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[QUOTE=JustLonely;4417147]I have been reading about this one on here so I was ready when she messaged me out the blue this afternoon. Wanted half up front as she had been screwed twice before. Or I could pay her for pics / vids for that partial payment. I reported her to Seeking as a scammer. But I doubt she will be deleted. They have her as the feature today.[/QUOTE]Those are the exact responses she sent to me. Copy and paste.
I had a M / G recently. She was 22, chunky, face ok but nothing to write home about. But within 5 minutes of meeting she said she was DTF, we could use her place and she'd be happy with whatever kind of gift I thought appropriate. Curious what others would do? (I did, and it was nice in a very nasty kind of way, LOL).
I did a chunky latina very hot face but chunky used to do an hour BB everything for 100 an hour too bad she moved away or would have keep taping it.
[QUOTE=BlueEyedMan58;4417642]I had a M / G recently. She was 22, chunky, face ok but nothing to write home about. But within 5 minutes of meeting she said she was DTF, we could use her place and she'd be happy with whatever kind of gift I thought appropriate. Curious what others would do? (I did, and it was nice in a very nasty kind of way, LOL).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JustLonely;4417147]I have been reading about this one on here so I was ready when she messaged me out the blue this afternoon. Wanted half up front as she had been screwed twice before. Or I could pay her for pics / vids for that partial payment. I reported her to Seeking as a scammer. But I doubt she will be deleted. They have her as the feature today.[/QUOTE]The fat ones don't usually try to scam you, you'd think if she was running a scam she would say she was athletic or slim LOL.
Because had that very same situation, looked much better in the pics, shows, up and not close, but not unbearable either. Thought what the hell, asked if she liked to give head, YES! Some of the best head and rimming I have ever had. She was so into it!
[QUOTE=Avash88;4417703]I did a chunky latina very hot face but chunky used to do an hour BB everything for 100 an hour too bad she moved away or would have keep taping it.[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=EasyeOne;4417536]Those are the exact responses she sent to me. Copy and paste.[/QUOTE]I agree. Avoid her.
All was well and plans were set but when is time, got hit with the. Can I get money in advance: [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b2980239-9250-49da-9888-e30b80218d12[/URL].
Anybody have luck?
[QUOTE=EasyeOne;4417986]All was well and plans were set but when is time, got hit with the. Can I get money in advance: [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b2980239-9250-49da-9888-e30b80218d12[/URL].
Anybody have luck?[/QUOTE]Been finding this more and more, especially when they're young and cute and contact you first. They go through all the back and forth of setting a meeting very quickly and then last minute either it's "will you give me something when we meet to prove you're real" (however that's supposed to work) or can you send me money or give me a cc for an Uber so I can meet you.
If it's the latter, I usually offer to pick them up, and that message ends the communication; or when I say no $$ for M / G.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4446d6be-e2ec-421a-9fb7-0dfd59206da1[/URL]
Met up with her a while back. Great time. She's short. Looks better in person than her pics. CIM and CIP. Arrangement didn't last long and looks like her profile has changed a lot from when I initially dreamt about her. Haven't seen her on here so just thought I'd share.
[QUOTE=JustLonely;4417147]I have been reading about this one on here so I was ready when she messaged me out the blue this afternoon. Wanted half up front as she had been screwed twice before. Or I could pay her for pics / vids for that partial payment. I reported her to Seeking as a scammer. But I doubt she will be deleted. They have her as the feature today.[/QUOTE]She wrote me last night, but we didn't have time to discuss much of anything. As of this morning she ghosted.
For the third time this month I had good luck with this simple search tip for finding info on potential SBs. Get her real first name and go to the Facebook search bar and type in her name and her city and state. Works best on more unusual names like Courtney or Emily but I have had luck with a common name Sarah if she happens to be very active on Facebook. Of course you need to be good at recognizing faces unless you are real lucky as she has the same profile main image pic. Two of my recent searches came up in the top 10 results. Works best on computer where you can see a decent size pic in the search list.
Another recent one was a Google image search of her SA pic. That found her Twitter page but her Twitter name was fake as no FB or Instagram accounts matched up. But a quick browsing of her Twitter posts turned up a pic she had taken of her college acceptance letter. She had blocked out her address but her name was in the letter. Then a Facebook search turned her up. That one had even posted her class and work schedule on her Twitter and that she has a car. Good things to know when planning to see someone.
I will admit I have way too much free time at work but I do enjoy playing detective from time to time.
[QUOTE=JustLonely;4417147]I have been reading about this one on here so I was ready when she messaged me out the blue this afternoon. Wanted half up front as she had been screwed twice before. Or I could pay her for pics / vids for that partial payment. I reported her to Seeking as a scammer. But I doubt she will be deleted. They have her as the feature today.[/QUOTE]SA username is lovinme6040, but she took down the profile or blocked me.
I've seen a few of you post about how after the first time or two you've gotten SB's to start giving it for free. I have one who I saw the first time a couple weeks ago, there was no mention of or request for money during the initial messaging. I came to her apartment, we hung out and talked for about an hour, I made my move which ended up with me plowing her bareback and blowing a load on her beautiful ass. Still no request for money. I'm relatively new at this so I casually left $$ on her kitchen counter on my way out. Going back tomorrow and I imagine I've created an expectation of the same gift this time.
Curious to hear from those of you who claim to have gotten them off the gift after a few times on how you did it.
EBob.
