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[QUOTE=Aint1;2970472]She has been around a long time and has always been independent. Her reviews are off the charts fabulous and no mention in any of them about ever having management. I'm just no sure.[/QUOTE]Only one provider comes to mind in by your description. Reads this forum, been around for a long time and nothing but stellar reviews. No mention of management. Hmmmm. Could it be?

But how much do any of us really know about any provider? Women lie. Men lie. Hookers don't lie, they preform. I know who would give an Oscar to.

[QUOTE=Aint1;2969585]I was trying to get in touch with my ATF via e-mail this week and wasn't getting a response (I don't want to say who incase she is reading this and I may be wrong). Anyway, she always comes to see me on an outcall and always alone, but she never responded back until recently. When she did finally respond, she said she was at the xxxxxx hotel downtown. I asked her if we could meet up and she said her car broke down on 95 and she is stuck at the hotel but if I can come see her by checkout tomorrow am we can meet up. I don't visit people at hotels and asked her to come to me and she said he can have a friend bring her. (I am thinking hmmmm). So I thought about it and the next morning I said I will come see her but can't get there until afternoon. I got no response. I e-mailed her through her BP add yesterday and immediately I get a response from an old e-mail I sent her a while ago and the e-mail address that sent it is different. Also, she types her name in her e-mails (like a signature) at the end and the name in the last e-mail was misspelled. Who misspells their own name? LOL. I think she may've been busted and it could've been a set up. This person has been around a very long time and she has nothing but stellar reviews and I think she may've been busted. What do you guys think? I will consider letting you know via PM if you want to.[/QUOTE]Listen, if my spidey senses are in hyper alert mode I tend to lean on the side of conservatism and exercise caution. That said, I have flat assed read the situation wrong sometimes and it has cost me what could have been a quality dream. Many mongers have an aversion to going to residences, hotels and extended stays. Several prefer car dates, visits to their own hotel rooms, and their residences. These preferences all stem from personal experiences and circumstances both good and bad. I am one monger that has no problem going to a hotel room or extended stay to visit an old friend. Car or home visits are not an option with me. It has been said many times on this forum; be cognizant of what you say in phone conversation and text messages with providers. Mention of money or requested services is never ever a good idea. I don't care how familiar you are with a specific individual. To be sure, it happens all the time, and occasionally a monger will get bit on the ass for it. There is no crime in asking a girl to hang out with you for a while; no problem asking them out on date; no problem asking for a little companionship. When one starts saying I will give you this for this, then it becomes problematic. Giving donations up front is also problematic for a plethora of reasons; got to go with your gut on that one. Provider's situations change on a daily basis; this in terms of location, services provided, requested donation, specific needs, and yes whether they work with someone or work alone. There is never going to be a LE issue posed by you asking a friend if it is ok if they are not too busy for you to come hang out with them for a while. Once you arrive on location you should be able to get a better read of the situation. If uncomfortable, bail. If not, your dreams may become reality.

[QUOTE=CantB1;2971265]Only one provider comes to mind in by your description. Reads this forum, been around for a long time and nothing but stellar reviews. No mention of management. Hmmmm. Could it be?

But how much do any of us really know about any provider? Women lie. Men lie. Hookers don't lie, they preform. I know who would give an Oscar to.[/QUOTE]We talked for about her 20 min (or actually she did, LOL). She literally kept rambling on and on about everything and nothing at the same time. Been around a long time and thought I heard everything, LOL Nope. She claims her car is still in the shop and we can get together later in the week because her legs are all marked up from doing backflips at the hotel pool. LOL. Not kidding, that's what she told me. Said it will be later in the week and we can get together. Also stated her trusted friend that will bring her is an uber driver and she will make up a reason for her to driver her to come see me. Who knows.

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[QUOTE=Milkma;2971899]Touch on another of you guys bread and butter. Yeah how dare I. There where a few messages before that's said "Can you do. 50?" She replied long wind with what does her ad say and how she is disgusted that I would come at her longer that. In turn I say sorry I got the full request and I'm on the area what's up. She claim she was going out of her way to make this happen. But I had to go to work. She could have save us both time without the long text and maybe could made it happen, thought for a sec is this BearB been so long winded over simple stuff. Just want to share, oh and I've seen this individual a hand full times with discounted rates, think because I changed numbers she thought I was someone who hasn't seen her. But yeah who really cares. Fellows, You know what to do, let the finger waging and brow beating began. Bring the noise![/QUOTE]I got just about the same thing from her 2 weeks ago. I actually made an appointment then she went comms dark. Waited a few days and tried again and no response until I told her it was effed up and she went on a rant telling me how she didn't need my $ and had so many pl that wafted to see her. Funny part is I used to treat her with upmost respect. She is now on my do not call list.

