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Thought I'd post here, it's getting good. I'm inclined to take the attitude that, if she can't make a success at the game, then by all means bail out. But just being in the Hobby is not a failure for a woman.

Consider Molly Daniels, 2 homes, plentiful vacations, and generous friends. Some in influncial places. How about Silk. Think of all the successful concubines in some of the larger metropolitan areas, world wide.

Don't label all these ladies as loosers. Sure the bottom is loaded with sad situations, drugs and alcohol addiction. But don't paint everyone with the same brush.

Personally I have been friends with many of my Hobby acquaintances throughout my life and still am today. How in the hell, as a Monger, could I hold myself above a provider? I can't and don't. Thanks, LM.

[QUOTE=LeoMac;2676784]Thought I'd post here, it's getting good. I'm inclined to take the attitude that, if she can't make a success at the game, then by all means bail out. But just being in the Hobby is not a failure for a woman.

Consider Molly Daniels, 2 homes, plentiful vacations, and generous friends. Some in influncial places. How about Silk. Think of all the successful concubines in some of the larger metropolitan areas, world wide.

Don't label all these ladies as loosers. Sure the bottom is loaded with sad situations, drugs and alcohol addiction. But don't paint everyone with the same brush.

Personally I have been friends with many of my Hobby acquaintances throughout my life and still am today. How in the hell, as a Monger, could I hold myself above a provider? I can't and don't. Thanks, LM.[/QUOTE]I've seen a lot that I have not given my rewards to, (jessie jane! - baby face ashley) some know what they are doing with there cash some are shooting it up can't all be winners.

There is help all over the place. Treatement centers, rehabs, etc. It's ALL up to them. And knowing a few of these that are on the h, I can say that is why I quit this because I don't want to become an enabler.

Before anyone can help them get off the h, they would have to want to get off it themselves.

[QUOTE=SinfulDreams;2678301]I lost someone I was seeing Friday. He overdosed, and didn't wake up. We will find out what it is soon, but some of my close friends are saying Heroin. I don't want to believe that, but it is what it is. He was happy, and doing so well, but yet hiding so much that I and others didn't know about.

The reason why I am writing this is because of some of the posts I see about still being with the provider even if she is on drugs. Do you NOT get what you are doing? You are continuing her high, and making it that much harder for her to quit, or that much easier for her not to be around possibly.

If you see someone with an addiction, get them help, instead of getting them high.

Ladies I know you won't like this post, but please get the help you need, instead of getting high and possibly not being around to share your memories with friends and loved ones. This drug and any drug for that matter is so dangerous. Find something else that can replace that, like having an inane amount of sexual appetite or something. But please give up the drugs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SinfulDreams;2678301]I lost someone I was seeing Friday. He overdosed, and didn't wake up. We will find out what it is soon, but some of my close friends are saying Heroin. I don't want to believe that, but it is what it is. He was happy, and doing so well, but yet hiding so much that I and others didn't know about.

The reason why I am writing this is because of some of the posts I see about still being with the provider even if she is on drugs. Do you NOT get what you are doing? You are continuing her high, and making it that much harder for her to quit, or that much easier for her not to be around possibly.

If you see someone with an addiction, get them help, instead of getting them high.

Ladies I know you won't like this post, but please get the help you need, instead of getting high and possibly not being around to share your memories with friends and loved ones. This drug and any drug for that matter is so dangerous. Find something else that can replace that, like having an inane amount of sexual appetite or something. But please give up the drugs.[/QUOTE]Sorry for your loss.

[QUOTE=SinfulDreams;2678301]The reason why I am writing this is because of some of the posts I see about still being with the provider even if she is on drugs. Do you NOT get what you are doing? You are continuing her high, and making it that much harder for her to quit, or that much easier for her not to be around possibly.

If you see someone with an addiction, get them help, instead of getting them high.

But please give up the drugs.[/QUOTE]They have choices and most addicts until they hit rock bottom will not make the choice to give up their fix, no matter what the drug of choice. I am involved in NA and helped both male and female addicts get into rehab and become recovering addicts. Once an addict, always an addict but a recovering addict does not use anymore. H is the most widely used hard drug of choice in the USA right now and it is impacting all socioeconomic sectors of our society. You can't help an addict until they decide they want help, just like you can't help an alcoholic until they want to stop, it's all addiction. A very good provider once told me they provide to give them the "Sex" they so very much desired. Their sex was H. If they weren't providing to supply their habit and their BF's habit then they would turn to some other illegal means to pay for their addiction. This in no way indicates that I think the end justifies the means, it's just a result of the addiction. I try not to see providers that I'm aware of having hard drug addiction issues. Many H users are smoking or snorting but the ones that mainline many times hide it from public view by shooting under toenails, the tongue or between toes. Track marks are only prevalent with the very hard users. So don't be fooled by lack of track marks on the arms. Many Hard Drug provider addicts don't care about the use of covers because it makes business better, so when she says you don't need to cover up, then be prepared for the consequences of any STD's or Hep.

Done with my public service announcement.

FF.

P.S. Even freckled providers use H, it's a non discriminating drug.

I can see where SinfulDreams is coming from, and I can also see where the guys who have responded are coming from. I suppose I do contribute to the problem, in that a provider can get a lot more jacksons by seeing me for an hour than they could from working all day at a fast food joint. But chances are that provider would just engage in (and probably already engages in) other activities, be it stealing, being involved in the H trade, or what have you.