[QUOTE=EBob1111;4418843]
Curious to hear from those of you who claim to have gotten them off the gift after a few times on how you did it..[/QUOTE]What has worked for me in the past is after a re meets with the agreed upon tuition, suggest a shopping trip where about half tuition is used for the purchase. When leaving the tuition, don't say anything about the smaller amount. The next time, we go to dinner and maybe a few drinks. Then mention that I would pay a bill instead of cash. Or if they need something for classes take care of that on a shopping trip. After that, occasional shopping after treating to dinner is all that is required. Works about 50% of the time. By that time, it is established as more of a FWB than arrangement.
I'm curious how old this one was. Depending on the connection, I've found that works better with confident late 20's than not.
Good luck, jd.
[QUOTE=JDavis999;4419203]What has worked for me in the past is after a re meets with the agreed upon tuition, suggest a shopping trip where about half tuition is used for the purchase. When leaving the tuition, don't say anything about the smaller amount. The next time, we go to dinner and maybe a few drinks. Then mention that I would pay a bill instead of cash. Or if they need something for classes take care of that on a shopping trip. After that, occasional shopping after treating to dinner is all that is required. Works about 50% of the time. By that time, it is established as more of a FWB than arrangement.
I'm curious how old this one was. Depending on the connection, I've found that works better with confident late 20's than not.
Good luck, jd.[/QUOTE]She's 24, has a teaching job and her own apartment. The problem is I'm married so it has to stay on the DL so no public shopping trips or traditional dates. We have limited windows of a couple hours between when she gets home from school and I have to be home with my family. I think I will try asking her if there's anything I can help her with rather than leaving a straight up donation which she never asked for in the first place. Really tasty little redhead spinner, with a pierced hood and the sweetest ass I've ever seen.
EBob.
[QUOTE=EBob1111;4419829]She's 24, has a teaching job and her own apartment. The problem is I'm married so it has to stay on the DL so no public shopping trips or traditional dates. We have limited windows of a couple hours between when she gets home from school and I have to be home with my family. I think I will try asking her if there's anything I can help her with rather than leaving a straight up donation which she never asked for in the first place. Really tasty little redhead spinner, with a pierced hood and the sweetest ass I've ever seen.
EBob.[/QUOTE]In my opinion, you may want to be careful what you wish for. You're starting to go down the path of conflicting agendas.
On one hand, you have found someone you like (banging, at least), and she's probably a hottie you wouldn't normally have a chance with in "real life. " So your head's all fucked up and you're catching feelings and want to turn this special little snowflake into a FWB relationship and save some coin.
On the other hand, you need to keep this whole thing on the DL so you don't end up getting embarrassed and divorce-raped and lose half your wealth, house, retirement accounts and your kids and all that.
If you turn this tryst into a relationship, she's going to catch feelings too and want more from you than just to bang for a couple hours in the afternoon before you're missed at home. And once feelings get involved, she's likely to cause a scene, or insist on doing things you aren't comfortable with, (like dates, dinners, or other relationshippy stuff) or want to text or call while you're on family time, etc. , etc. Don't underestimate ANY of these girls, or assume for a second they're not totally insane. (Edit: Just reread and noticed she's a redhead. She's fucking nuts, even if she's not showing it at the moment...) Your opsec will be significantly compromised once you have relationship obligations. The power structure will be severely tilted in her favor if she is "in a legit relationship" and you're a cheating dirtbag who's fucking someone half your age.
If you keep this transactional (but in a classy way so she can hamster away the fact that she's a prostitute), she's less likely to get invested emotionally more than will be convenient for you, and less likely to cause problems. If she's a prostitute who is receiving money for sex, then you both have something to hide to keep from major embarrassment, and there's mutual incentive for you both to keep your whole arrangement secret.
I think in the long run, leaving a few bucks each time you connect will be MUCH less expensive than working your way through family court. Just my $0. 02 and a little tough love, bro.
[QUOTE=Kwagmire;4419873]In my opinion, you may want to be careful what you wish for. You're starting to go down the path of conflicting agendas.
On one hand, you have found someone you like (banging, at least), and she's probably a hottie you wouldn't normally have a chance with in "real life. " So your head's all fucked up and you're catching feelings and want to turn this special little snowflake into a FWB relationship and save some coin.
On the other hand, you need to keep this whole thing on the DL so you don't end up getting embarrassed and divorce-raped and lose half your wealth, house, retirement accounts and your kids and all that.
If you turn this tryst into a relationship, she's going to catch feelings too and want more from you than just to bang for a couple hours in the afternoon before you're missed at home. And once feelings get involved, she's likely to cause a scene, or insist on doing things you aren't comfortable with, (like dates, dinners, or other relationshippy stuff) or want to text or call while you're on family time, etc. , etc. Don't underestimate ANY of these girls, or assume for a second they're not totally insane. (Edit: Just reread and noticed she's a redhead. She's fucking nuts, even if she's not showing it at the moment...) Your opsec will be significantly compromised once you have relationship obligations. The power structure will be severely tilted in her favor if she is "in a legit relationship" and you're a cheating dirtbag who's fucking someone half your age.
If you keep this transactional (but in a classy way so she can hamster away the fact that she's a prostitute), she's less likely to get invested emotionally more than will be convenient for you, and less likely to cause problems. If she's a prostitute who is receiving money for sex, then you both have something to hide to keep from major embarrassment, and there's mutual incentive for you both to keep your whole arrangement secret.
