Sugarbabies?

Fake Chinese profiles are now in nearly every market in the US. They may list themselves as Asian or Mixed. All of them use fake pics. Say they don't need allowance as they are self sustaining. Looking for friendships or love. Say they have a company in US and are here on business. Or, say they live here, invest in currency exchange or crypto. Ask your name. Then ask what your job is. After that its blah blah. Any pics they send are not from US if you look at enough of them and close enough. Here is an example of such a profile (while it lasts)

https://members.seeking.com/member/33f57e21-acfa-4d60-8b83-78e98f9b9756

[QUOTE=WarlockKy;5765476][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6231e641-4a2e-4ed0-a4e1-ec82a9aec021[/URL]

Was talking to this one last year and she ghosted before the MnG.

She sent me a text Friday wanting to pick up where we left off.

Anyone have any info?

For some reason I seem to remember somebody posting a wave off due to problems with her BF but I can't seem to find it.[/QUOTE]I had some interaction with her last year. At first she claimed to be on my side of town (the east side). Was very eager to set something up.

But of course it couldn't be that simple. Then she was in Franklin or Monroe (someplace north of Cincy) and was "stranded" there by some improbable circumstance.

I politely broke off contact. Something seemed not entirely aboveboard.

[QUOTE=WanderingAbout;5765556]Fake Chinese profiles are now in nearly every market in the US. They may list themselves as Asian or Mixed. All of them use fake pics. Say they don't need allowance as they are self sustaining. Looking for friendships or love. Say they have a company in US and are here on business. Or, say they live here, invest in currency exchange or crypto. Ask your name. Then ask what your job is. After that its blah blah. Any pics they send are not from US if you look at enough of them and close enough. Here is an example of such a profile (while it lasts)

https://members.seeking.com/member/33f57e21-acfa-4d60-8b83-78e98f9b9756[/QUOTE]I sometimes mess with them by messaging in garbled English, or with questions like, "How much wood could a woodchuck chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

If you engage with them at all, waste as much of their time as possible.

What about OF? That didn't exist circa 2000.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;5756393]I tend to agree. The online ladies were a byproduct of the COVID pandemic, and COVID provided a semi-plausible excuse for that. COVID (fingers crossed) seems to be in its last wave.

As for rates: When I first joined Seeking in 2011, I was getting hot college girls for $200.

What's driving the high prices, IMO, is what's driving the high price of everything: There is a real labor shortage and anyone who wants to make some extra money can get a signing bonus at McDonalds or Kroger.

This decreases the number of women entering the hobby. If you look at the girls on Tryst, almost all of them are still pre-pandemic girls. You've seen the conversations in the other threads about washed-up, over-the-hill providers asking (and in some cases, getting) $400.

Prices will levelize when the labor market levelizes.

I have seen this happen before. At the height of the dotcom boom, circa 2000, very average women were asking for $400. (There was no Seeking then, but there were escort sites.) This was because unemployment was at 3%.

After the implosion of the housing bubble in 2007 to 2009, there was a rush of new girls into the hobby. Seeking also started around this time, and there were a lot of options on the market.

The bottom line is that because of supply and demand conditions, you currently have an imbalance in the marketplace. We may never get back to hot college girls for $200, but prices will at some point stabilize, and even back off.

This is also a good time to take a hiatus, if you've been thinking about taking one. Come back in 6 months or a year and things will probably be better.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CreamPieGuy543;5765645]What about OF? That didn't exist circa 2000.[/QUOTE]I think that the number of women who can make serious money selling visual / electronic content is extremely small and always will be. The profitability of porn has been declining for two decades, because so much of it is available for free.

The clients of escorts and sugar babies won't automatically become buyers of visual-only content. I spend thousands of dollars each year on sugar babies and / or escorts. I probably haven't spent a thousand dollars on porn and nude photos in my *entire life*. And that's going all the way back to the first Playboy I purchased in King Kwik in the summer of 1983, when I was still in my teens.

There are some generational differences here. Millennial guys seem to be more into porn, partly because it was more widely available when they were growing up in the early 2000's. (In the 1980's, when I was an adolescent, it was much harder to obtain.).

But even in the 1980's, there were the 1-900 phone sex lines, which are roughly equivalent to the cam shows of today. The phone sex lines had a very limited appeal, even then.

