Along with the 15,000 Americans and 80,000 Afghan allies abandoned in Afghanistan, we are completely fucked.
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Along with the 15,000 Americans and 80,000 Afghan allies abandoned in Afghanistan, we are completely fucked.
[QUOTE=ComTech42;5505064]The worst President ever conducting the worst foreign policy blunder ever. Cut the Trump blaming. Joe Biden has been in charge since January.
The United States has elected the VILLAGE IDOIT as PRESIDENT.[/QUOTE]This has not been a shining moment for President Biden and our country in general.
But to assume that everything was in order for a 1 May withdrawal date is being naive to the extreme. Let's give credit where credit is due, namely to President Biden and former President Trump.
[QUOTE=Bullett64;5504628]Operation El Dorado canyon ... and Desert storm[/QUOTE]I don't know how these posts are edited, but the names of Operational Orders (OPORN's) and Operational Plans (OPLAN's,) are properly capitalized, hence Operation "ELDORADO CANYON" (all caps), and Operation "DESERT STORM" (also all caps.).
[QUOTE=Bullett64;5505177]This has not been a shining moment for President Biden and our country in general.
But to assume that everything was in order for a 1 May withdrawal date is being naive to the extreme. Let's give credit where credit is due, namely to President Biden and former President Trump.[/QUOTE]The United States is on the verge of collapse. We elect people who tell us what we want to hear and enrich themselves. We are infected with political correctness and avoid the truth. We refuse to admit Islam is a political force whose goal is to rule the world.
[QUOTE=ComTech42;5505518]The United States is on the verge of collapse. We elect people who tell us what we want to hear and enrich themselves. We are infected with political correctness and avoid the truth. .[/QUOTE]Interesting. Your second sentence is the very definition of "Donald Trump. ".
As for the imminent collapse of the country. No its not. We are definitely going through some growing pains, but we will survive Biden just as we survived Trump. " You give the average US citizen far too little credit. We will adapt to changing situations as they present themselves.
The biggest threat to the democracy that I see isn' a takeover by Islam, but internal conflict caused by out of control political polarization. As the world famous philosopher, Pogo once said, "We have met the enemy, and he are us. ".
Want to help with salvation of the country? Stop being a right-wing fanatic and try actually listening to other points of view.
[QUOTE=ComTech42;5505518]The United States is on the verge of collapse. [/QUOTE]Sorry, I forgot to ask. When do you see this collapse happening so I can mark my calendar?
As I've said many times, you really need to look at the data from other countries to get a more realistic view. I would trust the data coming from Israel much more than the data coming from here as 1) they are months ahead of us on the vaccination campaign and have much more advanced data, and 2) they have not shown the propensity to make nearly as many stupid and intentionally misleading statements as the disinformation campaign that this administration has embarked on. That said, I think the data has always shown the vaccines have utility in symptomatic amelioration. This may make them worthwhile for the elderly or people with underlying conditions, but it certainly does not justify a mass vaccination campaign, and certainly not for children. Here's a more in-depth study from Israel that lays out the Pfizer vaccine's effectivness against "severe illness":
[URL]https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-covid-graphs-prove-vaccines-works-delta-pfizer-1.10101640[/URL]
I note this:
"For those under the age of 60, the rate of severe illness among the unvaccinated stood at 2. 4 cases per 100,000 people – 2. 7 times more than the 0. 9 per 100,000 among those who are fully vaccinated. " Now, I'm not denying the vaccines show effectiveness against "severe illness", and even for this age bracket, 2. 7 x is nothing to scoff at. However, unless I miscalculate that, the % rate for severe illness for the unvaccinated for those under 60 stands at. 0024%! Even for those 70-79, where the factor goes to 10 x, the risk would be. 0208%. And that is only "severe illness", not death. That's practically nothing, and for me, does not warrant the risk of taking the vaccine, with its unknown long-term effects, and its known short-term risks. Others should be free to assess their own risks, although the risk that these vaccines are leading to variants by their leaky nature should be factored into that equation.
I think history will eventually show this pandemic is being terribly mismanaged, and the long-term effects will be suffered for years to come (in several different fashions).
