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[QUOTE=Davey1965]Yes did I say Krista..
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I sure did. Saw her the other night and again this evening. No longer a blonde
but long brunette hair past her shoulders. She put on some well needed
weight and is looking mighty fine again. I stopped dating her a long time
ago as she really headed down hill. If I didn't just finish up a date
I would have picked her up this eve.
Anyone here who remembers her knows her stroll, and she always
wanting to be the "bottom hoe" is out often bringing home the bacon.[/QUOTE]
So I happened to out and about this morning on my way to work passed the "none of that stuff" dealer and who did I see strolling by but my old friend Krista.
I waived she immediately recognized me so I stop to shoot the shit with her a little and see what happened to her in the past 2 years she has been MIA.
Well I just couldn't help myself and despite the fact I was supposed to be on my way to work I said fuck it and told Krista to hop in. Went back to my place and chatted on the way. I like Davey remember her when things were bad, very bad, to the point I wouldn't pick her up anymore either just cause she was so fucked up on drugs she wasn't even a good date anymore.
Well she looked great, and when I got her back to my place and got her clothes off I was just blown away. Yes her body does show a little wear and tear but over all her body is spectacular now, and her breasts, damn, I could not keep my hands off those things, a D at least and beautiful.
Now for all the time we spent together back in the day we both realized we have never had sex together, lots of BJ's but no sex. Well that was about to change today. This girl knows how to fuck, and she genuinely seemed to enjoy the ride as well. CG, Doggie, BBBJ, DFK all were just awesome. I don't know if she was this good because she knows me and is comfortable with me so YMMV but I can't complain.
2 jacks and a ham for the trouble. Krista has earned herself a spot in my top 5 for sure. Just hope things stay good and she doesn't start another downward spiral.
Z
[QUOTE=Zaphod II]So I happened to out and about this morning on my way to work passed the "none of that stuff" dealer and who did I see strolling by but my old friend Krista.
I waived she immediately recognized me so I stop to shoot the shit with her a little and see what happened to her in the past 2 years she has been MIA.
[/QUOTE]Wow. I guess I'd missed Davey's report about a recent Krista sighting. So Zaphod are you going to tease us by making each of us date Krista to find out what happened to her for the past 2 years? How about a clue at least :-) I suppose jail or prison are the most likely possibilities but I seem to to remember her talking about a mom living in the San Francisco area (I think) and some interest in spending time out there.
As I recall the last time she was on the stroll, she didn't last too long before she was gone again - I'd assumed forever. As you and Davey indicate, drugs had really taken their toll on her the last time I dated her and I'd pretty much written her off as someone I'd date again. It's great to hear she's looking so good. She certainly did look good at one time back in the day. Of course all that said, it's not likely that her return to the Ave marks a good sign in her recovery.
Even when she was in obvious bad shape, I always found Krista to be someone who gave an honest day's effort in return for your money. Pleasant, no rush, good skills. Like you, my only experience with her has been BBBJCIMs, quite a few of them. Sounds like her FS is worth sampling too but I've gotta say I'm somewhat surprised to hear she offered up DFK as part of the basic menu. I'll keep my eyes open for her on my less-than-frequent visits to the Ave these days.
[blue]Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
Jackson[/blue]
[QUOTE=Supereloquent]At least get your story straight. You gave me a number for the Cheryl on K, NOT Torresdale (by the way, Cheryl was no longer at that number the day you gave it to me). The Cheryl you gave me the number for is about 22 and works the K. Torresdale Cheryl is 35, and I was the first one to ever report on her. Trashed201 can confirm that I connected him with her and she was exactly what I said she was.
As for activity: when I visit the K I like to make it worth my while and see several SWs. I used to do the independent escort, in-house places and AMPs but your capital is pretty much used up in one visit unless you are very wealthy or don't care to pay the light bill that month. I can see 3 to 4 (or more if I am feeling up to it) SWs in a fun day on K and/or Torresdale and/or Old York for about the same price, or less, as ONE experience with any of the above I have mentioned. As long as you pace yourself and have the time it is no big deal.[/QUOTE]Uh, no. Look at my 12/28 report, it clearly indicates Cheryl works Torresdale. Never saw her on the K except one time about 2 hours after I'd done a date with her on Torresdale. And the one I've reviewed here and provided info to you on is in her 30s, blond, skinny. Last I saw her about 3 weeks ago she was allegedly going into an inpatient program so can't say what the deal is with her now.
