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[QUOTE=TheLadysMan;4401781]I don't think she needs the answering service as I believe she implemented a number system like the dmv. She'll see you in numerical order with certain appointments taking presidence.[/QUOTE]OMG that's so true. And don't miss your number being called or else you're SOL.
She (Phantom) was coming on stage as I was leaving. So I missed out. But I was intrigued. Any of you had any experience with her?
Dropped by around 1 pm Lots of Dancers and few mongers. Did like Star dancing missed out on Karen Saw Harley doing pole dancing; Liked that Missed seeing Britain and my other favorites.
Also visited the boat today same time lots I'd blah girls nothing to brag about did she Karen but she was busy with multiple grandpas one after the other I guess they are the ones that will pay for a handy. Other than that there were no girls to take in the private. Moved to Venom and it was the same thing lots of heavy weight contenders but nothing to savor. Let the clubs to do some shoes for my car down miracle mile since I was getting a great deal and stoped by TD's west. Let me tell you that place is really going down hill place looks like shit. Three dancers all heavy set and a couple of guys hanging by the bar looking at the game on TV. It was deader than a cemetery. I did get a few dances from the best looking gal still heavy but cute. We had a nice conversation, she ddI say the owner is selling both clubs which I met the owner just by luck.
If any of you inserted on buying a club go to TD west you will find him there.
Interesting reviews. I guess my standards have dropped. LOL.
I found quite a number of attractive women prancing the floor and stage.
As one of the "grandpas", I had a sweet time with genevieve within 15 minutes of walking in.
Selena (venom name) swung by with offers but $ was short so we played discretely on the floor.
Exotica is a hottie that I'd love to find out more about.
There were 2 tall AA girls that were looking fine to me and divine has a rockin' body!
All in all I had a great time and glad I stopped in.
Happy diving boys!
Economics of Venom cabanas vs. Raiders Champaign Room.
Admission fee to the cabanas at Venom is $30 (with the dancer paying an additional $10 after the cabana time is finished). Admission fee to the Champaign Room at Raiders is $0 (the dancer pays a small fee to the bouncer afterwards).
Back when the Venom fee was reasonablesay up to $20, I'd take a chance by taking a dancer to the cabana even if I wasn't sure I'd be getting interesting and fulfilling entertainment. The fee was low enough that I'd try out new talent at a reasonable overhead. I'd find dancers whose talents and skills were previously unknown to me. It was like an audition with many becoming regular providers. That's not the case anymore. With the cabana fee at $30, I pretty much have to know in advance if I'm going to get a GFE / FS experience before I go in. This has consequences to the club, the dancer, and me.
The club has priced itself to the point that fewer customers go to the cabana. High cabana fees are a result of the greed of the club management. These results are less revenue for the club. The dancers are affected because they make less money since customers aren't taking as many trips to the cabanas. This affects me because I have to factor in the overhead to whatever I'm going to give the dancer for her time and services. That didn't use to be the case.
At Raiders, the customer and dancer walk into the Champaign Room, do whatever business they are doing, and walk out. There is no management-imposed impediment to the customer for enjoying himself. Additionally, in recent months, the talent pool has improved at Raiders. The club used to be known as the club dancers go to die. It was the banishment club that Curves management sent dancers when they messed up or Curves didn't want to hire.
In a free-market economy, deciding where to spend time and money is becoming clearer. At Raiders I can play around discovering the talents and skills of many dancers without punitive club fees for Champagne Room entrance. At Venom, I pretty much have to know a dancer and also know she's going to make me happy before I enjoy her company in the cabana. There's no more experimenting to discover fresh dancers or new skills.
Is it any wonder that dancers and others are bemoaning the lack of customers at Venom? Dancers complain about not making any money any more. It seems their money-making ability has been deterred. It was once said by the owner that the reason the cabanas were built in the first place was "for the dancers to make real money. " The dancers aren't making didley squat (like they used to) if cabana fees are keeping the customers from enjoying the cabanas more often.
When two clubs are offering different prices for the "same" thing, the customers are going to take the lower price option. (And it is virtually the "same" thingI've had threesomes in the Champaign Room and in the cabanas.) Predatory pricing at Venom will be its ultimate downfall.
