Rants and Raves

Rags like the Guardian and Rolling Stone print bullshit fed to them from this administration to propogate the lies, and fools like you lap it up without question. Meanwhile, they're forced to print a retraction, which no one will ever hear about:

[URL]https://www.theepochtimes.com/rolling-stone-issues-update-after-covid-ivermectin-article-disputed-by-oklahoma-hospital_3982459.html[/URL]

The article explains the source of your information is a fraudster who hasn't even worked at the hospital in months, and goes on to quote "Scott Schaeffer, managing director of the Oklahoma Center for Poison and Drug Information, told the Daily News that "since the beginning of May, we've received reports of 11 people being exposed to ivermectin," suggesting that there is no influx of ivermectin overdoses in state hospitals. Schaeffer noted that most had "relatively minor symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and dizziness".

That sounds a far cry from your quoted sensationalistic headline of "Oklahoma hospitals deluged by ivermectin overdoses, doctor says". What shabby, sloppy, irresponsible reporting. Oh, but it's ok because it's all in the name of promoting the vaccines at all costs.

What's pathologic is your acceptance of any bullshit that's fed to you on a blue platter, and you lapping it up like it's steak. Ivermectin is far more proven and time-tested than these experimental vaccines ever thought about being at this stage, and your failure to admit this is the stunning lack of logic. According to VAERS, there have been far more people sent to the hospital and the grave from these vaccines than Ivermectin ever thought about, incorrect dosing notwithstanding. Here's an Austalian Senator that gets it:

[URL]https://rumble.com/vm4rva-australian-senator-malcolm-roberts-on-ivermectin-suppression-they-have-bloo.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5530092]

This has led people to grab Ivermectin intended for animals with dosage levels for animals significantly larger than people... something that is dangerous to do even for 100% working and pertinent medication, and has led to hospitals being overwhelmed with people who've poisoned themselves with it.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/04/oklahoma-doctor-ivermectin-covid-coronavirus[/URL]

Developing nations have resorted to unproven treatments like Ivermectin because they lack access to the life-saving vaccines that anti-vaxxers in developed nations refuse when available freely until it rots on the shelves, so they're trying anything with even a chance of possibly helping.

There is no logic to reject a scientist and doctor approved medical treatment with no serious side effects over one that is not approved by them and has sent many folks to the hospital, other than a pathological rejection of establishment authorities and experts in favor of anti-establishment grifters and their enablers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5529712]But some of why'all are so far up his rectum you still won't get it. The man has been caught in a bald face lie.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/09/01/joe-bidens-call-to-afghan-president-is-impeachable-devine/[/URL][/QUOTE]The NY Post is the opposite of liberal. It's owned by Rupert Murdoch and has a history of conservative spin and even sensationalism.

The NY Daily News is liberal.

The mental distortion required to reject a COVID vaccine intended for humans, that has been tested and proven to be effective at preventing serious illness from COVID, to then accepting a medication intended as a de-wormer for horses that has NOT been medically or scientifically proven to be effective against COVID is utterly astounding. This is next level stupid!

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5530514]Rags like the Guardian and Rolling Stone print bullshit fed to them from this administration to propogate the lies, and fools like you lap it up without question. Meanwhile, they're forced to print a retraction, which no one will ever hear about:

[URL]https://www.theepochtimes.com/rolling-stone-issues-update-after-covid-ivermectin-article-disputed-by-oklahoma-hospital_3982459.html[/URL]

The article explains the source of your information is a fraudster who hasn't even worked at the hospital in months, and goes on to quote "Scott Schaeffer, managing director of the Oklahoma Center for Poison and Drug Information, told the Daily News that "since the beginning of May, we've received reports of 11 people being exposed to ivermectin," suggesting that there is no influx of ivermectin overdoses in state hospitals. Schaeffer noted that most had "relatively minor symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and dizziness".

That sounds a far cry from your quoted sensationalistic headline of "Oklahoma hospitals deluged by ivermectin overdoses, doctor says". What shabby, sloppy, irresponsible reporting. Oh, but it's ok because it's all in the name of promoting the vaccines at all costs.

