Safe Sex Information and Advice

[QUOTE=BusterHymen;2783175]Also, while I don't wear a condom, I usually have a chemical condom of sorts. I mix up my own antibiotic lube. I start with Astroglide, and mix in a small amount of Chlorhexidine Gluconate into it. The most common brand of Chlorhexidine Gluconate cleanser is Hibiclens, but that stuff does not mix with Astroglide. I use the generic version from CVS, which dissolves readily with the lube. It smells a little florally, and it is a bit soapy, but if you don't put too much of it into the astroglide then the girls won't notice, and it has no problems that I can tell.

[b]This may sound nutty, but it is actually based upon scientific studies. Astroglide by itself was found to inhibit both HSV and HIV.[/b] And Chlorhexidine Gluconate has residual bacterial inhibiting power, this is what many doctors use to scrub. At the very least, this replaces or dilutes the volume of pussy juice, so by that alone provides a bit of margin against catching anything.

[/QUOTE]As you'll note from a prior post in this thread, I like to personally confirm data, statistics & claims. Would you be able to provide a link to the "scientific studies" that demonstrate Astroglide inhibits HSV & HIV?

I am aware of the antibiotic properties of Hibiclens and its use as a clean up agent in Hospitals.

Do you use the generic version of Hibiclens or Astroglide in your mix?

Fwiw, I quit using Astroglide as it dries out over time and vigorous F-ing and gets tacky. I prefer the non-silicon based lubes by WET.

On a side note, the [URL]drugs.com[/URL] site has an archived page suggesting, nonoxynol-9, the main ingredient in spermicide has some efficacy for HIV inhibition [I]in vitro.[/I] Remember in vitro is NOT [I]in vivo![/I].

I found this PubMed citation on nonoxynol-9 and Chlamydia.

[URL]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2832119[/URL]

[QUOTE=BusterHymen;2781963]While this is an old post, I just read it and would like to comment. While you state that the CDC says that BBBJ is safer than BBFS, you are wrong about a key point. All of the CDC info is not supported by any research relevant to what we do, which is bang hookers. I have looked extensively for research that confirms the BBBJ vs BBFS safety comparison, and it doesn't exist, at least for our activity. Any research that has been done only takes into account a random person in the population, not a closed population.

I am not a doctor, but am a scientist in the medical industry.

Here is the reality of my own research. Talk to any street prostitute, and ask her the ratio of BJ's vs FS. I have done this, and it is surprising, it averages like 10 to 1. Then factor into account that there are tons of guys that go BBBJ but do CFS. So the ratio between hookers doing BBBJ to BBFS is much greater, like probably 50 to 1 (or more).

Then look at all the guys on these forums that have gotten a typical STD. Most get them from BBBJ. Basically what I am saying is the average street prostitute's pussy is cleaner than her mouth.

While all that I have posted is not true science in that it isn't based upon a good true scientific study, it is just as valid at the information provided by the CDC and others, because there are no studies that compare BBBJ to BBFS from streetwalkers. None.

For that reason, I maintain that BBBJ is far riskier to catch a common STD than BBFS. However, prevalence of BBFS is rapidly increasing, so I believe BBFS is becoming riskier as time goes on. There is a greater risk of catching HIV with BBFS than BBBJ, this is true, but not true for the most common STD's.[/QUOTE]Only one incident for me in all my adventures and its was from a BBBJ. Also it should be noted that deep thr0 ating drives the risk way up. It was no fun but a shot in the ass got me right in a matter of days.

On that note, I had to go to the health dept to get treatment. Is there a more discreet way to get antibiotics if your dick starts dripping? Internet doctors? Seems like someone on here would have a hookup for an understanding Dr. Who's in the hobby.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2784220]As you'll note from a prior post in this thread, I like to personally confirm data, statistics & claims. Would you be able to provide a link to the "scientific studies" that demonstrate Astroglide inhibits HSV & HIV?

I am aware of the antibiotic properties of Hibiclens and its use as a clean up agent in Hospitals.

Do you use the generic version of Hibiclens or Astroglide in your mix?

Fwiw, I quit using Astroglide as it dries out over time and vigorous F-ing and gets tacky. I prefer the non-silicon based lubes by WET.

On a side note, the [URL]drugs.com[/URL] site has an archived page suggesting, nonoxynol-9, the main ingredient in spermicide has some efficacy for HIV inhibition [I]in vitro.[/I] Remember in vitro is NOT [I]in vivo![/I].

I found this PubMed citation on nonoxynol-9 and Chlamydia.

