Massage Parlor Reports

The tapes they are referring to are video tapes that were made and kept by the businesses themselves of their own customers who came and went.

While it may be common to tape for security purposes, it was obviously a poor business decision as the authorities now have many witnesses (if there was illegal activity) whom they can question.

I personally don't engage in illegal activities but I never knew that I might be on MANY videos (coming soon to a police theater near you).

I don't think this is a common practice among locally owned establishments with owners on site. I think this is the way it's run by larger organizations that bring in foreign talent.

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You've got to be kidding me. After 1 year investigation they bust 2 of 4 and fail to get the "kingpin" and her "#2" and that's a big bust?

I call it, Big Incompetence. Phoenix finest showing that they not only have their priorities all messed up, they can't even get their bust right leaving the two "important" women get away. What a bunch of idiots.

I'm sure the general public is all SHOCKED to learn that sexual activities go on in those MPs. Shocked!

Hey Phoenix and surrounding PDs, go fight real crime and leave the victimless crimes alone until you've rid our community of rape, murder, drug trafficking, car theft, burglary, ID theft, vandalism, gang activity, insurance fraud, etc.

What a waste of my tax dollars.

Q

[QUOTE=Cantecleer]Less than stellar dream, but perhaps others with more experience have had a better time... $50 for entry, then a steep upsell and only minimal luck getting her down on the price. ...Always open to tips and suggestions. [/QUOTE]From reading about other dreams and from your own dreams you will get an idea of what you can reasonably dream about for X amount. If you can get yourself to dream about it, figure on a reasonable bottom line and put only that much in a clip for example. When negotiating in your dream, very humbly say what you would like and show that you only have that much left. Make it an odd amount for more believeability. Most likely, you will succeed. AND. Have a pleasant dream. Don't be afraid to politely stick to the included entry services if negotiations don't go your way. Dreams tend to be accomodating. Just understand that your dream wants whatever you have to offer as much as you want what it has to offer. Afterall, $. 39 or $. 42 is a lot more than 0.

In negotiations, it is important to always consider the other party's point of view. For example, if someone was haggling hard with you to do some work for. 5 when you wanted or needed $, how good of a job would you do? Further, how good would your attitude be while doing it? On the other hand, if someone only had. 72 and was really pleasant, you may do the work and feel good about it. If you show you are willing to give all you have left for what you would really like, your opponent will feel they got the most out of you and likely proceed in a pleasant way without feeling disgruntled. Pleasant dreams.

[QUOTE=Quipster]You've got to be kidding me. After 1 year investigation they bust 2 of 4 and fail to get the "kingpin" and her "#2" and that's a big bust?
I call it, Big Incompetence. Phoenix finest showing that they not only have their priorities all messed up, they can't even get their bust right leaving the two "important" women get away. What a bunch of idiots.
I'm sure the general public is all SHOCKED to learn that sexual activities go on in those MPs. Shocked!
Hey Phoenix and surrounding PDs, go fight real crime and leave the victimless crimes alone until you've rid our community of rape, murder, drug trafficking, car theft, burglary, ID theft, vandalism, gang activity, insurance fraud, etc.
What a waste of my tax dollars.
Q[/QUOTE]
Sheriff Joe kicked the Phoenix mayor's butt and the police chief's butt and I think they are now pissed off and trying to figure out how they can appear as enforcing the law.
The mayor is a spineless idiot who wants, above all else, to make Phoenix a safe-haven for every illegal that comes here.
You are indeed right, the city should be cracking down on major crime first and then maybe in a few years (maybe 20 or so), take a look at the amp & sw situation.
DN

[QUOTE=Entranced]From reading about other dreams and from your own dreams you will get an idea of what you can reasonably dream about for X amount. If you can get yourself to dream about it, figure on a reasonable bottom line and put only that much in a clip for example. When negotiating in your dream, very humbly say what you would like and show that you only have that much left. Make it an odd amount for more believeability. Most likely, you will succeed. AND. Have a pleasant dream. Don't be afraid to politely stick to the included entry services if negotiations don't go your way. Dreams tend to be accomodating. Just understand that your dream wants whatever you have to offer as much as you want what it has to offer. Afterall, $. 39 or $. 42 is a lot more than 0.