I think in the long run, leaving a few bucks each time you connect will be MUCH less expensive than working your way through family court. Just my $0. 02 and a little tough love, bro.[/QUOTE]All are good points. I do know where she works so I would assume she wouldn't like the school to find out she's a SB if thing went down that road but best to not have to find that out.
[QUOTE=EBob1111;4419889]All are good points. I do know where she works so I would assume she wouldn't like the school to find out she's a SB if thing went down that road but best to not have to find that out.[/QUOTE]If you're not paying her she's in a relationship, buddy, NOT a SB. And I'd bet dollars to donuts that you've got a lot more to lose than she does. You'll do what you want, but I advise using the big head first. If you've never been in a relationship with a psycho, you have no idea. And this one is no different -- ALL the girls on SA are high on the "hot / crazy matrix. ".
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=incSwssUyp4[/URL]
[QUOTE=EBob1111;4419829]She's 24, has a teaching job and her own apartment. The problem is I'm married so it has to stay on the DL so no public shopping trips or traditional dates. We have limited windows of a couple hours between when she gets home from school and I have to be home with my family. I think I will try asking her if there's anything I can help her with rather than leaving a straight up donation which she never asked for in the first place. Really tasty little redhead spinner, with a pierced hood and the sweetest ass I've ever seen.
EBob.[/QUOTE]I think that taking the support down a bit is an understandable goal but attempting to eliminate it is not fair. I think your idea to ask her what she needs help with is not a bad approach, but keep in mind that's providing an opening to start asking for things MORE than your first donation too. And $$ with a hoster is a pretty decent deal these days so I'd almost be thinking about how not to blow it rather than get the money down.
Another alternative to asking her what she wants is to bring things like gift cards. Since you hung out an hour she may have mentioned what she likes to eat or where to shop or something like that. Get a couple of gift cards that total to say 120 or 150. Like if she said she likes Carraba's get her a $50 gift card and tell her you want to buy her dinner even though you can't take her out, another for $50 to Sephora (they all need makeup) and bring her favorite bottle of liqor, maybe even some flowers. Total damage 150 or less but b / c it was thoughtful she'll think less of the amount. And you can get all this with one trip to the supermarket.
I might try that but I'd also consider just leaving the $$. If she's talking with you still it means she wasn't disappointed in that, and I wouldn't assume just b / c she didn't ask for that doesn't mean she still wasn't expecting it.
[QUOTE=EBob1111;4418843]I've seen a few of you post about how after the first time or two you've gotten SB's to start giving it for free. I have one who I saw the first time a couple weeks ago, there was no mention of or request for money during the initial messaging. I came to her apartment, we hung out and talked for about an hour, I made my move which ended up with me plowing her bareback and blowing a load on her beautiful ass. Still no request for money. I'm relatively new at this so I casually left $$ on her kitchen counter on my way out. Going back tomorrow and I imagine I've created an expectation of the same gift this time.
Curious to hear from those of you who claim to have gotten them off the gift after a few times on how you did it.
EBob.[/QUOTE]I definitely wouldn't play games like this. It's the best way to get a rape charge. Your DNA is obviously all over her and the DNA from your skin cells are under her fingernails and all over her house. Even if you have proof that she was a prostitute; men go to jail every day for raping prostitutes. Men even get convicted of raping their own wives. I'd just stick to the arrangement and leave the girls completely satisfied. I don't like to go and borrow problems. And I never give them half. Even if they take half of the money with a smile, they're telling all their friends that you scammed them and probably plotting against you.
This profile is a great example of the fakes and scammers that are prevalent on there. Every day she lists a new city, I talked with her when she was showing mine, then next day I noticed she was in California, then a day later Calgary. No doubt she / he / it changes the city and finds new targets to run some pic selling, travel money, advances, etc on. I'm noticing this on more and more profiles lately, especially the ones with pics that look too good to be true.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/428498af-4127-4594-9b80-76ce42f14f7f[/URL]
[QUOTE=EBob1111;4419829]She's 24, has a teaching job and her own apartment. The problem is I'm married so it has to stay on the DL so no public shopping trips or traditional dates. We have limited windows of a couple hours between when she gets home from school and I have to be home with my family. I think I will try asking her if there's anything I can help her with rather than leaving a straight up donation which she never asked for in the first place. Really tasty little redhead spinner, with a pierced hood and the sweetest ass I've ever seen.
EBob.[/QUOTE]Don't get greedy. Honor your end of the deal and be grateful for what you have. A hot freaky teacher that hosts multiple hours for 2 bills. This is about as good as it gets in the sugar bowl.
Mandyflower7 - Asked for pictures and asked if I was super generous. When I said that I don't send pictures (politely), she blocked.
Presently talking to this one. Any info available? Thanks.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ee2c00de-e570-4743-aa95-cf2ac85b05fd[/URL]
[QUOTE=Kwagmire;4419912]If you've never been in a relationship with a psycho, you have no idea. And this one is no different -- ALL the girls on SA are high on the "hot / crazy matrix. ".
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=incSwssUyp4[/URL][/QUOTE]Wise advice.
Don't mess with crazy.
Been there, dealt with the fallout.
I would rather call a 250 lb drunk football player a pussy, than piss off a 110 lb blonde crazy woman.