[URL]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2832119[/URL][/QUOTE]Well, in attempt to retrieve the studies I was referring to, I came across later studies that refuted my beliefs, somewhat anyway. (and refutes the studies you cite on nonoxynol-9).

There are a number of studies that show, as you say, Astroglide (and nonoxynol-9) inhibit both HSV-2 and HIV virii, HOWEVER, the later studies I found actually show that both chemical INCREASE the risk of transmission via vaginal and rectal tissue, because they both break down the cell barrier walls of vaginal and rectal tissue via their water absorbing characteristics. However, this doesn't address the effect on men. So this is inconclusive, for us anyway. (but has big implications for chicks and gay dudes.) Additionally, there are no definitive studies regarding Chlorhexidine Gluconate as it is not intended for this use. The conclusion of one of the studies was it was best to use silicone-based lubes as they do not cause tissue damage.

One study said that saliva was the safest lube to use!

Bottom line, do not use what I have been using. My homebrew may be less safe than nothing. All I have to go on is the fact I have not been infected, yet anyway.

There is no such thing as safe sex. We all are at risk. Make your own choices and accept the consequences.

[QUOTE=BusterHymen;2784560]Well, in attempt to retrieve the studies I was referring to, I came across later studies that refuted my beliefs, somewhat anyway. (and refutes the studies you cite on nonoxynol-9).

There are a number of studies that show, as you say, Astroglide (and nonoxynol-9) inhibit both HSV-2 and HIV virii, HOWEVER, the later studies I found actually show that both chemical INCREASE the risk of transmission via vaginal and rectal tissue, because they both break down the cell barrier walls of vaginal and rectal tissue via their water absorbing characteristics. However, this doesn't address the effect on men. So this is inconclusive, for us anyway. (but has big implications for chicks and gay dudes.) Additionally, there are no definitive studies regarding Chlorhexidine Gluconate as it is not intended for this use. The conclusion of one of the studies was it was best to use silicone-based lubes as they do not cause tissue damage.

One study said that saliva was the safest lube to use!

Bottom line, do not use what I have been using. My homebrew may be less safe than nothing. All I have to go on is the fact I have not been infected, yet anyway.

There is no such thing as safe sex. We all are at risk. Make your own choices and accept the consequences.[/QUOTE]Some things about studies.

1) Yes, studies show that nonoxynol-9 DOES inhibit or kill HIV viruses. But it is important to note those studies were [I]in vitro[/I]: which means they were conducted in a dish in a laboratory. (I made this distinction clear) How things behave "in the wild" or in nature or in "real life" can often be different. So one of the problems with "studies" is that the results from the lab don't always translate to the real world.

2) The gold standard of studies is the double blind placebo control style of study. That means that half of the participants would be given nonoxynol-9 or some other "stuff" and the other half of the participants would be given something innocuous that had no protective effect. THEN ALL of the participants would be exposed to HIV and later tested to see how many contracted the virus. So would you sign up for a study where you had a 50% chance of being exposed to HIV with no "stuff" that might protect you? Or would you sign up for a study where the stuff might work or might not work yet still be exposed to HIV?

So therefore with a disease like this it is hard to conduct a valid and conclusive study to prove if the stuff works.

3) There are many other factors that can make a study invalid or "junk science. " But we won't go into that here. Just know that not all studies are valid, even though they sound good. Be particularly skeptical of "epidemiological studies" or studies done off of survey data. (as most of the "eat this, don't eat that" studies are those types.).

4) But I have seen some reports that nonoxynol-9 might irritate the upper reproductive tracts of women and as such could increase HIV transmission possibility. Now not to be cynical or anything but: a) Why does one care about that? Unless you have a vagina. And b) If you know you don't have HIV, then are you posing any additional risk?

5) How does one conclude anything related to transmission through the skin of the penis from the fact that nonoxynol-9 could have deleterious effects on mucus membranes or internal layers (vaginal walls and rectum)? How do those studies make it "inconclusive?" How can we project to that result or outcome?

5) What is the worst nonoxynol-9 or your concoction can do in this case? NOTHING? What if it has some efficacy, then what? So is it better to do nothing or do something?

6) But a discussion about "studies" and what they say without references and citations is just spitting into the wind. It has little value. I can argue my study says XYZ and with out a reference you can't refute it. So let's not play that game.

[QUOTE=BusterHymen;2784560]as you say, Astroglide (and nonoxynol-9) inhibit both HSV-2 and HIV virii,[/QUOTE]7) Finally, hey: Please don't put words in my mouth. I said I had seen a webpage that stated that studies showed nonoxynol-9 inhibited HIV, I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ASTROGLIDE and HIV inhibition! Hopefully that was a misstatement?

