"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2086809]To me, a grand would be about the price I would be willing to pay for an all-nighter GFE romp with a legit porn star of my choosing including filming to my liking, (yes I realize this is about what they get for a couple of hours of on-set work so it's never happening) and to be honest a good portion of that would be simply for the bragging rights to say I'd fucked that particular porn star all night long. In other words the same porn star for a second romp would be worth maybe seven hundred for an all-nighter to me. To get me to part with 2.5 k would have to be something like two porn stars, all-nighter, no rules.

So to me having some no-name girl who would have been civy dating material for me 20 years ago try to command that kind of money for one night, with no guarantee of what I'm really going to get out of is just absurd to say the least. I'm met strippers that have told me they get a grand or higher solicitations all day long, which I can believe, but they won't get that for me.[/QUOTE]I think you may have misread my post. The 2.5 k a month I spend is for at least 22 total visits from multiple girls in a month. Some last an hour. Some last 24 hours. My average per visit this year is at about $.2 per visit. To get paid the girl must get me off one way or another. Most are trained to perform a choreographed set of scenes that result in the best climax I can possibly achieve. I have never found it a problem to direct these girls to perform in various positions, with the speed, pressure and techniques needed to make daddy happy. Whether their acting skills come naturally or are just well rehearsed is of little consequence to me as long as I am entertained. But my goal is always to have a mutual exchange of emotional and physical satisfaction. Otherwise I would only date pros.

I've kind of been on hiatus for a while due to work travel. I am periodically out of town on projects and work a lot of hours when I'm there. I've tried hunting for SB's on those trips with limited success, mostly because I just don't have time for it. My latest project is winding down, and I'm about to start hunting for the summer. I still have my one regular SB. She just got married a couple of weeks ago, but she wants to continue and is coming over this afternoon. She is a little blond spinner, not gorgeous, but attractive and she has been very sweet and she is very inexpensive. I will keep her around as long as I can. Just don't know how much time she will have to devote now that she is moved in with her SO.

I've always been a SA guy, but thought I would try SD4 M for a change. There are lots of girls on there in my area, and not too many are duplicates from SA. I've been on for a couple of weeks now (giving it two months on the prepaid card) and have several observations. The response rate to emails seems to be lower on here for me, but admittedly I have been sporadic due to work and haven't been sending out as much detail in the emails. I am going to do a blast with my standard letter from SA and see how that works. SA seems to attract more girls from the local party school. There also seem to be more older (30's to early 40's) women on SD4 M than I am used to seeing. I am also getting the occasional message from the UK or eastern Europe. Finally, I see more girls that I recognize from backpage than I did on SA. I plan on giving it a good try but my initial impression is that maybe in my area SA is a better way to go. I know others have had the opposite experience, I think it's curious why, maybe just word of mouth among girls of a certain economic status and mindset.

I do have a M&G this afternoon with a slim, white 23 yo who I am almost sure is brand new. She has said that she doesn't want to hop right into bed, but there has been no discussion of sugar, so I might invest a dinner or two and see if I can charm her panties to the floor. Looking forward to a great summer!

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2086821]I think you may have misread my post. The 2.5 k a month I spend is for at least 22 total visits from multiple girls in a month. [/QUOTE]No, sorry for the misunderstanding. I wasn't commenting on your 2.5 k monthly amount, I was just commenting on the part where you said " $$$$ for a stunner may be worth it" (for some) and giving my own view on what that price range would have to buy me to be worth it. About the 2.5 k amount specifically I thought that I had used that in my prior post (when I actually said $1-2 k) which is the only reason I brought up that amount specifically. I was commenting specifically about GPS girls I've met that thought they were worth that for one night which is a joke to me unless they are a top name porn star.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2086870]No, sorry for the misunderstanding. I wasn't commenting on your 2.5 k monthly amount, I was just commenting on the part where you said " $$$$ for a stunner may be worth it" (for some) and giving my own view on what that price range would have to buy me to be worth it. About the 2.5 k amount specifically I thought that I had used that in my prior post (when I actually said $1-2 k) which is the only reason I brought up that amount specifically. I was commenting specifically about GPS girls I've met that thought they were worth that for one night which is a joke to me unless they are a top name porn star.[/QUOTE]BTW. There is a porn star thread in the los angeles section quoting names and prices.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2086826] I still have my one regular SB. She just got married a couple of weeks ago, but she wants to continue and is coming over this afternoon. She is a little blond spinner, not gorgeous, but attractive and she has been very sweet and she is very inexpensive. I will keep her around as long as I can. Just don't know how much time she will have to devote now that she is moved in with her SO.