[QUOTE=BearB;2971367]Listen, if my spidey senses are in hyper alert mode I tend to lean on the side of conservatism and exercise caution. That said, I have flat assed read the situation wrong sometimes and it has cost me what could have been a quality dream. Many mongers have an aversion to going to residences, hotels and extended stays. Several prefer car dates, visits to their own hotel rooms, and their residences. These preferences all stem from personal experiences and circumstances both good and bad. I am one monger that has no problem going to a hotel room or extended stay to visit an old friend. Car or home visits are not an option with me. It has been said many times on this forum; be cognizant of what you say in phone conversation and text messages with providers. Mention of money or requested services is never ever a good idea. I don't care how familiar you are with a specific individual. To be sure, it happens all the time, and occasionally a monger will get bit on the ass for it. There is no crime in asking a girl to hang out with you for a while; no problem asking them out on date; no problem asking for a little companionship. When one starts saying I will give you this for this, then it becomes problematic. Giving donations up front is also problematic for a plethora of reasons; got to go with your gut on that one. Provider's situations change on a daily basis; this in terms of location, services provided, requested donation, specific needs, and yes whether they work with someone or work alone. There is never going to be a LE issue posed by you asking a friend if it is ok if they are not too busy for you to come hang out with them for a while. Once you arrive on location you should be able to get a better read of the situation. If uncomfortable, bail. If not, your dreams may become reality.[/QUOTE]Does anyone know if there is a statute of limitations on any of this? Such as phone records, actual time together, etc? My personal opinion is that cops don't give a shit unless there are drugs involved or they are doing a crackdown to save political face. With the heroin epidemic and murder rate they probably have much bigger fish to fry.

[QUOTE=Milkma;2971899]Touch on another of you guys bread and butter. Yeah how dare I. There where a few messages before that's said "Can you do. 50?" She replied long wind with what does her ad say and how she is disgusted that I would come at her longer that. In turn I say sorry I got the full request and I'm on the area what's up. She claim she was going out of her way to make this happen. But I had to go to work. She could have save us both time without the long text and maybe could made it happen, thought for a sec is this BearB been so long winded over simple stuff. Just want to share, oh and I've seen this individual a hand full times with discounted rates, think because I changed numbers she thought I was someone who hasn't seen her. But yeah who really cares. Fellows, You know what to do, let the finger waging and brow beating began. Bring the noise![/QUOTE]If you can get what you want at a discount and it makes you feel good, more power to you. But if I were a Provider I wouldn't want you wasting my time with your bullshit.

[QUOTE=KittyLikker;2972156]If you can get what you want at a discount and it makes you feel good, more power to you. But if I were a Provider I wouldn't want you wasting my time with your bullshit.[/QUOTE]Why it got to be bullshit? Its the ArtOfAGoodTip if you catch my drift. Wheeling dealing is what its all about. Right? I can only wish you where a provider then and only then you know what it bullshit all about.

Apparently after someone offers up $$ . 50 and you turn it down you can talk to who ever how ever you see fit.

[QUOTE=Milkma;2972277]Apparently after someone offers up $$ . 50 and you turn it down you can talk to who ever how ever you see fit.[/QUOTE]So let me get this straight. A provider (most of us know) posts her ad that includes rates.

You decide to negotiate off those posted rates.

She refuses your counter.

She's upset.

You're upset (otherwise why would you be posting her text messages), and you want to show us how unreasonable she is for not accepting your counteroffer?

Did I get that right?

J4 me.

[QUOTE=Milkma;2972277]Apparently after someone offers up $$ . 50 and you turn it down you can talk to who ever how ever you see fit.[/QUOTE]So you decide to play games with Rikki? I guess you have nothing better to do. You went all the way to San Marco Nikki house with your antics. I see no point you have to make in any of your post. I guess we are all on this site for different reasons. Your is to show how much drama you can cause. How about showing us all the BP providers you have gotten to partake in your 40 to 50 offers.