I don't roll with you, and I have conceded that you may have been with her, so I have no intention on getting into another flame war. You've undoubtedly provided good info on a number of gals, but a false report is a lapse and raises issues. You've offered an excuse for that, and it's not up to me to be the final arbiter of whether it's valid or not. All I really was pointing out is that a false report taints the integrity of the poster.
I came back to edit this note after receiving a private message from Super. It reads:
"You gave me the digits for brunette Cheryl, 22, on K (btw, she wasn't there any more the day you sent them).
Trashed201 was talking about blond Cheryl, 35, on Torresdale. You implied that you gave me her number and posted a previous report on her, which you did NEITHER. I wrote the first report on her and I was the first to get her digits.
Thanks for jumping on the bandwagon to smear my credibility without even bothering to check which Cheryl to which Trashed201 was referring.
At the very least I deserve a retraction and apology on your part."
Again, this is a misstatement of fact. Don't know if it's accidental or deliberate, but the fact is I don't know any young Cheryl, and don't know of any Cheryl who works the K at all as stated above. To refresh your memory, here's the exchange of PM's we had on Cheryl beginning on 1/2/09, before your report, which will demonstrate the falsity of your statements above:
Re: Blond Cheryl
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Originally Posted by Supereloquent
Where does blond Cheryl hang out on the Torresdale stroll?
Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Dark Phoenix
I've seen her mostly around Benner, Comly or Howell (which are all consecutive intersections). However, I've tried calling her about 3x over the past week and no answer or return call, so she may be inactive, gone or in jail.
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Originally Posted by Supereloquent
Thanks for the info. I seem to be striking out on Torresdale in the day (Around noon to 5). Is it strictly an evening stroll?
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Originally Posted by Dark Phoenix
Can't really say I've ever even tried in the daytime. There are some old reports of action in the AM drive time. The volume is really never what it is on Kensington Ave, even at night. I just like the convenience of it for me, since what seems to be the most active area, near Howell, is literally a 5 minute drive for me. I'd never recommend it over the K by any means though.
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I have no axe to grind with you, but I really don't know what you're referring to and it seems there's some confusion on your part. I don't think I have anything to either retract or apologize for, though. If I did, I would. Sorry if I played any role in sending you over the deep end, since it seems that's where you've gone and I really don't have any animosity and don't wish you ill. Just wouldn't go cruising in Ft. Lauderdale looking for the chick munching on the huge cock at this point.
And Davey, thanks for the "testimonial." Speaking of sore pussies, have you seen you know who recently?
[QUOTE=Dark Phoenix]Uh, no. Look at my 12/28 report, it clearly indicates Cheryl works Torresdale. Never saw her on the K except one time about 2 hours after I'd done a date with her on Torresdale. And the one I've reviewed here and provided info to you on is in her 30s, blond, skinny. Last I saw her about 3 weeks ago she was allegedly going into an inpatient program so can't say what the deal is with her now.
I don't roll with you, and I have conceded that you may have been with her, so I have no intention on getting into another flame war. You've undoubtedly provided good info on a number of gals, but a false report is a lapse and raises issues. You've offered an excuse for that, and it's not up to me to be the final arbiter of whether it's valid or not. All I really was pointing out is that a false report taints the integrity of the poster.
And Davey, thanks for the "testimonial." Speaking of sore pussies, have you seen you know who recently?[/QUOTE]I got Torresdale Cheryl's digits, and you didn't give them to me, so that is about as much "proof" that I was with her as I can offer you (and Trashed201 can verify that the digits, which I shared with him, worked). But I don't appreciate your insinuating in the first place that I got the information on her second hand from you or your report.
[QUOTE=Mike 80]Wow. I guess I'd missed Davey's report about a recent Krista sighting. So Zaphod are you going to tease us by making each of us date Krista to find out what happened to her for the past 2 years? How about a clue at least :-) I suppose jail or prison are the most likely possibilities but I seem to to remember her talking about a mom living in the San Francisco area (I think) and some interest in spending time out there.
As I recall the last time she was on the stroll, she didn't last too long before she was gone again - I'd assumed forever. As you and Davey indicate, drugs had really taken their toll on her the last time I dated her and I'd pretty much written her off as someone I'd date again. It's great to hear she's looking so good. She certainly did look good at one time back in the day. Of course all that said, it's not likely that her return to the Ave marks a good sign in her recovery.
Even when she was in obvious bad shape, I always found Krista to be someone who gave an honest day's effort in return for your money. Pleasant, no rush, good skills. Like you, my only experience with her has been BBBJCIMs, quite a few of them. Sounds like her FS is worth sampling too but I've gotta say I'm somewhat surprised to hear she offered up DFK as part of the basic menu. I'll keep my eyes open for her on my less-than-frequent visits to the Ave these days.[/QUOTE]Lol, actually I didn't think anyone wanted to hear about that part..lol.