[QUOTE=EBob1111;4419889]All are good points. I do know where she works so I would assume she wouldn't like the school to find out she's a SB if thing went down that road but best to not have to find that out.[/QUOTE]I'd just like to echo what everyone else has already said here. Last year, I was involved with what I consider to be a unicorn sb. She was 20, college student, had her own place etc. Multiple sessions in one date for under two bills. It was addictive After the first couple of times meeting, she started asking if I wanted to hang out cost free and go on dates. When I declined she started to get threatening and increasingly belligerent. At the end of the day, if I had ever been with her in a non transactional manner I think it could have gotten very ugly for me and I'm not married and have no where near as much to lose as you. Think with you're head. If you don't want to pay these girls then go on tinder or some other more traditional method of stepping out on your wife. Sorry if any of this was rude it wasn't my intent. Just another warming from someone who almost made the mistake.
Here's another one. Saving folks the trouble. Willing to talk if I have money (cashapp / paypal only) - for pics / vids: [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/111fa328-288f-4c30-93b6-e26cbd0d1adc[/URL].
[QUOTE=SamTam;4420145]Mandyflower7 - Asked for pictures and asked if I was super generous. When I said that I don't send pictures (politely), she blocked.
Presently talking to this one. Any info available? Thanks.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ee2c00de-e570-4743-aa95-cf2ac85b05fd[/URL][/QUOTE]On these girls "traditional" dating sites, it's pics-only. Nobody reads profiles. Pics are these girls way of life. They also want to make sure they don't know us. We are all operating in the area that we live and work in. I ask for pics because I'm a professor and I need to make sure I'm not going to show up at a meet and greet and see one of my students. I'm not trying to destroy my career by propositioning a student. I also wouldn't want to proposition any of my daughters friends. I'm sure they have the same concerns about their parents friends.
I just offer to give them my bank account info and they can take what they want.
If they actually respond to it, I give them the banking info of one of my former employees who stole from me -- who obviously is broke or he wouldn't have been stealing!
I have been in the bowl all of 4 days and would like to share a little about my experience.
First off though, a really huge shout out to the mongers who contribute to this SB thread. I have been reading it for the last 2 years and when I joined the bowl, I felt like a veteran with the knowledge I had. Much appreciated!
My ground rules are: sticking mainly with 18 - 22. Have 2 in early 30's, but wow time is never kind to women it seems. The stark difference between a 20 and 30 year-old is really highlighted in SA. Even 26 shows a big slide in looks.
Results so far in 4 days:
1. Got the numbers of 12 SBs - 10 of which are DTF. Only dealing with DTF ones. Had a few others, but if not DTF I am out.
2. Of the 10 SBs, 8 agreed to BBFS.
3. Of the 8 BBFS, 6 agreed to CIP.
4. Of the 6, I might ditch 2 because they were clearly serious UTR pros. One said had motel in area (without prompting) and the other straight out asked "how much I will pay. " A bit too transactional (STG-ish) for me. One looks really nice so I might still see her once if I can get a reasonable rate for multiple pops.
5. Of the 4 left, have 2 meet and greets scheduled next week. No discussion of $ yet. One agreed to meet at FC with still no discussion of $ yet. We will see if she follows through.
6. I will take a couple gift cards with me and the usual stuff the veterans recommend. I will also take some hard cash to keep everything on the up and up because they say they need "help". And we all know they are on SA for financial assistance. As one monger put it a couple days ago, most of these girls are just one step above a standard hooker. SA gives them cover to pretend they are not. Hey, to them, an arrangement is not a cash for sex transaction. OK, whatever floats their boat.
7. I have couple POTs who only communicate on the site for now. They are also DTF, but not counting them until I have number and we move to texting and meet and greet set-up.
8. I told a couple 18 yr-olds that I would need to see ID. They looked way, way young. And they both ghosted me. Good. That means they are nothing but trouble.
9. Already ran into one that told me she had the incurable H. At least she was honest, I guess. Dropped her obviously. Another 19 year-old said she had endometriosis after the issue of whether she was DTF came up. Hmm. Sounds like a scam because she was all fun and games until the DTF part came up. Clueless. Why have those pics of the bod if cannot put out? Personally, I think it is a ruse, but moving on.
10. I have 35 messages still to be opened and read. One thing I learned is that, for most of these SBs, communication is not a strong attribute. Well, may explain partly why they are on the site to begin with. Easier to post a profile than actually talk to a guy in person to get what they want.
11. I agree that many come and go on the site based on $$ needs. I just do not get the impression based on conversation that most get a dedicated SD. Not sure what the point of that would be with all the new 18 - 22 always joining the site. Of the 4 meet and greets scheduled 2 are all new, within 5 days of joining.
12. Found some very good intel using the site recommended a couple pages back by senior member FarFarAway. Thanks dude.
[URL]https://www.truepeoplesearch.com[/URL]
Dam, I knew one girl was living with her grandmother before she told me. One thing with this site is you have to manually enter the phone numbers, as cut and paste does not work and returns an error (at least it did for me) - guess that is to prevent bots wreaking havoc.
Have not tried the there site yet. Also posted By FarFarAway:
[URL]https://www.familytreenow.com[/URL]
13. I do not have pic on my profile and it did not seem to impact much. So far. I can put a "fake" one that is close if I find it becomes an issue. Only 4 or 5 asked for a pic and I told them I needed total 100% discretion and had no issue meeting in public. All except one agreed to that.
14. Overall, I will see what happens with these, but for 12 real number contacts and the majority DTF and half BBFS in 4 days I am not complaining. We will see what shakes out in the wash as actual DTFs in person. Also one thing I found is if I put my number at the end of the text message over 80% of SBs just text me instead of messaging through the site. The other 20% I just said text me and they did.
