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[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5068049]Has it crossed your mind that your last statement may have something to do with the sad blue balls tale you set out?

Sounds to me like the Latina was impatiently waiting for you to make an offer. You didn't. I don't provide assistance just for a M&G, or to watch a girl eat, but I do make an offer. That is why they are meeting you - they need assistance.

As for the Asian, well, did you really think going into the meeting that a typical 19 yo UCSD student is going to be a perfect political match for a truck driving ex-military type? But who cares about her politics! I have nodded my head to many a statement I completely disagree with, so my other head could have fun with a string of hot liberal babes. Enough Benjamins, or once the clothes are off, and she probably won't care either.[/QUOTE]LOL I was goin say the same but held back just incase he's true to his cause!! On the other hand hells yes forget "POLITICS" when there's a juicy pussy in front! I'd probably sold my cause to get that asian chick in my bed LOL or the back seat of your big truck!!

Friends les not forget the "Objective" get these SA chicks panties drop!! Free or Paid (hope not that much!) or just stick to HX lmao!!

So do we get the link on that UCSD chick?

[QUOTE=Koolbeans;5069846]Not seeking pros, but guess I just find them. Maybe need to lower my standards, but rather not have to pay for average.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2155da96-52a8-4962-b8f0-26e42ccea226[/URL] Wants $500 stated everything and one and done. She doesn't host.[/QUOTE]Why do you have to lower your standards?

The SBs on SA are, on average, much more attractive to me than the clapped out old ****** on HX.

On HX:

- Many have been on the go for 15-20 years, same old faces, but now granny age (50+ some of them).

- Lots of baby bodies, lots of tattoos, and many loose bodies and pussies.

- Lots use fake or heavily photoshopped photos, especially the popular Asian clubs.

Another way you seem to have it backwards is that you obviously have a brainwashed John idea that she has a rate, and you can't / don't question that.

If you ask an SB for what she would accept, she is of course going to ask for a substantial number. You would too. But it is almost always just an opening bid. If you have any game at all, you should be able to get a discount. I commonly got 500 down to 250-300.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5069427]To each their own, but your approach reads to me more like picking up a SW than courting a SB. If you are negotiating $ w / a POT you've never met, that is pretty much where you are. As I said, to each their own, but if you want a peak experience (a girl who isn't selling it to anyone who calls / emails / texts, who is as beautiful as any model or actress you've seen, and is a TRUE GFE), you won't get it your way.[/QUOTE]+1. Spot on. The logic of OP is that of a John picking up a pro.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5070551]Why do you have to lower your standards?

The SBs on SA are, on average, much more attractive to me than the clapped out old ****** on HX.

On HX:

- Many have been on the go for 15-20 years, same old faces, but now granny age (50+ some of them).

- Lots of baby bodies, lots of tattoos, and many loose bodies and pussies.

- Lots use fake or heavily photoshopped photos, especially the popular Asian clubs.

Another way you seem to have it backwards is that you obviously have a brainwashed John idea that she has a rate, and you can't / don't question that.

If you ask an SB for what she would accept, she is of course going to ask for a substantial number. You would too. But it is almost always just an opening bid. If you have any game at all, you should be able to get a discount. I commonly got 500 down to 250-300.[/QUOTE]I don't utilize HX and mostly went to AMPs, international, or HK in TJ. I have 3 lined up to meet and see if I take it away from monetary discussion and actually see how relationship goes. One is going to workout at the gym and another for dinner. I will have to circle back to the Latina if she wants to do something fun and come back to the place for more drinks. It is an interesting website as I haven't had luck on POF or Tinder. Prefer meeting someone 25 or younger. The sad part is most I've chatted with lost their jobs due to these lockdowns and we are going into another lockdown. We will probably see more reasonable arrangements with holidays coming up. Invest in assets like real estate, precious metals, and crypto as they are about to print the shit out of our currency. I miss international arrangements where you pay $100-200 for a GFE overnight with hotties, but then San Diego is so expensive for these ladies. I sure will let you guys know how it goes as being direct and to the point got me some gps rates which signals a pro to me. 🤔

All of this time/effort and potential wallet draining makes me think I should just get a GT500.

