"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2099053]Hit up every hot 18 to 22 year old black, mixed or latina with regular pics, no professional model pics. Just offer $$ to come straight to your room. be firm, no upsell bs, take it or leave it with a genuine smile. If you send 50 messages before you get to sleep you will have at least 5 girls ready to rock by 6 pm or sooner tomorrow. Skip the dinner and just do room service. I am really excited. Please do this so you can all tell us the day after tomorrow what bomb sex you had with a local hottie. Not a CG or BP girl.

There are girls that live there that have never even stayed on the strip. That alone can almost seal the deal.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the sound advice HollywoodGuy, I had gone downstairs to the bar area earlier after my first post and saw, for a few minutes, the CG's working. I knew then I am not made for the instant sex type of fun. So, I returned to my FC and saw your note.

I had 5 potential SB's from my acct on SA that live here. As you suggested I started emailing them for tomorrow and before I got to the 4th SB on the list, the 2nd on the list returned my email. I'll believe it when I see it but she is supposed to meet me here at the MC in about 45 minutes. I kid you not she said she was hungry and I told her great room service is 24/7. She actually liked that idea.

I'm sort of nervous as this SB is only 20 and looks even younger in her photos. Slim, mixed race japanese / white but looks more white than asian. She is 5'8" which is nice as I'm a bit tall. Not to sound strange but I'm actually physically nervous as this would be the first woman I've actually had sex with, other than my Ex, in the last 20 years.

Wow, she just called and asked if she can arrive early! Will check in tomorrow, hopefully with a successful night to share rather than "learning experiences".

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2099006]Yeah, I edited that part. because my definition of that word is just that men rule. The true dictionary definition is woman hater. But in our politically correct world its any guy that doesn't toe the extreme feminist line. SB's do have the power to walk away. And then woe is us, as we will then be stuck interviewing a bunch hot young girls to replace the one that left. Things could be worse.[/QUOTE]Oh, I think must have meant chauvinistic, in which case I am definitely guilty as charged. I'm so far at the opposite end of the spectrum from being feminist supporter that I make Andrew Dice Clay look like Phil Donahue. LOL. I have no problems objectifying women sometimes -- a lot of them enjoy being objectified and seek it out. Hell, I like to be objectified myself sometimes, I've had civy dates in the past tell they didn't even really like me much aside from enjoying sex with me and I found their comment to be both a huge complement and turn on. To them I say welcome to an alpha male's world, sweetheart.

With a lot of talk about prices lately, I thought it would be a good idea to discuss about defining your own success.

I think we all do share one common goal of getting young hot sexually open girls while not breaking the bank in the process. It's safe to say we all pretty much share that goal. But beyond that, it's important to set your own goals and you shouldn't feel pressured by the clubhouse here to adhere to a certain price structure. And if you want to go to dinner and movie with your SB don't feel ashamed about it, it's your prerogative.

It's pretty common for all new SDs to overpay in their first few months in the Sugar Bowl. The Sugar Bowl can be overwhelming at first with literally a conveyor belt of real college girls letting you have a real sex with them (not that mechanical fake shit you get from escorts) for just a few hundred dollars. But after you've been in the Bowl for a few months or so, you gradually sharpen your sword a bit and you learn you can often get more with less.

Having said that, still keep your own goals in mind. Don't get caught-up in the Budget-Arms race. If you can get what you're looking for at 100, then fantastic. But if 100/ date don't mesh with the target girls and experience you want, then don't get caught up in the budget wars. I got caught-up last summer and I let a couple of really good SBs slip through my hands because I was over-extended to where I didn't have the resources to hold on to the quality SBs that landed in my lap. If I just gave those quality SBs 200-250, (they were worth twice the amount, IMO) I could have held on to them. So I took my eye off the ball and lost some good ones.

If you have the means to comfortably afford 300-400/ date, then go for it. Obviously be smart about it and don't just drop that amount money on a no-sex M&G. Those type of actions do make it difficult for the rest of SDs if girls are expecting to get paid for M&Gs. Otherwise, what you want to pay your SB is entirely up to you. The advantages of having a higher budget is that you'll be able to attract more top-end white girls and asian girls. Or you can fly-in top-end black / latina girls from out of state and pretty much pay the same thing. Also with a higher budget, you're far less likely to get outbid by another SD, so you'll be able to hold on to the ones you like. So if you have the means, don't feel like you have to settle for the "100" range girls to get your SD card stamped around here. Go after what you want.

