You are the first provider I've seen to have connected the dots
[QUOTE=PristineChase;2577403]I'm glad you understand the whole "not discussing $$ or services" thing. However, guys don't respect that and call asking "what can I get for $xx" or they'll make the date then before hanging up, the ask the donations. Either way, I always end up hanging up. It makes me uncomfortable. I've been busted twice, so I'm super cautious and too many guys don't understand that. I enjoy this business, it has carried me through rough times but I have no desire to develop a criminal record from it. I'm not going to be in this hobby forever, I'm going to want a "real" job, to go back to college and have a basic life (one day) but I'm already a little embarrassed to even try to pursue those things because of my criminal past. As far as the whole donation in the bathroom, I already (kinda) do that. I prefer my donation be placed on the dresser or nightstand and require my suitors to freshen up / wash hands and gargle mouthwash upon arrival, and that's when I count in private and put it away. I have ways of screening most calls even if the caller doesn't want to provide the info, and many volunteer their board or employment information and are more than happy to help in anyway to get thru the process. My mistake was trusting a regular friend to be honest and do what's right.[/QUOTE]
This is the main reason why I try to educate girls about the importance of NOT discussing service details. People must understand that a criminal history will fruck up your future in more ways than one. You're a young woman and you should be very concerned about your future. As you so eloquently mentioned and I have also said this to many ladies, one day you might want to stop doing this escort thing, go to college and get a decent job; put all this behind you. You don't want the remnants of this hobby to come back to bite you in your future. We live in a very judgmental country and they do hold this stuff against you. A lot of people (especially the providers) don't know that in your life time, really depends on the state you got caught in a sting, you can only seal one criminal record. Unfortunately, states like New York, last I heard, you can't EVER seal a record which means potential employers get to see your past for the rest of your life! Most people aren't interested in having this conversation but will realize how important it is when they are out trying to find a job but keep getting turned down because of their criminal history. Care now so you won't have to pay for ignorance later! Anyway sweetheart, it's all about protecting you! What do I mean by this. When silly guys call or text or whatever medium they chose and start discussing service details and money, I'd hang up or stop communicating with them in a heartbeat. Now don't misunderstand me, some guys just don't know any better; but their IGNORANCE isn't your problems. No sense in you getting jammed up because they don't know any better. When you place your donation in your ad, this is very smart because it removes the need to talk about donations. Of course in your ad (not sure you do this) but I always tell girls to say the donation is for my time and companionship ONLY. Now, I'm going to put my next recommendation by itself so other women can also understand:
However way you want to identify this in your ad (for example #1 or letter A, etc.) but definitely the first line in the ad so they (clients) see it immediately, I would say: (A) or (1) I do not discuss service details in person, on the phone, via text or email. If you do, I will immediately END the session!
The reason I did it like this is because many girls tend to write a lot of USELESS verbiage in their ad's. Most people aren't going to read a lot of verbiage anyway as this is not a reading course. The verbiage should be as sparse as possible. Never say too much but enough to PROTECT you! Most ad's talk about how wonderful and great they are and how you will be calling their name forever! Truth of the matter is, most don't live up to the hype! If a girl is that great, let it be known in your actions not your words (Most guys are only concerned about seeing nice pix, donations, and a contact number; the rest is rubbish)! The above would be the first line I place in my ad; in fact, in the subject heading, I might say," please READ letter A or number 1 first before you contact me. This way, they will understand RIGHT AWAY how biz is to be conducted. I try to tell guys on here that their first appointment with a girl SHOULD NOT consist of discussing service details. Let that be either in your second meeting or after the ceremony of the first meeting because you put these ladies in some very DIFFICULT predicaments when you try to make them discuss service details. In most cases, we know if a lady is legit (like Pristine, by her reviews) but they don't know if we are legit, so I think we should work with them in this way. Plus, this will keep you guys out of jail as well. Some of the girls we see, in fact most, don't have reviews so WHY are we trying to get a list of sex do and don'ts from them in a first conversation? You are potentially incriminating yourself!
Anyway, sorry to rant a bit here but it's important we all stay safe as one day we are going to want to walk away from this so-called hobby and when you do, what will be on your record? How badly did you mess up your future job prospects? There was a guy on the SWer thread who picked up a girl and went to a certain location with her. Once there, they commenced to doing their thing. LEO came upon them and before they were made to vacate the car, the SWer threw her drugs in his back seat. The gentleman said now he is out of tens of thousands of dollars trying to clear his name now and the girl did not own up to the drugs being hers! Wonder why not?! Do you blame her? Pristine and others who might read this, PROTECT yourself! Look out for number one; YOU! Unfortunately, much of this advice falls on deaf ears! If it will help, as far as my credibility is concerned, I have been in about 5 prostitution stings and have never gotten arrested for solicitation. Why? Because I knew what to do and what not to do! I just didn't get away by chance ya know!