[QUOTE=Koolbeans;5070566]I don't utilize HX and mostly went to AMPs, international, or HK in TJ. I have 3 lined up to meet and see if I take it away from monetary discussion and actually see how relationship goes. One is going to workout at the gym and another for dinner. I will have to circle back to the Latina if she wants to do something fun and come back to the place for more drinks. It is an interesting website as I haven't had luck on POF or Tinder. Prefer meeting someone 25 or younger. The sad part is most I've chatted with lost their jobs due to these lockdowns and we are going into another lockdown. We will probably see more reasonable arrangements with holidays coming up. Invest in assets like real estate, precious metals, and crypto as they are about to print the shit out of our currency. I miss international arrangements where you pay $100-200 for a GFE overnight with hotties, but then San Diego is so expensive for these ladies. I sure will let you guys know how it goes as being direct and to the point got me some gps rates which signals a pro to me.[/QUOTE]You can do what you want, obviously, but a cardinal rule of sugaring is never have them at your own place. This is a serious violation of your operational security, even if you are single, there's a lot of ways this could come back to bite you. There is a 'bible' of sugar, the archive of the Richmond VA sugar thread, you should read it.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5070758]You can do what you want, obviously, but a cardinal rule of sugaring is never have them at your own place. This is a serious violation of your operational security, even if you are single, there's a lot of ways this could come back to bite you. There is a 'bible' of sugar, the archive of the Richmond VA sugar thread, you should read it.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I know not to meet up at my place, but I'm still wondering if any of them will ever try and blackmail me in the future. I'm sure the risk is low, especially since I'm pretty much a nobody and not rich, but if they're crazy enough I'm sure they could figure out a way to get more money out of you.

Also I looked up that thread. IT's got like 19 k posts dating back to 2010. I looked around and there's some good stuff, but there's so much I don't know where to start.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5070758]You can do what you want, obviously, but a cardinal rule of sugaring is never have them at your own place. This is a serious violation of your operational security, even if you are single, there's a lot of ways this could come back to bite you. There is a 'bible' of sugar, the archive of the Richmond VA sugar thread, you should read it.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice, but I got a good gauge of the local girl / Latina in the area after the dinner / interrogation. I'm not one to be scared in life as I should have died many times over in the military and working as a contractor in war zones for 4 years. I have plenty of firepower if things were to go down, but we are in the socialist republic of CA after all so hugs for everyone. The only issue for me would be false legal charges as I do have assets to protect, but that is what good legal advisors are for.

I am looking for a relationship where I wine, dine, romance, and possibly do some travel / hobbies with them. Just coming out of an 18 yr. relationship, I’m looking for knock my socks off, leg quivering fun and excitement minus adding more kids to the world. I've got some international trips lined up next year (non monger) like Alaska and Caribbean I'd like to bring someone along. I've done this in Thailand bringing someone to Cambodia and was a success. The university women I've met seem to be psychology or sociology majors so maybe the sugar life is a research paper they have to complete for future project. Hope to find that special one or two to provide monetary support, but then if too much hassle, I'll just order a GT500 and stick with AMPs and international mongering trips to Thai, PI, Columbia, Dubai, etc. I need to meet a Romanian women if any of you have recommendations.

The Richmond VA sugar thread has some epic posts. It is very entertaining read. I'm glad we are not in a small market as it would be rough if you found family or friends online.

[QUOTE=Koolbeans;5071341]The Richmond VA sugar thread has some epic posts. It is very entertaining read. I'm glad we are not in a small market as it would be rough if you found family or friends online.[/QUOTE]The point is, that Richmond thread is the de facto national thread for sugaring, IDK why. Of course guys also post local stuff there, but it is the bible.

I was worried about people I know when I first joined sites, but really, the world is just very big, no matter where you are. I've never had a problem.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5072011]The point is, that Richmond thread is the de facto national thread for sugaring, IDK why. Of course guys also post local stuff there, but it is the bible.