[QUOTE=Milkma;2972277]Apparently after someone offers up $$ . 50 and you turn it down you can talk to who ever how ever you see fit.[/QUOTE]With you on this. For most guys replacing a provider is like pulling your finger out of a glass of water, that's how quickly the void can be filled. It's a buyers, not a sellers market. If I was actually on the hunt, I would be the first to say no girl should get the same hourly rate as a corporate attorney. At least with the attorney, you will know exactly what you get for the fucking. Typically, if you are nice and polite while asking if they are offering "specials", the provider will be polite as well and very willingly offer discounts. If they aren't, who the fuck would want to be with a them and their attitude anyways? Either they are willing to negotiate or they aren't, it as simple as that. I can guarantee you they aren't getting their full asking price every time. On top of that, some of the guys bitching about negotiating with a provider will be the same ones bitching about how prices have skyrocketed down the road.

So, more power to you and stay safe! Just be polite and treat them with respect. Treat them as you yourself would want to be treated.

[QUOTE=RedTalon;2972349]With you on this. For most guys replacing a provider is like pulling your finger out of a glass of water, that's how quickly the void can be filled. It's a buyers, not a sellers market. If I was actually on the hunt, I would be the first to say no girl should get the same hourly rate as a corporate attorney. At least with the attorney, you will know exactly what you get for the fucking. Typically, if you are nice and polite while asking if they are offering "specials", the provider will be polite as well and very willingly offer discounts. If they aren't, who the fuck would want to be with a them and their attitude anyways? Either they are willing to negotiate or they aren't, it as simple as that. I can guarantee you they aren't getting their full asking price every time. On top of that, some of the guys bitching about negotiating with a provider will be the same ones bitching about how prices have skyrocketed down the road.

So, more power to you and stay safe! Just be polite and treat them with respect. Treat them as you yourself would want to be treated.[/QUOTE]I'm with you RT on this, some quoted prices are crazy to me.

I don't think anybody has said the first word criticizing anyone for negotiating, that is not the issue here for me. It's that respect part that you mention (and I agree with) that is the issue. When I call a gal with high or unpublished rates, I offer what I am willing to donate and try to work out something we can agree upon. If we can't come to an agreement, I say thanks and goodbye and I dial the next number. The end.

No degrading or guilt tripping the provider, no trying to convince her that she is missing out or worth less than she is asking, and certainly no coming on here and whining about it and trying to smear her. Those are the things I was responding to.

[QUOTE=JaxForMe;2972302]So let me get this straight. A provider (most of us know) posts her ad that includes rates.

You decide to negotiate off those posted rates.

She refuses your counter.

She's upset.

You're upset (otherwise why would you be posting her text messages), and you want to show us how unreasonable she is for not accepting your counteroffer?

Did I get that right?

J4 me.[/QUOTE]Umm well, not quite. See I never got upset. And yes I did try to make it right, but she flew of the handle, if you could have seen the previous post before I had to clean it all up then you would have seen my responses to her brow beating me. I actually want to put on display for entertainment purposes. The first post was so much better and entertaining this watered down one. Plus theres also some context in there that I was hoping some who was Pro Monger would read and point out so that it wouldn't just be coming from me to making me seem bias.

[QUOTE=RedTalon;2972349]With you on this. For most guys replacing a provider is like pulling your finger out of a glass of water, that's how quickly the void can be filled. It's a buyers, not a sellers market. If I was actually on the hunt, I would be the first to say no girl should get the same hourly rate as a corporate attorney. At least with the attorney, you will know exactly what you get for the fucking. Typically, if you are nice and polite while asking if they are offering "specials", the provider will be polite as well and very willingly offer discounts. If they aren't, who the fuck would want to be with a them and their attitude anyways? Either they are willing to negotiate or they aren't, it as simple as that. I can guarantee you they aren't getting their full asking price every time. On top of that, some of the guys bitching about negotiating with a provider will be the same ones bitching about how prices have skyrocketed down the road.

So, more power to you and stay safe! Just be polite and treat them with respect. Treat them as you yourself would want to be treated.[/QUOTE]I am always polite and quite apologetic at times that need be, I only come off like a dick in the woodshed. I show respect to provider even when its not return cause I figure they are having a hard enough time as it is and don't need another swing dick calling and texting been rude and nasty, cause that just cause them to be that way with next person that calls.

[QUOTE=Milkma;2972392]Umm well, not quite. See I never got upset. And yes I did try to make it right, but she flew of the handle, if you could have seen the previous post before I had to clean it all up then you would have seen my responses to her brow beating me. I actually want to put on display for entertainment purposes. The first post was so much better and entertaining this watered down one. Plus theres also some context in there that I was hoping some who was Pro Monger would read and point out so that it wouldn't just be coming from me to making me seem bias.[/QUOTE]Her most recent BP post:

[URL]http://jacksonville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/available-now-blanding-incall-hour-special-150-g-f-e/9614652[/URL]

Rates are included. And a pesky stipulation of "Non Negotiable". Assuming that you responded to the BP Ad.

