life outside the hobby and to expect them to be available 27/7/365 is just expecting too much. Maybe it was your approach. You used certain words that caused her to distrust you, and thus decided it was better if she never starts anything she doesn't want to see through to the end. It could be a multitude of things.

Is it fair to ding her for taking a step back?[/QUOTE]You can't legitimately review a girl unless you have seen her, but if she recently posted an ad on BP or elsewhere, and doesn't return your call or text, or she makes you wait more than 15-30 min to see her after you made a date, then yes, I think it is fair to post that behavior. The knowledge of recurrent behavior can be very helpful in making a decision.

[QUOTE=Josh88;2736280]You can't legitimately review a girl unless you have seen her, [/QUOTE]Agreed.

[QUOTE=Josh88;2736280]but if she recently posted an ad on BP or elsewhere, and doesn't return your call or text, [/QUOTE]Why would it matter when she posted? First of all, BP can autopost ads. A provider does not have to personally be at her computer for her ad to move to the top. Secondly, even if she did just post, so what? It doesn't mean she's ready right then and there. Maybe she posted now, went to class, and was going to respond to the messages when she got out, at least those messages that appealed to her. What if your message to her was, "Hey baby. I only got $100. But you'll take it for a fuck, right?"? Does she still owe you a response then?

[QUOTE=Josh88;2736280]or she makes you wait more than 15-30 min to see her after you made a date, then yes, I think it is fair to post that behavior. The knowledge of recurrent behavior can be very helpful in making a decision.[/QUOTE]If she makes a date, then flakes, yes, report that.

But my original argument stands. A bad review of a girl who never made contact with you is unfair.

Its not right. Most providers won't talk menu and price on the phone, so we are forced to go to their location to 1. See her 2. More time to talk bus which is a turn off, 3. Wonder if we are on the play time clock. 4. are we going to get attacked. Many other possibilities. It all about money for all of us, 45 min of fun, if she got 50 or more, that is good income for 45 min, if she has a notel to pay for, then something more is fair. A normal work day for most of us is 8 hrs, so if she sees 3 guys at 100 each, room cost at 100,200 income for 2. 5 hrs of play x 5 day work week is 1000 tax free income. 13 hrs of play time per week. She would have a lot of free time to do whatever. I would bet that most see more guys per day, many have their own place to play. Ok sign me up if I was a female, I've never made that much per hour. Ladies, don't ruin a good thing, sooner or later many guys won't be able to afford, esp. Upcharges at the door. IMHO.

[QUOTE=LickClit;2736941]Its not right. Most providers won't talk menu and price on the phone, so we are forced to go to their location to 1. See her 2. More time to talk bus which is a turn off, 3. Wonder if we are on the play time clock. 4. are we going to get attacked. Many other possibilities. It all about money for all of us, 45 min of fun, if she got 50 or more, that is good income for 45 min, if she has a notel to pay for, then something more is fair. A normal work day for most of us is 8 hrs, so if she sees 3 guys at 100 each, room cost at 100,200 income for 2. 5 hrs of play x 5 day work week is 1000 tax free income. 13 hrs of play time per week. She would have a lot of free time to do whatever. I would bet that most see more guys per day, many have their own place to play. Ok sign me up if I was a female, I've never made that much per hour. Ladies, don't ruin a good thing, sooner or later many guys won't be able to afford, esp. Upcharges at the door. IMHO.[/QUOTE]Your math leads me to believe you need to understand the difference between "potentially", and" realistically".

But you are right. Upselling is BS. I leave at the first sign. Upselling is also why I have never seen Natti again since we met when she first came on the scene. She tried the upsell BS and the one-pop-or-one-hour (even though her ad stated MPOP, which she claimed she just copied off another provider but did not know what it meant). I told her that she can leave and I'll give her $20 for gas, or stay for the full hour and deliver on her ad to collect her full rate. She chose door #2.

I like to think that you mongers benefitted from better customer service because of me.

[QUOTE=DNut;2736600]... It doesn't mean she's ready right then and there.[/QUOTE]Then she should post when she is ready. Auto post or not who cares; when I see a recent post, I assume the poster is ready. Don't get me wrong, I don't get mad if I don't get an immediate response, but then again; if she is not ready then she is supposed to post when she is.

[QUOTE=DNut;2736600]A bad review of a girl who never made contact with you is unfair.[/QUOTE]Never made contact is okay but poor communication skills deserve a report. I don't report them since there are way too many. But I believe providers with poor communication skills deserve a negative report.

[QUOTE=LickClit;2736941]Most providers won't talk menu and price on the phone, so we are forced to go to their location....[/QUOTE]No your not forced to do anything. I always talk the details. If provider doesn't want to provide / talk details, I just move on. Too many fish in the sea.

Hehe natti may be a legit good provider but she is no where near attractive enough to be playing the upselling bullshit game. Providers should know their limits.

[QUOTE=DNut;2737125]Your math leads me to believe you need to understand the difference between "potentially", and" realistically".

But you are right. Upselling is BS. I leave at the first sign. Upselling is also why I have never seen Natti again since we met when she first came on the scene. She tried the upsell BS and the one-pop-or-one-hour (even though her ad stated MPOP, which she claimed she just copied off another provider but did not know what it meant). I told her that she can leave and I'll give her $20 for gas, or stay for the full hour and deliver on her ad to collect her full rate. She chose door #2.

