"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2090861]I'm not 32 anymore but I can tell you that hooking up with 18-22 year olds in the civy world is tough even at that age, because you're competing with every horny prick that's between 18 and 40 for the same piece of ass even if you are in your early 30's!. And, in the civy world they are looking at the dude with the same scrutiny we would be looking at a long-term partner, the only difference in the male vs. Female perspective being that if we see them as having no future potential, we ask ourselves "well are they at least fuckable?" while in the civy world, if you have no future potential to them, you're excluded as early as possible.

I can never remember a time in civy dating where I didn't have to be constantly on the hunt. SD'ing is different because once there is money on the table, there's always some young thing that needs to pay the bills, or is a closet pro, or whatever.

In civy dating you don't try for young hotties once you're over a certain age. You do find them sometimes if you're in good shape and attractive for your age, but you are thankful when you find something good that's in the 10-15 year younger range. You can detect them on the civy sites by their desired specified age range, but for the most part they are few and far between. Sometimes you encounter a real treat that makes all the hunting and legwork worthwhile. Honestly once they get over 30 anything is possible because their clock is ticking loud to them at that point, so if you find a good 30-35 year old sometimes you get your nuts rocked in ways these SBs cannot compare to. Yet, if you date them it won't last much longer, especially if you're like me and you have no intention of having kids so the load is going either in their mouth, on their tits, in their hair or if things get really bad onto your keyboard. Some of the best pussy you get in the 28-35 range is from single moms who want a baby daddy and to me that sounds a lot like sugar daddy but with emotional obligations as well as financial.

What you're really looking for in civy dating is (ideally) a satisfying long term partner, but knowing how elusive that is, you're looking to get the best possible free sex (well, it always costs doesn't it? Dinner, etc).

In my case I like having someone to spend time with each evening that doesn't drive me crazy, so if I were single right now I would be looking for a partner first, sexual satisfaction second. It would be great to find an ideal companion to spend time with just hanging out, watching TV or movies, dining, etc that also rocks my world sexually and leaves me uninterested in outside encounters, but I find that unrealistic in my case. I just crave variety so it doesn't seem possible. In the big scheme of things I actually feel somewhat proud of the fact that I only become an SD when my GF travels overseas to visit with her family. I'm faithful the rest of the time and probably wouldn't misbehave if she didn't leave me alone. My mind works in creative ways when I'm alone.

So, how as far as % time spent civy, I think it depends on how much you prefer a partner / companion compared to just sex. The variety is addictive, but of course the difference is that if you get sick tomorrow your partner will at least shed a tear and drive you to surgery, whereas the SBs won't have anything to do with you once they know the ATM machine is out of order. It just comes down to individual priorities. I'd love to have more months out of the year to do the SB thing but no matter how much we have there's never enough, so I try to appreciate what I have now and not get greedy.[/QUOTE]I guess what I meant was. What percentage outside the SO relationship if you have one. So in your case I guess 100% of the time.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2090868]I guess what I meant was. What percentage outside the SO relationship if you have one. So in your case I guess 100% of the time.[/QUOTE]Oh. In that case, yes when straying from the SO relationship I would be 100% SD. Although I did sign up for a couple of civy sites this past season, but I made clear in my profile that I was looking for an SB, and that does not attract much action on civy sites. The one exception might be POF, which makes it easier than most civy sites to hit up the disproportionately young POTS. I did not bang anyone I met on POF but to be honest that was mostly because in only one month out of the year, all the girls "look new", and just keeping up with the ones on the SB sites are a chore, so no time or energy left for POF. I have met some good younger, free fuck buddies on POF in the past that were looking to date but probably would have been open to SD / SB under the right conditions. Just a matter of casting a wide net -- as they say like sex itself, the more you put in the more you get out. Invest time in POF and you'll get some good stuff but it may take more emails.