What's pathologic is your acceptance of any bullshit that's fed to you on a blue platter, and you lapping it up like it's steak. Ivermectin is far more proven and time-tested than these experimental vaccines ever thought about being at this stage, and your failure to admit this is the stunning lack of logic. According to VAERS, there have been far more people sent to the hospital and the grave from these vaccines than Ivermectin ever thought about, incorrect dosing notwithstanding. Here's an Austalian Senator that gets it:

[URL]https://rumble.com/vm4rva-australian-senator-malcolm-roberts-on-ivermectin-suppression-they-have-bloo.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5530252]I didn't cherry pick anything and I didn't drop anything- you did because you didn't like the numbers. Pretty much all the data from the Israel and the UK contradicts the data coming from the lying mouthpieces here. You don't like the numbers there? That's your problem, you contest it with them. They're well laid out and self-explanatory, and even a mindless idiot like you should be able to do the calculations from the information given. I'm not going to do all your homework for you.

It's clear the vaccines have fogged your brain, because I've never contested the symptomatic effectiveness of the vaccines (and even stated so in my original post), even though that's what your whole diatribe below is about. Sympomatic effectiveness is not the bill of goods / lies that these vaccines have been sold on, and not the basis on which they're trying to get their mandates in place. There is no possible justification for forced vaccination for employment on that basis, and they know it, so they lie about it and say it's about the spread of the disease. That's a non-starter, and all the data shows that.

My post was about using risk-assessment and common sense to make decisions about vaccinations instead of a one-size-fits-all approach that only mindless idiots like this administration and its minions incapable of their own thoughts would advocate. Real Scientists would be breaking these groups down into those with high-risk conditions and obesity, which are clearly skewing the stats, instead of trying to push this on 12-year olds. And regarding those stats by the way, maybe there wouldn't be nearly so many deaths if suppression of education and other useful medications weren't being so heavily censored by this administration in order to push their vaccines down everyones throats. How many lives do you think that has cost? Yes, they are accountable for that. Trump was no spring chicken, and he was up and about within a few days of being hospitalized. Why aren't those kind of treatments, along with Ivermectin, being more heavily used and talked about? It's clear why, unless you just don't want to see. Oh yeah, just to be fair, let's not leave out the 7200 reported deaths from the vaccines from the VAERS reports. I'm sure you'll dispute those, but if you want to go down that path, there are plenty who will claim those reports only represent 1-10% of the actual number.

Once again, regarding Ivermectin, your ignorance is on display. You cite one study that has been called into question, but there have been dozens of studies done on Ivermectin showing conclusive results, including this study done in Israel:

[URL]https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-scientist-says-covid-19-could-be-treated-for-under-1day-675612[/URL]


Funny you should mention grifters. You will note his comments on the conflict of interest that no one is going to make money off ivermectin as a successful treatment for COVID. It should also be noted that NIH is a patent holder on the Moderna vaccine, so has an obvious conflict of interest as well. The grifters are the ones pushing the vaccines and the boosters on kids and otherwise perfectly healthy people with statistically near-zero risk from Covid.

About the dosage levels, you once again speak from a position of ignorance. The recommended dosage level for livestock and humans is exactly the same at 0.2 mg / kg. You are again mindlessly parroting what you're told to believe, instead of thinking for yourself. You want to know why people are turning to these kind of solutions? Because they've been lied to so many times, and they know it, and this administration has lost the trust of the people. That's why. They've been told they're too stupid to think for themselves, and they're not allowed to have informative, educational discussion, and that the administration will decide what they're allowed to see and hear, and what's good for you, and you will accept it and like it. Well guess what, they don't like it, and they're not accepting it, and it's showing up in the approval ratings.[/QUOTE]*USA's numbers show that the vast majority of Covid-19 deaths are unvaccinated, despite a majority of people being vaccinated including the oldest and most vulnerable.

*Israel's numbers show that the majority of severe Covid-19 cases are unvaccinated, despite an even larger majority of people being vaccinated.

*Gibraltar is fully vaccinated, and they show a dramatically lower death rate for their current outbreak relative to prior ones, especially compared to places like the USA which show surprisingly little improvement. Because in the USA it is likely that most cases are unvaccinated and thus show no real change.

All this is of course the tip of the iceberg, the USA is the most directly pertinent example because we both live there I think, while the latter two are nations you used to "prove" vaccinations don't work only for the actual data from them to show the opposite. But its not just those three. Nation after nation, study after study, reports the same facts, which is that vaccinated people are significantly less likely to be infected, and far less likely to die. In the July 12th to August 30th period, 1,374 fully vaccinated Americans died but 29,520 unvaccinated ones did. If America had 100% vaccination, the latter figure would be lower than 1,374 (as its a smaller and younger share of the population) and the death rate in the other bloc would be lower to (as there'd be less spread). Over half a thousand Americans are dying every day of Covid-19 who would be alive if they were vaccinated.

