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If you say anything that may be a problem or if you sound like a rookie who has not done his research, you are done. It is nothing personal but we have lives too. That is why you may not be able to get her on the phone again. It is a gut feeling for us too, if it feels wrong, we will not take the chance. You would not either.
The ladies who are worth being with are protecting themselves - anyone else and you are playing russian roulette, because at the same time they are protecting themselves, they are also protecting YOU with their caution.
I think Red flag Number 1 should be anyone (monger or provider) who doesn't seem to care about discretion - stay the hell away.
For us guys, read the frakking info on their site or their ad - and FOLLOW IT.
Thanks Sexybldbbwfl for a totally relaxed, and relaxing, and rewarding experience.
D.
[QUOTE=Sexybldbbwfl]If you say anything that may be a problem or if you sound like a rookie who has not done his research, you are done. It is nothing personal but we have lives too. That is why you may not be able to get her on the phone again. It is a gut feeling for us too, if it feels wrong, we will not take the chance. You would not either.[/QUOTE]
I really would not care of getting a girl on the phone if she does not answer my 2nd call. It is more than likely she knows I am looking for this hot model. Dealing with a professional agency/professional escort she would not mind telling me how she looks like. She would not mind having a conversation.
I will never on the other hand offend her or cross the borders. I am very picky and I do not want disappointments. I do not want her to drive all the way then I cancel neither do I want to drive all the way to her.
There are many kinds of working girls. There are many kinds of customers.
This is from my own experience.
J
[QUOTE=Sexybldbbwfl]If you say anything that may be a problem or if you sound like a rookie who has not done his research, you are done. It is nothing personal but we have lives too. That is why you may not be able to get her on the phone again. It is a gut feeling for us too, if it feels wrong, we will not take the chance. You would not either.[/QUOTE]
I did not want to reply since you do not want to discuss this any more. All I want to say is you would have to make many judgements. Have you seen those ad's that show on CL for a couple of times and never show again. I have dated girls whom I was their first customer. Their ad was just few lines, a phone and a picture (mostly gorgeous). One of these girls was the russian girl and she was not really looking to be in the profession. I took one for the team and if I waited to see reviews would have missed it.
1- Yes I admit you are right in # 1 to some extend. Mostly do not have a license but there are who work with a license (massage, ..etc)
2- The fine line is: you are paying money for time and companionship not for sex or sexual acts.
3- True again I go to tampa if I need a lap dance and FS because I do not like to be teased without being pleased
4- neither do I tell anyone what to say or do but I started long ago and there was not info on line. I had to search, read and try. Besides I can not even tell anyone what to do?
5- I am not saying "you are wrong" and I am not saying "I am only right". The situations dictate which methods to use. I am not competing against you never did but my thoughts were appreciated before and these same thoughts.
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VS I do respect you and haven taken your words for granted many times. Thanks for taking the time to explain and reply.
J
[QUOTE=VerySlowly]1--Whom do you know that is "licensed" ? Do you mean an occupational license? LE is quite frankly not running around looking at occupational licenses, that lic. is nothing more than a tax and is enforced by the taxing authorities not LE. Some municipalities have tried to use this gimmick but it hasn't amounted to a hill of beans.
2--There is no fine line, if you offer money or anything of value for any sexual act covered by the state statute you are in violation of state law, period.
3--Where can you get a lap-dance within 50 miles of Orlando? Other than Gina on C/L, is she licensed?
4-- I am not telling anybody what to do or say I'm only telling you what is most effective and comfortable for all concerned. If you want to try to develop a relationship over the phone go ahead. It won't work for most guys, most are very nervous on the phone. How do I know? I've been there when they call.
5-- If I'm wrong and your right how come the ladies agree with me, I haven't seen one positive response to your posts.
This is my last response to this issue, my reason for bringing it up is that it is a problem for providers and mongers as well and I thought I would provide some understanding and solutions and I believe I have, if anyone has a better solution I'm willing to hear it---VS[/QUOTE]
Anyone who (girls and guys) missed the discussion here the last few days should take the time to read this thread. Great points all around. No one should be offended by the different points of view; they help us all to better understand each other.
I have sent e-mails and PMs to girls whose ads I thought might get them into trouble. The reason is quite simple. The girls had excellent reputations and I did not want to see them get into any kind of trouble. Although we all know that the girls only provide legal companionship, it is easy in this very marketing oriented world to put something in ads to tease and intice. However all that is needed is:
Recent picture or accurate description
Rates for time (no services need to be mentioned)
Availability times for incall or outcall
Contact information
If I show up and a girl is not as pictured or described, I walk.
If a girl talks at all about money, I walk.
If a girl tries to upsell, I walk.
