"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Yesterday I posted how I came off a bad week of cancelled dates and M&Gs. This week is not off to a much better start:

I've been texting with a 19 YO SA girl. We've had trouble getting our schedules aligned for a M&G, but we finally plan for dinner tomorrow night. She'd have to drive an hour here, but I tell her I will give her gas money. We've already discussed that sugar for me equals sugar for her. She has never once shown any indication that that would be an issue for her, if anything she seemed eager to get started.

So, late this afternoon (about 24 hours before our planned M&G), she texts me asking if we could meet tonight instead. I say that's fine, but it won't be for dinner, it will just be for drinks. I give her the addy for where to meet me. She suddenly comments that's farther away than she thought. She then asks if I could give her $$ for gas and something nice to wear for next date and she could still meet for dinner tomorrow night. "It is worth it to meet you", she adds. I immediately see where this is going, but I ask her, " and what will I be getting? "What is it you want?" I remind her that I don't give out sugar until I get sugar. So she lowers her asking price for $ for gas and to meet me. She tells me that it's really far for her to drive (it's an hour) and she has high standards on what to expect. I point out it doesn't take $ worth of gas to get from there to here and back. She replies that it's also for meeting me. She claims she's driven 30 minutes and has gotten $ for a first date before. I tell her I don't pay someone just to meet me and if that's what she's expecting, she's wasting her time. She starts complaining that I'm being rude and only interested in paying for sex and that I'm on the wrong website. Whatever. I can pretty much guarantee that she's another one of these girls who will try to get as much money / gifts out of a guy as possible and then hit the road before she starts holding up her end of the bargain.

The sugar bowl is wearing very, very thin for me lately. I just have no patience at all for so many of these girls.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2084010]Yesterday I posted how I came off a bad week of cancelled dates and M&Gs. This week is not off to a much better start:

I've been texting with a 19 YO SA girl. We've had trouble getting our schedules aligned for a M&G, but we finally plan for dinner tomorrow night. She'd have to drive an hour here, but I tell her I will give her gas money. We've already discussed that sugar for me equals sugar for her. She has never once shown any indication that that would be an issue for her, if anything she seemed eager to get started.

So, late this afternoon (about 24 hours before our planned M&G), she texts me asking if we could meet tonight instead. I say that's fine, but it won't be for dinner, it will just be for drinks. I give her the addy for where to meet me. She suddenly comments that's farther away than she thought. She then asks if I could give her $$ for gas and something nice to wear for next date and she could still meet for dinner tomorrow night. "It is worth it to meet you", she adds. I immediately see where this is going, but I ask her, " and what will I be getting? "What is it you want?" I remind her that I don't give out sugar until I get sugar. So she lowers her asking price for $ for gas and to meet me. She tells me that it's really far for her to drive (it's an hour) and she has high standards on what to expect. I point out it doesn't take $ worth of gas to get from there to here and back. She replies that it's also for meeting me. She claims she's driven 30 minutes and has gotten $ for a first date before. I tell her I don't pay someone just to meet me and if that's what she's expecting, she's wasting her time. She starts complaining that I'm being rude and only interested in paying for sex and that I'm on the wrong website. Whatever. I can pretty much guarantee that she's another one of these girls who will try to get as much money / gifts out of a guy as possible and then hit the road before she starts holding up her end of the bargain.

The sugar bowl is wearing very, very thin for me lately. I just have no patience at all for so many of these girls.[/QUOTE]Ditch her now. Don't get frustrated. It; s a numbers game. Sometimes I offer to meet them half way. As long as its in the parking lot of a motel. Try that.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2083569]I think you are in your 30's? It sounds like the SBs have an IRL attraction to you therefore your CPO is low. One problem with 60 + is that you have to pay more to attract a girl 40+ years younger. Enjoy it while you can. If I was attracted to the over 35 crowd I would do a lot better, but I am not.[/QUOTE]I am 42, but can pass for 30's. I am in good shape, work out and love to have fun. You are probably correct that attraction (and confidence) allows a lower cost. I will use it while I am able.

HW. Thanks for the tip on paying even if not required. If she was a unicorn I would do that. Right now she is a HOT 19 college AA baby that loves getting pounded multiple times during our dates and a place holder. She even loves car dates so no cost at all. I told her she was in my home town and that I can not be seen anywhere with her -which means no dinner dates either...

Side note. I am a senior member now?