Big pharma being for-profit is undeniably a huge issue, but the proof is in the pudding, which is the drastic reduction in death rates for vaccinated populations vs unvaccinated. The vaccinations are free to the public and bought in bulk by government negotiated prices which as good as things ever get in the capitalist hellworld we call our current system. We already see how risk assessment played out in practice. With multiple Covid-19 vaccines developed simultaneously ones which either underperformed significantly or showed the slightest hint of serious side effects generally got tabled, and for those that passed 100's of millions got vaccinated and that expansive 'test' ultimately confirmed that they were in fact as safe and effective as advertised. Honestly we did get lucky.

On a tertiary note Trump got expensive and experimental treatments. He was rich and he got lucky. Scientists are in fact working around the clock to come up for medicine that specifically targeted Covid-19 for use on already infected patients, but unfortunately that's still in developmental stages. Of course if its approved by the authorities you will no doubt reject it too, ditto for Trump's treatments. Trump got vaccinated at the earliest opportunity, but that didn't stop anti-vaxxers. Heck Trump eventually tried to suggest people get vaccinated and got booed by his own supporters. Every government and scientific consensus body in the world could endorse anti-Covid measures and you wouldn't accept it.

But you don't seem interested in even considering it. Your response to data contradicting your views is to dismiss, to divert, to distract. There are so many ways to formulate the truth, such as:
[URL]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/06/09/us/covid-death-patterns-promo-1623268140952/covid-death-patterns-promo-1623268140952-videoSixteenByNineJumbo1600.png[/URL]

[URL]https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/https%3A%2F%2Fd6c748xw2pzm8.cloudfront.net%2Fprod%2F14aa2ef0-9946-11eb-8c71-f5e40b5819a0-standard.png?fit=scale-down&source=next&width=700[/URL]

The pointed decline of elderly Covid-19 deaths relative to younger populations due to their higher vaccination rates, as shown for both the USA and France, or:

[URL]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/07/30/us/covid-delta-cases-deaths-promo-1627688111595/covid-delta-cases-deaths-promo-1627688111595-jumbo-v4.png[/URL]

How nations that vaccinate have seen declines in Covid-19 deaths while nations that lack vaccinations due to access or non-compliance are hit hard by new waves as much as old ones.

You just willfully misuses the purpose of Ivermectin in humans to prove your point which shows your level of stupid.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5531382]The mental distortion required to reject a COVID vaccine intended for humans, that has been tested and proven to be effective at preventing serious illness from COVID, to then accepting a medication intended as a de-wormer for horses that has NOT been medically or scientifically proven to be effective against COVID is utterly astounding. This is next level stupid![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5531524]You just willfully misuses the purpose of Ivermectin in humans to prove your point which shows your level of stupid.[/QUOTE]I try to never stop a dipshit from fucking themselves up. Helps thin out the stupid herd. Like you. Please go take some Ivermectin. Make sure to load up the short bus with Nitesukr, Hamget, Comtech brown-water pants and any of the others around here. Make a clean sweep.

[B]Ivermectin - YouTube[/B]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLtCBvKI_Mc[/URL]

Ivermectin has been safely used in humans for over 40 years to treat parasitic infections. Ivermectin works also as a protease inhibitor. Pfizer's new pill, hoped to be released soon to fight China Virus, is a protease inhibitor. Ivermectin is a generic and costs a fraction of a penny on the dollar vs the presumed cost of Pfizers soon to be released 'miracle' pill.

'Based on this, ivermectin has been recently reported as the most active agent against COVID-19 among the US FDA-approved drugs in vitro trial. Ivermectin is a macrocyclic lactone natively used to treat a broad spectrum of parasitic infestations including lymphatic filariasis and onchocerciasis. '.

[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7996102/[/URL]

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5530051]Would you care to comment about the GROSS politicization of the CDC and FDA under t-Rump?[/QUOTE]The top two FDA officials in charge of vaccine research and review resigned in protest of the Biden administration's politicization of the FDA. This actually happened. It's real. It's current. In response you show random google searches claiming Trump attacked the FDA. Why? Did the top two FDA officials in charge of vaccine research and review resign in protest under Trump? No. They didn't. Why link meaningless google searches in an attempt to blame Trump? Why do you allow a verbose male authority figure to trigger you so much? Is it due to unresolved conflicts between you and your father? Psych 101. I think it is. You need to work that out. It's taking a toll. You're pretty fucking creepy. Kiddie porn, peeping thru windows, messing with animals kind of creepy. Please stay out of my feed.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5531680]I try to never stop a dipshit from fucking themselves up. Helps thin out the stupid herd. Like you. Please go take some Ivermectin. Make sure to load up the short bus with Nitesukr, Hamget, Comtech brown-water pants and any of the others around here. Make a clean sweep.

