"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Cabsauv1997;4204559]Answer is no. Not in your comfort zone and if she really wanted out, a roommate would be fine. That's your warning sign.[/QUOTE]As much as I adore and miss my former SB, she absolutely insisted she could not live with roommates. The one time she tried was with her best friend from HS (I was there to watch the slow motion train wreck), and to my knowledge she has still irrevocably wrecked that friendship. These sorts of personal limitations are fine as long as they remain NYP (Not Your Problem). But once they do (from firsthand experience), it is decidedly not a good thing. So it being out of your comfort zone (even apart from the co-signed lease) is a good instinct.

[QUOTE=Cabsauv1997;4204559]Answer is no. Not in your comfort zone and if she really wanted out, a roommate would be fine. That's your warning sign.[/QUOTE]Second this. Always stay in your comforts zone. However, you have some time invested in this one and haven't made it to home plate yet. So maybe it's worth another try to find a living situation that will work for her. Look on Craigslist or someplace and show her the listings of people looking for room mates. Maybe there is something that will appeal. A lot of people who need a room mate are willing to forgo the security deposit and lease, etc. Not many would let her move in without the first month's rent in hand, so you are quite there yet, but I say invest a little more effort in trying to work something out that (1) keeps you in you comfort zone; and (2) get you in her pants.

Took her to a big basketball watching party for the games narrowing to the sweet 16. She dressed appropriately in a dress that looks uncannily like she's a sexy referee. A good time at the party and lots of alcohol led to the hotel room where she showed me how much she enjoyed herself by having me enjoy myself immensely. She can suck for hours when she is high on booze and so she did. Then we proceeded to try every position I know. Reverse cowgirl up the ass was the conclusion the third time and it was my favorite because her ass is awesome to watch bobbing up and down on me like a sensual merry go round.

Life IS good my brothers.

[QUOTE=PeteMc;4202222]What's a good location to stay in RVA area if in town for a few days and want to meet some POTS?

(Hotels downtown seem expensive -- looking for nice rooms and things to do nearby but better value than downtown Richmond).[/QUOTE]What is the price difference?

Depending on the kind of POTs you are targeting, the nicer digs can facilitate nakedness. I don't like seeing pros who stay at the No Tell Motels, so chances are an SB would rather be near a cool bar and then be banged in a nicer establishment. Plus they tend to have better furniture, bathrooms and other accoutrements for creativity.

[QUOTE=DrSummer;4203635]I follow the same. Almost all the girls you find on SA are financially irresponsible. I do try to advise them, but I have no huge expectation they are going to change. Whether I give an allowance or how much is solely dependent on what she delivers (only after the delivery is done). I have done "monthly allowance", but it is just a guarantee from me that how many meets per month from my end, but not advancing money beforehand for the month. Whatever the sob stories they tell (some may actually be true), I try to help them with advice, but not advancing money.

[/QUOTE]I've met several college grads who have been laid off or under-employed or just in low paying work (I guess you can consider going into debt for a Masters to become a teacher as being financially irresponsible, but so it going to a private college for a liberal arts degree, so the entire generation is financially irresponsible).

Its the sob stories that separate the ass worth having from the crazy chaff.

As for advancing, I've only done it for two Long Term SBs and it was well worth it. Never more than one allowance -- and for one of the gals in particular, after about 6 months we stopped keeping track of allowances / orgasms. She'd just tell me what she needed help with -- pet deposit for new apartment, new tires -- and then we'd meet and she'd arrange for a pay the hotel and pretty much tie herself up for me to have my way with her. She liked that it did not feel transactional which really made her feel comfortable and totally uninhibited. She literally dripped with gratitude.

Granted such situations are quite rare -- takes time and a non-crazy SB to get there, but the pay off is pretty amazing.

But one thing Ill second -- giving advice on how not to be a financial train wreck can also be a strong aphrodisiac. These gals are looking for a father figure to help them navigate adulthood. Whether its helping them find renter's insurance, getting a better / cheaper cell plan, evaluating job options, reviewing grad school applications or feeding them job leads (the aforementioned gal now has a much higher paying, FT job she loves thanks to my finding a lead and encouraging her to apply) -- and it helps them see you in a non-monger light -- "he's helping me and I did not HAVE to blow him" -- which leads to some great thank you sex.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4205569]
Its the sob stories that separate the ass worth having from the crazy chaff.