[QUOTE=StripperLuv;4411386]When two clubs are offering different prices for the "same" thing, the customers are going to take the lower price option. (And it is virtually the "same" thingI've had threesomes in the Champaign Room and in the cabanas.) Predatory pricing at Venom will be its ultimate downfall.[/QUOTE]Absolutely! I agree wholeheartedly. When I first heard of the price increase I thought it was a joke or I was somehow getting scammed by the dancer. The only single positive Venom has going for it is the increased privacy but not at that price premium.
[QUOTE=StripperLuv;4411386]Economics of Venom cabanas vs. Raiders Champaign Room.
Admission fee to the cabanas at Venom is $30 (with the dancer paying an additional $10 after the cabana time is finished). Admission fee to the Champaign Room at Raiders is $0 (the dancer pays a small fee to the bouncer afterwards).
Back when the Venom fee was reasonablesay up to $20, I'd take a chance by taking a dancer to the cabana even if I wasn't sure I'd be getting interesting and fulfilling entertainment. The fee was low enough that I'd try out new talent at a reasonable overhead. I'd find dancers whose talents and skills were previously unknown to me. It was like an audition with many becoming regular providers. That's not the case anymore. With the cabana fee at $30, I pretty much have to know in advance if I'm going to get a GFE / FS experience before I go in. This has consequences to the club, the dancer, and me.
The club has priced itself to the point that fewer customers go to the cabana. High cabana fees are a result of the greed of the club management. These results are less revenue for the club. The dancers are affected because they make less money since customers aren't taking as many trips to the cabanas. This affects me because I have to factor in the overhead to whatever I'm going to give the dancer for her time and services. That didn't use to be the case.
At Raiders, the customer and dancer walk into the Champaign Room, do whatever business they are doing, and walk out. There is no management-imposed impediment to the customer for enjoying himself. Additionally, in recent months, the talent pool has improved at Raiders. The club used to be known as the club dancers go to die. It was the banishment club that Curves management sent dancers when they messed up or Curves didn't want to hire.
In a free-market economy, deciding where to spend time and money is becoming clearer. At Raiders I can play around discovering the talents and skills of many dancers without punitive club fees for Champagne Room entrance. At Venom, I pretty much have to know a dancer and also know she's going to make me happy before I enjoy her company in the cabana. There's no more experimenting to discover fresh dancers or new skills.
Is it any wonder that dancers and others are bemoaning the lack of customers at Venom? Dancers complain about not making any money any more. It seems their money-making ability has been deterred. It was once said by the owner that the reason the cabanas were built in the first place was "for the dancers to make real money. " The dancers aren't making didley squat (like they used to) if cabana fees are keeping the customers from enjoying the cabanas more often.
When two clubs are offering different prices for the "same" thing, the customers are going to take the lower price option. (And it is virtually the "same" thingI've had threesomes in the Champaign Room and in the cabanas.) Predatory pricing at Venom will be its ultimate downfall.[/QUOTE]Nice economics lesson. I agree completely. It is hard to spend money on an unknown factor. Maybe the club manage did not pay attention in economics class, heh? The heffer factor at venom may also be turning customers away. Offer what customers want. Not what despise.
This. By increasing their prices to compensate for a dwindling customer base they are killing it off quicker. Therefore dancers are going to leave, meaning more customers are going to leave too. Its a vicious cycle.
[QUOTE=StripperLuv;4411386]Economics of Venom cabanas vs. Raiders Champaign Room.
Admission fee to the cabanas at Venom is $30 (with the dancer paying an additional $10 after the cabana time is finished). Admission fee to the Champaign Room at Raiders is $0 (the dancer pays a small fee to the bouncer afterwards).
Back when the Venom fee was reasonablesay up to $20, I'd take a chance by taking a dancer to the cabana even if I wasn't sure I'd be getting interesting and fulfilling entertainment. The fee was low enough that I'd try out new talent at a reasonable overhead. I'd find dancers whose talents and skills were previously unknown to me. It was like an audition with many becoming regular providers. That's not the case anymore. With the cabana fee at $30, I pretty much have to know in advance if I'm going to get a GFE / FS experience before I go in. This has consequences to the club, the dancer, and me.
The club has priced itself to the point that fewer customers go to the cabana. High cabana fees are a result of the greed of the club management. These results are less revenue for the club. The dancers are affected because they make less money since customers aren't taking as many trips to the cabanas. This affects me because I have to factor in the overhead to whatever I'm going to give the dancer for her time and services. That didn't use to be the case.
