Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5460569]The average cost of Covid hospitalization exceeds $50k-$100K or MORE by some estimates. Since it's Medical insurance companies bearing the costs of people who had a choice and chose not to get vaccinated, if I were an insurance company, I would be looking into NOT covering care for people who refuse the vaccination without medical grounds. Don't take the shot, pay for your own care. Also, NO life insurance payouts for voluntary unvaxxed deaths. No more subsidies. Problem solved![/QUOTE]1. Cruise lines, airlines and other crowd venues should jack up the price of tickets and offer 80% discounts for vaccination proof.

2. State should offer 50% discounts on booze and cigarettes for anyone proving vaccination.

Using option 2 would get them to 90% in a month. LOL.

Or, just let them get sick, experience long term covid effects or die off. Like this smart fella:

[URL]https://twitter.com/Cleavon_MD/status/1418524963527667715[/URL]

Sad. But I guess he doesn't have any problems now. Wonder why god didn't help him out, since he was begging for a miracle at the end.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5460569]The average cost of Covid hospitalization exceeds $50k-$100K or MORE by some estimates. Since it's Medical insurance companies bearing the costs of people who had a choice and chose not to get vaccinated, if I were an insurance company, I would be looking into NOT covering care for people who refuse the vaccination without medical grounds. Don't take the shot, pay for your own care. Also, NO life insurance payouts for voluntary unvaxxed deaths. No more subsidies. Problem solved![/QUOTE]Is being a stupid fuck a preexisting condition?

[QUOTE=MinivanMan;5460671]Some additional I do on Dr. Malone.

[/QUOTE]Ok. So he didn't invent the vaccine but invented the mRNA and DNA vaccine core platform technology. That's pretty heavy. I'd listen to him before Fauci, Biden or Trump tells me to inject some experimental drug in my arm designed to attack a man made virus that has mutated so much the original form the drug was designed for no longer exists.

*But don't misunderstand me. I'm not pro or anti vax, but pro free will, freedom of choice and freedom of information. It's my opinion something isn't right about this experimental drug and how it's being forced upon us and how those who offer dissenting opinions are cancelled by the media. If i croak tomorrow, I croak tomorrow. If a year or two from now auto immune and other diseases effect large numbers of those who took the experimental drug, a year or two from now auto immune and other diseases effect large numbers of those who took the experimental drug.

For those vaccinated, the risk of serious illness from the coronavirus and spreading the virus to others is vanishingly low:

[I]As of July 19,2021, more than 161 million people in the United States had been fully vaccinated against COVID-19.

During the same time, CDC received reports from 49 USA States and territories of 5,914 patients with COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infection who were hospitalized or died.

*1,529 (27%) of 5,601 hospitalizations reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19.

*292 (26%) of 1,141 fatal cases reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19.[/I]

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html[/URL]

Of the vaccinated, 4072 hospitalizations were reported as symptomatic due to COVID-19 and 849 fatal cases were reported as symptomatic due to COVID-19.

[B]So, vaccinated people have a 0.0005% chance of hospitalization and a 0.0001% chance of dying from the coronavirus.[/B]

Those percentages are far lower than the risk of being hospitalized with or dying of the seasonal flu. They also represent much less risk than people are willing to take on every day when they drive in their car or engage in a sport. I'll take those odds all day everyday.

Yes, it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated alright:

[URL]https://freewestmedia.com/2021/07/22/vast-majority-covid-19-cluster-in-cape-cod-were-vaccinated/[/URL]

At least 33 people in a nursing home in Yarmouth on Cape Cod have tested positive for SARS-Cov-2. Most of the residents that tested positive were vaccinated, reported the Boston Globe.

Dr. Janet Whelan, a member of the Provincetown Board of Health, confirmed that the vaccinated could be spreading the Coronavirus: "The most interesting thing to me about this cluster of cases is so many of the people infected were vaccinated, which sort of means that a lot of the people that are vaccinated who are exposed to it may feel safe, but may also transmit it to others. ".

The evidence just keeps piling up, contradicting the idiotic statement by the president, spreading disinformation and doing the public a disservice for political gain. But keep believing in your idol and your magical vaccines, like that Democratic Delegation from Texas. Actually I have to retract what I said, because now they say they were all fully vaccinated:

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/us/politics/texas-covid-voting-rights.html[/URL]

"Everybody is scrambling because the realization is hitting that this new strain is among us and is very contagious even among people who are vaccinated," Gina Hinojosa, a state representative from Austin, said.

Apparently the President is the last to know- well, besides some people on here.

State of Vermont, with highest concentration of vaccinated individuals vs State of Alabama, with lowest concentration of vaccinated individuals.

In the last 7 days:

*Alabama recorded 901 COVID cases; Vermont recorded 8 COVID cases.

*Alabama has 65 hospital admissions DAILY due to COVID vs Vermont with ZERO.

*Alabama 41 deaths due to COVID last week vs Vermont with ZERO deaths.

[B]GOP Governor Says Blame the Unvaccinated[/B]

[I]Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey (R) called out the unvaccinated folks for the rise in Covid-19 cases in her state, a remarkable plea at a time when many GOP leaders are refusing to urge people to get vaccinated even as Covid-19 cases surge in many parts of the country.[/I]

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5461273]Yes, it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated alright:

[URL]https://freewestmedia.com/2021/07/22/vast-majority-covid-19-cluster-in-cape-cod-were-vaccinated/[/URL]

At least 33 people in a nursing home in Yarmouth on Cape Cod have tested positive for SARS-Cov-2. Most of the residents that tested positive were vaccinated, reported the Boston Globe.