[B]Ivermectin - YouTube[/B]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLtCBvKI_Mc[/URL][/QUOTE]Whose job was it to keep you from fucking up your life? What a catastrophic failure.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5531848]The top two FDA officials in charge of vaccine research and review resigned in protest of the Biden administration's politicization of the FDA. This actually happened. It's real. It's current. In response you show random google searches claiming Trump attacked the FDA. Why? Did the top two FDA officials in charge of vaccine research and review resign in protest under Trump? No. They didn't. Why link meaningless google searches in an attempt to blame Trump? Why do you allow a verbose male authority figure to trigger you so much? Is it due to unresolved conflicts between you and your father? Psych 101. I think it is. You need to work that out. It's taking a toll. You're pretty fucking creepy. Kiddie porn, peeping thru windows, messing with animals kind of creepy. Please stay out of my feed.[/QUOTE]Yep, right on cue, from the forums chief manure spreader.

What's next-level stupid is your inability to read, and apparently think. You've gone through all kinds of mental distortions to imply and impute things that I never said, but you're too stupid to even realize it. I won't bother to explain it to you because you're beyond help, but I'll offer up a standing bet anytime you've got the balls to back up all your big talk. I'll bet you $1000 that I'll outscore you in any IQ test you want to take. We can meet at a proctoring service location and take the test at the same time. I'm confident I'll embarrass you because this test won't include anything on the toilet humor or pedophilia that you spend all your time on.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5531382]The mental distortion required to reject a COVID vaccine intended for humans, that has been tested and proven to be effective at preventing serious illness from COVID, to then accepting a medication intended as a de-wormer for horses that has NOT been medically or scientifically proven to be effective against COVID is utterly astounding. This is next level stupid![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5532205]What's next-level stupid is your inability to read, and apparently think. You've gone through all kinds of mental distortions to imply and impute things that I never said, but you're too stupid to even realize it. I won't bother to explain it to you because you're beyond help, but I'll offer up a standing bet anytime you've got the balls to back up all your big talk. I'll bet you $1000 that I'll outscore you in any IQ test you want to take. We can meet at a proctoring service location and take the test at the same time. I'm confident I'll embarrass you because this test won't include anything on the toilet humor or pedophilia that you spend all your time on.[/QUOTE]Thanks, now go back to your henhouse Chicken Little. Nobody takes your cackling seriously.

Yes, we've been over it, and you keep making the same point over and over (that the vaccines are symptomatically effective), even though I acknowledged this from the very start. I have never dismissed that data, despite your claims to the contrary. I even said maybe they have a place for the elderly or health-compromised. Those are the ones that are largely at risk of dying from Covid. The rest is fear-mongering, and trying to distort the stats into a one-size fits-all to push an agenda through. That makes no sense to me, and is illogical. On the other hand, I haven't seen any convincing evidence of your claim that the vaccines are preventing the spread of the disease. No, I won't accept claims just because "experts" tell me I should. I will accept only the truth, and the truth and the data speak for themselves. I can make the same claim about you that every data point that I show that demonstrates otherwise you dismiss.

I think you get my point, but are just choosing to ignore it. My issue is not as much with the vaccines themselves (although admittedly, I don't feel the risk / reward is in favor for my age / health profile, and I do also question potential long-term issues which I've already pointed out), but with this administration and media for the censorship and distortion in an effort to force their agenda. I find that censorship and agenda an affront to civil liberties, human rights, and everything this country was built on. I think others in this country have about had enough as well and are starting to voice the same:

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-chants-break-college-football-games-country-1626438[/URL]

When college kids around the country start chanting "Fuck Joe Biden" at football games, that gives you an idea of the frustration level people have with this administration, and the lies they're being told. This is the kind of thing that goes viral, and it wouldn't shock me to see this catch on at more and more campuses around the country. If this carries through to mid-terms, his own party will be joining the chant as well.