At Raiders, the customer and dancer walk into the Champaign Room, do whatever business they are doing, and walk out. There is no management-imposed impediment to the customer for enjoying himself. Additionally, in recent months, the talent pool has improved at Raiders. The club used to be known as the club dancers go to die. It was the banishment club that Curves management sent dancers when they messed up or Curves didn't want to hire.
In a free-market economy, deciding where to spend time and money is becoming clearer. At Raiders I can play around discovering the talents and skills of many dancers without punitive club fees for Champagne Room entrance. At Venom, I pretty much have to know a dancer and also know she's going to make me happy before I enjoy her company in the cabana. There's no more experimenting to discover fresh dancers or new skills.
Is it any wonder that dancers and others are bemoaning the lack of customers at Venom? Dancers complain about not making any money any more. It seems their money-making ability has been deterred. It was once said by the owner that the reason the cabanas were built in the first place was "for the dancers to make real money. " The dancers aren't making didley squat (like they used to) if cabana fees are keeping the customers from enjoying the cabanas more often.
When two clubs are offering different prices for the "same" thing, the customers are going to take the lower price option. (And it is virtually the "same" thingI've had threesomes in the Champaign Room and in the cabanas.) Predatory pricing at Venom will be its ultimate downfall.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=StripperLuv;4411386]Economics of Venom cabanas vs. Raiders Champaign Room.[/QUOTE]This is a great post, dead on. As a Newbie, the boat is my choice. I have been to both places and the service, the girls, the atmosphere, just about everything, is better. Venom is making bad business decisions and the boat is and will continue to benefit. So will we.
So, when's the Test. I crammed all night!
[QUOTE=DrumLover;4411741]This is a great post, dead on. As a Newbie, the boat is my choice. I have been to both places and the service, the girls, the atmosphere, just about everything, is better. Venom is making bad business decisions and the boat is and will continue to benefit. So will we.[/QUOTE]Looks like they trying to attract a certain type of coustomer like the ones in curves.
S9.
Thanks for the report. I've been wanting to see Genevieve for quite some time. However, I thought she decided the trip from Douglas was too long and wasn't coming any more. I will make her my priority. What are the best times and days to catch her? PM sent.
Thanks.
CL.
[QUOTE=ShyNine;4410251]Interesting reviews. I guess my standards have dropped. LOL.
I found quite a number of attractive women prancing the floor and stage.
As one of the "grandpas", I had a sweet time with genevieve within 15 minutes of walking in.
Selena (venom name) swung by with offers but $ was short so we played discretely on the floor.
Exotica is a hottie that I'd love to find out more about.
There were 2 tall AA girls that were looking fine to me and divine has a rockin' body!
All in all I had a great time and glad I stopped in.
Happy diving boys![/QUOTE]
But I was in either wed. Or thurs.
Usually she or ferrari come up mid week, if they come up.
You might call the club around 1/2 to see if she's in.
I got lucky.
[QUOTE=ChicaLuv;4412959]S9.
Thanks for the report. I've been wanting to see Genevieve for quite some time. However, I thought she decided the trip from Douglas was too long and wasn't coming any more. I will make her my priority. What are the best times and days to catch her? PM sent.
Thanks.
CL.[/QUOTE]
Completely agree on the previous assessment of cabana / VIP economics. Econ 101. But one thing Venom does have over the boat is drink prices. I don't drink anymore, usually get either coke or sprite, sometimes a bottled water. At venom I get the first one for $4. 50 and then any refills for a buck. Always the tall tumbler glass, and no matter what time. At the boat if I'm there during happy hr I get the usual toofer for $6. 75 or whatever it is now and same price if I want another. If I'm there after 7, I get that single dinky ass glass also for $6. 75 and no refill. Mind you this is for no alcohol. So on that aspect I got to side with V. But I don't run the risk of compromised decision making because of alcohol consumption resulting in a much lighter wallet like I used to. And while I'm not happy about the increase, as long as it doesn't go any higher, its worth it for me because of the complete privacy V offers. Plus I go in there with girls I have a well established business relationship with and theres no surprises on either end. Just my $0. 02. Be safe fellows 👍.