[/QUOTE]I think I have heard almost everything, but there is always a new sob story that tops the previous.

One SB was getting divorced, couldn't stand being with her hubby even one more day and needed a place to stay. Like semi-permanently. She was willing to clean and cook and let me have my way with her any time I wanted. I thought better of that and all the potential problems, so I alternatively suggested 100 a meet to help with expenses. She jumped at it and I had the best times with her for several months before I moved on to the inevitable variety of pussy out there for hire.

Congrats on getting that far.

I agree with the advice of the others on here mentioned on two fronts, one you can't sign for it or anything like that, and the no roomie thing is a red flag. She's either got issues, or just as likely playing you as really not in all that bad a situation, more looking for sort of a perfect situation if she can get it. If you'll take care of getting her own place, why not? But if she has to risk a shitty roomie, forget it, she'll stick where she is.

I probably wouldn't quite move on, if only just b / c I hadn't hit it tbh, and the BJ tells you that she's going to get there imo. I'd say this is something you'd like to help with, and probably could figure out a way to do so if this was going to be an ongoing arrangement (partially true). But you haven't established that there is the type of chemistry that you can both be confident that it would make sense (I. E. Need to do a full FC or two). Don't make any promises, but still provide her generous sugar for those meetings. If she blows your socks off, an don't want to lose her, look on CL for sublets or the like where she can do it personally and you just put up the cash.

[QUOTE=DrSummer;4203683]Good news, and unexpected twist.

Week 6: She agreed to go to a movie again on a Monday. Again, no one else in the theater for that show (lucky me). This time, one more step ahead. She gave me a blow job (showed inexperience, but a good experience nevertheless). She allowed me touching her under the panties while we was working on my jr. Didn't swallow, spit it out. All good and happy. I upped the allowance to 150.

Week 7: Here is the twist. Two days after the movie date, she texted me asking if I could help her renting an apartment. Either I have to get it on my name or co-sign the lease. She has no credit rating and has no one to co-sign. She told me earlier when we first met that she doesn't like the situation at home and trying to find her own place. According to her, her dad is an asshole. He does contracting, building, construction type of work. He expects her and her brothers to do all the work related to his construction (carpentry etc) at home and pays nothing. And she doesn't have time to do a job. Also her dad seems to be bitching about that she is 19 and not paying rent to him. Her mom is not in a capacity to help her out either. She told me at least twice before that she was looking for places to move out, but never asked my help. In fact she has never asked any help or told me any sob stories. It is possible she planned this all along and waiting for the right time to tell me. I asked her other options like moving in with a friend etc. She is not keen to have a roommate. She has found this apartment very close to her nursing school and reasonable rent etc, The rent per month is well below 1000 which is fine with me given the allowance I would give someone for about 4 meet per month. But, I am not comfortable with getting into such situation where I am connected to her with a paper trail and this is too early to reveal my identity. I have not committed to her yet although I didn't say no either. We haven't met after that. I see the frequency of texts from her is going down. I think I am at a crossroads here and tell her what I choose. I will most likely let this go. Yes, I like her and she could be a great SB if I help her out here. But, still out of my comfort zone.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.[/QUOTE]

Agree, many of the sob stories are true, it's usually why they're doing this. But yes, falling for it as a reason you should provide something over and above the agreement / norm or an advance is literally insane. If it's an advance, she'll ghost, and if it's extra sugar the stories will keep on coming and if you don't continue the additional help, then she ghosts in search of the next sucker.

I say no always, and almost always they keep seeing me (though sometimes the request turns me off and I move on). But the reality is usually they are seeing more than one guy and I suspect the others are not saying no, even had one tell me as much after one of our 2+ hour FC visits for 200. The way she talked about the other daddy was almost contemptuous BTW, wasn't even a hint of gratitude. My guess is that they on some level look at guys who fall for it the same way I do, as a sucker or a mark.