The basic issue with civy sites is that they are designed to produce matches, so unless the girl specifies she has an open upper age range (and some of them do, its just that they seem rare compared to on the SB sites), you'll find the pickings slim. This of course becomes increasingly disadvantageous as you get older, assuming you enter your real age. I usually try to shave a few years off my age in my profile and I explain it to them later. I will probably shave more years off as I get older as long as I can physically get away with it.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2090811]What percentage do you guys civi date vs sugar date. For me its 100% sugar. I mean really, at 60 where am I going to hook-up with any kinky 18 to 22 year olds (or any age for that matter). And yes I have read some very interesting approaches to doing that. But they don't work for a old school desk jockey, new school internet geek like me.[/QUOTE]100% sugar dating for me. I have zero interest in traditional long-term relationships.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2090811]What percentage do you guys civi date vs sugar date. For me its 100% sugar. I mean really, at 60 where am I going to hook-up with any kinky 18 to 22 year olds (or any age for that matter). And yes I have read some very interesting approaches to doing that. But they don't work for a old school desk jockey, new school internet geek like me.[/QUOTE]Maybe my perspective will change in time but, as a Man just months out of a 24 year marriage, I don't see ever going to civi dating. I'm 56 and in decent shape. I am truly amazed how old women my age range look! I've never been someone who could fck a personality. I need old fashioned physical attraction and I'm not seeing that in my decade. By the way my Ex is 40 so I was a bit spoiled in some ways these last 24 years.

Despite my rough start, I am sure that the SD / SB life is the one for me.

I have a m / g today with a 21 year old spinner Latina. She seems to be a legit student as she says needing tuition money. She has been very reserved on texts and is cautious about meeting. Wants to be very discreet. We are meeting at 1 to casually talk and see "what happens".

The only problem; she is married. Hmmm.

The absolute smoke 22 year old in Myrtle Beach emails me every day. We are constantly talking about meeting when I get in the area. She seems legit by talking to her. But I just assume as hot as she is and the fact that she use to model this is a common thing for her.

My FB has rinsed me of $ I am 100 % on all advances over $ . After 1 month I am giving it up on her. I am cured of the delusion that these babies are honorable. If they are Nando 1 s and want advances then dollars to donuts they are looking to scam you. If you give them enough to walk, even short time, then they will. They can't help it. Then they are too ashamed to come back even if the door is open. Why they give up the future prospect of $s to score a short time $ I will never understand, but we don't think the same.

If single I would emulate Hollywood. 100% ! I like being by myself until I want company. So hire a hottie. Hmmm, sounds like a catchy name for an escort or Sugar site. Hire a Hottie dot something. You entrepreneurs can have that name. The thing is, as other brothers have alluded to. There is no way a 60 + yr old can gain access to a 20 + yr old without sugar involved, period. Well, back to the drawing board to find a new FB.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2091259]My FB has rinsed me of $ I am 100 % on all advances over $ . After 1 month I am giving it up on her. I am cured of the delusion that these babies are honorable. If they are Nando 1 s and want advances then dollars to donuts they are looking to scam you. If you give them enough to walk, even short time, then they will. They can't help it. Then they are too ashamed to come back even if the door is open. Why they give up the future prospect of $s to score a short time $ I will never understand, but we don't think the same.

If single I would emulate Hollywood. 100% ! I like being by myself until I want company. So hire a hottie. Hmmm, sounds like a catchy name for an escort or Sugar site. Hire a Hottie dot something. You entrepreneurs can have that name. The thing is, as other brothers have alluded to. There is no way a 60 + yr old can gain access to a 20 + yr old without sugar involved, period. Well, back to the drawing board to find a new FB.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, but my reasoning for your question, "Why they give up the future prospect of $s to score a short time $ I will never understand, but we don't think the same." is because they can spread their legs and another will take your place! I am in the same boat with you, most of the time that I have advanced money, I got burned.