Still would like to see your references to the inhibitory effects of AstroGlide.

I've about given up on Astroglide and never did care too much for KY Jelly. With Astroglide I get a pretty good sheath around my dick along with more feeling, but as I've mentioned, The Jane Flow episodes, I've encountered, have always made a creamy experience into one of scrolled up sand paper. What I've noticed over the years, however, is that OB gel, ordered from Cal Vet type places or the local feed store, never display these qualities upon sticking my arm down a cow's ass to dislodge a firecracker wrapper, do a preg test on a cow, or check a bull's organs. None of the associated manure ever breaks through the OB gel liner, the way it would have with Astroglide. As a matter of fact, I just tried this OB gel with one of my Jane Flow regulars and was able to squirt off to completion; disengage, and notel wet towel off the shedding intact with the OB gel sheath.

As for the disinfectant technique, I've added Betadine to OB gel, just to be safe, but have found that it fucks with the slipperiness of the gel. Call it Hibiclens, should you wish, but the SOP for cleaning wounds is Dakin's solution. Hibiclens, is an overly expensive variation, pricey drug stores sell to the general public. Take about a half cup of Clorox to a quart of water and add Roach Pruff to it until the litmus paper runs neutral; this is all Hibiclens and Dakin's Solution are. Barely taste it, and there shouldn't be any salty taste. I slosh a little bit of this in with my OB gel and fill up an empty Astroglide bottle with it instead.

I am disappointed that there is another virus to ruin our fun. The one good thing is that there is a Zika vaccine that is currently being tested.

([URL]http://www.ndtv.com/health/worlds-first-zika-virus-vaccine-made-in-india-claim-scientists-1273149[/URL]).

[QUOTE=Hargow20;2787509]I am disappointed that there is another virus to ruin our fun. The one good thing is that there is a Zika vaccine that is currently being tested.

([URL]http://www.ndtv.com/health/worlds-first-zika-virus-vaccine-made-in-india-claim-scientists-1273149[/URL]).[/QUOTE]From the CDC:

[I]Zika virus is spread to people through mosquito bites. The most common symptoms of Zika virus disease are fever, rash, joint pain, and conjunctivitis (red eyes). The illness is usually mild with symptoms lasting from several days to a week. Severe disease requiring hospitalization is uncommon.[/I]

[URL]http://www.cdc.gov/zika/[/URL]

Zika in the United States and its territories:

No locally transmitted Zika cases have been reported in the continental United States, but cases have been reported in returning travelers.

[URL]http://www.cdc.gov/zika/geo/index.html[/URL]




Oh and from what I read in that article, human trials have not yet begun for the Zika virus. So it is likely it will be 5 years before the trials are done. Then if they show they are effective, who knows how long the FDA will sit on the results before approving the usage in the USA? Maybe the FDA won't like the design of the Chinese or Indian trials and require new trials in the US?

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;2787919]From the CDC:

[I]Zika virus is spread to people through mosquito bites. The most common symptoms of Zika virus disease are fever, rash, joint pain, and conjunctivitis (red eyes). The illness is usually mild with symptoms lasting from several days to a week. Severe disease requiring hospitalization is uncommon.[/I]

[URL]http://www.cdc.gov/zika/[/URL]

Zika in the United States and its territories:

No locally transmitted Zika cases have been reported in the continental United States, but cases have been reported in returning travelers.

[URL]http://www.cdc.gov/zika/geo/index.html[/URL]




Oh and from what I read in that article, human trials have not yet begun for the Zika virus. So it is likely it will be 5 years before the trials are done. Then if they show they are effective, who knows how long the FDA will sit on the results before approving the usage in the USA? Maybe the FDA won't like the design of the Chinese or Indian trials and require new trials in the US?[/QUOTE]Sorry but it is a STD. Established by transmission from male health worker to wife, who never ventured into area of infestation. Worst case scenario for pregnant women and their children. Effects for others not so devastating. Time for military grade OFF.

[QUOTE=Masonm;2787978]Sorry but it is a STD. Established by transmission from male health worker to wife, who never ventured into area of infestation. Worst case scenario for pregnant women and their children. Effects for others not so devastating. Time for military grade OFF.[/QUOTE]Hey, sorry to rain you your parade but can't figure out what all of the fuss is about?

I cited the US Center for Disease Control and their view of the virus. Interested to learn if there is medical proof that this virus was transmitted via sexual contact? Can you share that link?

From this seat it looks like this virus is relatively NON-EXISTANT in the USA. Sure if I travel to one of those areas on the map, then I would take precautions.