Again, thanks for all the advice in advance and especially to Truncated, The Cardinal and DogBert77 for making signing up with pre-paid card an easy task.
[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;4421087]I have been in the bowl all of 4 days and would like to share a little about my experience.
First off though, a really huge shout out to the mongers who contribute to this SB thread. I have been reading it for the last 2 years and when I joined the bowl, I felt like a veteran with the knowledge I had. Much appreciated!
My ground rules are: sticking mainly with 18 - 22. Have 2 in early 30's, but wow time is never kind to women it seems. The stark difference between a 20 and 30 year-old is really highlighted in SA. Even 26 shows a big slide in looks.
Results so far in 4 days:
1. Got the numbers of 12 SBs - 10 of which are DTF. Only dealing with DTF ones. Had a few others, but if not DTF I am out.
2. Of the 10 SBs, 8 agreed to BBFS.
3. Of the 8 BBFS, 6 agreed to CIP.
4. Of the 6, I might ditch 2 because they were clearly serious UTR pros. One said had motel in area (without prompting) and the other straight out asked "how much I will pay. " A bit too transactional (STG-ish) for me. One looks really nice so I might still see her once if I can get a reasonable rate for multiple pops.
5. Of the 4 left, have 2 meet and greets scheduled next week. No discussion of $ yet. One agreed to meet at FC with still no discussion of $ yet. We will see if she follows through.
6. I will take a couple gift cards with me and the usual stuff the veterans recommend. I will also take some hard cash to keep everything on the up and up because they say they need "help". And we all know they are on SA for financial assistance. As one monger put it a couple days ago, most of these girls are just one step above a standard hooker. SA gives them cover to pretend they are not. Hey, to them, an arrangement is not a cash for sex transaction. OK, whatever floats their boat.
7. I have couple POTs who only communicate on the site for now. They are also DTF, but not counting them until I have number and we move to texting and meet and greet set-up.
8. I told a couple 18 yr-olds that I would need to see ID. They looked way, way young. And they both ghosted me. Good. That means they are nothing but trouble.
9. Already ran into one that told me she had the incurable H. At least she was honest, I guess. Dropped her obviously. Another 19 year-old said she had endometriosis after the issue of whether she was DTF came up. Hmm. Sounds like a scam because she was all fun and games until the DTF part came up. Clueless. Why have those pics of the bod if cannot put out? Personally, I think it is a ruse, but moving on.
10. I have 35 messages still to be opened and read. One thing I learned is that, for most of these SBs, communication is not a strong attribute. Well, may explain partly why they are on the site to begin with. Easier to post a profile than actually talk to a guy in person to get what they want.
11. I agree that many come and go on the site based on $$ needs. I just do not get the impression based on conversation that most get a dedicated SD. Not sure what the point of that would be with all the new 18 - 22 always joining the site. Of the 4 meet and greets scheduled 2 are all new, within 5 days of joining.
12. Found some very good intel using the site recommended a couple pages back by senior member FarFarAway. Thanks dude.
[URL]https://www.truepeoplesearch.com[/URL]
Dam, I knew one girl was living with her grandmother before she told me. One thing with this site is you have to manually enter the phone numbers, as cut and paste does not work and returns an error (at least it did for me) - guess that is to prevent bots wreaking havoc.
Have not tried the there site yet. Also posted By FarFarAway:
[URL]https://www.familytreenow.com[/URL]
13. I do not have pic on my profile and it did not seem to impact much. So far. I can put a "fake" one that is close if I find it becomes an issue. Only 4 or 5 asked for a pic and I told them I needed total 100% discretion and had no issue meeting in public. All except one agreed to that.
14. Overall, I will see what happens with these, but for 12 real number contacts and the majority DTF and half BBFS in 4 days I am not complaining. We will see what shakes out in the wash as actual DTFs in person. Also one thing I found is if I put my number at the end of the text message over 80% of SBs just text me instead of messaging through the site. The other 20% I just said text me and they did.
Again, thanks for all the advice in advance and especially to Truncated, The Cardinal and DogBert77 for making signing up with pre-paid card an easy task.[/QUOTE]It doesn't sound like you have met any of them yet?? Am I reading this correctly?
[QUOTE=Sterling44;4419973]I definitely wouldn't play games like this. It's the best way to get a rape charge. Your DNA is obviously all over her and the DNA from your skin cells are under her fingernails and all over her house. Even if you have proof that she was a prostitute; men go to jail every day for raping prostitutes. Men even get convicted of raping their own wives. I'd just stick to the arrangement and leave the girls completely satisfied. I don't like to go and borrow problems. And I never give them half. Even if they take half of the money with a smile, they're telling all their friends that you scammed them and probably plotting against you.[/QUOTE]I'm normally a quiet observer of this forum, but felt the need to respond here. I don't think any of us should go through life assuming a rape accusation looms around every corner. If I allowed myself to think that way, I would have missed out on a lot of pussy, and I've had hundreds of girls off SA alone, many of which I would call "typical hot-chick-bat-shit crazy", and some I would describe as highly unstable emotionally.
I believe a simple trick can prevent many problems: Within a couple of hours or so after the meet is over, follow up with a couple of texts praising how awesome she is, how glad you met, etc. Most of the time they beat me to this, because I've asked them to text me when they are home safely after an Uber ride or drive home, etc. , but if they don't text first be sure to do it before the next day.
It serves many purposes.