I was worried about people I know when I first joined sites, but really, the world is just very big, no matter where you are. I've never had a problem.[/QUOTE]Yeah, SA is more exciting for the chase, but the delayed responses and completely disappearing from the site is strange, but maybe they found out sugar doesn't come free. False expectations from YT and news articles. I am sure some SD offer free money to spend time with younger women to watch them eat or conversation, but I could just go to a strip joint to get some young women to spend time grinding away on my lap. International travel screwed me with how good it is to be an American on foreign soil.

[QUOTE=Koolbeans;5071341]I'm glad we are not in a small market as it would be rough if you found family or friends online.[/QUOTE]But it is small enough. Over the years I noticed:

- A work colleague from down the corridor, on SA as a Daddy (one reason I don't have photos on SA)

- One of the hot Asian students, on SA as a SB (a second reason I don't have photos on SA!).

- I was going to date a Latina former porn star on SA until I realized I know her (and she knows me), from her regular job (a third reason for no photos).

- I ran into an Asian porn star SB I did date (Christy Love), on several social occasions.

- I have seen a former long-term Asian SB out and about.

So, I would say that the chance of running into someone you know on SA is actually quite high! If you read enough here and on other sites you will see stories of very brave daddies screwing SBs who are neighbors, or friends/schoolmates of their children, etc. Crazy risky!

p.s. This is also the reason I always insist on seeing an SB face photo before I show any of mine. No exceptions.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5072603]But it is small enough. Over the years I noticed:

- A work colleague from down the corridor, on SA as a Daddy (one reason I don't have photos on SA)

- One of the hot Asian students, on SA as a SB (a second reason I don't have photos on SA!).

- I was going to date a Latina former porn star on SA until I realized I know her (and she knows me), from her regular job (a third reason for no photos).

- I ran into an Asian porn star SB I did date, on several social occasions.

- I have seen a former long-term Asian SB out and about.

So, I would say that the chance of running into someone you know on SA is actually quite high! And if you read stories here and on other sites you will see stories of very brave daddies screwing SBs who are neighbors, at their son's school, etc. Crazy risky![/QUOTE]I have my photos on SA and not too worried as most of the people I work with are probably close to retirement age. I wish I had young people working at my job and most I have M&G with have been working college students trying to make ends meet. I still haven't found the long term GFE arrangement, but working on it. I just don't want to get anyone pregnant (who needs to pay more child support) or be falsely accused of anything on the legal front, so chemistry and being transparent hopefully works out. I know pros are one, done, and go about your day. Who knows the true ulterior motives of women that are trying to attract men with means with their honey pot. I miss the Hong Kong walk ups, Macau saunas, and hope to transfer to Singapore once my kids are a little older.

Koolbeans, Saw your posts about SB and your international experience. I was traveling to Asia every month 10+ years ago and I had lot of fun back then (China, HK, Japan). Economy crashed and international travel stopped. I missed that experience and started exploring SA about 8 yrs ago. Had some fun back then and tried to get back several times recent years but just too many Pros and GPS. I tried SA a year ago, and just too much time and money. Not worthy IMO.

I am hoping to be able to travel again. BTW, I have been going to HK several times a year in the last several yrs and 141 is awesome.

[QUOTE=Koolbeans;5072623]I have my photos on SA and not too worried as most of the people I work with are probably close to retirement age. I wish I had young people working at my job and most I have M&G with have been working college students trying to make ends meet. I still haven't found the long term GFE arrangement, but working on it. I just don't want to get anyone pregnant (who needs to pay more child support) or be falsely accused of anything on the legal front, so chemistry and being transparent hopefully works out. I know pros are one, done, and go about your day. Who knows the true ulterior motives of women that are trying to attract men with means with their honey pot. I miss the Hong Kong walk ups, Macau saunas, and hope to transfer to Singapore once my kids are a little older.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Koolbeans;5071257] I need to meet a Romanian women if any of you have recommendations.[/QUOTE][URL]www.ukrainedate.com[/URL]

[QUOTE=FingerLicking;5069897]Don't do it. These girls are online constantly, which means very few are paying that price.[/QUOTE]Totally agree.