Thanks again for all the help. Directly and indirectly.

[QUOTE=CaneBay;2084336]I am 42, but can pass for 30's. I am in good shape, work out and love to have fun. You are probably correct that attraction (and confidence) allows a lower cost. I will use it while I am able.

HW. Thanks for the tip on paying even if not required. If she was a unicorn I would do that. Right now she is a HOT 19 college AA baby that loves getting pounded multiple times during our dates and a place holder. She even loves car dates so no cost at all. I told her she was in my home town and that I can not be seen anywhere with her -which means no dinner dates either...

Side note. I am a senior member now?

Thanks again for all the help. Directly and indirectly.[/QUOTE]How about a pic of that girl? You got me curious. Props to you dude. I don't seem to get that lucky.

[B]No return on Loan yet[/B]

Like another brother here, I gave a small loan to a Pot SB. She was one of my escort experiments. I gave her a small amount of money that I was okay losing. When we were suppose to be later in the week, she flaked. However she kept contacting sporadically apologizing and saying she still wanted to try to meet. She never asked for money again, she would just have light text conversations with me and say she hoped to get free. I've officially wrote the loan off as a "loss", but I don't think it was an outright scam. I can tell she legitimately wants to get together and finds me attractive. But she's wresting with her lifestyle and I'm just not a high priority enough. I doubt I'll meet up with her, but I don't regret giving the loan or taking a chance. I know her real identity and everything, she's a nice girl. And also it showed I had a decent eye for identifying escorts with some SB potential. As mentioned before, it's a bit of a hobby of mine to try to convert a fresh escort into a SB. So far my success rate has been 0%, but I'm still enjoy trying. At least I've been able to get some of them to open up and tell me how they got into the escort life. Because of that info, it's made it easier for me to identify SBs, UTRs, and Pros, and have an idea what warning signs to look for when a SB might be crossing over.

[B]CL Teacher SB[/B]

Ever since I had a talk with her about flaking, things have now been great. We're meeting more regularly and she's more communicative if something comes up. She has attained official ATF status and it looks like our thing might last a lot longer than I expected. I don't give her a high allowance (just $ per meet) but I do give her a gift every single time I see her. The gifts typically range from $25-75 and it's usually related to something we talked about in conversations. She's loving the gifts and loves the fact that I'm actually listening to her and not just treating her like a prostitute. I also use a reloadable card with her, so I never hand her cash. I think this is why she's been warming up to me even more the past month or so. I'm pretty sure she met with a couple of other SDs before, but they were probably purely transactional with her. But with me, she actually feels like a sugar baby.

[B]Another CL Experiment[/B]

Last week I was trying a new CL experiment. I'll share the details of the experiment at a later date. But the first fish I got was a Latina MILF in her 30's with an awesome pair of tits. Now normally I have a very poor success rate with MILFs because I'm in my 30's myself and I probably just remind them of their ex-husband. So we were having a M&G and it was going pretty well, but then the issue of allowance came up and it was too low for her. However she liked me well enough that she's referring me to her 19 year-old friend and babysitter! She said her friend would love to have the allowance I was offering and that she was very attractive. She showed me a picture, which confirmed it! Great face, and big tits. Not fat at all, but a curvy body type. I should be meeting up with her in a couple of days.

This year so far has definitely been quality over quantity. Last year I was playing purely the numbers game. You'll always win in the end with the numbers game, but it does cost quite a bit of money and time. So I've altered my approach a bit to do tighter filtering and then make sure I have enough resources and do the right things in order to hold on to the good ones that I do manage to catch. Last year, I caught 2-3 really good SBs, but I was so spread thin I ended up losing them. If I had a little more resources and paid a little more attention, I probably could have held on to them longer.

I definitely do the quantity thing because I have found you just never know who you are going to meet. I only stick to my demographic but have a lot of choices due to being in L.A. Yes the cost is higher but once you get a keeper its well worth it. This year I met maybe 20 girls so far and 2 were awesome and I met both of them in the last 10 days. Unfortunately one of them already went BP on me, but she was never going to be an exclusive SB. She is a wide eyed hollywood girl that wants to experience it all. I can't blame her for that. Thats why people move here, especially to hollywood and the beach. Still hoping for an occasional hookup with her as she is a classy beautiful girl. The true definition of a sexy hot latina.