First, almost all women hate to get fucked then ignored, they feel insulted and take it personally when it happens. Not following up is a good reason a lot of these "date rape" accusations occur, some women believe that if they aren't still on your mind after you blew your load, then they have been taken advantage of in some way.
Second, if there is a problem at all, it gives you a chance to get in front of it and fix it before it becomes a major problem (don't let them sit and stew). If they aren't happy with the gift they got, apologize and promise to make it up next time even if you have decided they aren't worthy of a next time.
Most of the time their response is something like "that was such an amazing night! I can't wait to see you again! Anything that indicates positivity and that they were fine when you left them provides proof they were not raped or taken advantage of in any way.
Hoping some of the traveling type SDs can help with this one. I've been looking for a better way to manage POT contacts across multiple cities I travel regularly to (about 10), and I'm having trouble finding a good solution that integrates with mobile devices. I've tried various approaches with Excel, Evernote, OneNote, etc. But I'm looking for a better solution and I figured someone else probably already has this down.
I want to be able to create entries showing a screenshot of the girls SA profile and a few pics on PC or Mac, but be able to easily view or make small edits on phone or tablet (either iPhone or Android), and record her profile name, a few notes about such as days she's unavailable or other specifics (so storage needs to be cloud based).
One important feature is I want is to easily filter by city so that when I'm in that city I'm able to see my POTs in that city easily, complete with photos, profile screenshot and notes I've captured. The SA website itself is not acceptable of course for this purpose, because girls hide / delete / inactivate their profile all the time even though they are available to see SDs they already know. Ease and workflow of new entry is important. For example, I want to be able to easily take a screen clip (Snipping Tool on Windows) and paste the images in (saving images then importing them would be too cumbersome at high volume). I don't want any sort of integration with the contact list of my phone, as like many I keep my sugaring life separate from regular life. To give an idea of " high volume", I probably see between 50-100 separate SBs a year across 10 cities, but the volume of new contact entries is much higher, because there are probably 50 POTS I never meet for every one that I actually do, so I need a solution with decent image storage.
I have a hunch there is a great cross platform "personal contact manager" solution out there that would be ideal for this, it's just a matter of finding it. I've been watching this forum a long time but haven't seen this topic approached.
What do you guys use?
[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;4421087]I have been in the bowl all of 4 days and would like to share a little about my experience.
First off though, a really huge shout out to the mongers who contribute to this SB thread. I have been reading it for the last 2 years and when I joined the bowl, I felt like a veteran with the knowledge I had. Much appreciated!
My ground rules are: sticking mainly with 18 - 22. Have 2 in early 30's, but wow time is never kind to women it seems. The stark difference between a 20 and 30 year-old is really highlighted in SA. Even 26 shows a big slide in looks.
Results so far in 4 days:
1. Got the numbers of 12 SBs - 10 of which are DTF. Only dealing with DTF ones. Had a few others, but if not DTF I am out.
2. Of the 10 SBs, 8 agreed to BBFS.
3. Of the 8 BBFS, 6 agreed to CIP.
4. Of the 6, I might ditch 2 because they were clearly serious UTR pros. One said had motel in area (without prompting) and the other straight out asked "how much I will pay. " A bit too transactional (STG-ish) for me. One looks really nice so I might still see her once if I can get a reasonable rate for multiple pops.
5. Of the 4 left, have 2 meet and greets scheduled next week. No discussion of $ yet. One agreed to meet at FC with still no discussion of $ yet. We will see if she follows through.
6. I will take a couple gift cards with me and the usual stuff the veterans recommend. I will also take some hard cash to keep everything on the up and up because they say they need "help". And we all know they are on SA for financial assistance. As one monger put it a couple days ago, most of these girls are just one step above a standard hooker. SA gives them cover to pretend they are not. Hey, to them, an arrangement is not a cash for sex transaction. OK, whatever floats their boat.
7. I have couple POTs who only communicate on the site for now. They are also DTF, but not counting them until I have number and we move to texting and meet and greet set-up.
8. I told a couple 18 yr-olds that I would need to see ID. They looked way, way young. And they both ghosted me. Good. That means they are nothing but trouble.
9. Already ran into one that told me she had the incurable H. At least she was honest, I guess. Dropped her obviously. Another 19 year-old said she had endometriosis after the issue of whether she was DTF came up. Hmm. Sounds like a scam because she was all fun and games until the DTF part came up. Clueless. Why have those pics of the bod if cannot put out? Personally, I think it is a ruse, but moving on.
10. I have 35 messages still to be opened and read. One thing I learned is that, for most of these SBs, communication is not a strong attribute. Well, may explain partly why they are on the site to begin with. Easier to post a profile than actually talk to a guy in person to get what they want.
11. I agree that many come and go on the site based on $$ needs. I just do not get the impression based on conversation that most get a dedicated SD. Not sure what the point of that would be with all the new 18 - 22 always joining the site. Of the 4 meet and greets scheduled 2 are all new, within 5 days of joining.
12. Found some very good intel using the site recommended a couple pages back by senior member FarFarAway. Thanks dude.
[URL]https://www.truepeoplesearch.com[/URL]
Dam, I knew one girl was living with her grandmother before she told me. One thing with this site is you have to manually enter the phone numbers, as cut and paste does not work and returns an error (at least it did for me) - guess that is to prevent bots wreaking havoc.
Have not tried the there site yet. Also posted By FarFarAway:
[URL]https://www.familytreenow.com[/URL]
13. I do not have pic on my profile and it did not seem to impact much. So far. I can put a "fake" one that is close if I find it becomes an issue. Only 4 or 5 asked for a pic and I told them I needed total 100% discretion and had no issue meeting in public. All except one agreed to that.