[QUOTE=DogRice;5072951]Koolbeans, Saw your posts about SB and your international experience. I was traveling to Asia every month 10+ years ago and I had lot of fun back then (China, HK, Japan). Economy crashed and international travel stopped. I missed that experience and started exploring SA about 8 yrs ago. Had some fun back then and tried to get back several times recent years but just too many Pros and GPS. I tried SA a year ago, and just too much time and money. Not worthy IMO.

I am hoping to be able to travel again. BTW, I have been going to HK several times a year in the last several yrs and 141 is awesome.[/QUOTE]Yeah, hope you made the ferry to Macau saunas. I had some banging viet, indo, and Russian pros, but the best experiences were with the viet massage, HJ ladies. It has to rank up there with the hottest experiences as she took me to a private room for a HJ, then things progressed to kissing and her riding me bare cowgirl on the recliner. She kept telling me to stay quiet as it is supposed to be just a HJ and then proceeded to keep whispering in my ear how bad I was. She let me CIP so hope I don't have little ones around the world.

I never cared to keep numbers back then as didn't want any evidence. International trips really sour experiences in the USA I have a few dates lined up and will see how things go. The gym I went to tonight had some banging bodies, but it is hard to tell who is hooked up, but maybe I'll try to test it. When I was married my goal was to get as quickly in and out of arrangements as possible and now have to rewire myself to building rapport and dating which I haven't done in over 20 years. If I can find a couple blow my mind GFE arrangements that are consistent, then it can hold me over for the international trips. Really want to check out Medellin and Vietnam. Have fun bros and thanks for sharing your knowledge!

[QUOTE=AeroStartC;5072981][URL]www.ukrainedate.com[/URL][/QUOTE]Care to share personal experience? A buddy has a wife from Hungary. Don't think I will ever get married again, but I've been listening to Romanian music and watching cam girls that are my type and they seem abundant in Romania.

Went to Macau but my wild experience was in DG. No more now.

I do have SO, so have a lot of limitations when playing in the bowl. For you. Single, should be no problem getting some civi dates. I was back to AMP, and asian agencies for my fun before COVID hit. Now, I have been a "good boy" since March. Once got the vaccine, I am getting a 18 yo SB regardless to the $. LOL. Have fun and let us know.

[QUOTE=Koolbeans;5073008]Yeah, hope you made the ferry to Macau saunas. I had some banging viet, indo, and Russian pros, but the best experiences were with the viet massage, HJ ladies. It has to rank up there with the hottest experiences as she took me to a private room for a HJ, then things progressed to kissing and her riding me bare cowgirl on the recliner. She kept telling me to stay quiet as it is supposed to be just a HJ and then proceeded to keep whispering in my ear how bad I was. She let me CIP so hope I don't have little ones around the world.

I never cared to keep numbers back then as didn't want any evidence. International trips really sour experiences in the USA I have a few dates lined up and will see how things go. The gym I went to tonight had some banging bodies, but it is hard to tell who is hooked up, but maybe I'll try to test it. When I was married my goal was to get as quickly in and out of arrangements as possible and now have to rewire myself to building rapport and dating which I haven't done in over 20 years. If I can find a couple blow my mind GFE arrangements that are consistent, then it can hold me over for the international trips. Really want to check out Medellin and Vietnam. Have fun bros and thanks for sharing your knowledge![/QUOTE]

That past few days I've been connecting with pot that sound great then say they need cash app or gift card to meet. Here is an example of one.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/275a8cb5-22dd-4ae6-a6e8-e64c61ee0195[/URL]

[QUOTE=Koolbeans;5073010]Care to share personal experience? A buddy has a wife from Hungary. Don't think I will ever get married again, but I've been listening to Romanian music and watching cam girls that are my type and they seem abundant in Romania.[/QUOTE]The girls are constantly pinging you. I have not been there, but a good friend of mine has no problem having 3-5 dates lined up each time over there. He selects one, and she travels all over with him. I get messages all the time from girls just looking for a decent guy to have a great time with, and more.