You: Good morning. Are you available?

Her: Good morning. Yes.

You: Are your rates negotiable?

Her: No.

You: Thanks. Have a great day.

And you move on to the next gal.

If she responds with "yes" (I'm willing to negotiate). Then you do so respectfully, knowing that if you really "low ball" her. You do so at the risk of being placed on her exclusionary list. If you don't care about that then go ahead and blow yourself up.

Everyone has their own approach.

For what its worth. When I meet a provider for the first time, I usually go for a QV or 30 minutes. I generally pay close to full asking price. If the encounter goes well (we click), she realizes that I'm cool, clean, and sociable. Then I tend to negotiate price, differentiated service, length of encounter. It has worked for me more often than not. Because providers aren't indifferent when it comes to their clients. All things being equal, they would prefer to suck a dick from someone who isn't a dick.

My 2 cents.

J4 me.

[QUOTE=Aint1;2971896]We talked for about her 20 min (or actually she did, LOL). She literally kept rambling on and on about everything and nothing at the same time. Been around a long time and thought I heard everything, LOL Nope. She claims her car is still in the shop and we can get together later in the week because her legs are all marked up from doing backflips at the hotel pool. LOL. Not kidding, that's what she told me. Said it will be later in the week and we can get together. Also stated her trusted friend that will bring her is an uber driver and she will make up a reason for her to driver her to come see me. Who knows.[/QUOTE]Hmmm. So she likes going to the hotel pool too? I have pics of thehe provider I have in mind at the hotel pool last summer. I'm still curios if it's the same girl. Could it be? LOL.

[QUOTE=JaxForMe;2972471]Her most recent BP post:

[URL]http://jacksonville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/available-now-blanding-incall-hour-special-150-g-f-e/9614652[/URL]

Rates are included. And a pesky stipulation of "Non Negotiable". Assuming that you responded to the BP Ad.

You: Good morning. Are you available?

Her: Good morning. Yes.

You: Are your rates negotiable?

Her: No.

You: Thanks. Have a great day.

And you move on to the next gal.

If she responds with "yes" (I'm willing to negotiate). Then you do so respectfully, knowing that if you really "low ball" her. You do so at the risk of being placed on her exclusionary list. If you don't care about that then go ahead and blow yourself up.

Everyone has their own approach.

For what its worth. When I meet a provider for the first time, I usually go for a QV or 30 minutes. I generally pay close to full asking price. If the encounter goes well (we click), she realizes that I'm cool, clean, and sociable. Then I tend to negotiate price, differentiated service, length of encounter. It has worked for me more often than not. Because providers aren't indifferent when it comes to their clients. All things being equal, they would prefer to suck a dick from someone who isn't a dick.

My 2 cents.

J4 me.[/QUOTE]I would speculate that most (I say most) who post ads don't give 2 shits about who they see as long as they get paid. You will never convince me that they are "picky" about who they are fucking for money. Especially some of the ogres from this site!

[QUOTE=RedTalon;2972045]Does anyone know if there is a statute of limitations on any of this? Such as phone records, actual time together, etc? My personal opinion is that cops don't give a shit unless there are drugs involved or they are doing a crackdown to save political face. With the heroin epidemic and murder rate they probably have much bigger fish to fry.[/QUOTE]Of offering money for sex, I would say there is no such thing. That's just my opinion.

[QUOTE=KittyLikker;2972156]If you can get what you want at a discount and it makes you feel good, more power to you. But if I were a Provider I wouldn't want you wasting my time with your bullshit.[/QUOTE]Have to agree here. This hobby isn't going to the dealership and buying a car. These girls don't need to be nice when you try and lowball them. The aforementioned provider is one of the better quality ones in jax and if you scan backpage has some of the best rates around too. She is possibly currently the best oral provider in Jax since the retirement of one in particular.

If you haggle and argue at the dealership when 2 other customers come in and take their business to the other salespeople due to you trying to get $10 off then of course they are going to be pissed. They made nothing in the time you took trying to get a deal, and also lost out on money with guys who were waiting.

These girls like Rikki who are a known and popular will ignore guys who lowball. You make it more hassle that it's worth when another guy is ready to pay full price. And they know down the road you will just continue to offer less and it will be more work for them.

If you want to haggle go to the flea market and if. 6 is too much, then go to hooterville.