Pretty much what you would expect, Jail time took up most of it, then she was in rehab for awhile. Got herself together just to find herself back in this scene again. I asked why, and basicly just got a shrug and an I don't know.
I suggest you pay her a visit sooner rather then later if she intrests you given her track record.
Z
[QUOTE=Zaphod II]Lol, actually I didn't think anyone wanted to hear about that part..lol.
Pretty much what you would expect, Jail time took up most of it, then she was in rehab for awhile. Got herself together just to find herself back in this scene again. I asked why, and basicly just got a shrug and an I don't know.
I suggest you pay her a visit sooner rather then later if she intrests you given her track record.
Z[/QUOTE]I have to agree she was alway plesant. She used to be out all the time, almost as much as Kate used to be at D&D. I always appreciated the fact that even if you drove by her one day she would not hassel you the next time you stopped for her. Never tried to flag you down either. I wish she could have broken the cycle.
[QUOTE=Supereloquent]At least get your story straight. You gave me a number for the Cheryl on K, NOT Torresdale (by the way, Cheryl was no longer at that number the day you gave it to me). The Cheryl you gave me the number for is about 22 and works the K. Torresdale Cheryl is 35, and I was the first one to ever report on her. Trashed201 can confirm that I connected him with her and she was exactly what I said she was.
As for activity: when I visit the K I like to make it worth my while and see several SWs. I used to do the independent escort, in-house places and AMPs but your capital is pretty much used up in one visit unless you are very wealthy or don't care to pay the light bill that month. I can see 3 to 4 (or more if I am feeling up to it) SWs in a fun day on K and/or Torresdale and/or Old York for about the same price, or less, as ONE experience with any of the above I have mentioned. As long as you pace yourself and have the time it is no big deal.[/QUOTE]In spite of the disbeliever's I must support Super as he did provide me with Torresdale Cheryl's digits. They and his detailed description of her were dead on accurate. He's a ok in my book. I'm not here to change opinions just state my factual experience with him.
I walk. I don't drive the K. No way. Took the El to Somerset St and jumped off. What a hood. Nothing but drug deals and SW. INOW if you are going to walk or stand on a conner on the K. Please look like you may fit in. Look over at the WOODSHED and right out front there stood a old white guy (I'm white) with a tie and coat looking for a BJ. Man. Oh. Man. Fit in.
In 5 minutes I pick-up Sandy a 19y SW fresh out of re-hab from a small pa town called Handover. In the woodshed and the place was standing room only for a room. Into room. She takes off all her clothes and what a sweet hairy pussy. With 19y little tit's. Tight ASS. Not bad looking. Suck my cock. I rubber up and do a Booty Bang. Off with the comden and she wraps up with a BBBJCIM. The Order came to woodshed 25. SW 25.
[QUOTE=CockMaster]I walk. I don't drive the K. No way. Took the El to Somerset St and jumped off. What a hood. Nothing but drug deals and SW. INOW if you are going to walk or stand on a conner on the K. Please look like you may fit in. Look over at the WOODSHED and right out front there stood a old white guy (I'm white) with a tie and coat looking for a BJ. Man. Oh. Man. Fit in.
In 5 minutes I pick-up Sandy a 19y SW fresh out of re-hab from a small pa town called Handover. In the woodshed and the place was standing room only for a room. Into room. She takes off all her clothes and what a sweet hairy pussy. With 19y little tit's. Tight ASS. Not bad looking. Suck my cock. I rubber up and do a Booty Bang. Off with the comden and she wraps up with a BBBJCIM. The Order came to woodshed 25. SW 25.[/QUOTE]
Holy cow! Standing room only in the Woodshed. Seems like business on
the ave is thriving just fine.Were they using the upstairs as well? I've
seen times where you had to wait when the still had the upstairs available
but weren't letting anyone up there. Sounds like a good find, but as
in my recent post to Super "whats up with the hairy pussy on the ave".
I guess since the Patio closed mongers haven't been throwing the
girls in the shower with a shaving kit as much as the used to.
[QUOTE=Zaphod II]So I happened to out and about this morning on my way to work passed the "none of that stuff" dealer and who did I see strolling by but my old friend Krista.
I waived she immediately recognized me so I stop to shoot the shit with her a little and see what happened to her in the past 2 years she has been MIA.