[QUOTE=DirtyDingus;2091337]I agree with you, but my reasoning for your question, "Why they give up the future prospect of $s to score a short time $ I will never understand, but we don't think the same." is because they can spread their legs and another will take your place! I am in the same boat with you, most of the time that I have advanced money, I got burned.[/QUOTE]For me I would say every time. I really can not think of one time I have ever gotten back a penny. Live and learn. Thats why I love this site. Glad I will never be the next d sterling. Although when I started out big time, I had the big time money. Got burned plenty. Then came the recession which forced me to up my game. It's still going up. Thanks.

I always pay after the deed is done and pay is performance-based, but for those who have ever advanced sugar and not received any in return, I'd report her to the site you met her on, indicating the theft (that's what it is, theft). Even if you don't report her, send her a note letting her know you're going to report her as a pro that's ripping people off. If nothing else it might make her think twice before she does it to someone else, or at least maybe she'll take her game to BP or somewhere outside the SD scene where thievery has no place.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2091458]I always pay after the deed is done and pay is performance-based, but for those who have ever advanced sugar and not received any in return, I'd report her to the site you met her on, indicating the theft (that's what it is, theft). Even if you don't report her, send her a note letting her know you're going to report her as a pro that's ripping people off. If nothing else it might make her think twice before she does it to someone else, or at least maybe she'll take her game to BP or somewhere outside the SD scene where thievery has no place.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. Like the "Hannah" vcu student...totally thief.I learned lesson...now I only pay after it. Though I make mistake and get bought by SB on their stories. Recently gave allowance for just M&G with a promise that never came true.

So there are are more SBs who are asking for M&G money and now that will be turned down. I have lost the faith...

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2091458]I always pay after the deed is done and pay is performance-based, but for those who have ever advanced sugar and not received any in return, I'd report her to the site you met her on, indicating the theft (that's what it is, theft). Even if you don't report her, send her a note letting her know you're going to report her as a pro that's ripping people off. If nothing else it might make her think twice before she does it to someone else, or at least maybe she'll take her game to BP or somewhere outside the SD scene where thievery has no place.[/QUOTE]The problem is / most of us are doing this UTR and a crazy Nando 1 with nothing to lose could cause a lot more damage to us than our trying to screw her little scam up. I realize that this behavior perpetuates her larceny but we bleeding heart types do it to ourselves. If we don't "lend" money then they can't steal from us. Never again! I'm bummed because she was a good little provider and very reliable. I think she got arrested or an IRL "BF" caught her fucking around. She never fessed up to another guy in her life but was very nervous when we played at her place once and she didn't want her "roommate" catching us together.

M / G went well today with 22 year old latina jersey girl spinner (4'11" yay! She stopped by a house that I am flipping. We sat in her car and talked for an hour. Very casual stuff just like we were on a date. She is married two years now but not happy. She is looking money for tuition. My spidey sense never went off. She was very reserved and cautious. She mentioned she did this once before in NJ before moving to NC several years ago. I kept debating several times to make a move but I decided to go slow so maybe I could build a steady FB since she is in my town, looking to be discreet, and she wants a steady arrangement.

After she left (I had to leave, plus I was tired of talking / listening) I text her and told her I found her really attractive and wanted to take the next step. She replied "me too" and asked what that was exactly. Like a kid I told her I wanted to get her alone and see that beautiful body. Immediately I text her again and said I hated to be so forward / fast but I am very busy and I know exactly what I want. And I wanted her. She text back that she wanted me bad, she didn't want to waste time, and she knew exactly what she wanted.

We started talking immediately about meeting. I tried getting her today (I had already had sex twice today) but she asked for Thursday due to her school and work schedule. Was probably a good thing for me. She is probably a 7/8 in face. But she is young and keeps her self put together so she looks better. Her tits were big and amazing in a low cut tank top. They will probably look look like shit when they are unsupported but damn they looked good. She has some nice round thighs which I love if the girl is not fat. She definitely has the latina curves without being chubby. In five years she will probably look like shit but right now she is awesome. I'm not a big fan of the jersey accent, but with the latina accent added in, it will be hot as shit as she fucks me and talks dirty. If she talks anywhere as dirty as my massage therapist she will be awesome. Meeting scheduled for Thurs lunch time anywhere I want her, hotel or foreclosed house, she "will be wherever I want her".