I've seen several providers for less than the posted rates but I never Haggle either. I just have my ways that work for me.

[QUOTE=RedTalon;2972045]Does anyone know if there is a statute of limitations on any of this? Such as phone records, actual time together, etc? My personal opinion is that cops don't give a shit unless there are drugs involved or they are doing a crackdown to save political face. With the heroin epidemic and murder rate they probably have much bigger fish to fry.[/QUOTE]FLorida has a 1 year statue of limitations on 2nd degree non violent crimes if I'm not mistaken but even if they were to use recordings and text they would have to prove you committed the act. But like you said they have bigger fish to fry and it's not worth it trying to go after a solicitation charge unless your messing with minors then shit gets ugly.

Saw your earlier post pertaining to Rikki before it was removed. Sorry, brevity has never been one of my strong suits, but I am working on it. Another of my many misgivings is difficulty when it comes to the art of negotiations. A difference of $10 for me in cases such as you describe will never make the difference between my being happy versus frustrated. That is just me. I do want to be very clear about one thing though. I will never have a discussion with a prospective dream girl about money for services. A phone record of negotiation of price for services with a provider could potentially result in both the provider and the monger being charged with solicitation. A2 has done you a favor. It is embarrassing, could cost an individual his job, and if one is married or in a relationship, just fuck that all away. I've seen it happen far too often. And some of my closest friends continue to do it regardless of the problems that can occur. It sucks that you are having difficulties with Rikki. Am guessing you have glanced my review of her. I have not had any problems with her at all. She makes me happy; is a true GFE. Her requested contribution for entertainment, for me, is reasonable. I prefer to schedule visits for an hour. Sometimes constrained by other obligations I have to limit my visits to 30 minutes. Believe me if I could accomplish in 15 minutes what some of the younger mongers can, I would die a much happier man; and probably wealthier. Well maybe not.

"I can do this all day" -Steve Rogers Why are we (meaning yall, peeps with 100 + post) so hard on everyone else experience. You would have thought I made the poor girl carry her own cross two miles in the heat the nailed her to it with a crown of thorns and for good measure stuck her in the side with a spear. It was only. 10 difference. Now what I thought some one would have pull from her messages was that she claim she already had two others texting her asking her for her time, so why would she go out of her way of getting a sure thing vs something she already knew didn't have time for. I text my ideal spending like to do with all others and it either no response which I don't hound and make them respond or a simple no not today, and I move on. Now what got me confuse is why are you guy getting so bent out of shape about how I choose to operate. Thought we were all on the same team. Providing intel on the providers to make things easier on us. Thought this was our board, not theirs. I say this much and leave it at that. I had this chick the other day who had a room, but since I only offered. 40 she said it had to be a car date, alright cool. So pick her up at her notel and before I pull off I ask her "you play by you rules right?" she said yes, and in return I told her I play by mine. Not I didn't take how she operates from her and made do as I wanted, she laid out her rules and I laid out mine. Couldn't meet on common terms so I told her I catch her later. No harm no foul. I get the whole good provider don't make it hard on them and people like you make it harder for dudes like us thing, but did you ever stop and consider the amount of guys that contact them that are not on this board which I'm sure is more of them then there is us cause honestly all we see on this board is repeat poster with the same old intel on the same old providers. So I ask ProMonger or ProProvider as far as this board goes. Besides they don't give two shits about you / us til you waving that almighty dollar around. Lickwood means 'fast forward" gunship means "rewind".

To me, the hobby is about adventures with my dick. I've done enough dickering over real money to last three lifetimes, the last thing I'm interested in is beating down a gal who is about to get busy with me for the sake of saving a Hamilton or Jackson or two. I don't need the practice & they do need the money & for the experiences I'm provided, it is money well spent. Have I ever given more than I "should" have? I'm sure some would think so. In a few cases, I would even agree. But I don't like talking about money, period, & that goes double with providers I have not met before.

I freely admit, I'm not out there in front, mining gold, taking one for the team, or searching for unicorns the way some of you guys are. I do my homework & find out what I need to know about a provider's financial requirements before I ever contact her. When we do meet, I am my lovable, cuddly self, so consequently I develop repeat relationships & when I do get time to play, I get my fucking ashes hauled.

That, for me, is the whole point of this. The only point.

[QUOTE=TallBear;2973133]To me, the hobby is about adventures with my dick. I've done enough dickering over real money to last three lifetimes, the last thing I'm interested in is beating down a gal who is about to get busy with me for the sake of saving a Hamilton or Jackson or two. I don't need the practice & they do need the money & for the experiences I'm provided, it is money well spent. Have I ever given more than I "should" have? I'm sure some would think so. In a few cases, I would even agree. But I don't like talking about money, period, & that goes double with providers I have not met before.