In negotiations, it is important to always consider the other party's point of view. For example, if someone was haggling hard with you to do some work for. 5 when you wanted or needed $, how good of a job would you do? Further, how good would your attitude be while doing it? On the other hand, if someone only had. 72 and was really pleasant, you may do the work and feel good about it. If you show you are willing to give all you have left for what you would really like, your opponent will feel they got the most out of you and likely proceed in a pleasant way without feeling disgruntled. Pleasant dreams.[/QUOTE]
Entranced is offering the board a very cryptic observation of how we should manage our activities at the amps.
I will applaud you for your efforts. But do you have a clue that there are many mongers that have made this activity a science?
There are many many skilled mongers on this board that don't need the advice of a monger with 2 posts.
Please don't be offended by my comments. I am only trying to bring you to a better understanding of reality.
DN

First a guy comes on here and brags about stealing $20. 00 from a sp after he does her and now another guy takes two paragraphs to explain how to get from $42.00 down to $39.00.

Are you kidding me? If you can't afford it don't ruin it for the rest of us by treating people this way.

The goal is to enjoy not destroy them. God help us!

[QUOTE=Dick North]Entranced is offering the board a very cryptic observation of how we should manage our activities at the amps.

I will applaud you for your efforts. But do you have a clue that there are many mongers that have made this activity a science?

There are many many skilled mongers on this board that don't need the advice of a monger with 2 posts.

Please don't be offended by my comments. I am only trying to bring you to a better understanding of reality.

DN[/QUOTE]Um, look at the top of his post. Notice what he quoted? He was actually responding to my concerns. That is, the concerns of a relative newbie. About tipping and negotiating.

Sure, he only has two posts and was offering tips about things that more experienced mongers have long ago mastered. BUT, if you take his post in the context of providing guidance to ME (who also happens to only have 2 posts), as opposed to advising YOU, or others with adequate knowledge. Well, maybe his post isn't an insult to your intelligence or extensive experience, but actually serves as a good reminder for those of us who don't measure up to your knowledge/experience. I mean, c'mon. We are all new at some point and time, why be so harsh to somebody who is trying to educate a novice?

FWIW, thank you very much, Entranced. *I* found your response extremely helpful, the objections of others notwithstanding.

[QUOTE=Dick North]Entranced is offering the board a very cryptic observation of how we should manage our activities at the amps.

I will applaud you for your efforts. But do you have a clue that there are many mongers that have made this activity a science?

There are many many skilled mongers on this board that don't need the advice of a monger with 2 posts.

Please don't be offended by my comments. I am only trying to bring you to a better understanding of reality.

DN[/QUOTE]Those are always interesting. Give someone quasi props and then cut them down, but no offense. I have a perfect understanding of reality and I do not want to get off to a rocky start here as I prefer for everyone to just be cool to eachother. You have obviously put in some time and effort here (Mr. North), and I will give you that. If I may respectfully express my opinion, it seems your frame of mind, or outlook on newer posters in this forum could be more supportive and may be a bit negatively skewed, which clouded your judgement and caused you to misinterpret my post. I wasn't telling everyone how to manage their activities. Least of all those that have made the art of dreaming a science. Why would anyone think to do so? I directly quoted and replied to a fellow new poster whom asked for advice. It is only he that the post was directed at. While I understand that there are many, many dreamers, including yourself (which wasn't the intended audience), that do not need the advice of a dreamer with 2 posts I didn't see any experienced posters jump to reply to his request; hence the opportunity to contribute, even if it was only slightly helpful to one new member.

If I could respectfully touch on something else, just because someone only has only a few posts on this site, doesn't mean they are inexperienced in these sort of dreams. I'm sure one can imagine that it's possible for a well experienced dreamer to only recently find this site and that ones experience does not necessarily begin with this forum. Understandably, the number of posts are no indication as to ones experience and quite possibly, a new poster may have some knowledge to be shared.