I'm thinking there are too many things to worry about in life than getting a virus that doesn't seem to exist much in the USA, and one that causes nothing more than cold symptoms and in most people isn't much of a medical concern. I could be wrong?

The probability of catching HIV is MUCH greater than this virus.

As I've mentioned on other threads of this forum, I've bedded down with SW's via telephone call up or MP for 5 x the price of picking up the same gals off the street. Not only that, but jacking off would have been better than the required rubbering up going the agency route. Likewise, I can't see paying $11.99 for an 8 oz. Bottle of Hibiclens, probably $34.99 in Californicate, when Clorox is often. 88 $ for a gallon jug here, in Texas. Maybe some class act etc, needs accomplishing, but doesn't the commodity of saving of saving $11.00 for a $40.00 SW ring a bell? The class act persona shit has already been blown with the stigma of being a monger. Surely, as well, the heavily drug addicted SW or agency peon isn't going to give a rat's ass anyway.

Back to bleach, I've had rabies infected rats to bite me; have immediately doused the bite with straight bleach, out of the bottle, and have never started foaming at the mouth a few days later. Bleach is a simple, inexpensive miracle cure right up there with penicillin. Just think of how less deadly some of our earlier wars would have been had they diluted the stuff and bandaged wounds with it.

As for STUTI's or any UTI's, for that matter, what is the point in taking antibiotics for it unless absolutely sure? These things kill off the good bugs, too, thereby rendering one more prone to later infections. I've been guilty of it, too, and have pumped myself full of feed store penicillin for strep, poison ivy, or other hives, but some of the broad spectrum stuff, nowadays, causes cardiac arrests.

What really works well for UTI's, is borax; One can buy a box of Mule Team at Walmart. Be sure to tell the security guard, at the door, that you're going to scrub your floors with it. That way the nanny state won't be alerted and knocking on your door as they with their euthanasia or hospital torture agenda. A teaspoon of this Borax per liter of boiling water, to be drunk over a few days, will kill off just about any UTI after drinking it for a couple of weeks. Copay fees, saved, can be placed in an SW fund, and no mention of your eluding the marriage institution will wind up on Prince Fedgov's database.

[QUOTE=TrustLust;2811339]

As for STUTI's or any UTI's, for that matter, what is the point in taking antibiotics for it unless absolutely sure? These things kill off the good bugs, too, thereby rendering one more prone to later infections. I've been guilty of it, too, and have pumped myself full of feed store penicillin for strep, poison ivy, or other hives, but some of the broad spectrum stuff, nowadays, causes cardiac arrests.
[/QUOTE]Eh, killing off the bacteria is a bit of a misnomer. Perhaps some of the useful bacteria in the GI track get killed, but not all. If one is worried about that a week's dose of probiotics ought to do the trick. I like the ones that are micro-encapsulated to prevent being killed by the acids in the stomach (Jarrow Formulas Jarro-Dophilus EPS).

[URL]http://www.jarrow.com/product/605/Jarro-Dophilus_EPS[/URL]

Efficacy reported here:
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21637030[/url]

[QUOTE=TrustLust;2811339]As I've mentioned on other threads of this forum, I've bedded down with SW's via telephone call up or MP for 5 x the price of picking up the same gals off the street. Not only that, but jacking off would have been better than the required rubbering up going the agency route. Likewise, I can't see paying $11.99 for an 8 oz. Bottle of Hibiclens, probably $34.99 in Californicate, when Clorox is often. 88 $ for a gallon jug here, in Texas. Maybe some class act etc, needs accomplishing, but doesn't the commodity of saving of saving $11.00 for a $40.00 SW ring a bell? The class act persona shit has already been blown with the stigma of being a monger. Surely, as well, the heavily drug addicted SW or agency peon isn't going to give a rat's ass anyway.

Back to bleach, I've had rabies infected rats to bite me; have immediately doused the bite with straight bleach, out of the bottle, and have never started foaming at the mouth a few days later. Bleach is a simple, inexpensive miracle cure right up there with penicillin. Just think of how less deadly some of our earlier wars would have been had they diluted the stuff and bandaged wounds with it.

As for STUTI's or any UTI's, for that matter, what is the point in taking antibiotics for it unless absolutely sure? These things kill off the good bugs, too, thereby rendering one more prone to later infections. I've been guilty of it, too, and have pumped myself full of feed store penicillin for strep, poison ivy, or other hives, but some of the broad spectrum stuff, nowadays, causes cardiac arrests.