I freely admit, I'm not out there in front, mining gold, taking one for the team, or searching for unicorns the way some of you guys are. I do my homework & find out what I need to know about a provider's financial requirements before I ever contact her. When we do meet, I am my lovable, cuddly self, so consequently I develop repeat relationships & when I do get time to play, I get my fucking ashes hauled.

That, for me, is the whole point of this. The only point.[/QUOTE]I like your style!

Hey TBear, what's that saying "You can catch more flies with? LOL.

[QUOTE=BlueDevil90;2972756]FLorida has a 1 year statue of limitations on 2nd degree non violent crimes if I'm not mistaken but even if they were to use recordings and text they would have to prove you committed the act. But like you said they have bigger fish to fry and it's not worth it trying to go after a solicitation charge unless your messing with minors then shit gets ugly.[/QUOTE]I think this forum might not be the best place to seek answers to questions on legal issues; one is likely to get as many different answers as there are mongers on the site, and most of the answers are likely to be flat assed wrong. There is a legal term in Florida law called "intent. " This innocuous harmless little word has resulted in a lot of brothers ending up in jail simply because their actions suggested an intent to commit a transgression without actually following through with the deed itself. In some cases a good legal defense can get charges dismissed on some of the bullshit, but at what cost. Can the term "intent" be applied to warrant solicitation charges? I am not sure. One thing I am sure of is with the rapidly changing tech world, interpretation of the law and how it applied is also changing.

[QUOTE=Milkma;2972991]"I can do this all day" -Steve Rogers Why are we (meaning yall, peeps with 100 + post) so hard on everyone else experience. You would have thought I made the poor girl carry her own cross two miles in the heat the nailed her to it with a crown of thorns and for good measure stuck her in the side with a spear. It was only. 10 difference. Now what I thought some one would have pull from her messages was that she claim she already had two others texting her asking her for her time, so why would she go out of her way of getting a sure thing vs something she already knew didn't have time for. I text my ideal spending like to do with all others and it either no response which I don't hound and make them respond or a simple no not today, and I move on. Now what got me confuse is why are you guy getting so bent out of shape about how I choose to operate. Thought we were all on the same team. Providing intel on the providers to make things easier on us. Thought this was our board, not theirs. I say this much and leave it at that. I had this chick the other day who had a room, but since I only offered. 40 she said it had to be a car date, alright cool. So pick her up at her notel and before I pull off I ask her "you play by you rules right?" she said yes, and in return I told her I play by mine. Not I didn't take how she operates from her and made do as I wanted, she laid out her rules and I laid out mine. Couldn't meet on common terms so I told her I catch her later. No harm no foul. I get the whole good provider don't make it hard on them and people like you make it harder for dudes like us thing, but did you ever stop and consider the amount of guys that contact them that are not on this board which I'm sure is more of them then there is us cause honestly all we see on this board is repeat poster with the same old intel on the same old providers. So I ask ProMonger or ProProvider as far as this board goes. Besides they don't give two shits about you / us til you waving that almighty dollar around. Lickwood means 'fast forward" gunship means "rewind".[/QUOTE]Hey, I am not a senior member with 100's of posts under my belt, but I will take a stab at answering the question for you. You see, sometimes younger mongers demonstrate through their actions and rambling diatribe such a level of immaturity and inexperience in the hobby, the seniors reach out to the younger monger in hopes of helping him from doing something stupid and stepping on his dick so hard that he ends up in trouble. Is that succinct enough for you?

[QUOTE=CantB1;2972544]Hmmm. So she likes going to the hotel pool too? I have pics of thehe provider I have in mind at the hotel pool last summer. I'm still curios if it's the same girl. Could it be? LOL.[/QUOTE]With your guess and I will let you know if you are correct.

[QUOTE=CantB1;2972544]Hmmm. So she likes going to the hotel pool too? I have pics of thehe provider I have in mind at the hotel pool last summer. I'm still curios if it's the same girl. Could it be? LOL.[/QUOTE]And I will let you know if you are correct.