Well I just couldn't help myself and despite the fact I was supposed to be on my way to work I said fuck it and told Krista to hop in. Went back to my place and chatted on the way. I like Davey remember her when things were bad, very bad, to the point I wouldn't pick her up anymore either just cause she was so fucked up on drugs she wasn't even a good date anymore.
Well she looked great, and when I got her back to my place and got her clothes off I was just blown away. Yes her body does show a little wear and tear but over all her body is spectacular now, and her breasts, damn, I could not keep my hands off those things, a D at least and beautiful.
Now for all the time we spent together back in the day we both realized we have never had sex together, lots of BJ's but no sex. Well that was about to change today. This girl knows how to fuck, and she genuinely seemed to enjoy the ride as well. CG, Doggie, BBBJ, DFK all were just awesome. I don't know if she was this good because she knows me and is comfortable with me so YMMV but I can't complain.
2 jacks and a ham for the trouble. Krista has earned herself a spot in my top 5 for sure. Just hope things stay good and she doesn't start another downward spiral.
Z[/QUOTE]
Hey Zaphod, you forgot to mention if she was shaved or not. I think I'm
on a roll this morning posting about hairy pussies. I have a free weekend
coming up next week and wondering if I need to bring the weedwacker
with me to start cleaning these girls up a bit.
Hit the K about midnight last night, and it was dead except for a lot of activity around the bars. TONS of LE out practically everywhere. Nothing doing until about 1 am, when I see a youngish blond, not really chubby but curvy, walking in sweats and sneaks near Cumberland. Wasn't really sure about her - she had the hood up so I couldn't get a good look at first but I circled around a few times til I could ensure she was in fact cute.
Her name's Angie, she's 19 and according to her, doesn't do the SW thing often, but on the other hand I note she didn't had digits since she lost her cell phone so she's not that much of a newbie either. Reasonably cute, a little acne on the face, and a little shy at first, but a cute round butt, nice big round tits and a really soft smooth body. She didn't want to go too far, so we found a spot I was only marginally comfortable with at first, but then she started giving me a really nice BBBJ. Not DT, but pretty damn close and she had a very enthusiastic technique. Since she was wearing sweats, it was easy for me to reach around and start playing with her pussy, and she really started to respond. Things got heated enough I asked if she wanted to fuck, even though I only originally intended a BJ.
She responded with a big smile on her face and I could tell she wanted to also. She whipped off the sweats, and I was mildly disappointed to see a pretty hairy pussy, but her cute little young body made up for it (incidentally she says she normally shaves, but it's been weeks obviously). Great enthusiastic fuck - she was so wet she left evidence behind on the leather seat - and she clearly was having a lot of fun also. Gave her my number, next time I think it's a room, a shower and a shave. Don't know if she's been reviewed here before or not because I was too lazy to do a search. But definitely worth a shot if you can catch her. Nice disposition too. I'd given her 30 for the BJ and when we did the upgrade she asked for 40 but took 25, so she's right in the range.
[QUOTE=Davey1965]Hey Zaphod, you forgot to mention if she was shaved or not. I think I'm
on a roll this morning posting about hairy pussies. I have a free weekend
coming up next week and wondering if I need to bring the weedwacker
with me to start cleaning these girls up a bit.[/QUOTE]
She's not clean shaven if that's what your looking for. Yea she's got a decent amount of bush going, don't bother me really but I know it's a problem for some. Not outta control 70's porn bush mind you (ewww) but probably too much for your tastes Davey.
As an update to my previous post, shes been pulling all-nighters so I'm afraid the downward spiral may be in progress already.
Z
Well in addition to my surprise of the return of Krista, I have run into another of the K Alumni. Some of you may remember Leigha or Layaha as she was sometimes referred to.
She's an old Reg and friend of mine and she sort of back as she put it. She's put on a good bit of weight so I tend to believe her when she tells me shes still clean. An unfortunate set of circumstances have put her back in Kensington and she back to her old "tricks" to make some extra cash.
Says she is trying to stick to her old Reg's like me so if you don't know her you may have some difficulty, as such I am posting this for the benefits of the other vet's out here that know her.
Z
Visting, would like to find a stroll in NE Philly.
[QUOTE=Gebaeater69]Visting, would like to find a stroll in NE Philly.[/QUOTE]
Did you even try to look for this information yourself, it's all in here you know.
Z
[QUOTE=Gebaeater69]Visting, would like to find a stroll in NE Philly.[/QUOTE]
Hyattsen Rd is legendary as THE Philadelphia stroll. It is right off of 76 East after Girard.