Regarding Trump, I really don't care what he chooses to do for himself and vaccination- that's a personal choice that everyone should be able to make for themselves. I do care that he says that would respect that choice, and would never make vaccines mandatory, and for that reason alone, I would support him over Biden. I think the Democrats are going to discover most independents feel this way. The cost of monoclonal antibodies has already come down significantly, and would come down dramatically more if focus were put in that direction. But that is not what this administration wants at all. They don't want effective treatments for Covid. They want people scared so they can force their vaccines.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5531385]*USA's numbers show that the vast majority of Covid-19 deaths are unvaccinated, despite a majority of people being vaccinated including the oldest and most vulnerable.

*Israel's numbers show that the majority of severe Covid-19 cases are unvaccinated, despite an even larger majority of people being vaccinated.

*Gibraltar is fully vaccinated, and they show a dramatically lower death rate for their current outbreak relative to prior ones, especially compared to places like the USA which show surprisingly little improvement. Because in the USA it is likely that most cases are unvaccinated and thus show no real change.

All this is of course the tip of the iceberg, the USA is the most directly pertinent example because we both live there I think, while the latter two are nations you used to "prove" vaccinations don't work only for the actual data from them to show the opposite. But its not just those three. Nation after nation, study after study, reports the same facts, which is that vaccinated people are significantly less likely to be infected, and far less likely to die. In the July 12th to August 30th period, 1,374 fully vaccinated Americans died but 29,520 unvaccinated ones did. If America had 100% vaccination, the latter figure would be lower than 1,374 (as its a smaller and younger share of the population) and the death rate in the other bloc would be lower to (as there'd be less spread). Over half a thousand Americans are dying every day of Covid-19 who would be alive if they were vaccinated.

Big pharma being for-profit is undeniably a huge issue, but the proof is in the pudding, which is the drastic reduction in death rates for vaccinated populations vs unvaccinated. The vaccinations are free to the public and bought in bulk by government negotiated prices which as good as things ever get in the capitalist hellworld we call our current system. We already see how risk assessment played out in practice. With multiple Covid-19 vaccines developed simultaneously ones which either underperformed significantly or showed the slightest hint of serious side effects generally got tabled, and for those that passed 100's of millions got vaccinated and that expansive 'test' ultimately confirmed that they were in fact as safe and effective as advertised. Honestly we did get lucky.

On a tertiary note Trump got expensive and experimental treatments. He was rich and he got lucky. Scientists are in fact working around the clock to come up for medicine that specifically targeted Covid-19 for use on already infected patients, but unfortunately that's still in developmental stages. Of course if its approved by the authorities you will no doubt reject it too, ditto for Trump's treatments. Trump got vaccinated at the earliest opportunity, but that didn't stop anti-vaxxers. Heck Trump eventually tried to suggest people get vaccinated and got booed by his own supporters. Every government and scientific consensus body in the world could endorse anti-Covid measures and you wouldn't accept it.

But you don't seem interested in even considering it. Your response to data contradicting your views is to dismiss, to divert, to distract. There are so many ways to formulate the truth, such as:
[URL]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/06/09/us/covid-death-patterns-promo-1623268140952/covid-death-patterns-promo-1623268140952-videoSixteenByNineJumbo1600.png[/URL]

[URL]https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/https%3A%2F%2Fd6c748xw2pzm8.cloudfront.net%2Fprod%2F14aa2ef0-9946-11eb-8c71-f5e40b5819a0-standard.png?fit=scale-down&source=next&width=700[/URL]

The pointed decline of elderly Covid-19 deaths relative to younger populations due to their higher vaccination rates, as shown for both the USA and France, or:

[URL]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/07/30/us/covid-delta-cases-deaths-promo-1627688111595/covid-delta-cases-deaths-promo-1627688111595-jumbo-v4.png[/URL]

How nations that vaccinate have seen declines in Covid-19 deaths while nations that lack vaccinations due to access or non-compliance are hit hard by new waves as much as old ones.[/QUOTE]

Put your money where your big fat mouth is. Who's the chicken shit now?

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5532227]Thanks, now go back to your henhouse Chicken Little. Nobody takes your cackling seriously.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5532007]Yep, right on cue, from the forums chief manure spreader.[/QUOTE]You know how to read, pervert? Stick to your kiddie porn and peeping thru windows you fucking weirdo.

From the Trump hating Business Insider.

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/2-top-fda-officials-resigned-biden-booster-plan-reports-2021-9[/URL]