[QUOTE=DogBert77;4199440]I would say yes and no.

Yes, I actually do believe that a lot of these girls have pretty crazy lives, are irresponsible, and have a lot of bad shit happen to them. No, I don't let my belief or disbelief affect the amount or timing of what I give them. I give them a modest donation AFTER I have had sex with them. I don't mind whether they use the whole amount to get their nails done at the most expensive salon in town, or to bail their deadbeat dad out of jail, or whatever. If they need more, we need to schedule another visit, assuming their performance warrants it. I don't pay more per visit, and I don't pay in advance. If my donation can help them with their run of bad luck, great, everybody is happy. If their misfortunes are so monumental that incremental donations are of no use? Next!

My take on the whole thing is that at the end of the day, of course it's a financial transaction. If you met the same girl behind the counter of your local coffee shop, are you going to give her $400 for a $4 latte because her car got towed that morning? I do everything I can not to rub their noses in the financial realities, in the hope and expectation that they will provide an experience that doesn't feel transactional, but none of that changes how much or when they get paid.[/QUOTE]

I will be traveling to your state this Thursday. Staying in Reston VA. I'm looking for advice on what towns to search on SA. Also if anyone knows any babies that are traveler friendly in that area?

I presume, like me, all of you SDs have a 'life list' that you are updating with each score of a SB. Please dish, exactly how are you saving up those memories? And doing it safely, away from prying eyes? FFA.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4206356]I presume, like me, all of you SDs have a 'life list' that you are updating with each score of a SB. Please dish, exactly how are you saving up those memories? And doing it safely, away from prying eyes? FFA.[/QUOTE]I'm not compiling the equivalent of notches in my belt, but I do I have Aegis secure USB stick, which has some photos and video that I would not want anyone else to see. For my own sake, and more importantly, my former SB's sake. I also use it to make snapshots of financial and other important data that I would want disaster-proof but also inaccessible to only me.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4206356]I presume, like me, all of you SDs have a 'life list' that you are updating with each score of a SB. Please dish, exactly how are you saving up those memories? And doing it safely, away from prying eyes? FFA.[/QUOTE]Gee, I feel sort of like a slacker that I don't. I've only been in the bowl six months and I'm already forgetting some of the girls. I certainly don't have anything that lists every score in my LIFE. That's inconceivable. I do have a few photos of memorable SB's I would like to keep. I am really low tech about it. I just email them to myself using my monger email, then save them in a folder. There is probably something wrong with that approach, but I'm not sure what it is.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4206356]I presume, like me, all of you SDs have a 'life list' that you are updating with each score of a SB. Please dish, exactly how are you saving up those memories? And doing it safely, away from prying eyes? FFA.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. I have photos of every SB "score. " At last count it was up to 276. Not quite the 20,000 that Wilt Chamberlain bragged about (and his presumably were all free), but to approach those kinds of numbers I would have to retire early and fuck SBs as my full time occupation. Not a terrible proposition at all.

I find my photo collection a terrific way to walk down sensual and sexual memory lane. And obviously excellent spanking material.

I don't have a SO to hide my photos from, but, if I did, I would simply encrypt the photo file to keep it away from prying eyes.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4206356]I presume, like me, all of you SDs have a 'life list' that you are updating with each score of a SB. Please dish, exactly how are you saving up those memories? And doing it safely, away from prying eyes? FFA.[/QUOTE]One of the MILFs I met on WYP -- whom I never paid -- like having money shot souveniers. She would hand me her phone, as me to take some photos and then would email me her faves. Our first encounter's photo memory was a shot of her ass, with a vibrating butt plug with its glowing end stuffed in her, and her hands bound at the small of her back, just beneath the pool of cum I deposited on her. She showed me some of her others. Her face or body parts glistening.

One 20 yo I saw would take selfies of herself while I plowed her ass doggie style. Basically her contorted face with my headless torso mounting her from behind. She later gave me the phone and I videoed her expressions while I drilled her mercilessly in Mish and she came buckets. She then sent them too me.