[QUOTE=Sexpa]Hyattsen Rd is legendary as THE Philadelphia stroll. It is right off of 76 East after Girard.[/QUOTE]
You've just been sent on a snipe hunt! Better read the forum. NE Philly only has one stroll and not particularly active, nor is the best talent there. If you're willing to go a little more toward Center City, hit Kensington Avenue, which is more than adequately discussed in this thread.
[QUOTE=Dark Phoenix]
Her name's Angie, she's 19 and according to her, doesn't do the SW thing often, but on the other hand I note she didn't had digits since she lost her cell phone so she's not that much of a newbie either. Reasonably cute, a little acne on the face, and a little shy at first, but a cute round butt, nice big round tits and a really soft smooth body. [/QUOTE]
Correction: name's Ashley. She called me to see if I wanted to do a date Tuesday and I realized after I'd screwed up her name in my post. Tried to meet her at @ 8:30 at a prearranged place but she no showed.
[QUOTE=Dark Phoenix]You've just been sent on a snipe hunt! Better read the forum. NE Philly only has one stroll and not particularly active, nor is the best talent there. If you're willing to go a little more toward Center City, hit Kensington Avenue, which is more than adequately discussed in this thread.[/QUOTE]
Geez..When did you become such a nice guy !!! Hey, I saw our recent
conquest out and about the other day, but was gone by the time
I got to turn around. Have you seen or heard from her lately.
[QUOTE=Dark Phoenix]You've just been sent on a snipe hunt! Better read the forum. NE Philly only has one stroll and not particularly active, nor is the best talent there. If you're willing to go a little more toward Center City, hit Kensington Avenue, which is more than adequately discussed in this thread.[/QUOTE]Wow, it's been years since I heard that term. We used to use that as initiation for Tenderfoot campers in the Boy Scouts. The other one was "ear lobes," an infection of the ear for first time campers, the only cure for which was painting the entire ear red with mercurochrome. I think this first time poster got his ears painted and you ruined all the fun by telling him that ear lobes were part of his ear. Were you a Boy Scout, Dark Phoenix, or is a snipe hunt something everyone went on as a kid?
[QUOTE=Davey1965]Geez..When did you become such a nice guy !!! Hey, I saw our recent
conquest out and about the other day, but was gone by the time
I got to turn around. Have you seen or heard from her lately.[/QUOTE]
Well, it's one thing to say RTFF and another to send someone off to a nonexistent location. Plus, if a monger is cruising around with money to spend but is sent off on a wild goose chase, a provider goes without, and that's ultimately bad for the economy. Small business is the engine of our economic growth, after all. But I digress.
I haven't seen or heard from Johanna in probably about a month. The last time she called it was about 6:30 on a Sunday morning and she was sounding VERY rough in the voicemail she left. This was right in the beginning of that evil cold snap, and even I took a few weeks off from the stroll to just while away the hours in relative warmth with "straight" girls (but I'm over that and feeling much better now, thanks).
I didn't call back, since dating a girl who's going thru withdrawal usually yields a pretty shitty experience, and I was less than happy with her last performance, when she was in too much pain to take me on. That was just horseshit. She can be nice, but the time frame between her bouts of the DTs when she's worth seeing seem to be shorter and shorter each time I see her. I might try again if I happen to catch her walking around, but don't know if I'd reach out. Have you tried calling her recently? I'd be surprised if she still had a working number. I'd actually like to give it another shot with redheaded Sarah, but haven't seen her at all.
Mostly when I've been hitting the K it's been kind of late and I tend to gravitate toward Stacy when I can find her. The FS has been getting absolutely amazing between us and the oral service is right up there at the top of the list.
Just also ran into someone new Tuesday nite around 9 - hispanic girl named Belinda. Very tiny little thing, probably a little under 5 feet...the absolute definition of a spinner. Said her background's Peruvian (like the residue on my mirror in the 80s), and she actually has some of those Inca-type facial features, but she's Cherry Hill all the way when you talk to her. Very cute little girl voice too....did that sound too creepy and perverted? It's actually adorable to hear her talk.
She does a pretty nice BBBJ although her tiny size kind of inhibited things a little. When she seemed to be getting tired, I suggested FS and she agreed for another .20 bringing the tab to .50. That wasn't so great - she was really, really, really tight (too much so for me) and not that wet either, so that didn't help. Overall she just wasn't into the FS end of it, although she is very skillful with dirty talk, which I do like. Very pleasant and accommodating, though, so I have to give her credit for that. Seemed like there were a lot of large yellow vehicles nearby when I met her....
Just curious. I knew I wasn't really out there, but figured in the last couple years, I did ok. In any case, I was trying to find a particular WSW and couldn't remember her name. So I figured I would check out the "Alphabetized Listing", then put out a shout out for her. No luck in finding my "girl".