Hollywood and I have two different approaches. He goes for volume and plays the numbers game, and I try to aim for quality over quantity. Our differing approach has a lot to do with our different situations. I'm married so there's no way I could juggle an endless stream of pussy. Hollywood isn't married so he has to fill more slots. My point is, it's important to understand your situation and adjust your approach appropriately. We've had quite a few married members come through here over the years and completely overdose on pussy the first 6 months and quickly flame-out, due to exposure from the SO or financial problems. It's important to remember if you're married, the higher volume of girls you're seeing directly increases your risk of exposure. So if you want to have a long career in the bowl or at least be able to retire with your nuts still in tact, then understand your situation, define your own success, and be smart. We will love to hear your stories and exploits regardless of how much you spend and how many girls you see. It's the different approaches that make things interesting and helps us all learn something new.

IMHO it is important to end things well with your SB. On one hand it is a classy thing to do and it is good to be a gentleman about it. This is what separates us from the dirt bags who are truly misogynistic and abusers, and give men a bad name. On the other hand it makes good business sense. Letting go easily leaves the girl with her self esteem somewhat intact, leaves the door open for a return visit, and prevents bad feelings which could prompt a psycho reaction. A woman scorned could lead to exposure by invading your private world if she knows who you really are.

So how do you do it? We all hate it when girls flake on us. So prepare her for separation. I always use the discovery card or the finance excuse. "Baby, you are amazing and I love every minute with you but {my business is in a down cycle / lost my job, whatever} and I can not afford to pay anymore. I am so bummed out I can hardly stand it. Now, if she loves you she might say ""THat's OK honey, I don't need your money, I just enjoy being with you " ,then you have a dilemma. Free pussy vs "now what do I say " . If you think she is the latter type of girl (believe me, they are few and far between) then use the SO card. Fill in the blank above with " My SO discovered my activities and is threatening to make trouble for us. I need to take a break to let things cool down. When it does I will see if you are still available " . Then you have to figure out how to explain your profile being active still.

The Truth? Well, I'm not sure how it will fly to say "You are just not my type of girl and I am not attracted to you anymore " . I told several PPots up front that I was only available for 1 month and it was surprising how many were OK with meeting weekly with an end in sight. One strategy would be to set a time limit and extend it if you want to keep her on the string.

If it was a shorter term thing and or I just want to move on I tell them that I have had a change in my work situation and pay and unfortunately I will not be able to afford our situation anymore. I basically work on commission so I'm not really lying.LOL. My pay is different every month. HA. They seem to get that the $ are not there so they move on with some understanding. Or a couple just said. Well. Just help me out with what you can, SCORE. Ok by me!

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2099208]IMHO it is important to end things well with your SB. On one hand it is a classy thing to do and it is good to be a gentleman about it. This is what separates us from the dirt bags who are truly misogynistic and abusers, and give men a bad name. On the other hand it makes good business sense. Letting go easily leaves the girl with her self esteem somewhat intact, leaves the door open for a return visit, and prevents bad feelings which could prompt a psycho reaction. A woman scorned could lead to exposure by invading your private world if she knows who you really are.

So how do you do it? We all hate it when girls flake on us. So prepare her for separation. I always use the discovery card or the finance excuse. "Baby, you are amazing and I love every minute with you but {my business is in a down cycle / lost my job, whatever} and I can not afford to pay anymore. I am so bummed out I can hardly stand it. Now, if she loves you she might say ""THat's OK honey, I don't need your money, I just enjoy being with you " ,then you have a dilemma. Free pussy vs "now what do I say " . If you think she is the latter type of girl (believe me, they are few and far between) then use the SO card. Fill in the blank above with " My SO discovered my activities and is threatening to make trouble for us. I need to take a break to let things cool down. When it does I will see if you are still available " . Then you have to figure out how to explain your profile being active still.