I own my own small business and filed them on a corner of my workplace server only I have access too and buried them several folders deep under innocuous names. Sherlock Holmes would have trouble finding them.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4206356]I presume, like me, all of you SDs have a 'life list' that you are updating with each score of a SB. Please dish, exactly how are you saving up those memories? And doing it safely, away from prying eyes? FFA.[/QUOTE]I used to have a legacy spreadsheet, but I deleted it, as thinking about all the money I spent kinda depressed me. I used to spend a lot back in the day. Glad I deleted it. As far as pics I also had a ton of them, one day I got paranoid and deleted 90% of them after reading about so many people that have gotten in trouble because they had questionable pics on their HD that got into the wrong hands. Mine were all legal, but I don't need someone thinking maybe they weren't due to all the 18 and 19 year olds that maybe someone would have thought were younger. I am sorry I did that. Also I was obsessing on them a bit too much.

But in retrospect (as far as the dinero), I stopped counting at 200 girls a long time ago. But I am sure all of them combined was less that a third of what I spent on my last wife. Which is why there will never be another. lol

This one is good to go with giving head only. That was her first message to me when I sent out my generic greeting. Probably caught her when she tired of guys asking stuff so she put it out there. That's all I know as she blocked me when my reply to that wasn't to her liking.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f4cf34ae-77ad-4c1e-b6a1-f7cbda5bcb1d[/URL]

Is it just me, or has SA changed the way they present messages? The old trick to read after your membership expires doesn't seem to work anymore.

[QUOTE=Hal1957;4207493]Is it just me, or has SA changed the way they present messages? The old trick to read after your membership expires doesn't seem to work anymore.[/QUOTE]I just read 3 messages using a Mac and Chrome with no issue. The only issue I have is that too many ladies just like to say Hi and not leave contact info which you need since you cannot respond if you are not a paying member.

[QUOTE=Skidxxx;4205643]I will be traveling to your state this Thursday. Staying in Reston VA. I'm looking for advice on what towns to search on SA. Also if anyone knows any babies that are traveler friendly in that area?[/QUOTE]DC is a tough town to sugar on a budget. There's lots of money in that town and asking prices from SB's are often very high. 400-500 seems to be the average all over DC, Faifax & Loudoun. Manasses gets a little less expensive. You're betteroff going south towards Woodbridge or North to Baltimore.

NOVA also has it's own relatively active SB thread.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4206356]I presume, like me, all of you SDs have a 'life list' that you are updating with each score of a SB. Please dish, exactly how are you saving up those memories? And doing it safely, away from prying eyes? FFA.[/QUOTE]TrueCrypt is a free encryption software. It is now not being managed by the group that kept it upgraded and secure for years. Microsoft and others provide encryption but I would expect a backdoor for LE in any of these. I still use TrueCrypt and love it, you can encrypt a folder, a entire drive and a jump drive. As long as you are careful when you set it up it is perfect security. Never email any photo or other data that you want secure, those things live forever. When you sell or give away your computer then use a secure data overwrite program that covers and delete any tracks. Better yet follow Hillery and use a hammer to delete the drive.

[QUOTE=Walruscl;4206724]I'm not compiling the equivalent of notches in my belt, but I do I have Aegis secure USB stick, which has some photos and video that I would not want anyone else to see. For my own sake, and more importantly, my former SB's sake. I also use it to make snapshots of financial and other important data that I would want disaster-proof but also inaccessible to only me.[/QUOTE]Appreciate all of those responses. I have an encrypted USB that holds everything related to the bowl, including the browsers I use, etc. I keep screenshots (PDFs used to work but don't now) of the SA profiles of anyone I've FC'd or had significant messaging w /, especially if they give me a weird vibe. Just for my own protection, in case they were to come back at me sometime w / some threat. I also track down SM of girls when I can get their full names, which is usually pretty easy to do. All of that goes into separate folders. I have a few sexy shots girls have sexted to me, but most are just the profile pics.

Not sure how it happened but my browser switched to a different mode in the filters area and wouldn't show the messages. Back to normal now thank goodness. My profile instructs them to send an alternate contact in their first message. Most girls can figure that out. The ones who can't, probably aren't reading my profile anyway. My collection of SB phone numbers for texting grows daily. I travel extensively and change my profile locations to reflect places where it would be convenient to spend the night. Still learning but amazing how many 18-24 why / o girls want to sack out with grampa!