All this talk of women 5-7,000 miles away.

In places no one can visit.

Personally, I prefer a woman located within a 15 min drive!

If you can't find someone you like among the 10,000+ local women on SA, then you have a problem.

This porn star is online on SA right now.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/668d7396-aefb-40ab-915b-52aa30eae624[/URL]

This porn star was on SA three hours ago
https://www.seeking.com/member/7f46a01a-209a-419a-8721-4c2276260841

This porn star was on SA within the week.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/668d7396-aefb-40ab-915b-52aa30eae624[/URL]

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5074634]This porn star is online on SA right now.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/668d7396-aefb-40ab-915b-52aa30eae624[/URL]

This porn star was on SA three hours ago
https://www.seeking.com/member/7f46a01a-209a-419a-8721-4c2276260841

This porn star was on SA within the week.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/668d7396-aefb-40ab-915b-52aa30eae624[/URL][/QUOTE]What have they quoted you? I wish Riley Reid was on the site. I met her at AVN and had both cheeks in my hands. I have a couple M&G scheduled and some asked $800 and most $500, while others ghost me once they know I'm new to the site. Most are very flaky and respond to texts hours or days later so not sure of meeting up as it feels like a scam. One was going to meet up but said she was out of town and wanted me to send money for her to model it on SC, but I opted out and then personality turned ugly. Sp much effort, but I did visit an AMP and she did a great job of draining junior. I will keep on plugging away and hope to find an ideal arrangement soon.

[QUOTE=Koolbeans;5074640]What have they quoted you? I wish Riley Reid was on the site. I met her at AVN and had both cheeks in my hands. I have a couple M&G scheduled and some asked $800 and most $500, while others ghost me once they know I'm new to the site. Most are very flaky and respond to texts hours or days later so not sure of meeting up as it feels like a scam. One was going to meet up but said she was out of town and wanted me to send money for her to model it on SC, but I opted out and then personality turned ugly. Sp much effort, but I did visit an AMP and she did a great job of draining junior. I will keep on plugging away and hope to find an ideal arrangement soon.[/QUOTE]You will find that what they will agree to is a function of how needy they are, how good your game is, and whether they fancy you.

I know numbers can vary by a factor of 5.

Why don't you give it a try, and report back?

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5074646]You will find that what they will agree to is a function of how needy they are, how good your game is, and whether they fancy you.

I know numbers can vary by a factor of 5.

Why don't you give it a try, and report back?[/QUOTE]Lots of motivational videos out there. Datz and Christy appeared together in several.

[URL]https://jp.spankbang.com/2i2qf/video/first[/URL]+time.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/857f3311-fd54-4008-9670-d1e3db09b80f[/URL]

Wants $600 half Hispanic and Italian, offered $$$ and ghosted. That pear booty 😜, going to stick to my guns.

https://www.seeking.com/member/97694983-2369-4215-9965-66117f36fb75

Wants $500 and can’t host.

FFFTracy favorited me and I started texting. She has an onlyfans and sells photos, acted like she was willing to meet up, but held firm on only exchanging money at meetup. Filipina in OC. The quarantine has really created opportunities for half decent looking girls to sell photos. Probably could rent out a whole club in PI for the gps these young Asian girls are asking.

Search continues.

While I still think that there are reasonable finds on SA, I have to admit that they are fewer and further between as the years pass. Cute college coeds are being steadily replaced by OnlyFans and platonic girls.

So, can anyone share any experiences or perspectives on these two possible alternative fishing sites:

SDC, a swingers site. Obviously more attractive for couples, [URL]www.sdc.com[/URL] and.

FetLife.