In any case, I went through all of them and tracked how many SWs I was with in two years. I figured that I would be around 25% of them. Again, I'm not out there that much....to my surprise, I was with only 15 of 124 (12%). Certainly not a power monger.
If you got time, check out the pics. Might bring back some memories. I know it did for me...are you a "Power Monger"?
[QUOTE=Supereloquent] I think this first time poster got his ears painted and you ruined all the fun by telling him that ear lobes were part of his ear. Were you a Boy Scout, Dark Phoenix, or is a snipe hunt something everyone went on as a kid?[/QUOTE]
...I was never a Boy Scout. However, I did take part in sending a few dweebs out into the woods looking for snipe in camp when I was a kid. True story: one of them got lost in the woods for 4 days, and we all got in a shitload of trouble. Wasn't so funny in the end. Guess that's why I had a conscience here, but in my own defense, I did tell the hapless noob to RTFF which is what he should've done in the first place.
[QUOTE=Dark Phoenix]...I was never a Boy Scout. However, I did take part in sending a few dweebs out into the woods looking for snipe in camp when I was a kid. True story: one of them got lost in the woods for 4 days, and we all got in a shitload of trouble. Wasn't so funny in the end. Guess that's why I had a conscience here, but in my own defense, I did tell the hapless noob to RTFF which is what he should've done in the first place.[/QUOTE]You are right. Having a conscience was the high road. I only led a snipe hunt once and they wanted to stay out all night until they caught one. Maybe the joke was really on me.
HOWEVER.
The "hapless noob" (boob? ) was obviously too lazy to RTFF and probably too lazy to even look up what RTFF even means, and; therefore, likely too lazy to check out the street before going there. I would have loved to be a fly inside his car when he tried to find the first exit after Girard (wouldn't that be the Vine Street Expressway/Route 676? ) and seeing the crinkled faces and puzzled looks as he asked everyone in Center City where the legendary "Hyattsen Road" was.
It was just a funny thought. The Golden Rule was the right thing to apply and you had some past experience to remind you. After what I have been through on this Forum I definitely have seen the dark side of that, like the kid lost in the woods. Perhaps a few mongers here will learn the lesson you did. One can only hope.
[QUOTE=Abcpanther]Just curious. I knew I wasn't really out there, but figured in the last couple years, I did ok. In any case, I was trying to find a particular WSW and couldn't remember her name. So I figured I would check out the "Alphabetized Listing", then put out a shout out for her. No luck in finding my "girl".
In any case, I went through all of them and tracked how many SWs I was with in two years. I figured that I would be around 25% of them. Again, I'm not out there that much....to my surprise, I was with only 15 of 124 (12%). Certainly not a power monger.
If you got time, check out the pics. Might bring back some memories. I know it did for me...are you a "Power Monger"?[/QUOTE]
I think I counted 66...
[QUOTE=Davey1965]I think I counted 66...[/QUOTE]
That's closer to what I was thinking...but fell way short. Here's another thought.
Monger Investment: Average Spent x SWs x Average Visits per SWs
My Investment: .30 x 15 x 1.5 = 6.75 investment
Of course, I didn't include who wasn't on the list...have no way to figure that out....but it would be interesting....
The Monger Hobby!
Can someone confirm what the cost of the Carlyle has be recently. I do not stop there often but when I did recently I found that 1 hour was 20. I always thought it had been 25 but have probably only been there 5 times.
[QUOTE=Runnow]Can someone confirm what the cost of the Carlyle has be recently. I do not stop there often but when I did recently I found that 1 hour was 20. I always thought it had been 25 but have probably only been there 5 times.[/QUOTE]I was just there last Friday. They have 4 prices: one hour is 20, 2 hours is 30, 12 hours is 55 and 24 hours is 70.
[QUOTE=Runnow]Can someone confirm what the cost of the Carlyle has be recently. I do not stop there often but when I did recently I found that 1 hour was 20. I always thought it had been 25 but have probably only been there 5 times.[/QUOTE]
Last time I was there about 3 months ago it was 20 for the hour.
Z
Thank You for the conformation guys. I must be confusing it with the old patio which I visited more often. 20 is a deal, I just do not like the area, though I think it is pretty safe.
[QUOTE=Abcpanther]That's closer to what I was thinking...but fell way short. Here's another thought.
Monger Investment: Average Spent x SWs x Average Visits per SWs
My Investment: .30 x 15 x 1.5 = 6.75 investment
Of course, I didn't include who wasn't on the list...have no way to figure that out....but it would be interesting....