[QUOTE=RedTalon;2972349]With you on this. For most guys replacing a provider is like pulling your finger out of a glass of water, that's how quickly the void can be filled. It's a buyers, not a sellers market. If I was actually on the hunt, I would be the first to say no girl should get the same hourly rate as a corporate attorney. At least with the attorney, you will know exactly what you get for the fucking. Typically, if you are nice and polite while asking if they are offering "specials", the provider will be polite as well and very willingly offer discounts. If they aren't, who the fuck would want to be with a them and their attitude anyways? Either they are willing to negotiate or they aren't, it as simple as that. I can guarantee you they aren't getting their full asking price every time. On top of that, some of the guys bitching about negotiating with a provider will be the same ones bitching about how prices have skyrocketed down the road.

So, more power to you and stay safe! Just be polite and treat them with respect. Treat them as you yourself would want to be treated.[/QUOTE]With the exception of agreeing totally with your comment about the importance of being polite and respectful in ones relationships with providers, I could not disagree more with everything else in your post. Not all providers are the same; not even close. Finding the perfect piece of ass is a lifelong pursuit. There is a lot of hit / miss in this hobby, and when a monger finds something close to his individual concept of perfection, last thing he wants to do is fuck it away over some senseless $10.00 negotiation strategy. If an individual really believes once he has had one piece of ass he has had them all, my suggestion would be that person start saving his hard earned money and start jerking off on a more regular basis. And please, if you know the name of an attorney that works as hard in an hour or gives up more to bring a client satisfaction as some (not all) of our providers do, PM me a name. I may very well need one in the future.

[QUOTE=TallBear;2973133]To me, the hobby is about adventures with my dick. I've done enough dickering over real money to last three lifetimes, the last thing I'm interested in is beating down a gal who is about to get busy with me for the sake of saving a Hamilton or Jackson or two. I don't need the practice & they do need the money & for the experiences I'm provided, it is money well spent. Have I ever given more than I "should" have? I'm sure some would think so. In a few cases, I would even agree. But I don't like talking about money, period, & that goes double with providers I have not met before.

I freely admit, I'm not out there in front, mining gold, taking one for the team, or searching for unicorns the way some of you guys are. I do my homework & find out what I need to know about a provider's financial requirements before I ever contact her. When we do meet, I am my lovable, cuddly self, so consequently I develop repeat relationships & when I do get time to play, I get my fucking ashes hauled.

That, for me, is the whole point of this. The only point.[/QUOTE]Nice to know there is another monger out there that approaches this hobby the way I do; safe, and at the end of the day happy.

[QUOTE=CantB1;2972544]Hmmm. So she likes going to the hotel pool too? I have pics of thehe provider I have in mind at the hotel pool last summer. I'm still curios if it's the same girl. Could it be? LOL.[/QUOTE]And I will let you know if your guess is right.

[QUOTE=BearB;2973346]With the exception of agreeing totally with your comment about the importance of being polite and respectful in ones relationships with providers, I could not disagree more with everything else in your post. Not all providers are the same; not even close. Finding the perfect piece of ass is a lifelong pursuit. There is a lot of hit / miss in this hobby, and when a monger finds something close to his individual concept of perfection, last thing he wants to do is fuck it away over some senseless $10.00 negotiation strategy. If an individual really believes once he has had one piece of ass he has had them all, my suggestion would be that person start saving his hard earned money and start jerking off on a more regular basis. And please, if you know the name of an attorney that works as hard in an hour or gives up more to bring a client satisfaction as some (not all) of our providers do, PM me a name. I may very well need one in the future.[/QUOTE]There are all types of mongers, just as there are all types of providers. Some are good, some bad. As such there are likely providers for any type of monger out there.

I'd wager there is even a subset of both providers and mongers, in which rapport means very little if nothing. Perhaps the candy starved street urchins you find wandering streets at night. Some of them could care less about rapport, or cleanliness, or civility. They are looking for candy money, as quickly, efficiently, and as risky as it comes.

That subset, is not the one that I spend most of my time, although I confess I'm prone to an impulsive purchase from time to time.

I try to spend most of time sourcing providers that care about cleanliness, safety, and civility. For those providers, rapport does matter. And with rapport, comes preferred treatment. Those providers generally seek return customers, because return customers are less risky and cheaper than sourcing new clients (yep, providers can be rationale. And selective).

So, for those who think that providers don't care whose dick they insert, from the seemingly endless texts by marauding mongers, perhaps its because they are dealing with a very different subset of providers than some us. Heck, the market is large and varied enough, and it would explain their views on this topic.

As for me, I'm sourcing providers where rapport matters. Where a credible provider will differentiate and is willing to call bullshit on a dick. And dicks truly need that feedback so that they can improve their success rate within the market segment they are sourcing, because after all its about getting the pussy. And who doesn't want a dick to find a pussy?

