[QUOTE=Jrody1;5483047]"If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself..[/QUOTE]You are living proof of this.
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[QUOTE=Jrody1;5483047]"If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself..[/QUOTE]You are living proof of this.
[QUOTE=Jrody1;5483047]If you know nothing about abstracts and the semantics within. Please shut. The. Fuck. Up. But you're entitled to your own opinion. "let me knit pick a portion of a whole entire study on pregnant women. Boomshakalaka" face ass. The fuck? Oh my gosh you got me man. You destroyed the precedent that I presented based on a group study with no facts. So smart. ROFL. [/QUOTE]You drunk?
So, should I "shut the fuck up" or am I entitled to my own opinion? (If you're going to contradict yourself, it's better not to do it in back to back comments).
Oh, and it's "nitpick", unless you're working on an afghan.
All things considered, you seemed to have mastered middle school name calling and texting acronyms.
Understanding science, data analysis, reasoning, common sense. There's still some work to do.
A woman recently lost her child thirty days after getting the Covid vaccine. This is a tragic event and I deeply sympathize with her loss. However, I have seen no evidence that directly relates the two events other than her parents said it must be true. It is intellectually bankrupt to create a cause and effect relationship between the two events without all the factors involved. What else happened in her life that might have caused this tragedy? Did anything at all happen? After all, miscarriages are a fact of life and can frequently never be attributed to ANY specific reason. My wife had three of them before we were able to have a child. That was years before Covid even existed. So what do I blame?
Two men in Atlanta were hit by a train and killed recently. If they had their vaccines two weeks earlier was it the vaccine that killed them or the train?
This is serious stuff and people's lives are in the balance. Spewing abject bullshit is not helping. If you have a serious, science-backed fact to share with the world, please be my guest. If, however, you are passing on something you read on [URL]LooneyTunes.com[/URL], please consider the source before you introduce it to other people as gullible as you are. Their lives depend on it.
[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/get-the-vaccine-28-year-old-atlanta-man-who-died-of-covid-19-has-heartbreaking-last-message/ar-AAN58S7?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531[/URL]
Here is one conspiracy theory believer who changed his mind. But too late. Please don't be the next one.
[QUOTE=Bullett64;5486820]A woman recently lost her child thirty days after getting the Covid vaccine. This is a tragic event and I deeply sympathize with her loss. However, I have seen no evidence that directly relates the two events other than her parents said it must be true. It is intellectually bankrupt to create a cause and effect relationship between the two events without all the factors involved. What else happened in her life that might have caused this tragedy? Did anything at all happen? After all, miscarriages are a fact of life and can frequently never be attributed to ANY specific reason. My wife had three of them before we were able to have a child. That was years before Covid even existed. So what do I blame?
Two men in Atlanta were hit by a train and killed recently. If they had their vaccines two weeks earlier was it the vaccine that killed them or the train?
This is serious stuff and people's lives are in the balance. Spewing abject bullshit is not helping. If you have a serious, science-backed fact to share with the world, please be my guest. If, however, you are passing on something you read on [URL]LooneyTunes.com[/URL], please consider the source before you introduce it to other people as gullible as you are. Their lives depend on it.[/QUOTE]Info gets turned and twisted. It's up to us to try and find the truth and then share it, but you can't make others accept it, regardless of how true it may be.
When I saw the 82% miscarriage rate, I had to read the paper. Here is what I found in the NEJM:
35,691 vaccinated pregnant women. 3,958 volunteered to participate in the V-safe Pregnancy Registry, which included:
1,132 women vaccinated in the 1st trimester.
1,714 women vaccinated in the 2nd trimester.
1,019 women vaccinated in the 3rd trimester.
Among 827 women who completed a pregnancy, 700 women received their first dose in the 3rd trimester. The author from ([URL]www.thegoodlylawfulsociety.org[/URL]) the googly site states that, since 827 women were in the 3rd trimester group, the remaining 127 women are from the 1st trimester group. Could the be from the 1st and 2nd trimester groups? Maybe. His math IS correct, in that, 104 women of 127 women had spontaneous abortions (82%) in the 1st trimester group, BUT that is only from 127 women who wanted to participated, not of the total 1,132 women in the 1st trimester vaccinated group. It's like saying: I am going to shoot 100 free throws. On the first 10 shots I make 8 of them (80% But on the next 90 shots I make 40 of them. Do I need to consider the other 90 shots? It looks like I'm just a 48% free throw shooter. Table 4 of the NEJM paper states that incidences that occurred within the pregnant vaccinated women are similar to the published data of pregnant women.
For the record, it's extremely hard to get patient follow-ups, especially if nothing serious occurs.
The only solid fact I can gather about vaccine is that after vaccine is available, the death rate is way down, not only in USA, but in all countries that have the vaccines. This is the only statistics I believe in, the other assumptions by lots of people are all influenced by bias and beliefs.
[URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/08/delta-has-changed-pandemic-endgame/619726/?utm_source=pocket-newtab[/URL]
A somewhat lengthy, well-reasoned, unemotional article on where we are in the COVID pandemic and what the future will look like.