I like to think that you mongers benefitted from better customer service because of me.[/QUOTE]

This is Bea from yesterday and this is my latest take on Black & White from the tip of the toes to the top of the hose series.

[QUOTE=DNut;2736206]I'm always been very apprehensive about the reviews on girls not contacting clients back. I am not talking about the girls who go radio silent after you've left your house and are on your way to a confirmed appointment. THAT kind of time wasting definitely needs to be reported.

I am referring to reviewing girls who just don't respond to your initial overtures. What's the point, and is that really fair? Sure you are disappointed that after taking the time to wade through all the ads and eliminating those that are fakes, flakes, and just not your type, you settle on "the one"; the one ad whose looks and price point all intersect. You initiate contact salivating on the prospects that soon you're be rolling in erotic bliss. You wait, and you wait, and you wait some more. Your fantasy gets reduced to a dream with the eroticism as doing your taxes.

You are disappointed, sure. But is that grounds for a scathing review? Providers have a life outside the hobby and to expect them to be available 27/7/365 is just expecting too much. Maybe it was your approach. You used certain words that caused her to distrust you, and thus decided it was better if she never starts anything she doesn't want to see through to the end. It could be a multitude of things.

Is it fair to ding her for taking a step back?[/QUOTE]It's information. Use it. Or ignore it. Whether it is "scathing" or not, and most seem to be far from that. If you think the guys who post that stuff are assholes, then you know they are assholes thanks to these posts. If nothing else, it preps you for the waiting game for that provider. She becomes someone you know you'll have to plan ahead for. Some girls like that. Others outright hate it and expect you to come see them withing 15 minutes of first contact. You're bitching about something which actually helps you. Which doesn't hurt any providers business because guys see badly reviewed providers consistently.

And it is funny because you are a guy who invited a well-known drug-addict into his house then exploded all over the internet when she wasn't up for providing service. Clearly the previous evidence of her activities didn't warn you away from her. I guess you're saying that if someone had posted a "scathing" review of Crystal Blevins not returning his calls, you would have avoided her. But her being recently arrested for H, on the dirty, etc. Wasn't enough? All that info was out there for everyone to see well before your incident.

You are also a guy who's bitched and moaned about NOBODY wanting any business over in the ISO thread more than once. Except you don't post their names. Normally people talk about "taking your meds" in a facetious way, but I actually think you might need to take your fucking meds, or whatever it is that "special people" do to cope.

Before the sun sets in this day, before the memories fade in this year, before the pussies get. Happy New Year!

Best dream is a tie between my last visit with May from EE in early January and my one and only dream with Khloe21 in the spring. Am not talking about the Khloe who currently advertises here, Khloe21 was a cute spinner who was around for only a couple months or so. Then, if I had to pick the single best moments of those dreams, it would be picking Khloe21 up and doing her standing up while watching her cute little butt in the mirror as she bounced up and down on me.

It's a shame both are apparently out of the hobby now. Everyone stay safe in '16.

Definitely. That chick wasn't around long, but she was "all in" as they say. Hands down one of my best memories of the year. .

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;2738990]Best dream is a tie between my last visit with May from EE in early January and my one and only dream with Khloe21 in the spring. Am not talking about the Khloe who currently advertises here, Khloe21 was a cute spinner who was around for only a couple months or so. Then, if I had to pick the single best moments of those dreams, it would be picking Khloe21 up and doing her standing up while watching her cute little butt in the mirror as she bounced up and down on me.

It's a shame both are apparently out of the hobby now. Everyone stay safe in '16.[/QUOTE]

It's market driven like everything else. Any business only does what the market trends allow. Pay or don't pay. You can easily find whatever price point you want in P4 P by shopping around. Why complain about the price being driven up by others that will pay for higher end delivery?

NOTE: I'm not saying Natti is high end; I never met her. Just saying that it isn't reasonable to work out a break-even analysis on what their pussy is worth based on your income experience.

[QUOTE=LickClit;2736941]Its not right. Most providers won't talk menu and price on the phone, so we are forced to go to their location to 1. See her 2. More time to talk bus which is a turn off, 3. Wonder if we are on the play time clock. 4. are we going to get attacked. Many other possibilities. It all about money for all of us, 45 min of fun, if she got 50 or more, that is good income for 45 min, if she has a notel to pay for, then something more is fair. A normal work day for most of us is 8 hrs, so if she sees 3 guys at 100 each, room cost at 100,200 income for 2. 5 hrs of play x 5 day work week is 1000 tax free income. 13 hrs of play time per week. She would have a lot of free time to do whatever. I would bet that most see more guys per day, many have their own place to play. Ok sign me up if I was a female, I've never made that much per hour. Ladies, don't ruin a good thing, sooner or later many guys won't be able to afford, esp. Upcharges at the door. IMHO.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SinfulDreams;2734370]Wildcat8!! Congrats hun, and I have sent you a message with all the details.

Week 3 going up momentarily so Good Luck!! There were over 124 contestants this time![/QUOTE]Ally,

Where is the' Quiz?

I have looked everywhere and can't find it. Maybe put up a link...?

You know how much I love trivia. .