I don't tell people these things because I'm happy about what I do. I tell them these things because, as I mentioned, one day when I walk away from this, I don't want any remnants of it to affect my life forever!
M&G's are not easy to pull off
Talk to the ladies and gents organizing them in bigger hobby cities right now and see what they're saying. There are a lot of upfront costs that may not be recuperated. In my experience attending M&G's in the last year, the Jacksonville market will not have enough participants. It's hard enough funding a tour sometimes. I wouldn't want to lose money on an event.
For hobbyists who don't know, Atlanta event entries start at $45+. Central / South Florida, NY, DC, and Boston start at $100. For that you get to meet in a private setting, have a little food, drink, maybe complimentary alcohol, and a chance to meet ladies over a 3-4 hour period. (Just talk. Nothing explicit occurs.) You get screened. The ladies are reputable and get screened too. [B]Everything costs the host time and money before the first guest has even arrived. [/B] If you've planned a party at a private venue in Jacksonville, you'll have an idea of the costs of organizing one of these.
[QUOTE=PristineChase;2577833]What ever happened to Meet & Greets? This used to be a great way for hobbyists and providers to network. I've enrolled at the AIU-Online for Event Management / Planning and will be done in December, therefore done with the hobby (the provider part at least). Maybe hosting Meet & Greets can be my way of staying connected to the hobby. I love planning / decorating parties / events and I don't care what anyone says, I LOVE this business. I've tried to quit many times but I just can't let go. I've helped a well known Carolina hobbyist and very dear friend (Hobbyexec) host a few in the carolinas and they were fun & beneficial. Would Jacksonville men be interested in attending meet & greets? Inbox me your feelings.[/QUOTE]
Speaking of plausible deniability.
I have long wondered why more people don't take advantage of the artistic exception. Apparently you can contract for sex acts if you record them. Get a business license as a production company, have some bullshit model releases on hand, set up a camera & have at it. Viola! Constitutionally protected "speech"!
There has got to be something wrong with this idea, right? Could it really be that easy?
Wondering aloud here.
Well sure that would be great if
[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2577793]This is the main reason why I try to educate girls about the importance of NOT discussing service details. People must understand that a criminal history will fruck up your future in more ways than one. You're a young woman and you should be very concerned about your future. As you so eloquently mentioned and I have also said this to many ladies, one day you might want to stop doing this escort thing, go to college and get a decent job; put all this behind you. You don't want the remnants of this hobby to come back to bite you in your future. We live in a very judgmental country and they do hold this stuff against you. A lot of people (especially the providers) don't know that in your life time, really depends on the state you got caught in a sting, you can only seal one criminal record. Unfortunately, states like New York, last I heard, you can't EVER seal a record which means potential employers get to see your past for the rest of your life! Most people aren't interested in having this conversation but will realize how important it is when they are out trying to find a job but keep getting turned down because of their criminal history. Care now so you won't have to pay for ignorance later! Anyway sweetheart, it's all about protecting you! What do I mean by this. When silly guys call or text or whatever medium they chose and start discussing service details and money, I'd hang up or stop communicating with them in a heartbeat. Now don't misunderstand me, some guys just don't know any better; but their IGNORANCE isn't your problems. No sense in you getting jammed up because they don't know any better. When you place your donation in your ad, this is very smart because it removes the need to talk about donations. Of course in your ad (not sure you do this) but I always tell girls to say the donation is for my time and companionship ONLY. Now, I'm going to put my next recommendation by itself so other women can also understand:
However way you want to identify this in your ad (for example #1 or letter A, etc.) but definitely the first line in the ad so they (clients) see it immediately, I would say: (A) or (1) I do not discuss service details in person, on the phone, via text or email. If you do, I will immediately END the session!
The reason I did it like this is because many girls tend to write a lot of USELESS verbiage in their ad's. Most people aren't going to read a lot of verbiage anyway as this is not a reading course. The verbiage should be as sparse as possible. Never say too much but enough to PROTECT you! Most ad's talk about how wonderful and great they are and how you will be calling their name forever! Truth of the matter is, most don't live up to the hype! If a girl is that great, let it be known in your actions not your words (Most guys are only concerned about seeing nice pix, donations, and a contact number; the rest is rubbish)! The above would be the first line I place in my ad; in fact, in the subject heading, I might say," please READ letter A or number 1 first before you contact me. This way, they will understand RIGHT AWAY how biz is to be conducted. I try to tell guys on here that their first appointment with a girl SHOULD NOT consist of discussing service details. Let that be either in your second meeting or after the ceremony of the first meeting because you put these ladies in some very DIFFICULT predicaments when you try to make them discuss service details. In most cases, we know if a lady is legit (like Pristine, by her reviews) but they don't know if we are legit, so I think we should work with them in this way. Plus, this will keep you guys out of jail as well. Some of the girls we see, in fact most, don't have reviews so WHY are we trying to get a list of sex do and don'ts from them in a first conversation? You are potentially incriminating yourself!