[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5503446]Based on comparing FT's numbers to CDC's figures on breakthrough cases, from July 12th to August 6th we've had 6,343 people die of Covid-19, of which 366 (5. 7%) were fully vaccinated. 16 times as many unvaccinated died as vaccinated, even though as of now the population is evenly divided between vaccinated and unvaccinated, even though the unvaccinated population is significantly younger and healthier than the vaccinated population. Its almost like... Vaccines work or something.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bullett64;5505625]Interesting. Your second sentence is the very definition of "Donald Trump. ".
As for the imminent collapse of the country. No its not. We are definitely going through some growing pains, but we will survive Biden just as we survived Trump. " You give the average US citizen far too little credit. We will adapt to changing situations as they present themselves.
The biggest threat to the democracy that I see isn' a takeover by Islam, but internal conflict caused by out of control political polarization. As the world famous philosopher, Pogo once said, "We have met the enemy, and he are us. ".
Want to help with salvation of the country? Stop being a right-wing fanatic and try actually listening to other points of view.[/QUOTE]Damn good advice!
[QUOTE=Bullett64;5505625]Interesting. Your second sentence is the very definition of "Donald Trump. ".
As for the imminent collapse of the country. No its not. We are definitely going through some growing pains, but we will survive Biden just as we survived Trump. " You give the average US citizen far too little credit. We will adapt to changing situations as they present themselves.
The biggest threat to the democracy that I see isn' a takeover by Islam, but internal conflict caused by out of control political polarization. As the world famous philosopher, Pogo once said, "We have met the enemy, and he are us. ".
Want to help with salvation of the country? Stop being a right-wing fanatic and try actually listening to other points of view.[/QUOTE]Never said imminent. Do not put words in my mouth. I hope you are correct. I hope we rally an correct our mistakes. I must agree with the Britts.
They gave the Village idiot a Corner in Hyde Park to Bloviate. The US elected our VILLAGE IDIOT PRESIDENT.
Regardless of how many ways it was proven you all still would not believe it. Several military from his admin have states the same.
[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5504377]Yea right, he had a brilliant plan. He just forgot to inform those responsible for carrying it out.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5503699]President Trump's Plan.
First. Get our Embassy Staff out.
Next. Get all Americans and Allies (non-Afghani's out).
Next. Get our working and repairable military equipment out.
Next. Get our Afghani Allies out.
Next. Last of the military leave.
But UnPresidential Biden would not even consider following something President Trump's administration wrote.
Don't be a sucker.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5505983]Regardless of how many ways it was proven you all still would not believe it. Several military from his admin have states the same.[/QUOTE]And no matter how many times you say it, that doesn't "prove" it. I am all for the truth and a proof one way or the other would be great. Please help us all out and give some citations (from credible sources would be swell) that shed some light on who these military might be and what they said.
I think a lot of us would like better information. I now I would and you seem to have it. Please share.
[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5505983]Regardless of how many ways it was proven you all still would not believe it. Several military from his admin have states the same.[/QUOTE]Trump's plan included. Should the Taliban not co-operate fully. The US would respond with massive force until they did. The world including the Taliban knew President Trump meant what he said. The world also knows Joe Biden is a spineless Puppet.
[QUOTE=ComTech42;5505518]The United States is on the verge of collapse. [/QUOTE]You're probably right. Even after trillions of dollars printed, latest consumer sentiment numbers are the lowest in 10 years. GFC was 10 years ago. Future economic expectations are also lowest in 10 years. Bonus UE benefits end in 2 weeks. Inflation hasn't been this high in 20 years. Mortgage rates then were 10%. If inflation continues and rates need to rise accordingly, the monthly payment for good credit on a $120 k home will be the same as is for todays $600 k home. Even after trillions printed GDP estimates are being lowered. Inflation growing faster then the economy. Stagflation destroys an economy built on ZIRP and ever rising paper assets. The Biden admin has shown the world its inability or reluctance to project US power even when the lives of 10 k+ Americans and 80 k+ Afghan allies are at extreme risk. Winning WW II and the destruction of Europe's manuf capabilities gave the US the benefit of the US dollar being the worlds reserve currency creating a constant demand for the currency and an estimated profit of nearly 1 trillion annually. If the US continues to print such massive amounts of dollars and is no longer capable or willing to project their power, why should reserve currency status remain? If that goes, collapse is too mild of a term for what will happen to US.