[/QUOTE]Sheesh! What a world we live in. A girl gets married and still wants to fuck around. Why get married at all? I guess money is the answer. What some girls will do to "live the life " You married guys know already how bad a marriage can be if you are not blissfully happy. But to live with a guy you don't care enough about to be monogamous, at least for a while.

Hollywood, you have the answer it seems. Have your cake and eat it too.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2086930]Sheesh! What a world we live in. A girl gets married and still wants to fuck around. Why get married at all? I guess money is the answer. What some girls will do to "live the life " You married guys know already how bad a marriage can be if you are not blissfully happy. But to live with a guy you don't care enough about to be monogamous, at least for a while.
[/QUOTE]She was engaged when we met but had told him she wanted to call it off. She got lots of pressure from her family and fiancee and finally went through with it. In the meantime we got close. I think she'll end up divorced in a year or two, but everyone has to make their own mistakes. I am giving her a very modest amount, so I'm not sure its all about the money.

A couple of my regulars over the last year are married. Works for me, on the pill, semi monogamous so low risk for bare back sex.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;2086978]She was engaged when we met but had told him she wanted to call it off. She got lots of pressure from her family and fiancee and finally went through with it. In the meantime we got close. I think she'll end up divorced in a year or two, but everyone has to make their own mistakes. I am giving her a very modest amount, so I'm not sure its all about the money.[/QUOTE]If you look at the girl I wrote from 20 yrs ago in post #6051, she was happily engaged when I met her. She was on kind of a bachelorette / birth party combination celebration on the night I met her at that nightclub. She initiated the meeting with me by sending her friend over to let me know she was interested in knowing me. Right after we fucked the first time, she ended up breaking up with her fiancé, telling him exactly what had happened and that she wanted to try a relationship with me. He told her she was making a mistake, but he would be there for her when she was ready to come back (which I thought was NUTS! I couldn't fathom saying that). She got pregnant with my kid (was supposed to be on the pill), got an abortion and I didn't trust her after that (she was a compulsive liar anyway) so I didn't want any more to do with her. She immediately went running back to him, moved to another state.

I always wondered what happened with those two until Facebook came along. I can look them up today, they are still happily (it seems) married after all this time, have three kids together, seem like a nice family. She was a professional lingerie model stunner back then and while is not really fat I would not recognize her at the mall if I walked by her -- she is not fuckable at any price to me these days.

The real happy ending (no pun intended) to the story is that via Facebook, I was able to confirm by the age of the kids that none of them were mine. She had put some doubt in my mind right as a broke up with her before she moved out of state, just to be vengeful and while I didn't lose sleep I wondered about it for a long time.

But yes, married / engaged girls cheat sometimes, unfortunately. I would never do it in an engagement situation. I have done it as a married man of course but that is after some level of boredom or dissatisfaction with things in general. I wouldn't do it fresh out of a honeymoon, ever, or even a year later.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2086899]BTW. There is a porn star thread in the los angeles section quoting names and prices.[/QUOTE]I've seen that. One common theme I've noticed there is the purpose seems to be able to say BTDT. Most report the actual sex is quite lousy. That's one reason I'd require an all-nighter.

I woke up this morning to six messages from sbs I emailed not so recently. The flood gates have opened.