[QUOTE=Roxoff801;4207776]I just read 3 messages using a Mac and Chrome with no issue. The only issue I have is that too many ladies just like to say Hi and not leave contact info which you need since you cannot respond if you are not a paying member.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=InTight;4207957]TrueCrypt is a free encryption software. It is now not being managed by the group that kept it upgraded and secure for years. Microsoft and others provide encryption but I would expect a backdoor for LE in any of these. I still use TrueCrypt and love it, you can encrypt a folder, a entire drive and a jump drive. As long as you are careful when you set it up it is perfect security. Never email any photo or other data that you want secure, those things live forever. When you sell or give away your computer then use a secure data overwrite program that covers and delete any tracks. Better yet follow Hillery and use a hammer to delete the drive.[/QUOTE]You are correct that TrueCrypt is no longer being supported. Additionally, there were reports of a possible flaw in the software that could compromise its security capabilities. However, if your wife doesn't have a degree in computer forensics and you're not likely to be on LE radar for more than banging sugar babies, I'd say it's probably good enough.

VeraCrypt is the continuation of the TrueCrypt project, with up to date security. Works very similarly to TrueCrypt.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4208810]Appreciate all of those responses. I have an encrypted USB that holds everything related to the bowl, including the browsers I use, etc. I keep screenshots (PDFs used to work but don't now) of the SA profiles of anyone I've FC'd or had significant messaging w /, especially if they give me a weird vibe. Just for my own protection, in case they were to come back at me sometime w / some threat. I also track down SM of girls when I can get their full names, which is usually pretty easy to do. All of that goes into separate folders. I have a few sexy shots girls have sexted to me, but most are just the profile pics.[/QUOTE]Which browser do you use, on a thumbdrive? This is interesting.

I'm currently using the Epic browser for hobby activities, and use its encrypted VPN feature. I'm sure there are holes in this method, as you get what you pay for (free). I should upgrade to a paid VPN.

Maybe my profile is missing the mark complete but I do not have a "list of phone numbers growing daily". Perhaps it is your income? Would you mind giving me a high level summary of your profile? I barely get any action and it has been 2 months.

I think I am doing something wrong. I'll write a longer report here tonight. Perhaps the collective wisdom of this thread can point me in the right direction.

[QUOTE=Hal1957;4209667]Not sure how it happened but my browser switched to a different mode in the filters area and wouldn't show the messages. Back to normal now thank goodness. My profile instructs them to send an alternate contact in their first message. Most girls can figure that out. The ones who can't, probably aren't reading my profile anyway. My collection of SB phone numbers for texting grows daily. I travel extensively and change my profile locations to reflect places where it would be convenient to spend the night. Still learning but amazing how many 18-24 why / o girls want to sack out with grampa![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;4189521]As the person who wrote the original tip:

The difference probably isn't the OS, it's what browser you're using. It looks like "Epic Browser" is a fork of Chrome / Chromium, so the DevTools should exist and I'd expect them to be similar to what I described. But, yeah, it may be possible it doesn't have an "object tree" view of the retrieved response, just the "raw JSON string" view.

Also, depending on timing, you may have opened up the DevTools _after_ the "Inbox" network request finished, in which case it might not show up in the list. Don't close the DevTools window here. Just hitting F5 to refresh that conversation page should re-request all the data, and the "Inbox" request item should appear in that DevTools list.

All the messages _should_ be in that response. There's a copy of the latest one by itself, and then _all_ of the messages later on.[/QUOTE]I am using a Mac with Chrome as I have always used for this, and it is still possible to read the messages, but it seems that instead of the "Inbox" it now says "Sent" All still works the same, but there no longer is an Inbox that appears. Anyone else have this or is it just me?

I was there for 4 nights. Started talking way early.

Had chatted with at least 15 POT. 3-4 we're pros and I was not interested. Narrowed down to 5 - got ghosted by 2 - remaining 3 got sick the morning of meeting. One actually came down for lunch but said she was too sick to enjoy private time.