Any successes, failures?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5076001]While I still think that there are reasonable finds on SA, I have to admit that they are fewer and further between as the years pass. Cute college coeds are being steadily replaced by OnlyFans and platonic girls.[/QUOTE]Yeah been running into a lot of scammers and probably dudes in foreign countries sending professional photos. Most of the young women I've met have nose rings like cattle, not sure what that is all about, but I still haven't found the ideal arrangement. The pornstar Datz gave me a crazy story that had used to get $6,500 per month allowance but will give me a deal at $800 ppm. I guess that is her BF special for being so handsome 😧 I told her my ideal arrangement is $300 and we parted ways.

I'm considering going across the border as the women are more realistic about bedroom gymnastics, but they might have a worse issue with COVID than here in the states. At least the pros offer their services and have incalls. The funny thing is that the SA women will text you, but then will take their time to respond with M&G scheduling or totally ghost you. I guess it is all a part of the sugar game. Like they say no money no honey. I'm going to spend the money and get some tattoos. Hopefully you're having better luck on SA.

[QUOTE=Kalak;5039914]There are 2 things to add to this.

One:

If you are using an windows base Operating system. Every time you access a website that is using the right type of tracking set up it records you SID for your file system that is individualized per system.

Two:

?Website tacki8 ng soft ware can also save your MAC address which is embedded in all internet traffic per the TCP / IP suite standard. You can spoof you MAC address but it can get a bit tricky, and if you delve into the intricacies of TCP / IP it can be a rabbit hole.

Needless to say there are multiple bits of information that can be save about the system you are using to track a person.[/QUOTE]What about if one uses TOR browser and a VPN?

[QUOTE=Decadentme;5077799]What about if one uses TOR browser and a VPN?[/QUOTE]You wouldn't want to use both. Tor should be sufficient. It is effectively a super VPN. You can't, however, use that on SA right now. I have used EPIC in the past, which has one built-in VPN, but it does not work either.

Respect to the MAC address, that you can change. There are apps to do this. As others have stated, there are ways to 'fingerprint' a user based on stuff like browser window size, etc. So change that up too. Don't use the defaults on your machine.

Met up with this one earlier this week. She looks better in person then her pics and was straight forward in her approach. We started texting in the morning and set up a date for mid afternoon. She couldn't host and I didn't feel like shelling out the money for a room, so we did a car date. Nice thing about COVID is that there a plenty parking lots with limited traffic. Find a deserted corner and crawl in the back seat. Definitely got that girl next door look. She climbed on top and took the CIP.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/036036d0-8ca7-438d-82a0-c7a4bf2c3b09[/URL]

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5074629]All this talk of women 5-7,000 miles away.

In places no one can visit.

Personally, I prefer a woman located within a 15 min drive!

If you can't find someone you like among the 10,000+ local women on SA, then you have a problem.[/QUOTE]I agree. There are plenty of fish in this sea. I can easily find a new girl every week in San Diego. You just have to be willing to pay 3-4 is what I consider the sweet spot. Have a place to meet or be willing to get a room and meet soon. I have had better results with a quick trigger then to try to schedule s something later. To often they will second guess and flake. And as I have said before, you have to have a little game.

[QUOTE=PaytoPlay;5078114]Met up with this one earlier this week. She looks better in person then her pics and was straight forward in her approach. We started texting in the morning and set up a date for mid afternoon. She couldn't host and I didn't feel like shelling out the money for a room, so we did a car date. Nice thing about COVID is that there a plenty parking lots with limited traffic. Find a deserted corner and crawl in the back seat. Definitely got that girl next door look. She climbed on top and took the CIP.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/036036d0-8ca7-438d-82a0-c7a4bf2c3b09[/URL][/QUOTE]What allowance did you negotiate?

[QUOTE=PaytoPlay;5078114]Met up with this one earlier this week. She looks better in person then her pics and was straight forward in her approach. We started texting in the morning and set up a date for mid afternoon. She couldn't host and I didn't feel like shelling out the money for a room, so we did a car date. Nice thing about COVID is that there a plenty parking lots with limited traffic. Find a deserted corner and crawl in the back seat. Definitely got that girl next door look. She climbed on top and took the CIP.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/036036d0-8ca7-438d-82a0-c7a4bf2c3b09[/URL][/QUOTE]Must be a large car, with generous back seat. Blackout windows?