Dr. Janet Whelan, a member of the Provincetown Board of Health, confirmed that the vaccinated could be spreading the Coronavirus: "The most interesting thing to me about this cluster of cases is so many of the people infected were vaccinated, which sort of means that a lot of the people that are vaccinated who are exposed to it may feel safe, but may also transmit it to others. ".

The evidence just keeps piling up, contradicting the idiotic statement by the president, spreading disinformation and doing the public a disservice for political gain. But keep believing in your idol and your magical vaccines, like that Democratic Delegation from Texas. Actually I have to retract what I said, because now they say they were all fully vaccinated:

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/us/politics/texas-covid-voting-rights.html[/URL]

"Everybody is scrambling because the realization is hitting that this new strain is among us and is very contagious even among people who are vaccinated," Gina Hinojosa, a state representative from Austin, said.

Apparently the President is the last to know- well, besides some people on here.[/QUOTE]

A lot of anti-vax propaganda focuses on how low deaths are to downplay how unnecessary vaccines are with modern medicine. It completely ignores the hospital visits that are often needed to survive the diseases and that does nothing to address long term complications from the disease itself.

There is an old saying, "Figures lie and liars figure.

Alabama 2020 population = 5,024,279.

Vermont 2020 population = 643,077.

Per Capita Cases.

Alabama 901/5,024,279 = . 017933%.

Vermont = 8/643,077 = . 001244.

While Alabama may have a higher percent per capita it is miniscule.

Your comment is about as stupid as the KY governor back the end of February when he was complaining that Blacks were disproportionately receiving the vaccine, because they only represented 15% of recipients. The census shows KY is only 8. 5% Black so actually, they were double the white race.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5461348]State of Vermont, with highest concentration of vaccinated individuals vs State of Alabama, with lowest concentration of vaccinated individuals.
In the last 7 days:
*Alabama recorded 901 COVID cases; Vermont recorded 8 COVID cases.
*Alabama has 65 hospital admissions DAILY due to COVID vs Vermont with ZERO.
*Alabama 41 deaths due to COVID last week vs Vermont with ZERO deaths.
[B]GOP Governor Says Blame the Unvaccinated[/B]
[I]Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey (R) called out the unvaccinated folks for the rise in Covid-19 cases in her state, a remarkable plea at a time when many GOP leaders are refusing to urge people to get vaccinated even as Covid-19 cases surge in many parts of the country.[/I][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5461859]There is an old saying, "Figures lie and liars figure.

Alabama 2020 population = 5,024,279.

Vermont 2020 population = 643,077.

Per Capita Cases.

Alabama 901/5,024,279 = . 017933%.

Vermont = 8/643,077 = . 001244.

While Alabama may have a higher percent per capita it is miniscule.[/QUOTE]Math also depends on some vocabulary. If you describe having a 15 times higher chance of catching the disease as "miniscule" then you are correct. I personally think that big a difference is worth being vaccinated. Your choice may vary.

Despite the basic math, what I fear you are ignoring is the effect of the vaccine in significantly reducing the severity of the disease should you get it, not to mention the significant reduction in hospitalizations and near elimination of deaths.

Its your call and your life. Just don't become one of those begging to be vaccinated after it is too late.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5461859]There is an old saying, "Figures lie and liars figure.

Alabama 2020 population = 5,024,279.

Vermont 2020 population = 643,077.

Per Capita Cases.

Alabama 901/5,024,279 = . 017933%.

Vermont = 8/643,077 = . 001244.

While Alabama may have a higher percent per capita it is miniscule.

Your comment is about as stupid as the KY governor back the end of February when he was complaining that Blacks were disproportionately receiving the vaccine, because they only represented 15% of recipients. The census shows KY is only 8. 5% Black so actually, they were double the white race.[/QUOTE]So, by your helpful calculations, the infection rate in Alabama is over 14 times that of Vermont. I would not call that "minuscule. ".

a steep falloff in effectiveness.

"People are sort of raising their eyebrows a bit."

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5462372]a steep falloff in effectiveness.

"People are sort of raising their eyebrows a bit."[/QUOTE]Do you even read the stuff you post? The quote is "apparent steep falloff. " By all means, make your conclusions before the data is analyzed. And even if the Pfizer vaccine turns out to be less effective then initially thought, pleas realize that it is only the number three vaccine used in the US. To allude they are all similarly ineffective is disingenuous at best.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5462440]Do you even read the stuff you post? The quote is "apparent steep falloff. " By all means, make your conclusions before the data is analyzed. And even if the Pfizer vaccine turns out to be less effective then initially thought, pleas realize that it is only the number three vaccine used in the US. To allude they are all similarly ineffective is disingenuous at best.[/QUOTE]Do you even read? I'm not referring to my post, but do you read at all, period? Israel/UK have nationalized medicine. All their data comes into a sole clearinghouse.The data from Israel and UK has been out for a couple weeks and has been analyzed. 50-60% of new cases have been non-vaccine vaxed, 90% of new cases in 50 years old+ have been vaccinated by non vax drug. Fauci's a liar. And the mRNA non-vaccine vaccines are all basically the same.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5461890]

Just don't become one of those begging to be vaccinated after it is too late.[/QUOTE]And don't you become one of those begging,"but I took the non-vaccine vaccine," after it is too late.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5461890]Math also depends on some vocabulary. If you describe having a 15 times higher chance of catching the disease as "miniscule" then you are correct. I personally think that big a difference is worth being vaccinated. Your choice may vary.

Despite the basic math, what I fear you are ignoring is the effect of the vaccine in significantly reducing the severity of the disease should you get it, not to mention the significant reduction in hospitalizations and near elimination of deaths.

Its your call and your life. Just don't become one of those begging to be vaccinated after it is too late.[/QUOTE]I agree. I think in the end there will be a lot of people with regrets, especially when new variants become tougher to fight.