What really works well for UTI's, is borax; One can buy a box of Mule Team at Walmart. Be sure to tell the security guard, at the door, that you're going to scrub your floors with it. That way the nanny state won't be alerted and knocking on your door as they with their euthanasia or hospital torture agenda. A teaspoon of this Borax per liter of boiling water, to be drunk over a few days, will kill off just about any UTI after drinking it for a couple of weeks. Copay fees, saved, can be placed in an SW fund, and no mention of your eluding the marriage institution will wind up on Prince Fedgov's database.[/QUOTE]I was remiss in not mentioning, that I've found that borax works exceptionally well for yeast infections, or that male jock itch, that the latest and greatest Micatin or Vagisil won't touch. One of my regulars has been putting out that odor that originates from the smegma of one of her other john's uncircumcision. When I was to mention this matter to her, she went on to explain that she has tried everything to no avail. I went on to tell her that borax always has worked for the kind of yeast infections milk cow's encounter. I see her a couple of more times, and the stench hasn't subsided. When I ask about the Mule Team, she claims to have tried it. Next, I find out she hasn't she hasn't been adding the cup of borax to the required large saucepan of boiling water before pouring it into her bathtub. Sho nuff, I see her couple of times later, no stink, other than the tuna fish, that makes me horny. She admits to the success of overcoming her yeast infection with borax soaking. Next, she wants to know whether I have any antibiotics that would cure all her many staph infected needle sites. When I tell her to go to the feed store for this, that, and the other, for her dog, of course, she exclaims, "Oh, that's what my mother used to do!" Instead, she's planning on going into the indigent ward of the hospital for some inept resident to give her antibiotics that could very well cause her kidney failure.

Want to know how so? Go to your Google bar and type in, " kidney failure from antibiotic abuse"; click the arrow to the right of the box, and spend years reading all that has been written on this matter.

The,"unwrapped option" does not appeal to me and I avoid meeting with providers that offer that.

[QUOTE=TailSct;2859778]So I thought I was booking a QV with Jamie [URL]http://tampa.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/a-fantasy-dream-come-true-sweet-and-sexy-petite-and-discrete-22-727-336-5374-22-yo/19353324[/URL] but when I got there, I swear it was Amber. [URL]http://www.bitchesofbackpage.com/954-951-3165/[/URL] I even asked her if she's Amber and she genuinely seemed clueless. Which ever chick she was, she was friendly and well spoken. She's at the extended stay off of Ulmerton. Her rates are as posted in the Jamie ad. I opted for the. 6 QV but to get BBBJ, she asked for another. 2. Then of course those that want to partake in BBFS, it's another. 2. I stuck with the BBBJDT with CFS for a total of. 8. When the hat went on, she climbed up for CG and man is she snug. Oh and she's natural and very clean to include her arms; no tracks. After about five minutes of CG, I took her pronounced pink pussy DS to finish in the hat. She said she'll be around probably another two weeks. She's down for pretty much anything, and the price only seems to go up. 2 for each fetish. As always, stay safe and happy humping.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GeddyLee1;2861459]The,"unwrapped option" does not appeal to me and I avoid meeting with providers that offer that.[/QUOTE]If you see ANY provider that offers BBBJ then you are just as 'at risk' of contracting an STD as I was while enjoying her BBBJ. I understand your trepidation for providers that outright advertise bare, many mongers feel the same. Just know that a condom only minimizes the risk of an STD with any provider. Says it right on the box. Another tidbit of knowledge. If I'm taking a provider and my bare skin, to include my balls, comes in contact with an open infection of lets say, herpes or HPV, then I now have said infection; for life. Just some nasty food for thought when we feel protected behind our prophylactic protection. It's a risky game we play fellas. As always, stay safe and happy humping.

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[QUOTE=GeddyLee1;2861459]The,"unwrapped option" does not appeal to me and I avoid meeting with providers that offer that.[/QUOTE]Hey not banging on you, as I see this kind of statement often, but-.

About half the guys out there, according to women, ask for and play BBFS. So it is safe to assume that just about ALL girls provide BBFS at some point or another.

Most are aware of the negative stigma associated with advertising BBFS, so they don't advertise it and might even state it isn't available.

The only way one can know for certain is to ASK! That is one of my standard questions. [B] I always ask about bbfs, so I can screen the field.[/B].

It is pretty amazing. If you ask outright, most of the time you get a knee-jerk reaction of "no. ' Ask a second time and then the true colors come out. You will either get an agreement, a counter offer for additional bills or a refusal. You'd be surprised how many fall into the first two categories! Yousa!

So don't fall into false thinking or comfort zone of no advertised BBFS means she doesn't do it.