If a girl provides excellent, unrushed companionship, then I give her a tip in appreciation and tell others about her.
[QUOTE=VerySlowly]The intelligent non druggie girls are always without fail the best lovers.---VS[/QUOTE]
I often am in parts of the world where interraction between men and women under various circumstances is legal. The women that I look for have clear eyes, bright smiles, do not do drugs, drink excessively or even smoke. If she can't hold down a 5 minute conversation why would I want to spend an hour or more with her?
Thanks Exec_Talent,
I would not want to spend time with a girl who does not want to spare few minutes and carry a small conversation either. That does not mean she has to be fluent in English. I dated girls who are not fluent in English but they were still willing to talk on the phone.
We all started at a time when girls did not find their way to the internet. After girls found their way to the net some methods we used in the past still apply. If a girl tells me I am 5' 7" 110lb, DD cup posting a picture with a watermark. I'd be "there is something wrong!".
There are too many types of girls:
- An amateur who is doing this to meet some needs. She does not really know much. Her ad might include so much info or no info at all. This is the most dangerous kind and the one I like the most.
- An amateur who did it but not on a regular basis. She knows what to do. More than likely her ad would be professional if her ad is not and the way she carried herself on the phone was trashy and demanding. I would not see her.
- Professional with an agency. In the past agencies (lost that site) were reviewed and rated with 5 stars ... stars. There are agencies that care about their reputation and provide services. The girls found a hard time working for these agencies. Personally not my favorite choice any more to hire a girl working for an agency. In theory, the agency advertises so the cost is divided by the girls and the agency maintains its reputation so the customer gets what he pays for.
- Professional working independent. In the past when girls could not find an agency or they just wanted to work solely they became independent. It was a bit regulated in the past with girls working with a license.
- SW's hit the net. Now there is no borderline between different kinds of girls. They all use the internet. For me with enough experience, the phone can tell me a bit about the girl. I remember this girl who wrote very long ad's on the net trying to prove she's a college educated girl. It did not prove a thing.
There are no exact rules.
J
[QUOTE=Exec Talent]... If she can't hold down a 5 minute conversation why would I want to spend an hour or more with her?[/QUOTE]
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There are no exact rules.
J[/QUOTE]
1--You've misinterpreted E.T.'s comment, I'm relatively sure he didn't mean a five minute phone conversation.
2--You have moved my comments that were meant to clear up some issues for board members about telephone etiquette into complete obfuscation and you won't let it go, it seems your trying to prove how smart you are and proving just the opposite.
3--Like everyone you are entitled to do things your own way, you seem to want guarantees based on a phone conversation, the sharp girls are not going to give it to you. You say "if she doesn't answer your second phone call ,she has an attitude" obviously you don't get it.
4--Either you write these rambling post's when your stoned or your related to Borat--which is it? If you think this a flame, I don't care I was trying to post some information and now it's all jumbled up with ranting and raving and bragging. Why don't you tell us about your bust on the trail with a SW that kept you off this board for a year, maybe someone could learn from that experience. I'll tell you what I got from it, spend the money on a room and you won't go to jail, no fine line there--VS
Audrey is one girl who knows how to write an ad.
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What do you need to know that isn't there? Based upon reviews here from well-known posters she is the girl in the pictures. She is clear about her prices and how to contact her.
I do like to talk with a girl on the phone to get a sense if we will enjoy spending time together. If she can't put together a coherent sentence or is all baby this and baby that, then I couldn't care less how hot she looks in her ad. Often I will suggest that I will pay $50 less than her listed price for an hour, but will give her a tip bringing it to her requested amount if we have a good time together. Girls who are service oriented never have a problem with that.
What's this all about?
1- Ok whatever! Only Exec_Talent can tell. Oh! He did. Anyway, Thanks Exec_Talent for your understanding.
2- I am not trying to prove anything!
3- Yes I am entitled and everyone is the same to do whatever they wish and please.
4- Ranting, raving, bragging and rambling! When/where was all this?
I said everything about that experience and what anyone should learn from it. [b]In brief (again), You should keep your mouth shut even if the biatch did not shut hers even if Leo adds to your charges.[/b] This incident did not keep me off the board. The incident proved that my advices helped me get off the hook. Are you trying to hurt me? Actually, I posted a lot about what I learned even way after the incident. I share good and bad. I am not an angel or trying to be. If we do not live and share our experiences we'll never learn. It takes more courage to share bad experiences. What does not break you makes you stronger? I write from experiences unlike some. I would not wish anyone to go through the bad ones but have we listened to our parents all the time when they advised us?
I do not know what to say! [b]I am not competing! I am not fighting! I really do not care to explain at this point.[/b]
J
[QUOTE=VerySlowly]
1--You've misinterpreted E.T.'s comment, I'm relatively sure he didn't mean a five minute phone conversation.