The Truth? Well, I'm not sure how it will fly to say "You are just not my type of girl and I am not attracted to you anymore " . I told several PPots up front that I was only available for 1 month and it was surprising how many were OK with meeting weekly with an end in sight. One strategy would be to set a time limit and extend it if you want to keep her on the string.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2099208]So how do you do it? We all hate it when girls flake on us. So prepare her for separation. [/QUOTE]My exit door is built into the blueprint early on. Since I'm only a seasonal traveling daddy, I tell them up front I am interested in interviewing SBs in the town they are in because of occasional travel to that area. So, for the most part if they are looking for someone to see every 4 times a month every month they already know I'm not going to be the one.

A couple of times I've gotten mushy e-mails to the effect that they say things like "if I meet the right guy and fall in love I'm open to that etc." and if I get kind of a overly gushing reaction to my photos telling me how attracted they are to me, I usually respond back being very clear that I'm not looking for any sort of regular dating scenario and that I really want the separation of a SD / SB arrangement and I need someone who can handle that, know its not going to change, and not be clingy.

So far it's worked out pretty well and while I've had a few turn crabby, as women sometimes do, I haven't had any stalkers, vengeful types, or walked away wishing I had done something really differently.

One of my SB's was a 20 year old stripper, and she was a little different in the sense that she would text me incessantly to ask "when are you coming again!??" meaning when would I be in town again, but that was a little different because I met her where she worked and she did not have the benefit of hearing my set of rules up front.

I thought this experience so unusual that I would share with you guys. After breaking up with my last SB, I couldn't find anything for a couple months on SA and needed some relief, so I started looking at BP ads. Made a date with a cute spinner, and soon realized she was not an average working girl. Not on drugs, had her own house, dean's list certificate on the wall, etc. So I have a chat with her about the sugar bowl and she says she hasn't heard of the concept, but is interested. She wants to quit the business and likes the idea of an allowance. We settle on an amount, and so far its working. She pulled her BP ad and changed her phone no.

So now there is only one problem, and I welcome your comments on this. The sex is meh. I thought it would improve, but it's still lame escort sex, quick BJ, lay down and open the legs. She doesn't seem to enjoy it. Kind of understandable given her background, still I was hoping for GFE, and she hasn't heard of that concept either. Have you ever been with girls who look super sexy, but just aren't when the get in the sack?

[QUOTE=Tommyboy;2099300]I thought this experience so unusual that I would share with you guys. After breaking up with my last SB, I couldn't find anything for a couple months on SA and needed some relief, so I started looking at BP ads. Made a date with a cute spinner, and soon realized she was not an average working girl. Not on drugs, had her own house, dean's list certificate on the wall, etc. So I have a chat with her about the sugar bowl and she says she hasn't heard of the concept, but is interested. She wants to quit the business and likes the idea of an allowance. We settle on an amount, and so far its working. She pulled her BP ad and changed her phone no.

So now there is only one problem, and I welcome your comments on this. The sex is meh. I thought it would improve, but it's still lame escort sex, quick BJ, lay down and open the legs. She doesn't seem to enjoy it. Kind of understandable given her background, still I was hoping for GFE, and she hasn't heard of that concept either. Have you ever been with girls who look super sexy, but just aren't when the get in the sack?[/QUOTE]I'm sort of new to the SD scene, but have a little experience. I'm telling you the options out there right now are virtually limitless and there is no need to stay with a girl where the chemistry and sex is lacking. She has conditioned herself to "escort" style, just get it done type sex. In the SD world, it's our job to pay, be charming, be ourselves, be respectful and accommodating...it's her job to supply the sugar and a get to know your wants and desires so she can become a true GFE. If she lacks the capacity to do that, then you need to cut your losses and move on.