I called a phone sex line myself one afternoon after school in 1984. I got bored in about two minutes. (But I did get in trouble when the charge showed up on my parents' phone bill that month.).

Let's face it: most women who want to make serious money at this are going to have to put out. The supply and demand conditions simply don't favor the pic sellers and the "online only" girls.

A sugar baby with a couple of arrangements has the potential to make more money in two to four hours a week than they can working as a waitress, for Amazon, in retail, and a wide variety of other jobs. Certainly more than they'll make then doing at 0F which takes a lot of time and effort to build a following using a variety of social media plus customer service. Stripping might be faster money. Even that can be iffy. Sugaring with a longterm arrangement is a win.

Agree with below and entire post.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;5765983]Let's face it: most women who want to make serious money at this are going to have to put out. The supply and demand conditions simply don't favor the pic sellers and the "online only" girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WanderingAbout;5766389]A sugar baby with a couple of arrangements has the potential to make more money in two to four hours a week than they can working as a waitress, for Amazon, in retail, and a wide variety of other jobs. Certainly more than they'll make then doing at 0F which takes a lot of time and effort to build a following using a variety of social media plus customer service. Stripping might be faster money. Even that can be iffy. Sugaring with a longterm arrangement is a win.

Agree with below and entire post.[/QUOTE]If you think of "win" as purely monetary, then yes. However, to the girls who haven't committed themselves 100% to sex work, OF and "online only / platonic" relationships, although less lucrative and more work than escorting, does allow them to preserve some of their dignity. "They looked, but they didn't touch. ", will be the crutch that they will rely on when looking back at this period in their lives.

Sugar babies, and escorts, and online-only-girls, have a whole lot in common. But what they don't have in common can sometimes mean the difference between self-love and self-loathing. For that little bit of difference, some girls will give up income if only to be able to tell themselves, "I am not a hooker, and I have never been a hooker. ". To them, that's a win.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;5765611]I had some interaction with her last year. At first she claimed to be on my side of town (the east side). Was very eager to set something up.

But of course it couldn't be that simple. Then she was in Franklin or Monroe (someplace north of Cincy) and was "stranded" there by some improbable circumstance.

I politely broke off contact. Something seemed not entirely aboveboard.[/QUOTE]She reached out to me as well. Sent some photos that depicted a hellacious but tattooed body and a pussy that looked virginal from the back. I'm supposed to be meeting her but haven't heard from her yet today so I'm making more mundane plans.

Thanks for the info.

OHprincess is Jessica, the infamous GPS Galla girl well reviewed on here and last talked about in post #6221 and #6218, must have two profiles as she is also on SA as BabygirlfromOH.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/397e3106-6676-42dc-948a-579fb911a6ae[/URL]

Siren96 300 ppm Open-minded Lives in NKY.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/eb361818-a4b4-464c-9c3e-5f472b9ec61d[/URL]

Sugarspice update. Still 500 ppH. Escort for sure. BBJ. No Cim. CFS. One goal score allowed then done.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/147de34a-bd16-4592-85e9-db9625dc7870[/URL]

FitnessFreak wants 700 ppm and is a total waste of time. You'll have a more informative conversation with your shoe.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/003a91de-c7c9-4255-b92c-cf66ba27803f[/URL]

Littlesweetheart Well reviewed professional SB is prego and almost to delivery date. Still working SA mostly pimping her online pics. If you can afford her. She does take it in the back.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6f49f92d-8245-4a35-83f0-13537459bffb[/URL]

It's a lazy way to make easy money. I doubt it's very much. I would imagine a lot of girls on seeking have an * as a side hustle. I have never and will never buy pics but there are those guys out there who do. Pic collectors. To me pics mean absolutely nothing unless you sealed the deal.

Speaking of millennials, the one thing us older guys have is that the younger girls would rather deal with us than young guys with all their insecurity issues that comes with social media and growing up with porn. There is something to be said about figuring it out as you go, LOL.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;5765983]I think that the number of women who can make serious money selling visual / electronic content is extremely small and always will be. The profitability of porn has been declining for two decades, because so much of it is available for free.