Came back without a notch to show for.

Lessons learned -.

SA scene is very different there. It's either pros or SB that flake out. Knowing Spanish might help.

I was extra careful of scams in Spain so was very diligent in selection. I guess I went wrong somewhere but damage was lunch money.

[QUOTE=Nps787;4214691]I was there for 4 nights. Started talking way early.

Had chatted with at least 15 POT. 3-4 we're pros and I was not interested. Narrowed down to 5 - got ghosted by 2 - remaining 3 got sick the morning of meeting. One actually came down for lunch but said she was too sick to enjoy private time.

Came back without a notch to show for.

Lessons learned -.

SA scene is very different there. It's either pros or SB that flake out. Knowing Spanish might help.

I was extra careful of scams in Spain so was very diligent in selection. I guess I went wrong somewhere but damage was lunch money.[/QUOTE]I feel your pain not hooking up when overseas.

I haven't shared this story yet. So here was my experience.

SA scene was limited in Tokyo. But managed to connect with a half American half Japanese SB. She was drop dead gorgeous.

Communication was no problem, we switched to LINE and WhatsApp. Chatted for 2 weeks before I arrived. So we got to know each other already. She arrived at my hotel and stared kissing right away. She was shy in public, but it was meant to be our one night together. Had dinner at Golden Gai. She was so sweet, she gave me mochi as a present. She spent the night with me. Had mult sessions all night. She loves DATY. Come morning, I got breakfast for us and she read the newpaper to me In Japanese. One more romp for fun and she was off. I paid 200 US dollars. That's it. We still keep in touch. She out of the SA scene and living with her fianc now. I got very lucky on my trip.

[QUOTE=Kwagmire;4211386]Which browser do you use, on a thumbdrive? This is interesting.

I'm currently using the Epic browser for hobby activities, and use its encrypted VPN feature. I'm sure there are holes in this method, as you get what you pay for (free). I should upgrade to a paid VPN.[/QUOTE]I use EPIC and Tor. I use Epic for SA and GV. If you try to use Tor w / GV, you get all kinds of validation questions b / c your IP address is jumping all over the place. W / EPIC, you can pick the exit node onto the web from about 8 choices, and then the browser sticks w / that. So it looks like I am at their server farm in San Jose. LOL! I use Tor for my safe email, which is hushmail. You used to be able to get a free account provided you signed in eery 3 weeks, but I don't think they offer that. I pay $50/ yr for that, it gives me unlimited email aliases, which I needed when SA kicked me off for no good reason. I am steady w / my current profiles, one more active, one less so, but if I were to need a new profile, I'd need a new email, and the only easy way to get that is with an alias. I also use TOR for this site, just because it seems safe not to leave breadcrumbs. I used to use TOR w / SA but that doesn't work in my experience.

And as I said earlier, running these things off the USB stick, I never can find any traces of the programs, etc. Once I quit the browser and eject the drive. I think that's for the best.

So finally decided to test SA waters and see.

One point that keeps popping is hosting. How does one host with minimal chance of staff / girl finding out.

Don't care about any SO etc.

But don't want a girl to flirt with front desk and get any info. Yes true, it should not be done but shit happens all the time.

If one uses Hotwire etc. Then what is the risk?

Thanks,

[QUOTE=RegularJoe1985;4217458]So finally decided to test SA waters and see.

One point that keeps popping is hosting. How does one host with minimal chance of staff / girl finding out.

Don't care about any SO etc.

But don't want a girl to flirt with front desk and get any info. Yes true, it should not be done but shit happens all the time.

If one uses Hotwire etc. Then what is the risk?

Thanks,[/QUOTE]They all have to ask for photo I'd of the person checking in, so don't check in with the girl. Ideally do so ahead of time. I like to check in ahead of time and then slide the girl the key while at lunch or drinks so she can go up before me and freshen up / change into her fuck clothes. Big caveat -- the nicer the hotel, the more likely they are to have video check out, which means if she turns on the TV, she can see your name. Take the batteries out of the remote and hide them.

Ideally, you find out her real name and book it in her name and have her check in (will need a credit or debit card for incidentals, but won't cost her a penny if you don't order pay per view or raid the mini bar).