The Monger Hobby![/QUOTE]
I only had time for the most rectent list ,my number was 5 and I had only seen one of them more than 2 times. I do have to pat myself on the back though I know CJ is probably the most prolific picture taker, I have contributed 20 pictures which really begs the question am I a monger or a photographer.
As far as investment in the Ave maybe 5.0 per year. Which leads to another question what would you guess the combined mongering revenue per year on the Ave would be? Even with a conservative estimate of maybe 100 like minded mongers it would hit 1/2 million. It is probably closer to 1 million spent on rooms and company. We know that 60-80% of that probably ends up being spent on narcotics but is probably not directly reinvested. So maybe 1/2 million being pumped into the local economy. I think that is a conservative estimate. I wonder were that money will go when the music stops on the Ave. My guess is some goes to organized crime (agencies) and a few independents who can operate covertly. Concentrating the wealth in fewer hands. I will stop there as I am starting to scare myself, but this would make a good investigative piece.
Greetings gents, K-Ave is hot at 6 AM and po-po action is light. Lots of sw around 7-11 (Ontario st). I had great bbbjwcim. Then she went to get some powder for me. While parked at russle st. I had four sw walk up.
Note: I was the the Whiz on the other board years ago and now back in action. I live 6 blocks from the ave and will have more reports in the future with more details.
AbcPanther and Runnow raise an interesting topic that I've thought about from time to time and more so recently as the economy has tanked in general. To Runnow's point about his "conservative" estimate I've got to believe that the amount spent by mongers on mongering-related activities (girls, rooms) is higher, possibly much higher than $1 million per year. The money we pump into the downtrodden K community not only helps fuel the local drug economy (not something to be happy or proud of certainly) but indirectly have to be making a major contribution to the survival of legiitimate area businesses. I don't live in or near K and wouldn't argue with residents' objection to our actvity as detrimental to their quality of life, but if LE were to shut prostitution activity down and keep it locked down I think the impact on the K economy at such a desperate time would be seriously negative in the short run. In the long run it might be a different story, but I'm just saying.....
[QUOTE=Mike 80]AbcPanther and Runnow raise an interesting topic that I've thought about from time to time and more so recently as the economy has tanked in general. To Runnow's point about his "conservative" estimate I've got to believe that the amount spent by mongers on mongering-related activities (girls, rooms) is higher, possibly much higher than $1 million per year. The money we pump into the downtrodden K community not only helps fuel the local drug economy (not something to be happy or proud of certainly) but indirectly have to be making a major contribution to the survival of legiitimate area businesses. I don't live in or near K and wouldn't argue with residents' objection to our actvity as detrimental to their quality of life, but if LE were to shut prostitution activity down and keep it locked down I think the impact on the K economy at such a desperate time would be seriously negative in the short run. In the long run it might be a different story, but I'm just saying.....[/QUOTE]I think you are right that an estimate of $1 million might be quite low. I did a quick calculation based on my observations: an average of 15 SWs on the Ave in a conservative 12 hour day at any one time (10 during the day, 20 in the evening and at night; don't forget: if you actually see 5 SWs, probably triple that number are already on dates; while SWs don't stroll all day, substitutes readily take their places; there are more than 125 SWs with pics in this thread and I would guesstimate, based on my experience, 3 times that many who either have not had pics taken or don't want them taken, so possibly well over 500 dates per day, even at one per day each). So multiply my simple conservative guesstimate of 15 dates per hour by a conservative $35 per date average, all-in (room, etc.) and you get 15x35x12 or about $6300 spent per day x 365 days= $2.3 million spent per year. And I think this number is conservatively low. This money is probably largely re-spent in the local economy for food, rent, and even drugs, but it has a multiplier effect. The money the SW spends is then spent by the vendor she patronizes and the vendors they patronize etc. on to infinity.
You are correct that if LE shut this down tight that there would be a dramatic and noticeable effect on the K economy, as if it weren't already suffering as a result of the state of the national economy.
[QUOTE=Mike 80]AbcPanther and Runnow raise an interesting topic that I've thought about from time to time and more so recently as the economy has tanked in general. To Runnow's point about his "conservative" estimate I've got to believe that the amount spent by mongers on mongering-related activities (girls, rooms) is higher, possibly much higher than $1 million per year. The money we pump into the downtrodden K community not only helps fuel the local drug economy (not something to be happy or proud of certainly) but indirectly have to be making a major contribution to the survival of legiitimate area businesses. I don't live in or near K and wouldn't argue with residents' objection to our actvity as detrimental to their quality of life, but if LE were to shut prostitution activity down and keep it locked down I think the impact on the K economy at such a desperate time would be seriously negative in the short run. In the long run it might be a different story, but I'm just saying.....[/QUOTE]
Just another thought. Routinly I check out what's happening here on this site, but I also check out craigs. I'm always curious about the cost of craigs talent versus what I find on the street. I don't know if anyone else checks it out, but I noticed a few things.