Always seemed risky to me!

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5078102]You wouldn't want to use both. Tor should be sufficient. It is effectively a super VPN. You can't, however, use that on SA right now. [/QUOTE]I am logged in on SA via TOR right now. They originally allowed TOR, then banned it around 2-3 years ago. At some point this year, they allowed it again.

While TOR was banned, I used the Opera browser, which has built-in free VPN, and / or ProtonVPN, which is also free.

Using these technologies, SA will not see your MAC.

[QUOTE=PaytoPlay;5078137]I agree. There are plenty of fish in this sea. I can easily find a new girl every week in San Diego. You just have to be willing to pay 3-4 is what I consider the sweet spot. Have a place to meet or be willing to get a room and meet soon. I have had better results with a quick trigger then to try to schedule s something later. To often they will second guess and flake. And as I have said before, you have to have a little game.[/QUOTE]Don't overpay. Most of the so called "sb's" / semi-pros / pros on SA will agree to 3-400, and with some effort and game on your part you can do better. There are lots of options, whether it's a true sb vs all the pros now on site is the difference. Was in contact with one recently, [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/889fbec8-e897-4712-986a-a7c4a1c070f0[/URL] asking for 500 ppm. Thats way more than my usual and she immediately comes down to 4. Without too much difficulty it now drops to 250 if I get a hotel near her or it goes up to 3 if she has to drive to my place. Getting a room is not my preference since I have no problems using my own place and still having success at 2-250 Ended up not closing the deal for now, may revisit in the future.

[QUOTE=Koolbeans;5077782]The pornstar Datz gave me a crazy story that had used to get $6,500 per month allowance but will give me a deal at $800 ppm. I guess that is her BF special for being so handsome 😧 I told her my ideal arrangement is $300 and we parted ways.
[/QUOTE]Sounds like Datz all right. That is her initial ask. But at least one gentlemen on here mentioned having her for less than your offer.

I'm in Sa on epic right now.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5078102]You wouldn't want to use both. Tor should be sufficient. It is effectively a super VPN. You can't, however, use that on SA right now. I have used EPIC in the past, which has one built-in VPN, but it does not work either.

Respect to the MAC address, that you can change. There are apps to do this. As others have stated, there are ways to 'fingerprint' a user based on stuff like browser window size, etc. So change that up too. Don't use the defaults on your machine.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Koolbeans;5077782]Yeah been running into a lot of scammers and probably dudes in foreign countries sending professional photos. Most of the young women I've met have nose rings like cattle, not sure what that is all about, but I still haven't found the ideal arrangement. The pornstar Datz gave me a crazy story that had used to get $6,500 per month allowance but will give me a deal at $800 ppm. I guess that is her BF special for being so handsome 😧 I told her my ideal arrangement is $300 and we parted ways.

I'm considering going across the border as the women are more realistic about bedroom gymnastics, but they might have a worse issue with COVID than here in the states. At least the pros offer their services and have incalls. The funny thing is that the SA women will text you, but then will take their time to respond with M&G scheduling or totally ghost you. I guess it is all a part of the sugar game. Like they say no money no honey. I'm going to spend the money and get some tattoos. Hopefully you're having better luck on SA.[/QUOTE]

I agree. It took me a while to get used to the fact that they'll reply whenever they feel like. It is just a part of the game & we'll just have to hit it at the right time. It has happened so many times that when I was free, they weren't interested. Then situation changed, I was caught up with work and other stuff, then out of nowhere, they want to meet up & I wasn't available.

Interestingly, I see they tend to be more eager to meet up & have fun at the end of the month, when rents are due.

IDK what magic you guys have. Perhaps it is that I am on a Mac. I can get Tor to work, but it is very slow. For Epic, I still have the experience that the log in appears to succeed, but the darn thing just sits there and grinds and grinds, never opening the home page.