If a front desk agent gives out guest information, you can sue them senseless. Just ask Erin Andrews, so I would not worry about that too much.

Any of you use PELOTON?

I've been using my wife's Peloton a few days a week. Seen a few hotties in the background on the classes, but am really curious about the social connection aspect.

You can see the profiles of who is in the class with you online or anyone who has taken the class -- and about half the profiles have a head shot and some clever user name. Then you have about 50 characters to display your age range, Gender, location and a short message -- lots of hashtag stuff.

As you can imagine, high % of hotties come up in the feed of current or past participants. You can "High five" anyone who is online when you are and they can high five you back.

Today some woman just high fived me out of the blue. Nice looking blonde in her 30's from my state. I avoid initiating any high fives in case my wife pops in to see what class I'm on -- can alwasy say I hgh five them back out of courtesy. I got to think a high % of single women -- and even some married ones -- would be up for some sugar adventures. You know they are fit and decent looking in advance.

Would love to do an experiment to use a user name something like "SugarDaddySpins" and see how many high fives I get. Maybe include a unique hashtag -- or even a google voice number --that would allow them to find and contact you
Bet it would be pretty epic results.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4217654]They all have to ask for photo I'd of the person checking in, so don't check in with the girl. Ideally do so ahead of time. I like to check in ahead of time and then slide the girl the key while at lunch or drinks so she can go up before me and freshen up / change into her fuck clothes. Big caveat -- the nicer the hotel, the more likely they are to have video check out, which means if she turns on the TV, she can see your name. Take the batteries out of the remote and hide them.

Ideally, you find out her real name and book it in her name and have her check in (will need a credit or debit card for incidentals, but won't cost her a penny if you don't order pay per view or raid the mini bar).

If a front desk agent gives out guest information, you can sue them senseless. Just ask Erin Andrews, so I would not worry about that too much.[/QUOTE]That is a nice information to take batteries out of remote. I was thinking of turning on the TV to muffle sound. Perhaps turn it on and then hide the batteries. Is there a way to ensure that TV can be turned on without name appearing on screen?

How do I get her to check in without her using her own credit / debit card?

I guess I've been going to incalls all this time I have no idea on how to do an outcall.

I like the motels that have rooms accessible from outside so I don't need to bring any luggage in while checking whereas that looks strange when one is going inside a closed wall hotel without any luggage.

Hotwire is good but it does not always have room at those kind of motels.

If I book myself on Hotwire, I have to give all details, but can use a vanilla card to pay for it. Do I not have to show that card while checking in? I don't have a problem of card statements etc. No S. O. Issues etc. But don't want all PII to be available at all places.

I have been reading the posts on this site for a short while now and finally decided to jump in. I have been in the bowl in Detroit for a few years and have plenty to add here from my experiences. Currently, I have a small rotation of gals that I chat with and one that I see regularly. I go on and off SA depending on my mood and my wallet. One of the reasons that I decided now to speak up here (other than to add value to the site) is that I finally landed a unicorn. She is mid 30's single, busty, hot, has her own apartment and believe it or not no longer requires sugar from me. It's amazed me to no end but she loves to spend private time two or three times a week and she is financially independent. I now gift her stuff whenever I can. She doesn't want the obligations of a traditional relationship and is not into guys her age. More details to follow.

[QUOTE=RegularJoe1985;4217930] Is there a way to ensure that TV can be turned on without name appearing on screen?[/QUOTE]No. It either does or doesn't. I use my spotify on my phone to muffle screams and set mood music.

[QUOTE=RegularJoe1985;4217930] How do I get her to check in without her using her own credit / debit card?[/QUOTE]A) Ideally she would have one. My ATF SB would book the room herself and I would include reimbursement in my allowance B) You still need her real name to put the room in her name since they will check her I'd, but I've done it where I'; ve called the hotel, said I was bringing someone in for an interview or a meeting and booked the room in her name, then I'd swing by the hotel and say I wanted to pay for the room for my "employee" or consultant. That way all she has to do is pick up the key.