Hopefully, everyone understands I am only here to participate and be helpful when possible and in no way am I here to pontificate, or claim to be all-knowing. Just like anyone else, if I post and it is helpful to whomever reads it, great. If not, pass it by. If you have something better, by all means share it. If you feel you are too good to share anymore, then maybe you've outgrown the forum. Every edge one can get is a plus and you can never learn too much. Thanks to all including Mr. North who have contributed prior to my arrival. Peace.

[QUOTE=T Freguson]First a guy comes on here and brags about stealing $20. 00 from a sp after he does her and now another guy takes two paragraphs to explain how to get from $42.00 down to $39.00.

Are you kidding me? If you can't afford it don't ruin it for the rest of us by treating people this way.

The goal is to enjoy not destroy them. God help us![/QUOTE]WTF is right TF! Now I have write a few more paragraphs to explain the first two paragraphs, again no less, that were perfectly clear to begin with. Take some time to read and UNDERSTAND the posts people! It is rediculous that it is necessary to explain posts to death when they are perfectly clear. There is a thing called context and it is helpful in understanding written language. As a side note, what is it with people thinking that everything in this forum is directed at them! To whomever feels that way, is this YOUR personal forum? I think not. Further, I don't believe either TF's post or North's post were particularly helpful to anyone in the forum, but were rather distracting from what I believe to be the intended nature of the forum - Dreaming.

Do yourself a flavor TF and go to the top of the page and read the section titled abbreviations and you will see that $.42 is not fourty two. Take note of the $ in front and the decimal point between the $ and the fourty two.

If you read the original post carefully you will see that it wasn't bargaining down from $.42 to $.39. They were both examples of what to keep on your person to give believeability to your negotiation and help your opponent feel at ease. Another example, one dreams about getting $$ from an atm, spends .6 at the door and only has $.4 left.

Though you misunderstood the post, much like Mr. North, I completely agree that the goal is to enjoy your dreams and not to turn them into nightmares. That is why I took the time to write the original second paragraph explaining how that type of negotiation would help the other party feel good about the struck deal.

Can we all just get back to being helpful and focus on building efficient dreamers? Please?

BTW, thank you Cantecleer for taking notice. I hope the info gives you some extra tools to draw from.

[QUOTE=Cantecleer] ....FWIW, thank you very much, Entranced. *I* found your response extremely helpful, the objections of others notwithstanding.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for your response. Nothing like a lively discussion. Since you were so taken by the 'Entranced' treatise on the 'Art of Negotiation', I would love to have you explain in simpler terms to the board what he was saying. Perhaps I did not fully understand his message. I lost it at the $42.00 - $39.00 analogy
and this statement ... "Just understand that your dream wants whatever you have to offer as much as you want what it has to offer."
I guess I am just a real clod when it comes to this poetic stuff. Admittedly, I did understand what he was trying to say, but it gave me a headache in the process.
On a positive note, there are tons of reports on this thread which offer great advice. I would suggest reading back as far as necessary to get some good intel.
Take care
DN
PS I do realize that you claim that his post was only intended for you, but unfortunately without PM privileges all posts are broadcast to the entire board and the import of the message will be treated as a post for all of us to review.

Finally made it to the west side. Was hoping for the girl of my dreams 'Jenny', but she is no longer there. Greeted by 'Eva' a Chinese girl about 5'6 105#, small titties but with nips that could hold my 3-piece suit on a wood hanger.
Nice ts and massage. .6 entry and $.20 tip. She wanted more, but don't they all.
I was invited to visit Vicky next time in. This girl was in a room across from mine and peeking out as I left. Looked cute.
Nothing like a good relaxing therapeutic massage and that's all I go there for.