Its NOT for the right-wing Looney Tunes crowd.
That article is not well-reasoned at all, and I'm not a right-wing looney tune. The article is full of holes and comes at everything with the supposition that vaccines are the answer, but provides no supporting evidence to prove those assumptions. Merely making statements as facts doesn't make them so, although I admit most people are gullible enough to accept that. I got halfway through the article before deciding it wasn't even worth reading, because it's so full of false statements and assertions that it wasn't worth wasting more time on. I think you're a reasonable person, so I say this in that spirit, but I think you really should do some further research and data mining, including studying data from other countries, and I think it will be clear why I'm making the statements I do above.
I'll give you just a couple quick examples- the article gives all the credit for the decline of the Covid rates to the vaccination campaign. There's absolutely no evidence to support that, and that can be seen by examining the data from other countries where vaccinations did not take place, and similar declines happened as well. Now that the rates are rising, he excuses the vaccines by saying, oh well, things have changed. So the vaccines get all the credit when things are going well, but are excused when things are not going well. They can't lose! The vaccines may have merits, as well as problems, but let's discuss those honestly, instead of trying to censor everything and create such a one-sided narrative toward the ever-so-obvious end game of forced vaccinations that could be seen coming a mile away. Why are we not talking about why 12 of the 13 most highly-vaccinated countries are on the do not travel lsits, and have some of the highest rates right now? Why is no one talking about the disastrous situation in India anymore? Could it be that because India, with its 7% vaccination rate, has seen Covid case and death rates plunge by 90%? Oh, I guess they can't credit that to the vaccines, so they'd rather not talk about it. Don't you see something wrong with the censoring of information that is going on? Only the information that supports the narrative is being presented. That is not science, and that is not the way we will learn.
Another example of inaccuracy in the article is the 95% hospitalization being made up of unvaccinated. These numbers stand in harsh contrast to numbers being released from other countries, and simply were not believable. Sure enough, CDC director Walensky admits she was distorting this number by using outdated data from January-June of this year, knowing full well that vaccinations didn't even start taking place for the majority of that time frame!
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/doctor-did-early-research-covid-035801303.html[/URL]
That is outright lying by omission, and I don't see how anyone can believe anything this administration says. There are many more examples of things like this- they do it over and over and over to further their agenda.
The article also makes incorrect assertions about the vaccines and the transmissibility of Covid. Shockingly, I even heard Fauci himself admit that the vaccinated could carry as high or even higher viral loads of Covid as the unvaccinated on Face the Nation, and this is why they were going back (once again) to the mask recommendations for the vaccinated. Of course, in the next breath, he contradicted himself (once again) and said everyone needs to get vaccinated to help stop the spread of the virus. This is really not new news, by the way. It's been known all along these vaccines were never designed for immunity, but only for symptomatic relief, and would therefore not prevent the spread. This is why it was so ignorant, irresponsible, and wreckless of the administration to further their agenda with their "pandemic of the unvaccinated" message. I called it out at the time, and it was proven to be true, and they had to eat crow shortly after that, admitting the vaccinated were spreading COVID. But Soros, Rabbit, etc. Blindly followed the brainwashing and party line, simply because it was the party line and they're too feeble-minded to think for themselves. Never mind that this message that the vaccinated were special and immune was total BS, and they knew it, and knew they were spreading Covid to people and risking lives. No, pay no attention to that man behind the curtain, that's not important so long as we push our vaccine agenda at all costs, lives included!
Oh, by the way, regarding our tiny-brained president (and his like-minded followers like Soros) who like to denigrate the unvaccinated, I think this study from Carnegie-Mellon showing the most highly-educated are the most vaccine-resistant, will blow what's left of his mind:
[URL]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1.full[/URL]
This administration has lost all credibility, and is the biggest bunch of liars since Cheney / Wolfowitz / Pearle. Biden is probably even more ignorant and a bigger dupe than Bush was. They are the biggest threat to our civil liberties in our lifetime. I hope the American people wake up, but I fear there's far too much apathy and ignorance.
[QUOTE=Bullett64;5496392][URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/08/delta-has-changed-pandemic-endgame/619726/?utm_source=pocket-newtab[/URL]
A somewhat lengthy, well-reasoned, unemotional article on where we are in the COVID pandemic and what the future will look like.
Its NOT for the right-wing Looney Tunes crowd.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bullett64;5496392]
Its NOT for the right-wing Looney Tunes crowd.[/QUOTE]Vaccine hesitancy in the US by education levels shows those with a PHD are the most hesitant. By race, it's blacks and Hispanics. Are PHD's, blacks and Hispanics who you refer to as the 'right-wing Looney Tunes crowd' or do you need to fine tune your prejudices?
[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5496501]Another example of inaccuracy in the article is the 95% hospitalization being made up of unvaccinated. These numbers stand in harsh contrast to numbers being released from other countries, and simply were not believable.