And let's face it, the word has been out for a very, very long time that H is some seriously bad stuff. It's been in the news constantly for the last few years and H had a bad reputation long before then. Sure, it didn't help when all these idiot doctors were prescribing painkillers like they were candy for all those years, and then LE cracked down on the prescription drugs without considering that the pill addicts might switch over to H. But still.

In an ideal world, I'd rather just find some bored soccer mom to shag on the side. Most of them are too focused on their rugrats be interested in that, though. Or find a single mom waiting tables who needs a little help under the table every now and then when the rent is due. Until I find such a unicorn, here I am.

[QUOTE=SinfulDreams;2678301]I lost someone I was seeing Friday. He overdosed, and didn't wake up. We will find out what it is soon, but some of my close friends are saying Heroin. I don't want to believe that, but it is what it is. He was happy, and doing so well, but yet hiding so much that I and others didn't know about.

The reason why I am writing this is because of some of the posts I see about still being with the provider even if she is on drugs. Do you NOT get what you are doing? You are continuing her high, and making it that much harder for her to quit, or that much easier for her not to be around possibly.

If you see someone with an addiction, get them help, instead of getting them high.

Ladies I know you won't like this post, but please get the help you need, instead of getting high and possibly not being around to share your memories with friends and loved ones. This drug and any drug for that matter is so dangerous. Find something else that can replace that, like having an inane amount of sexual appetite or something. But please give up the drugs.[/QUOTE]I try to use providers who aren't using, but that's almost like finding a good bourbon without alcohol. I've never seen anyone admit to using and some people (like your friend) are very good at hiding it.

Also, I'm not rich, so I can't always see expensive providers who I know (or think) don't use. So, I just do the best I can.

I'm very sorry abut your friend. I have lost friends too, one of my best friends died due to alcohol. I know it really sucks. Good Luck, and stay safe.

[QUOTE=Gatty23;2679707]I try to use providers who aren't using, but that's almost like finding a good bourbon without alcohol. I've never seen anyone admit to using and some people (like your friend) are very good at hiding it.

Also, I'm not rich, so I can't always see expensive providers who I know (or think) don't use. So, I just do the best I can.

I'm very sorry abut your friend. I have lost friends too, one of my best friends died due to alcohol. I know it really sucks. Good Luck, and stay safe.[/QUOTE]Problem is almost all h users won't admit to it despite all the signs being there.

Regarding the list in the General Info thread, if it wasn't giving me such a good laugh to read the growing list, I'd beg you guys to stop already. Really, are you doing the whiz quiz on these ladies yourselves to verify that they are clean? I've heard some great stories in the past couple years from ladies who had all sorts of reasons why they would never or could never use drugs. However their pictures soon show up among the mugshots with charges for possessing H. So just cover up, do the deed, and don't believe the bullshit anybody tells you about being clean.

If it wasnt for the H we wouldn't have the fine selection we have and the diversity of choices of girls. Most the girls we get to bang in this hobby wouldn't be doing this shit if it wasnt for the H. I am glad there is are drugs and H around to motivate these girls with the insatiable hunger for money. Do not blame the drugs blame the user for putting it into their bodies. Most these girls do not even want to be helped. Besides it is much funner to party with them rather than to try to stop their party altogether.

[QUOTE=SinfulDreams;2683274]And you sir are the very reason why the good guys get such a bad name. I hope you never have anything unfortunate happen to you because they say karma is a *****!! To say you are glad there is Heroin around, which is what is killing so many young people in itself, is so selfish of you. That is all you care about after all is banging some chic, as long as you get your nut. Pathetic.

[blue]I disagree, it's like poverty down here. I didn't cause it, I can't stop it, but I'm not blind to it's effect. What he said was just true. Most of those girls wouldn't be doing it if they weren't strung out. He wasn't celebrating it, he was commenting on the reality of the situation.

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A2[/blue][/QUOTE]Seemed to me, like he was very much celebrating it. The way you put it, was stating the facts. The way he said it, was defiantly celebrating it. He said he was glad about the situation.

Your comparison of poverty and the heroin epidemic here is off base too. These girls can work their way out of poverty, they'll never worked her way out of a heroin addiction.

[blue]You have obviously never lived in the third world. You know nothing of true poverty and equally I'm pretty sure you know very little about addiction. Your ignorance is showing.

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[QUOTE=BuyingSmiles;2684277]Seemed to me, like he was very much celebrating it. The way you put it, was stating the facts. The way he said it, was defiantly celebrating it. He said he was glad about the situation.

Your comparison of poverty and the heroin epidemic here is off base too. These girls can work their way out of poverty, they'll never worked her way out of a heroin addiction.

[blue]You have obviously never lived in the third world. You know nothing of true poverty and equally I'm pretty sure you know very little about addiction. Your ignorance is showing.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]You have no idea what I know, where I have been or what I've seen. I have never lived in a third world country, you are correct. I have seen first hand though, in travel, the shanty towns in South Africa and they way people who are truly poor live. Unfortunately, I have first hand knowledge and experience with people dealing with addiction. Point is, if a girl is poor and sells her self for sex, she can save her money, better herself and take care of her family. She can build herself a future and execute an exit strategy. None of these girls, that are addicted to heroin, are going to save their money, better themselves in any way shape or form and damn sure are not going to do anything to take care of their family. There is no exit strategy for a girl addicted to heroin, there is no future for the girl addicted to heroin. Her exit strategy is for you to get the fuck out of the room so she can buy more dope, her future is in a pine box.

A poor girl can work herself out of poverty by selling yourself for sex. A girl addicted to heroin, has a snowballs chance in hell of working herself clean. If you can't see that difference that's not my problem.