Take care all and be careful these days.
DN

Your follow-up post just arrived. I would just like to thank you for the effort you put into explaining your intentions and your post.
Sorry for any misunderstandings and I wish you much success as a monger.
Welcome to the USG.
Please don't be irritated by some of the responses that greet your first several posts. Believe me, we are all in this together and we have a common purpose, but many of us are (perhaps overly) protective of the hobby.
Take care
DN

PS. As a side note, part of the process on the USG is to establish a comfort level with fellow posters. I am sure that makes sense to you and even though it may be uncomfortable, it is a process that continues on every board and every thread on the USG. Believe me, I still have shoe prints on my butt from my first several posts.

[QUOTE=Dick North]Your follow-up post just arrived. I would just like to thank you for the effort you put into explaining your intentions and your post.

Sorry for any misunderstandings and I wish you much success as a monger.
Welcome to the USG.

Please don't be irritated by some of the responses that greet your first several posts. Believe me, we are all in this together and we have a common purpose, but many of us are (perhaps overly) protective of the hobby.

Take care

DN

PS. As a side note, part of the process on the USG is to establish a comfort level with fellow posters. I am sure that makes sense to you and even though it may be uncomfortable, it is a process that continues on every board and every thread on the USG. Believe me, I still have shoe prints on my butt from my first several posts.[/QUOTE]Thanks DN.

Peace

Tempe stud 75,

Well said. I might have been a tad more diplomatic, but it's a sore subject for me. Either way I appreciate your comment.

What some of these girls have had to go through in many cases is nothing short of sheer terror and I place an enormous value on the service they provide.

Yes I have been ripped off, lied to etc. But why make it some one else's problem? I've been at this for longer than I care to admit and I have NEVER EVER EVEN ONCE offered a penny less than they said it cost. If I don't have it, I don't go. It isn't up to me to set the price--it's up to them.

The way I look at it s this. I'm the one with paid vacations, paid sick days, paid holidays, paid health care, paid dental care, 401K, house, car, kids in college $ in the bank, family (otherwise known as the American dream.)

Here's what they have; a place on the floor to sleep (or a table) and the hope that they will not have to go to jail or be raped today (AGAIN). Oh and the money? They use that to keep from being abused' deported and to keep their families safe.

So since we're giving out advice (or what works for some people) here is what I do. When I am done "dreaming" no matter what amount I have agreed to I give them an extra $20. 00 no matter what. You would be amazed what a lousy $20. 00 will do. I have gone back to these places and had them arguing over who was going to get to see me and I'm disgusting looking. A lousy $20. 00-- that's it. And in spite of all that, sometimes I still have trouble sleeping at night.

[QUOTE=T Freguson]Tempe stud 75,

...What some of these girls have had to go through in many cases is nothing short of sheer terror and I place an enormous value on the service they provide.
Yes I have been ripped off, lied to etc. But why make it some one else's problem? I've been at this for longer than I care to admit and I have NEVER EVER EVEN ONCE offered a penny less than they said it cost. If I don't have it, I don't go. It isn't up to me to set the price--it's up to them.

So since we're giving out advice (or what works for some people) here is what I do. When I am done "dreaming" no matter what amount I have agreed to I give them an extra $20. 00 no matter what. You would be amazed what a lousy $20. 00 will do. I have gone back to these places and had them arguing over who was going to get to see me and I'm disgusting looking. A lousy $20. 00-- that's it. And in spite of all that, sometimes I still have trouble sleeping at night.[/QUOTE]Okay, I can't stay away from posting. My lastest addiction. At times I like to play devil's advocate only for the sake of meaningful discussion, but to show I'm not a hard-nosed, heartless, you know what as I may have come off as in my last post, I can definitely agree with your take on the dream world TF. If I may share for the board, my preference is to have a more fixed price in mind and then possibly tip as high as the original asking price in hopes that it goes directly to the individual's pocket and not shared with the house. I always preferred to give directly to families in need versus giving money to organizations to take their cut and pass on a few pennies on the dollar.

What is much more preferrable to me, since I do love to make a difference, is to dream on the side to cut out the house and hope that 100% goes to the right cause. I've seen a few posts on outside dreams, but nothing as of late. Anyone here been able to bypass the house and go direct?