I live in the burbs and the talent in KOP is less than before, while I'm seeing more craigs ads in Philly and the airport area. As the economy is changing, do less people in the burbs support the local talent? If you follow the talent, it seems that there is more money being spent (or concentrated) in Philly and the airport.
Also, I'm seeing many girls that are *New*. They seem to be coming from California, but I'm not sure if I believe their story. Also, I'm find more new faces that seem "New". During this economy, are more woman subsidizing their income with this hobby? Or maybe they have been laid-off and taking notice of their skills to make up for the income.
Has anyone else noticed that the ads are more up front with cost? And that the cost for companionship seems to be dropping. They still advertize 1.5 to 2 for the hour, but more seem to post other rates (15min, 30 min, etc). I see many more 1.0 for the hh, which was surprising...lately, I also see *Special* rates of .8 for 15 minutes and saw one which was .75. The best I think was .8 for hh.
If you watch craigs, during this economy, I wonder if there is going to be a increase in talent? Also, will there be a decrease in price? The trends seem to be starting...what are your thoughts?
[QUOTE=Abcpanther]If you watch Craigs, during this economy, I wonder if there is going to be a increase in talent? Also, will there be a decrease in price? The trends seem to be starting...what are your thoughts?[/QUOTE]I read Craigs, not because I use it, but because I like to comparison shop. There used to be a lot more ads for "erotic services," but that is because the ads used to be free (now there is a charge), and all you had to provide was an email address. So a lot of pimps would advertise there and flood the board. Now you have to pay (which identifies you by the financial transaction), provide more information and establish a "membership" with a telephone number, so fewer are doing that, and are likely afraid (rightfully so) that they will be targeted by LE for a sting. LE stings of Craigs postings are going on all over the country and are prominently in the news.
However, there is definitely a trend underway for "civilians" to earn a little extra cash, either because they are having a hard time making ends meet working a regular job or are out of work. I have experienced at least 10 "occasional" and "new" SWs on the Ave and Torresdale who were in this circumstance. All of them were "day-timers" and afraid of the dangers on the Ave for them after dusk. Not one of them was agreeable to having pictures taken, for obvious reasons. I have also encountered a number of SWs who used to advertise in Craigs but had resorted to streetwalking (probably because of the changes in Craigs posting rules), even though being an independent was far more lucrative (by a factor of at least 3 to 5 times).
The prices on the Ave are "soft." What I mean by that is that one can negotiate 1 Jack for a BJ and and .5 for FS (and in some cases even .4) with almost anyone, even including pics and even if they have to ride with you 20 minutes to an indoor place. These prices have remained at this level for a very long time, so there is no inflation adjustment operating on the Ave, and the state of the economy, more plentiful SWs in supply and what we are willing to offer, all definitely have an effect on keeping prices low.
I only ran into one suburban provider who stood firm on her price: .5 for a car BJ. I explained to her that I could get that for a Jack from any number of good looking 20 somethings with excellent skills on the Ave (she was late 30s and chubby; not ugly but let's face it, not as appealing as 75% of the talent on the Ave). I tried to negotiate .3 and be a regular because she lives in the very next town and much more convenient than going to the K, but she said she gets .5 from others and that was her price. So there must be a bunch of suburban mongers in my area who either don't know about the K or are too lazy or afraid to try it or just don't care one way or the other. After all, demand sets the price as much as supply and there seems to be a demand for her services at that price. The same dynamic operates on the K: what we will pay and what they will accept is a balance of forces.
Craigs prices are also becoming a bit softer as a result of all of the above, but, for my money, the best bargains are still on the Ave. You might have the convenience of door to door service with an independent on Craigs, but you are paying up for it by at least double and usually triple, and now that convenience comes with the risk that you will be stung by Uncle LEO. Even if legit, these independents are often exactly the same type of girls who would be working the Ave. I just don't see the positive tradeoff. Rather than pay a service charge to have my "groceries" delivered, I will continue to go to the store and squeeze the "melons."
[QUOTE=Supereloquent]I just don't see the positive tradeoff. Rather than pay a service charge to have my "groceries" delivered, I will continue to go to the store and squeeze the "melons."[/QUOTE]Not to mention it is more exciting to pick and choose for yourself.