Ok this can be a touchy subject for us men, but it's a real one and something I've stumbled on with this new generation of girls out there. Many are not shy about asking things that can be touchy for us guys. In corresponding with back and forth with several ladies on SA, I've been outright asked about my dick size. One of the girls was 21, not much experience and she blurted out when we met in person, "so how big is you dick" I answered truthfully and told her, well, I don't think it's small, a little bigger then average, but by no means huge." then she giggled and asked if she could see it. Haha. Well heck yeah. We were at a park in my motorhome. So I whipped it out and had a semi erection from the erotic nature of this encounter. She looked at it and said, "you're not small, you have a perfect dick." LOL. Then she giggled again and asked if she could touch it...well hell yeah. So she proceeded to get me rock hard. While stroking me, I asked, "do you like them huge, or something..and she said, "look at me, I'm 5'1" 100 pounds, what do you think, I asked you cause I probably have the smallest tightest little pussy you will ever have, I don't like big dicks" Oh wow. After some begging, she stroked me off and giggled and said she had fun, etc, etc.

Another girl on SA, flat out told me she liked big ones and she was only 24. But she was a built girl. Fine, I moved on.

Yet a third girl asked me the same thing and was more the like the first, indicating she met one man and he was huge and she did not have sex with him. She said she could not accommodate a big dick. LOL.

They are forward and right to the point some of these girls these days. But it added another fine dimension to this whole SD thing. NOT ALL THE GIRLS WANT HUGE DICKS!! LOL. When dating MILF, or cougars in the past, they all want king kong, so this is a nice aspect of SD dating younger women. I think at least.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2099499]

They are forward and right to the point some of these girls these days. But it added another fine dimension to this whole SD thing. NOT ALL THE GIRLS WANT HUGE DICKS!! LOL. When dating MILF, or cougars in the past, they all want king kong, so this is a nice aspect of SD dating younger women. I think at least.[/QUOTE]I haven't had any SBs ask me in e-mail (and usually once in person they get to see it soon enough without asking), and not many civys in the past (prior to meeting in email at least) that come to mind, but I think in general dick curiosity is not a new thing. I can remember being maybe 5-6 years old the neighborhood girls 2-3 years older than me giggling and asking me if I was old enough for it to get hard yet and I wasn't shy about dropping trou, showing them how quickly I could work up a miniature boner. Later on I can remember girls asking if they can put their hands down my pants around the 7th-8th grade, or in the 9th grade passing me a note in class asking how big it was, asking me to estimate by drawing on the paper. Similar stories throughout high school. Several years back I was at a nightclub hitting on one girl, and her friend was much bolder than her and not too shy to do some recon work, so she stood in front of me, back facing my chest, acted like she was dancing rubbing her ass on my crotch, reached down with her hand and on the outside of my pants sized me up and announced the results to the other 4-5 people standing around talking, to all of our amusement (especially mine). I remember another time I met a girl in the club and she sat me down on a bench in front of a busy bar, straddled me cowgirl style, pulled my shirt up and stuck her hands down my pants and proceeded to give me a full-on tuggy while deep kissing as tons of people including the bouncers walked by and said nothing.

However with the SBs I've met it just doesn't happen because most of the mails happen prior to the first M&G, and at that point they are just holding out to see if my pictures are real or of someone else or 15 years old. So they usually don't get too curious or playful if they are planning to meet me in person anyway, in my limited experience.

[QUOTE=Tommyboy;2099300]I thought this experience so unusual that I would share with you guys. After breaking up with my last SB, I couldn't find anything for a couple months on SA and needed some relief, so I started looking at BP ads. Made a date with a cute spinner, and soon realized she was not an average working girl. Not on drugs, had her own house, dean's list certificate on the wall, etc. So I have a chat with her about the sugar bowl and she says she hasn't heard of the concept, but is interested. She wants to quit the business and likes the idea of an allowance. We settle on an amount, and so far its working. She pulled her BP ad and changed her phone no.

So now there is only one problem, and I welcome your comments on this. The sex is meh. I thought it would improve, but it's still lame escort sex, quick BJ, lay down and open the legs. She doesn't seem to enjoy it. Kind of understandable given her background, still I was hoping for GFE, and she hasn't heard of that concept either. Have you ever been with girls who look super sexy, but just aren't when the get in the sack?[/QUOTE]How long have you been seeing her? If it seems like she's not moving away from the escort sex, I'd have a talk with her. I'm not sure how I'd approach the subject, but let her know how you feel about the sex. It may be that the escort sex is all she ever knew even before getting on BP. If she's willing to learn, then you get to teach her about the passionate side of sex rather than just getting off asap.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;2099126]With a lot of talk about prices lately, I thought it would be a good idea to discuss about defining your own success.