14. Overall, I will see what happens with these, but for 12 real number contacts and the majority DTF and half BBFS in 4 days I am not complaining. We will see what shakes out in the wash as actual DTFs in person. Also one thing I found is if I put my number at the end of the text message over 80% of SBs just text me instead of messaging through the site. The other 20% I just said text me and they did.
Again, thanks for all the advice in advance and especially to Truncated, The Cardinal and DogBert77 for making signing up with pre-paid card an easy task.[/QUOTE]Circle back when you've met with some. I've found that planning too far ahead of time is pointless as a good majority will either flake, just forget or something will "pop up".
While we should take every precaution to stay out of trouble, sugar bowl is not for the weak-hearted. Most hot girls I found in SA had some type of emotional instability or weakness. Just have to make sure we are not making it worse. And excellent advice on "after-date protocol". I follow those religiously.
Play Safe.
Dr. S.
[QUOTE=OliverNP;4421437]I'm normally a quiet observer of this forum, but felt the need to respond here. I don't think any of us should go through life assuming a rape accusation looms around every corner. If I allowed myself to think that way, I would have missed out on a lot of pussy, and I've had hundreds of girls off SA alone, many of which I would call "typical hot-chick-bat-shit crazy", and some I would describe as highly unstable emotionally.
I believe a simple trick can prevent many problems: Within a couple of hours or so after the meet is over, follow up with a couple of texts praising how awesome she is, how glad you met, etc. Most of the time they beat me to this, because I've asked them to text me when they are home safely after an Uber ride or drive home, etc. , but if they don't text first be sure to do it before the next day.
It serves many purposes.
First, almost all women hate to get fucked then ignored, they feel insulted and take it personally when it happens. Not following up is a good reason a lot of these "date rape" accusations occur, some women believe that if they aren't still on your mind after you blew your load, then they have been taken advantage of in some way.
Second, if there is a problem at all, it gives you a chance to get in front of it and fix it before it becomes a major problem (don't let them sit and stew). If they aren't happy with the gift they got, apologize and promise to make it up next time even if you have decided they aren't worthy of a next time.
Most of the time their response is something like "that was such an amazing night! I can't wait to see you again! Anything that indicates positivity and that they were fine when you left them provides proof they were not raped or taken advantage of in any way.[/QUOTE]
Keep focused on the final goal. The deal is not done until her panties (if she was wearing them to begin with) are on the floor and your dick is in her pussy. All the statistics mean nothing if you can't close the deal. There are many girls on the site just testing the waters and see up to what level guys go with them. They will talk about how eager to meet us, but when you try to schedule a time to meet they go silent. Typically in my experience once I meet a girl in person, the odds of closing the deal goes way up.
Play Safe.
Dr. S.
[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;4421273]It doesn't sound like you have met any of them yet?? Am I reading this correctly?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;4421087]I have been in the bowl all of 4 days and would like to share a little about my experience.
First off though, a really huge shout out to the mongers who contribute to this SB thread. I have been reading it for the last 2 years and when I joined the bowl, I felt like a veteran with the knowledge I had. Much appreciated!
My ground rules are: sticking mainly with 18 - 22. Have 2 in early 30's, but wow time is never kind to women it seems. The stark difference between a 20 and 30 year-old is really highlighted in SA. Even 26 shows a big slide in looks.
Results so far in 4 days:
1. Got the numbers of 12 SBs - 10 of which are DTF. Only dealing with DTF ones. Had a few others, but if not DTF I am out.
2. Of the 10 SBs, 8 agreed to BBFS.
3. Of the 8 BBFS, 6 agreed to CIP.
4. Of the 6, I might ditch 2 because they were clearly serious UTR pros. One said had motel in area (without prompting) and the other straight out asked "how much I will pay. " A bit too transactional (STG-ish) for me. One looks really nice so I might still see her once if I can get a reasonable rate for multiple pops.
5. Of the 4 left, have 2 meet and greets scheduled next week. No discussion of $ yet. One agreed to meet at FC with still no discussion of $ yet. We will see if she follows through.
6. I will take a couple gift cards with me and the usual stuff the veterans recommend. I will also take some hard cash to keep everything on the up and up because they say they need "help". And we all know they are on SA for financial assistance. As one monger put it a couple days ago, most of these girls are just one step above a standard hooker. SA gives them cover to pretend they are not. Hey, to them, an arrangement is not a cash for sex transaction. OK, whatever floats their boat.
7. I have couple POTs who only communicate on the site for now. They are also DTF, but not counting them until I have number and we move to texting and meet and greet set-up.
8. I told a couple 18 yr-olds that I would need to see ID. They looked way, way young. And they both ghosted me. Good. That means they are nothing but trouble.
9. Already ran into one that told me she had the incurable H. At least she was honest, I guess. Dropped her obviously. Another 19 year-old said she had endometriosis after the issue of whether she was DTF came up. Hmm. Sounds like a scam because she was all fun and games until the DTF part came up. Clueless. Why have those pics of the bod if cannot put out? Personally, I think it is a ruse, but moving on.
10. I have 35 messages still to be opened and read. One thing I learned is that, for most of these SBs, communication is not a strong attribute. Well, may explain partly why they are on the site to begin with. Easier to post a profile than actually talk to a guy in person to get what they want.