OK, many of you SDs presumably have a reputation you care about, now and in the hereafter. What provisions have you made to have everything associated w / the bowl purged should you meet your maker in an untimely and unexpected way. I have a trusted colleague who has received a sealed envelope from me, w / instructions to open it and do what it says if I buy the farm.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4219090]OK, many of you SDs presumably have a reputation you care about, now and in the hereafter. What provisions have you made to have everything associated w / the bowl purged should you meet your maker in an untimely and unexpected way. I have a trusted colleague who has received a sealed envelope from me, w / instructions to open it and do what it says if I buy the farm.[/QUOTE]I could care less what people think of me when I'm dead but I am curious what you have that needs a second person to get rid of? Pics and vids are encrypted and hidden so nobody accessing my computer would find them unless they knew where to look and I don't pay with anything traceable.

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I like the motels that have rooms accessible from outside so I don't need to bring any luggage in while checking whereas that looks strange when one is going inside a closed wall hotel without any luggage
.[/QUOTE]What I don't like about such rooms is that there is much more opportunity for people to see who is going in and out. What I usually do in hotels with interior rooms is to check in, go out to my car and park it on the appropriate end of the hotel, and then use my room key to get through a side door. That way, I don't have to walk past the desk to get to the room. I am usually carrying a messenger bag and a large briefcase, so they can't tell what I have with me anyway.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4217654]They all have to ask for photo I'd of the person checking in, so don't check in with the girl. Ideally do so ahead of time. I like to check in ahead of time and then slide the girl the key while at lunch or drinks so she can go up before me and freshen up / change into her fuck clothes. Big caveat -- the nicer the hotel, the more likely they are to have video check out, which means if she turns on the TV, she can see your name. Take the batteries out of the remote and hide them.

Ideally, you find out her real name and book it in her name and have her check in (will need a credit or debit card for incidentals, but won't cost her a penny if you don't order pay per view or raid the mini bar).

If a front desk agent gives out guest information, you can sue them senseless. Just ask Erin Andrews, so I would not worry about that too much.[/QUOTE]Seems like way too much trouble. My main concern with my LTSB was to make it easy for her to get up to my room & avoiding the front desk.

I stayed in the same hotel in a resort town, mid range hotel with a great suite, kitchen, sitting room with gas fireplace, king size separate bed room & bath. He named it our honeymoon suite!

I had a great relationship with the front desk. They'd let me check in as early as 8:30 am. My Baby was a coed with a live in BF so we'd meet for 3-8 hours during the day. We couldn't go out in public. I didn't want her parading her gorgeous little ass by the front desk. Then they'd check the cameras out of curiosity to see where she was going. I wasn't worried about her knowing who I was because we literally knew everything about each other.

Also, she appreciated having a key to come on the back door & avoiding thevwalk of shame when coming & especially going.

My pick up has a shelf in the front bumper, just above the license plate. Perfect place to leave her a room key.

An added bonus would be the anticipation when hearing her insert the key, open the door than literally hop over to the couch I was sitting on. She'd jump in my lap and plant a big kiss on me & say "what ya been doing" my answer was always the same, "not much, just thinking about you!" I'd always have a bottle or two of her favorite wine & lunch with dessert.

Miss her tons. We knew it had to eventually end. Still sucks though:

[QUOTE=LoVecchio;4219415]What I don't like about such rooms is that there is much more opportunity for people to see who is going in and out. What I usually do in hotels with interior rooms is to check in, go out to my car and park it on the appropriate end of the hotel, and then use my room key to get through a side door. That way, I don't have to walk past the desk to get to the room. I am usually carrying a messenger bag and a large briefcase, so they can't tell what I have with me anyway.[/QUOTE]That's a good point.

So since making my first outcall, I was wondering if.

Using Hotwire is okay since I need to provide name and address as it appears on DL and a valid CC. CC is okay as I don't have SO looking at that.

OR.

Should I just book the room on site and provide my DL and CC? In this case, the girl is in my car, so I'll need to remove all paperwork from glove compartment.

Still thinking what's the best way to book the room so that apart from the above I can leave without having to checkout at desk.

Anything else I should look for as I go about my first outcall. .