But then again, I've never met a dick that realized he was one. They typically think everyone else is.

My last post on this topic.

J4 me.

[QUOTE=BearB;2973346]With the exception of agreeing totally with your comment about the importance of being polite and respectful in ones relationships with providers, I could not disagree more with everything else in your post. Not all providers are the same; not even close. Finding the perfect piece of ass is a lifelong pursuit. There is a lot of hit / miss in this hobby, and when a monger finds something close to his individual concept of perfection, last thing he wants to do is fuck it away over some senseless $10.00 negotiation strategy. If an individual really believes once he has had one piece of ass he has had them all, my suggestion would be that person start saving his hard earned money and start jerking off on a more regular basis. And please, if you know the name of an attorney that works as hard in an hour or gives up more to bring a client satisfaction as some (not all) of our providers do, PM me a name. I may very well need one in the future.[/QUOTE]I guess if you say and think you are right, you are right. I'll stand behind what I stated, I'm plenty comfortable with what I do and have managed for quite a long time. It's not a religious experience, it's just something on the side. Stay safe!

[QUOTE=RedTalon;2974117]I guess if you say and think you are right, you are right. I'll stand behind what I stated, I'm plenty comfortable with what I do and have managed for quite a long time. It's not a religious experience, it's just something on the side. Stay safe![/QUOTE]You stay safe too Red Talon. I love your posts.

[QUOTE=JaxForMe;2972471]Her most recent BP post:

[URL]http://jacksonville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/available-now-blanding-incall-hour-special-150-g-f-e/9614652[/URL]

Rates are included. And a pesky stipulation of "Non Negotiable". Assuming that you responded to the BP Ad.

You: Good morning. Are you available?

Her: Good morning. Yes.

You: Are your rates negotiable?

Her: No.

You: Thanks. Have a great day.

And you move on to the next gal.

If she responds with "yes" (I'm willing to negotiate). Then you do so respectfully, knowing that if you really "low ball" her. You do so at the risk of being placed on her exclusionary list. If you don't care about that then go ahead and blow yourself up.

Everyone has their own approach.

For what its worth. When I meet a provider for the first time, I usually go for a QV or 30 minutes. I generally pay close to full asking price. If the encounter goes well (we click), she realizes that I'm cool, clean, and sociable. Then I tend to negotiate price, differentiated service, length of encounter. It has worked for me more often than not. Because providers aren't indifferent when it comes to their clients. All things being equal, they would prefer to suck a dick from someone who isn't a dick.

My 2 cents.

J4 me.[/QUOTE]Have to agree. I have seen her ads and she always says non-negotiable. What is difficult to understand here? I'm kinda stumped at those wanting the low-rate, high volume providers and also want no cover. Playing Russian roulette with your life IMO.

Each other's post and methods and co signing, I'm going to fuck her for 40 or less with cover of course. It what I do, kind of my thing, it's how I get off. So you can all go blow each other and burn your hard earn dividends on a slow boat to China. Peace You pussy whip fags.

[QUOTE=Milkma;2975742]Each other's post and methods and co signing, I'm going to fuck her for 40 or less with cover of course. It what I do, kind of my thing, it's how I get off. So you can all go blow each other and burn your hard earn dividends on a slow boat to China. Peace You pussy whip fags.[/QUOTE]That was F at #$IN HILARIOUS!

[QUOTE=Milkma;2975742]Each other's post and methods and co signing, I'm going to fuck her for 40 or less with cover of course. It what I do, kind of my thing, it's how I get off. So you can all go blow each other and burn your hard earn dividends on a slow boat to China. Peace You pussy whip fags.[/QUOTE]It what you do. Can we get an English lesson here!!

If you're going to post dumb shit, at least make sure you get your point across properly and with punctuation! Perhaps you can only count to 40 and this is where you are having trouble getting to 60?

I come on here to gather intel and share intel if I have it. So far over the past month, the only hard intel I've been able to gather is that milkma, Michael78, and thisblows are pretty much worthless to the forum. Their trash posts take up space where useful information belongs. Then, they don't seem to understand why providers react negatively to them and hobbyists bash them for their posts. My suggestion to you 3 is to gather in a closet somewhere and form a support group for individuals that can't figure out why they've been shunned by providers and mongers alike. Maybe you will start to see each other as the rest of the hobby sees you. Hopefully this will help you to see the error in your ways and possibly encourage you to present yourselves a little bit better. I can guarantee that the forums and the hobby will be kinder to you if you do.