Anyway, sorry to rant a bit here but it's important we all stay safe as one day we are going to want to walk away from this so-called hobby and when you do, what will be on your record? How badly did you mess up your future job prospects? There was a guy on the SWer thread who picked up a girl and went to a certain location with her. Once there, they commenced to doing their thing. LEO came upon them and before they were made to vacate the car, the SWer threw her drugs in his back seat. The gentleman said now he is out of tens of thousands of dollars trying to clear his name now and the girl did not own up to the drugs being hers! Wonder why not?! Do you blame her? Pristine and others who might read this, PROTECT yourself! Look out for number one; YOU! Unfortunately, much of this advice falls on deaf ears! If it will help, as far as my credibility is concerned, I have been in about 5 prostitution stings and have never gotten arrested for solicitation. Why? Because I knew what to do and what not to do! I just didn't get away by chance ya know!
I don't tell people these things because I'm happy about what I do. I tell them these things because, as I mentioned, one day when I walk away from this, I don't want any remnants of it to affect my life forever![/QUOTE]Thats all well and fine to not discuss any services rendered until the second or third time you see a provider, but that only works IF you have enough money to waste to go & see chic after chic, week after week. Most of these chics aren't even worth going to see one time, much less a second or third time. How the hell does a man KNOW exactly WHAT he is getting for his money. If he doesn't ask what is and what isn't offered on the first visit? What if he wants to do a specific fetish or Greek but the chic doesn't render those services?? Now he done wasted his time AND gas coming all the way clear across town to see this chic, just to get there and be told "no, I don't do this or that" and then has to turn around and leave because the chic doesn't offer the specific services he wants. That's like going into something blindly and who the hell wants to do that?? Better yet, that's like getting hired on a new job, but waiting until you get your second paycheck to find out exactly how much you're getting paid and what benefits the company offer. Uhhh, hello?? You suppose to find that out during the interview, not after getting hired! As far as giving donations, cardinal rule number 1 is NEVER pay upfront on the first time, period. No matter if the chic has 50 million good reviews! There is nothing wrong with counting the donation out in front of her so she can see you've got the donation and the full amount, but she must WORK FIRST, then get paid! If they can't agree to that, I wouldn't even waste my gas coming to see them.
Now as far as Ms Chase is concerned, some random dipshit jackass ripped her off here and that azzhole just made it harder for other guys here. However, I can't say that I feel sorry for her, considering the fact that she does have a review from Dec 2013 on ThE otheR site where a guy stated he paid for the PSE experience and that it was a waste of money and he didn't get to do Greek. (Hound88's review). I be dam if I cough up the cash to pay for PSE and I don't get to do Greek. That in itself has made me not want to see her.
You know, with all the fronts
[QUOTE=Voltron94;2578018]So you could probably post an ad saying the shirt colors and prices, and clients could figure it out by the ranges. But how would anyone know what is on the menu? And why is a travelling t-shirt salesperson posting ads with escort ads? And why are cheap plain t-shirts so much money? And why does the t-shirt salesperson have condoms & lube? And why are they selling to clients one-on-one out of a hotel, instead of a shop, or online? And why do t-shirt sales take 15-60 minutes, when there are only 3 shirts? The whole front falls apart under scrutiny.
The sugar baby thing is really the best front for pay-for-play there is, because it is virtually indistinguishable from a dating relationship. It plays in the grey area. The only way to get busted on that is an outright discussion of pay-for-play terms being recorded or documented.
Massage therapy, stripping, nude modeling, & boudoir photography can also be decent fronts. If you're going the travelling salesperson route, I'd suggest something like lingerie & sex toys. At least then you could explain the presence of condoms & lube, the need for discreet / private meetings, incall / outcall meetings, and even ad placement. The provider could even have a "sales kit" for modeling & demonstration, and clients simply place orders with her. Any explicit discussion of menu & pricing could still bury you though.[/QUOTE]They try to create, it's funny that most of them (escorts) don't get the most basic method of avoiding an arrest for prostitution. It's simple: don't discuss ANY TYPE of sex act for money or something of monetary value. This is by far the best way (not necessarily fool-proof) to avoid such problems because even if LEO arrest you anyway, if you hire any attorney worth their salt, they can get it thrown out. No prosecutor wants to take a weak as hens piss case to trial knowing the outcome very well favors the defendant. This they (providers) never seem to get!