11. I agree that many come and go on the site based on $$ needs. I just do not get the impression based on conversation that most get a dedicated SD. Not sure what the point of that would be with all the new 18 - 22 always joining the site. Of the 4 meet and greets scheduled 2 are all new, within 5 days of joining.
12. Found some very good intel using the site recommended a couple pages back by senior member FarFarAway. Thanks dude.
[URL]https://www.truepeoplesearch.com[/URL]
Dam, I knew one girl was living with her grandmother before she told me. One thing with this site is you have to manually enter the phone numbers, as cut and paste does not work and returns an error (at least it did for me) - guess that is to prevent bots wreaking havoc.
Have not tried the there site yet. Also posted By FarFarAway:
[URL]https://www.familytreenow.com[/URL]
13. I do not have pic on my profile and it did not seem to impact much. So far. I can put a "fake" one that is close if I find it becomes an issue. Only 4 or 5 asked for a pic and I told them I needed total 100% discretion and had no issue meeting in public. All except one agreed to that.
14. Overall, I will see what happens with these, but for 12 real number contacts and the majority DTF and half BBFS in 4 days I am not complaining. We will see what shakes out in the wash as actual DTFs in person. Also one thing I found is if I put my number at the end of the text message over 80% of SBs just text me instead of messaging through the site. The other 20% I just said text me and they did.
Again, thanks for all the advice in advance and especially to Truncated, The Cardinal and DogBert77 for making signing up with pre-paid card an easy task.[/QUOTE]A word of caution. Any SA girl who promises FC before meeting is either a pro or a scammer or (worst possibility) some kind of a string. I think most experienced guys on here prefer a little more discreet messaging to set up a M / G at which time they either close the deal, arrange a future date to close the deal, or walk away.
What I am going to share could be controversial, but I have had success with it, so I am going to go ahead. I noted that whenever I meet a girl in person first time, if she looked much better than her photos suggested, my confidence level and trust with her instantly goes way up. My inclination to close the deal goes way high. So, I decided to try that on girls. I always share my own photos (after I built some trust) with girls. So, I send few photos that are not the best angles, not best clothes (somewhat less attractive than actually I am). If she agrees to meet, I show up in my best shape, well dressed and the best possible attractive way. I can see their eyes lit up and they get comfortable with me very quickly. (In fact, few told me I looked much better in person than in photos). The conversation is much easier and no probing questions (compared to what I experienced before using the techniques). Nowadays, my rate of closing the deal is almost 100% (from my acceptance point of view) after I meet a girl in person. May be it is a coincidence I got better with more experience, but I have a good feeling the photo technique at least helped me in closing deals. I am not a psychologist or anyone, but there may be theory around this. Just wanted to share.
Play Safe.
Dr. S.
So many ways to skin a cat!
[QUOTE=DrSummer;4421616]What I am going to share could be controversial, but I have had success with it, so I am going to go ahead. I noted that whenever I meet a girl in person first time, if she looked much better than her photos suggested, my confidence level and trust with her instantly goes way up. My inclination to close the deal goes way high. So, I decided to try that on girls. I always share my own photos (after I built some trust) with girls. So, I send few photos that are not the best angles, not best clothes (somewhat less attractive than actually I am). If she agrees to meet, I show up in my best shape, well dressed and the best possible attractive way. I can see their eyes lit up and they get comfortable with me very quickly. (In fact, few told me I looked much better in person than in photos). The conversation is much easier and no probing questions (compared to what I experienced before using the techniques). Nowadays, my rate of closing the deal is almost 100% (from my acceptance point of view) after I meet a girl in person. May be it is a coincidence I got better with more experience, but I have a good feeling the photo technique at least helped me in closing deals. I am not a psychologist or anyone, but there may be theory around this. Just wanted to share.
Play Safe.
Dr. S.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;4421273]It doesn't sound like you have met any of them yet?? Am I reading this correctly?[/QUOTE]This is correct.
I am not calling this a success yet by a long shot because I have not hit any of these SBs yet. However, I have them planning meet and greets, which must be done to get their panties on the floor. Most have already given me their schedules and available times. We will see if any pan out. I am aware the flake factor is high having been on backpage for years. We know how that goes.
Here a couple more things I will add my initial list of my 4-day experience in the Bowl. I cannot stress enough how important it is to read this thread and get a good feel of the Bowl before plunging in. It really does help. Already caught 3 scammers, but I recognized them immediately because of what others posted here.
Here is the link to the initial list: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=4421087[/URL]#post4421087.
13. The girls who are online for what seems all day are either scammers or flat out pros. I guess they could have the app open all day on their phones, but it seems more like scammers and pros would be the ones on that much. I am all ears for a different interpretation.
14. The SBs who respond with "OK Luv," "Hey babes," and "Hey Good Looking" (when I have no picture) have to be pros or experienced UTRs. I just ditch those. Sounds too familiar to backpage days.
15. You have to be dominant in communication, as in bed. Clarity is not their strength and unless you guide the conversation exactly and are clear in what you expect they will not get it most times. They need guidance, sometimes heavy guidance. But, 95% will follow along.
[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;4421880]
13. The girls who are online for what seems all day are either scammers or flat out pros. I guess they could have the app open all day on their phones, but it seems more like scammers and pros would be the ones on that much. I am all ears for a different interpretation.[/QUOTE]Have you been around a college girl lately? They are always on there phones. Seeking shows them as active for an hour after their last activity. It's entirely reasonable for them to be "active" 90% of the time.