[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5505707]As I've said many times, you really need to look at the data from other countries to get a more realistic view. I would trust the data coming from Israel much more than the data coming from here as 1) they are months ahead of us on the vaccination campaign and have much more advanced data, and 2) they have not shown the propensity to make nearly as many stupid and intentionally misleading statements as the disinformation campaign that this administration has embarked on. That said, I think the data has always shown the vaccines have utility in symptomatic amelioration. This may make them worthwhile for the elderly or people with underlying conditions, but it certainly does not justify a mass vaccination campaign, and certainly not for children. Here's a more in-depth study from Israel that lays out the Pfizer vaccine's effectivness against "severe illness":
[URL]https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-covid-graphs-prove-vaccines-works-delta-pfizer-1.10101640[/URL]
I note this:
"For those under the age of 60, the rate of severe illness among the unvaccinated stood at 2. 4 cases per 100,000 people 2. 7 times more than the 0. 9 per 100,000 among those who are fully vaccinated. " Now, I'm not denying the vaccines show effectiveness against "severe illness", and even for this age bracket, 2. 7 x is nothing to scoff at. However, unless I miscalculate that, the % rate for severe illness for the unvaccinated for those under 60 stands at. 0024%! Even for those 70-79, where the factor goes to 10 x, the risk would be. 0208%. And that is only "severe illness", not death. That's practically nothing, and for me, does not warrant the risk of taking the vaccine, with its unknown long-term effects, and its known short-term risks. Others should be free to assess their own risks, although the risk that these vaccines are leading to variants by their leaky nature should be factored into that equation.
I think history will eventually show this pandemic is being terribly mismanaged, and the long-term effects will be suffered for years to come (in several different fashions).[/QUOTE]Every credible source I can find indicates a mortality rate for non-elderly adults like 100 times higher than your claimed serious illness rate. The facts are the facts. One you start cherrypicking only the sources that most align with your views, while taking them out of context in ways that might be misunderstanding what they are talking about, you aren't dealing with facts anymore. Of which speaking of the facts are that there are no known serious short or long term consequences for the vaccine despite 100's of millions of shots given out, but direct demonstrable short and long term effects for the disease proper, the latter of which gets more dire with each passing day.
Do you have the actual math you used to derive your numbers? Because frankly I don't think its possible for it to have been derived from the data there. You need more than just serious illness rates by age and vaccination, you are also need to know the population by age and vaccination rates by age as well, probably also the overall case rate by age as well. Its also fundamentally an exercise in futile because Israel's cases are spiking dramatically (new cases per 100 k doubled in the last 10 days) and there will be an inherent and uncertain time delay between when cases happen and when serious illness, hospitalization, and death happen due to those cases.
Meanwhile I see you are continuing to play the 100% selfishness card and be completely indifferent to how being unvaccinated makes more likely to spread it to more vulnerable people. Its pathetic how far the USA has fallen, from the days in which people willingly volunteered to fight in WWII despite the major risks to life and limb it imposed, to people unwilling to accept the safest most effective and natural form of healthcare possible even if only to ensure their grandpa doesn't die a painful death as they gargle on fluid filled lungs. I bet that these same people don't have the slightest concern about medication or surgery that are far less safe. There are literally people taking cow dewormers, a product with no known healthcare benefits Covid-19 or otherwise and untested on humans, rather than just take the friggin vaccine. Its madness.
[QUOTE=ComTech42;5506513]Trump's plan included. Should the Taliban not co-operate fully. The US would respond with massive force until they did. The world including the Taliban knew President Trump meant what he said. The world also knows Joe Biden is a spineless Puppet.[/QUOTE]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA!
NO!
[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/[/URL]
After making that deal the Taliban continue to care out attacks and Trump did NOTHING about it, do your research better next time. 😂.