Massage therapist is needing me bad. Me or my money. I've done her three times now in hotels and she is loud as shit and dirty. I've been worried several times about hotel staff showing up. She is a 9/10 in bed. And freaky too. Offered to blow me and my boss if I couldn't ditch him one day. She was serious. We were going to do it in a repo house one time but cleaning lady showed up. Cleaning lady is hot and has been flirting with me. My sb offered to try and seduce cleaning lady for me. My sb wants to meet tonight but I can't do it.

Absolute smoke in myrtle still emails me every day. We have a friendly flirty thing going back and forth. She will send a casual selfie when I ask. Like today she was in gym working out. The other day it was beach selfies. I have got to get down there before she flakes or you bastards ruin her.

21 year old 5'1" (yay) big head of hair near Raleigh has been texting / emailing regularly for a week now. She has sent me many casual selfies, nothing racy, and seems legit. Going to school day time and cocktail waitresses at night. She is hot with the long brown hair, big brown eyes, and dark complexion. Luckily she has self esteem issues working at a mens club. She doesn't think she is anywhere as hot as the dancers. I'm actually looking forward to this one more than the smokeshow in myrtle. Diamond in the rough.

Several girls that seem legit are casually texting / emailing me. One college girl is spending the week in myrtle starting Weds and I'm trying to be her vacation fb. I've got a lot of hits from girls that are definitely pro or almost there. I may hit a few just to see.

Assistance... I'm in a relationship and have to hide everything of course. I use an email account that no one else knows about. I use Hushed for texts but it sucks. I can't receive photos. And I have to delete the program every time I go home. Any recommendations on texting without getting a burner phone?

Skin.

[QUOTE=SkinJr;2091570]
Assistance... I'm in a relationship and have to hide everything of course. I use an email account that no one else knows about. I use Hushed for texts but it sucks. I can't receive photos. And I have to delete the program every time I go home. Any recommendations on texting without getting a burner phone?
[/QUOTE]Are the problems with Hushed that its pausing when you text? It didn't used to do that until a couple of updates ago, it used to work great. I hope they update it and fix it before my next season, as I was planning to let my burner phone expire. You could try Skype, which will let you purchase a number but its more expensive than Hushed and I've never really used Skype to SMS so I'm not sure how it works.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2091531]The problem is / most of us are doing this UTR and a crazy Nando 1 with nothing to lose could cause a lot more damage to us than our trying to screw her little scam up. I realize that this behavior perpetuates her larceny but we bleeding heart types do it to ourselves. If we don't "lend" money then they can't steal from us. Never again! I'm bummed because she was a good little provider and very reliable. I think she got arrested or an IRL "BF" caught her fucking around. She never fessed up to another guy in her life but was very nervous when we played at her place once and she didn't want her "roommate" catching us together.[/QUOTE]One good thing about reporting her to the site is she won't know who reported her (my second suggestion about telling her that you're going to wouldn't be a good option if she is in a position to strike back). Also if you're married don't give her enough info to trace anything back to you. Only once has a sugar baby known my real name, and that was because of a stupid mistake I made on a dinner reservation, luckily it ended on good terms. But yes, agreed, always pay after the deed is done and problem solved in the first place.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2091621]One good thing about reporting her to the site is she won't know who reported her (my second suggestion about telling her that you're going to wouldn't be a good option if she is in a position to strike back). Also if you're married don't give her enough info to trace anything back to you. Only once has a sugar baby known my real name, and that was because of a stupid mistake I made on a dinner reservation, luckily it ended on good terms. But yes, agreed, always pay after the deed is done and problem solved in the first place.[/QUOTE]At SD4 m they could care less. But I did get a foreign scammer thrown off of their once that had been on that site for about 4 years.