The clients of escorts and sugar babies won't automatically become buyers of visual-only content. I spend thousands of dollars each year on sugar babies and / or escorts. I probably haven't spent a thousand dollars on porn and nude photos in my *entire life*. And that's going all the way back to the first Playboy I purchased in King Kwik in the summer of 1983, when I was still in my teens.

There are some generational differences here. Millennial guys seem to be more into porn, partly because it was more widely available when they were growing up in the early 2000's. (In the 1980's, when I was an adolescent, it was much harder to obtain.).

But even in the 1980's, there were the 1-900 phone sex lines, which are roughly equivalent to the cam shows of today. The phone sex lines had a very limited appeal, even then.

I called a phone sex line myself one afternoon after school in 1984. I got bored in about two minutes. (But I did get in trouble when the charge showed up on my parents' phone bill that month.).

Let's face it: most women who want to make serious money at this are going to have to put out. The supply and demand conditions simply don't favor the pic sellers and the "online only" girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WanderingAbout;5766389]A sugar baby with a couple of arrangements has the potential to make more money in two to four hours a week than they can working as a waitress, for Amazon, in retail, and a wide variety of other jobs. Certainly more than they'll make then doing at 0F which takes a lot of time and effort to build a following using a variety of social media plus customer service. Stripping might be faster money. Even that can be iffy. Sugaring with a longterm arrangement is a win.

Agree with below and entire post.[/QUOTE]Just a comment, I have meet tons of girl in healthcare on SA, STNA, LPNs, Nurses, Admin Support, just lots of medical workers, some married too. LOL.

SugarSpice on SA is also HarlyQuinn on WYP. There are recent posts about her. Use search. Her pics are below.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/147de34a-bd16-4592-85e9-db9625dc7870[/URL]

[URL]https://members.whatsyourprice.com/profile/rZy1ga285vp1pawAd9Pvjxbo[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5456f1bb-a054-4bf2-aef0-c86257211af7[/URL]

This one has had at least two profiles since January.

I have a firm rule nowadays: I don't make plans with anyone without a videochat first. I've been catfished several times. I have also made inconveniently long drives for no call, no show girls. Therefore, I use the video chat to make sure that the pictures match the girl, and that I am dealing with someone who will likely be reliable.

I have contacted and been contacted by this girl from at least two of her profiles since the beginning of the year. Her phone number has also changed since January.

I have made four or five attempts to get her to get on the Seeking video chat. She should have no qualms about this, because she clearly shows her face in her profile. (I, on the other hand, do not show my face in my profile, and I would think that she would want to see me before making an appointment.).

At least four or five times now, she has bailed on the video chat, and has been very dodgy about when she might be able to actually get on her video cam to verify herself. She always tries to steer me towards scheduling an appointment. I'm like, you have time to meet somewhere, but you don't have five minutes to verify yourself on your video cam?

It could be that she's simply flaky. Or she could be a scammer I'm not sure what is going on. But there does seem to be something suspicious about this one. If anyone has any info, by all means let me know. Thanks.

[QUOTE=WanderingAbout;5766721]OHprincess is Jessica, the infamous GPS Galla girl well reviewed on here and last talked about in post #6221 and #6218, must have two profiles as she is also on SA as BabygirlfromOH.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/397e3106-6676-42dc-948a-579fb911a6ae[/URL]

Siren96 300 ppm Open-minded Lives in NKY.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/eb361818-a4b4-464c-9c3e-5f472b9ec61d[/URL]

Sugarspice update. Still 500 ppH. Escort for sure. BBJ. No Cim. CFS. One goal score allowed then done.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/147de34a-bd16-4592-85e9-db9625dc7870[/URL]

FitnessFreak wants 700 ppm and is a total waste of time. You'll have a more informative conversation with your shoe.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/003a91de-c7c9-4255-b92c-cf66ba27803f[/URL]

Littlesweetheart Well reviewed professional SB is prego and almost to delivery date. Still working SA mostly pimping her online pics. If you can afford her. She does take it in the back.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6f49f92d-8245-4a35-83f0-13537459bffb[/URL][/QUOTE]The one in the pic what's her rate?

25% off their higher price for Valentines Day.

You think they'd rather have people subscribe for a term longer than a month at a lower price than jumping on and off for a month, as I only get a subscription when they run a special.