Wait till the girls are out of school in a few weeks should pick up fast.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2087020]I've seen that. One common theme I've noticed there is the purpose seems to be able to say BTDT. Most report the actual sex is quite lousy. That's one reason I'd require an all-nighter.[/QUOTE]Each to his own but these Porn girls just have to "assume the position" and moan and grimace at the right time while the stud pounds her for 1000 strokes. Doesn't appeal to me. I like the less experienced but impressional types. I saw a Cali girl several years back who was hot for a 35 yr old but a little ridden hard looking who said she was a porn actress in her younger years. She introduced me to anal and I was not all that impressed. Why waste a perfectly good vagina.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2087027]Each to his own but these Porn girls just have to "assume the position" and moan and grimace at the right time while the stud pounds her for 1000 strokes. Doesn't appeal to me. I like the less experienced but impressional types. I saw a Cali girl several years back who was hot for a 35 yr old but a little ridden hard looking who said she was a porn actress in her younger years. She introduced me to anal and I was not all that impressed. Why waste a perfectly good vagina.[/QUOTE]In general, like many guys I'm sure, the less a girls twat has been used as a public playground, the more fun I have with them during sex. In certain situations and up to a point, sexual experience on their part is a good thing, but it's usually a negative to me. The ones who have lived a promiscuous enjoy themselves while fucking, and yes that's fun sometimes but the ones who have not shared their goods with the world are much more reactive and sensitive in bed, and that's a huge turn on for me.

I'm turned off by high volume girls, which is one reason I don't go after escorts / utr / career SBs, etc.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2087027]Why waste a perfectly good vagina.[/QUOTE]LOLZ. Funniest thing I read all day.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2087146]I'm turned off by high volume girls, which is one reason I don't go after escorts / utr / career SBs, etc.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%.

In other news, my SB candidates from SA have disappeared or have taken themselves out of the running. Worthwhile new girls in my area are few and far between, so I even tried the two closest major cities (Detroit and Chicago) for a possible long-distance arrangement. I had a few nibbles, but those have dried up also and I doubt I will pursue long-distance possibilities any further.

CL is starting to let me post again, but I have to be very careful with the wording of my ads or they get deleted before they even make it live. Replies to my vague ads are nowhere near as good or as frequent as when I could come right out and use sugar terminology. I also have to stick to my immediate area. Anytime I try to post in a larger and better city that's about an hour away from me, my ads inevitably get flagged and taken down.

It looks like I'm going to be taking a vacation from the sugar world, unless SA activity in my area suddenly spikes in the next couple weeks. My SA membership is good through the end of May, and if I haven't gotten a good, regular SB by then, I'll take a respite and check back at the end of summer, when the SBs will be starting to go back to school. This time of year just sucks for trying to build an arrangement with HCBs, because of finals and all that. Several of my potentials have crashed and burned because of finals and not being able to communicate on a regular basis or even schedule a M&G because of their heavy workload.

I jumped back into the Bowl in January. I have a long-term lover from AM, but she is very "vanilla," and neither she nor my wife meet my need for a submissive playmate. (AM is a very HOT and creative vanilla, but vanilla none-the-less).

I quickly met and started seeing three SB's, all of whom were looking for a Dominant daddy. One is a 19 yo white, not-quite-hot-but-sex-starved-enthusiastic-and-hot-enough college student, another a tall, thin 23 yo AA (who should be a model, but grew up fat and doesn't realize she's smoking hot), and the 3rd a 24 yo latina domestic violence counselor (and super petite spinner). The DV counselor likes it rougher than any other lover I've had. Go figure.

About 3 months ago, my sister (with crappy insurance) was diagnosed with breast cancer. I agreed to finance her chemotherapy, but that put a hit in my recreational budget. I told my SB's the situation, and that I could no longer give them gifts (usually between $ and $$ per visit) when I saw them.

A funny thing happened on the way out of the Sugar Bowl... I'm still with all three of them. They each said that the money wasn't as important as being able to sleep with / spend time with me. I've seen each of them half a dozen (or more) times since having "the conversation," and not spent a dime beyond the cost of notels. And my long-term AM lover is still going strong (and none the wiser).

I don't know how or why it happened, and I'm waiting for Karma to kick in and sock me between the eyes, but I'm enjoying it for now. Proof, I guess, that (seemingly) nice guys do finish first (and second, and third) sometimes.

Best of all, my sister's cancer is responding very well to the chemo, and she's having very few side effects. It is (by far) the best money I've ever spent.

Dr. Feelgood.