This administration has lost all credibility, and is the biggest bunch of liars since Cheney / Wolfowitz / Pearle. Biden is probably even more ignorant and a bigger dupe than Bush was. They are the biggest threat to our civil liberties in our lifetime. I hope the American people wake up, but I fear there's far too much apathy and ignorance.[/QUOTE]Other countries. Which other countries? Ones with similar geopolitical makeup to us or isolated Scandinavian countries with population densities that minimize virus density just by their remoteness? Or Myanmar, which has had no infections at all. Because they said so.
Don't draw your conclusions after comparing apples and pickup trucks?
Any list of liars that doesn't begin with Donald Trump shows your true colors. I sincerely hope that you come through this pandemic in good health. I also hope that you feel some responsibility to those who will not after they read the dangerous "facts" you so loosely toss out.
[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5496825]Vaccine hesitancy in the US by education levels shows those with a PHD are the most hesitant. By race, it's blacks and Hispanics. Are PHD's, blacks and Hispanics who you refer to as the 'right-wing Looney Tunes crowd' or do you need to fine tune your prejudices?[/QUOTE]I don't recall ever mentioning vaccine hesitancy. I offered an article that I believe the" right-wing Looney Tunes crowd" would either object to or not understand. I stand by that. I also think a PhD should be able to read the report and make intelligent conclusions about it. If they remain vaccine hesitant, then I will gladly defer to their personal choices, misguided as I think they will prove to be.
By jumping in with both feet over vaccine hesitancy, I am guessing that you didn't bother to read it.
I did try to save you the effort.
[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5496825]Vaccine hesitancy in the US by education levels shows those with a PHD are the most hesitant. [/QUOTE]I can't imagine any Ph. D that I know who would be opposed to the vaccine, especially any in a health care field. "Most" of them are intelligent people, from what I've experienced. Did the article mention why the doctorate crowd is allegedly so hesitant? I understand the reasons for the Black and Hispanic crowd, but the former group makes no sense.
[QUOTE=Bullett64;5496865]I don't recall ever mentioning vaccine hesitancy. I also think a PhD should be able to read the report and make intelligent conclusions about it. If they remain vaccine hesitant, then I will gladly defer to their personal choices
By jumping in with both feet over vaccine hesitancy, I am guessing that you didn't bother to read it.
I did try to save you the effort.[/QUOTE]You don't recall mentioning vaccine hesitancy but a PHD should be able to read the 'report' written by a 'science journalist you linked and make intelligent conclusions re vaccine hesitancy? How does that work?
I don't read the Atlantic. Why would I? Why would anybody? A magazine that lost $20m last year and on pace to lose same this year is obviously not a viable product. But is 70% owned by Steve Jobs widow who can afford to lose $20 m per year for 200 years before going broke. I'm sure helping us useless eaters are where her loyalties are
You're approx. 70 years old and suffer from pre-existing conditions which put you in a high risk CCP Virus mortality group. But for us Americans who are younger and healthier than you, mind your own business, don't tell us to be a guinea pig for big pharma or wear an useless mask. Don't insinuate you're more intelligent or more informed. You're not. You're just scared and more at risk then 99% of population. Maybe you should stay at home. Best of luck to you.
[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5497059]You're approx. 70 years old and suffer from pre-existing conditions which put you in a high risk CCP Virus mortality group.[/QUOTE]Which is the per-existing condition, my new knee or my old knee? The old one no longer exists and the new one isn't a condition.
But if it really concerns you, I have been vaccinated and will be one of the first in line when and if a booster is recommended. I wear a mask in crowded places so that I do not pass the virus to others and to minimize me inhaling it from those who do not. And yes, I realize that the pores in the mask are bigger than the actual virus, but I am intelligent enough to know that the virus does not travel by itself, but attached to (mostly) water vapor molecules which are big enough for the mask to stop. I wash my hands frequently. I lead an active, healthy life style, although my golf game currently sucks, and plan on doing so for many more years to come. When it comes to the health and safety of those people I come into contact with, my conscience is clear and I sleep well.
Polio, Mumps, Rubella, and like have vaccines. You get the vaccine then the odds of getting the disease is infinitesimal. The flu shot is not a vaccine because their are still great odds of getting the flu. This Covid is a shot and not a vaccine because as we all see, people can and do still get the disease. It is all part of Big Pharma and Government propaganda. Not saying whether people should or should not get it, just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of what many are being fed and happily are swallowing.
[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5497059]You don't recall mentioning vaccine hesitancy but a PHD should be able to read the 'report' written by a 'science journalist you linked and make intelligent conclusions re vaccine hesitancy? How does that work?
I don't read the Atlantic. Why would I? Why would anybody? A magazine that lost $20m last year and on pace to lose same this year is obviously not a viable product. But is 70% owned by Steve Jobs widow who can afford to lose $20 m per year for 200 years before going broke. I'm sure helping us useless eaters are where her loyalties are
You're approx. 70 years old and suffer from pre-existing conditions which put you in a high risk CCP Virus mortality group. But for us Americans who are younger and healthier than you, mind your own business, don't tell us to be a guinea pig for big pharma or wear an useless mask. Don't insinuate you're more intelligent or more informed. You're not. You're just scared and more at risk then 99% of population. Maybe you should stay at home. Best of luck to you.[/QUOTE]