I think we all do share one common goal of getting young hot sexually open girls while not breaking the bank in the process. It's safe to say we all pretty much share that goal. But beyond that, it's important to set your own goals and you shouldn't feel pressured by the clubhouse here to adhere to a certain price structure. And if you want to go to dinner and movie with your SB don't feel ashamed about it, it's your prerogative.

It's pretty common for all new SDs to overpay in their first few months in the Sugar Bowl. The Sugar Bowl can be overwhelming at first with literally a conveyor belt of real college girls letting you have a real sex with them (not that mechanical fake shit you get from escorts) for just a few hundred dollars. But after you've been in the Bowl for a few months or so, you gradually sharpen your sword a bit and you learn you can often get more with less.

Having said that, still keep your own goals in mind. Don't get caught-up in the Budget-Arms race. If you can get what you're looking for at 100, then fantastic. But if 100/ date don't mesh with the target girls and experience you want, then don't get caught up in the budget wars. I got caught-up last summer and I let a couple of really good SBs slip through my hands because I was over-extended to where I didn't have the resources to hold on to the quality SBs that landed in my lap. If I just gave those quality SBs 200-250, (they were worth twice the amount, IMO) I could have held on to them. So I took my eye off the ball and lost some good ones.

If you have the means to comfortably afford 300-400/ date, then go for it. Obviously be smart about it and don't just drop that amount money on a no-sex M&G. Those type of actions do make it difficult for the rest of SDs if girls are expecting to get paid for M&Gs. Otherwise, what you want to pay your SB is entirely up to you. The advantages of having a higher budget is that you'll be able to attract more top-end white girls and asian girls. Or you can fly-in top-end black / latina girls from out of state and pretty much pay the same thing. Also with a higher budget, you're far less likely to get outbid by another SD, so you'll be able to hold on to the ones you like. So if you have the means, don't feel like you have to settle for the "100" range girls to get your SD card stamped around here. Go after what you want.

Hollywood and I have two different approaches. He goes for volume and plays the numbers game, and I try to aim for quality over quantity. Our differing approach has a lot to do with our different situations. I'm married so there's no way I could juggle an endless stream of pussy. Hollywood isn't married so he has to fill more slots. My point is, it's important to understand your situation and adjust your approach appropriately. We've had quite a few married members come through here over the years and completely overdose on pussy the first 6 months and quickly flame-out, due to exposure from the SO or financial problems. It's important to remember if you're married, the higher volume of girls you're seeing directly increases your risk of exposure. So if you want to have a long career in the bowl or at least be able to retire with your nuts still in tact, then understand your situation, define your own success, and be smart. We will love to hear your stories and exploits regardless of how much you spend and how many girls you see. It's the different approaches that make things interesting and helps us all learn something new.[/QUOTE]From a guy who must know...I have reduced my budget from $$ to $ and it's a lot tougher. Had to do with my situation but even anything above $ goes down much better. Must be why Walmart always prices in weird uneven numbers...LOL.

[QUOTE=Tommyboy;2099300]I thought this experience so unusual that I would share with you guys. After breaking up with my last SB, I couldn't find anything for a couple months on SA and needed some relief, so I started looking at BP ads. Made a date with a cute spinner, and soon realized she was not an average working girl. Not on drugs, had her own house, dean's list certificate on the wall, etc. So I have a chat with her about the sugar bowl and she says she hasn't heard of the concept, but is interested. She wants to quit the business and likes the idea of an allowance. We settle on an amount, and so far its working. She pulled her BP ad and changed her phone no.