2--You have moved my comments that were meant to clear up some issues for board members about telephone etiquette into complete obfuscation and you won't let it go, it seems your trying to prove how smart you are and proving just the opposite.
3--Like everyone you are entitled to do things your own way, you seem to want guarantees based on a phone conversation, the sharp girls are not going to give it to you. You say "if she doesn't answer your second phone call ,she has an attitude" obviously you don't get it.
4--Either you write these rambling post's when your stoned or your related to Borat--which is it? If you think this a flame, I don't care I was trying to post some information and now it's all jumbled up with ranting and raving and bragging. Why don't you tell us about your bust on the trail with a SW that kept you off this board for a year, maybe someone could learn from that experience. I'll tell you what I got from it, spend the money on a room and you won't go to jail, no fine line there--VS[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/09/09/2008-09-09_howard_stern_in_virgin_territory.html[/url]
[QUOTE]Tuesday, September 9th 2008, 4:00 AM
Look for Howard Stern to shock again on Tuesday morning when he's due to kick off the auction of a 22-year-old beauty's virginity.
Expected to step on the block, so to speak, of Stern's Sirius radio studio is a San Diego woman who says she wants to sell her maidenhood to pay her college tuition.
"I don't have a moral dilemma with it," says the pretty brunette, who's using the pseudonym of Natalie Dylan "for safety reasons."
"We live in a capitalist society," she tells us. "Why shouldn't I be allowed to capitalize on my virginity?"
Dylan was introduced to Stern by Dennis Hof, proprietor of the Moonlite Bunny Ranch, Nevada's famed legal brothel (seen on HBO's hit series "Cathouse.")
Hof says the auction will be conducted online via bunnyranch.com, and that the deal will be consummated at the Bunny Ranch, where Dylan's sister already works. "I think it's a tremendous idea," he says. "Why lose it to some guy in the backseat of a Toyota when you can pay for your education?"
There won't be any questions about Dylan's virtue: The lass says she's willing to submit to a polygraph test and a gynecological exam to confirm her virginity.
According to Dylan, she and her sister were forced into the skin trade partly because their stepfather allegedly took out student loans in their names without their permission, leaving them unable to finance their education.
She says she's already earned her bachelor's degree in women's studies at Sacramento State and that in January she'll start her master's work in marriage and family therapy there. She hopes to get a doctorate.
Meanwhile, her mother, a "conservative" fourth-grade teacher, doesn't approve of what she's doing, "but she supports me."
More worrisome is the potential media storm. "I understand some people may condemn me," Dylan says. "But I think this is empowering. I'm using what I have to better myself."
Dylan told us she got the auction idea after reading about a Peruvian woman who needed to pay for her mother's medical bills. A Canadian man made a whopping $1.5 million bid, but the woman reportedly decided not to go through with the sex.
Dylan says the winner won't necessarily be the highest bidder. "I want someone with chemistry. We'll take bids until I find a suitor I'm happy with.”[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Orlando J]Even if things go to the extreme and the mother-fu?ker Leo charges you with any bogus charge (obstructing justice, lying to an officer while conducting an investiagtion, ...etc.) for keeping your mouth shut as they did to me.
[/QUOTE]Curious .. was the LEO *threatening* to charge you or did they actually charge you with the bogus charge ?
This is a damned informative (and entertaining) lecture from a Regent University law prof, with a second presentation by an experienced cop near the end..
It shows just why you NEVER, EVER talk with police, be it mongering, or dui or anything else beyond a simple traffic ticket.
[url]http://www.regent.edu/admin/media/schlaw/LawPreview/[/url]
Seems like LEO had his hands full tonight around 10p just N of the 528. It seemed like overkill, as lights were flashing up and down the trail on their way to finish at the Hotel. The incident apparently interupted several doughnutshop patrons who left with lights blazing. Was it something in the fillign? Several Ambulances came towards the end. Passed by a couple of times with more lights flashing each time.
Anyone have a more detail report of what went down?
[QUOTE=Taster Too]Seems like LEO had his hands full tonight around 10p just N of the 528. It seemed like overkill, as lights were flashing up and down the trail on their way to finish at the Hotel. The incident apparently interupted several doughnutshop patrons who left with lights blazing. Was it something in the fillign? Several Ambulances came towards the end. Passed by a couple of times with more lights flashing each time.
Anyone have a more detail report of what went down?[/QUOTE]
Why can't people cross at the lights? LE, to protect us from these nefarious jaywalkers, has come down on them hard lately. As usual, because it takes 10 of them to combine to an IQ of 100, LE has been out in force. Cross at the ligths. Cross at the lights.