So now there is only one problem, and I welcome your comments on this. The sex is meh. I thought it would improve, but it's still lame escort sex, quick BJ, lay down and open the legs. She doesn't seem to enjoy it. Kind of understandable given her background, still I was hoping for GFE, and she hasn't heard of that concept either. Have you ever been with girls who look super sexy, but just aren't when the get in the sack?[/QUOTE]I reserved comment for a while here because others' opinions may vary here. But, based on the types of girls I see, I think someone trying to migrate from a BP girl (even a high class one) to the SB scene is up against major challenges. First, she's already in a situation that by all rights should provide her more income per hour than an SB would make, so she's a little spoiled in that regard. BP opens her customer base to guys who won't or can't pay for SD membership, and thus she is already a higher volume girl. That alone marks her off the list of what I would be looking for. The fact she is lousy in bed means she could run the risk of SDs like me who are insulted by being treated like an hourly customer, and would end up not gifting her for lousy sex and a rushed job even if she's established in her daytime career and educated. If she is not performing well sexually at the BP girl level she would be a super dud as an SB, in my opinion.

Part of the allure and excitement that I find in SBs is the fact that they genuinely enjoy sex. The allowance is just something to distance herself from the SD in a way that she can focus on her own fantasies, in the same way we want to distance ourselves from emotional attachment to them. I try to weed out the would-be pros and former pros in my searches and follow up conversations (which is not always easy and occasionally leads to wasted time).

I actually see SB as a stepping stone where a girl can figure out whether she is cold enough to be a pro, or if she just likes the idea of an older partner and mentor that can help her move past her current position in life. Most of the SBs that have ranked high with me have a genuine attraction to older men, and older successful men in particular. A true SB would really like to minimize their quantity of sex partners and find one that can REALLY take care of them. There are varying degrees of SBs below that, some of whom don't care how many guys they fuck as long as they reach a certain income level, and I see most of that type as a future escort even if they don't realize it yet.

It's a great question and a very worthwhile discussion, particularly considering the subject line of this thread (amateurs or not). I just think it's very hard for someone who has been pro to go backwards to being an SB amateur in search of a secure allowance. Seems counter-productive IMO? One mans opinion...

In the early hours of the morning, in a suite at the MC Resort in Las Vegas, I had one of the most enjoyable sexual encounters of my 56 year old life. My 20 year old Amerasian friend arrived early and we had 6 hours of talking, tasting, listening, exploring, penetrating, and coming. Feb 11 2013 was the last time I had sex with my Ex, the night our marriage ended. The joy of tasting the wet warm and almost cliche tight flower of my friend is beyond my ability to describe. I've had some medical issues that sometimes gave me ED problems during my marriage. That was not remotely a problem last night. In fact I am wondering now if the ED was more a symptom of the routine semi comatose sex my Ex provided rather than my Cardiac problems.

I wish I had the skill to adequately describe my encounter in a way that was entertaining for my fellow SD's Unfortunately all I can offer is that I am the happiest and most physically satisfied that I've been in years... And we are getting together again on Thursday!

By the way, other than ordering some room service food for her, no money was exchanged, no talk of compensation, nothing. I did slip a gift card into her bag while she was in the shower and it was very much appreciated. Thanks again for the Seniors who offered advice and encouragement during my first tentative steps in the Sugar Bowl.

[QUOTE=Tommyboy;2099300]I thought this experience so unusual that I would share with you guys. After breaking up with my last SB, I couldn't find anything for a couple months on SA and needed some relief, so I started looking at BP ads. Made a date with a cute spinner, and soon realized she was not an average working girl. Not on drugs, had her own house, dean's list certificate on the wall, etc. So I have a chat with her about the sugar bowl and she says she hasn't heard of the concept, but is interested. She wants to quit the business and likes the idea of an allowance. We settle on an amount, and so far its working. She pulled her BP ad and changed her phone no.

So now there is only one problem, and I welcome your comments on this. The sex is meh. I thought it would improve, but it's still lame escort sex, quick BJ, lay down and open the legs. She doesn't seem to enjoy it. Kind of understandable given her background, still I was hoping for GFE, and she hasn't heard of that concept either. Have you ever been with girls who look super sexy, but just aren't when the get in the sack?[/QUOTE]I like the idea of a chat with her about what your needs are. Some girls just do not love sex and never will others will treat it as means to an end. But, if you are an attentive lover you might back off on the make out scene and work on pleasuring her. First with a long massage followed by clitoral stim, oral, and finally intercourse. If she has not had an O by the time you have done all that then either 1) you don't have skills in the pleasuring department, or 2) she is frigid, perhaps damaged goods from trauma, abuse, or whatever.