She was the latina pictured in post 6019. The newest one was my Sunday night date. A recent transplant to L.A. She is alone and lonely. She has a job, her own apt and a car. She admitted I was the first guy she ever took money from and has never dated anyone over 30. She is a 24 year old 5'5' 115 lb. Gym toned body. And no bs a 8.5/9.5/10/9 with amazing potential as she has never been spoiled. Those numbers are her in the raw. She was the girl I said was "the girl next door to the girl next door". I seriously went to meet her out of boredom figuring she agreed to the $ and it would probably be just an ok way to pass the time on a boring Sunday night. Her pics in no way prepared me for what I encountered.

I was shocked when she answered the door and here was this petite perfect body cute amiable hottie. We had an amazing first date, her words. I am ready after one date to get serious with her and replace my MILF who I love but she drives me crazy with her nando 1 bs. My MILF is a 10 in the sack with no excuses ever in 2.5 years, she only awaits my commands. Some of the hardest O's I have ever experienced in my life. Her idea of foreplay is sucking me off until "she" gets wet. The we fuck till she has about 20 O's. Seriously no bs. After she is done she goes to work on me with the perfect scenario of moves to give me the biggest bang for my buck that she can.

But that nando 1 bs just never ends. My roomy has boundaries that I respect and my loving little princess will be in training for some time before she can handle what I have to offer. She tries to please me so hard, but was basically a virgin when I met her. So I am ripe for the total package. I will post her pic as soon as I get a good one.

BTW. I love you guys for the total awesomeness of this board/thread.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2084326]Ditch her now. Don't get frustrated. It; s a numbers game. Sometimes I offer to meet them half way. As long as its in the parking lot of a motel. Try that.[/QUOTE]Already ditched her. And she had no interest in heading to a motel immediately following a M&G, she only wanted to get paid for showing up and getting along with me (her words).

No, I love you Hollywood guy. I've been lurking for a long time and you make me want to move to la.

Quick run down.

22 year old massage therapist is chasing me down. She offered to drive an hour today to see me after her work. Don't know which bulge she really needs, wallet or the.

21 year old absolute smoke (former model) student is progressing nicely. I was getting worried about her expectations so I emailed her that I was very frugal with my money. She immediately responded that she wasn't looking much and she was sure whatever I provided would be fine. She sent me a personalized photo.

24 year old hard 9 nurse has been texting since yesterday. She said last night she was sending me a personalized photo. I haven't got it but that may be due to hushed.

25 year old cutie in my town just created an account today and I'm emailing her now. Fingers crossed.

Well, I was heading for my M&G yesterday night. Mixed background...profile...young...! Interesting...have to pick her up from the house...which I was felt odd. Suburb area, quite location, picked her up in my car...went for coffee and dinner. Didn't eat much ...now she says, what's next...! We talk in the car...and SB says lets take a room. This is my first ever experience where SB is pushing for room not me...! Actually it threw me off...asked allowance expectations...that came below my budget (well below). So I was like what the hell... ! Anyway, I was not so sold on SB ...so I decided not to go forward yesterday as I didn't connect...! But interesting one.where...you get surprised...

I have 2 dates for tonite. A makeup date with my MILF and an interview with a very willing prospect. She is an 18 year old AA newly pro that wants an SD (i mean how much mileage can there be on an 18 year old?). I am going to see her because I will already be halfway to her place. Maybe I will have recovered enough by then to get another SOG. If not, at least I get to bang her and do ANYTHING else I want to her. She is down for it all and can't wait to show me what a good girl she is.

I got two dates for tomorrow. The first is my new jamaican princess that I saw on Sunday. Gonna see her at 4 pm. She is an overall 9 headed to a 10 if that's possible. Then a new UTR girl for tomorrow night about 9 pm. if I can handle it (the skater girl). Her SD lets her do other guys in his home. I know he is her slave so he must get off on it. What a world.

Thursday is my usual roommate date. And Friday is the hot latina who finally txted me back, she is finally home from her business trip. She said she was going to buy something really hot for our next date. If she flakes I have a confirmed FC date with the 18 year old white girl pictured in my last post of pics. She says she will drive to me. She is a UTR. But its hard to get a blond and blue 18 year old spinner for $.

One thing I want to say is that I talked to all these new girls at length about what type of skills they need to please me. Not a problem in any way. Young girls love talking about sex. No M&G. Just straight to the FC and all for $. In fact when I saw the jamaican princess for the first date I commented that she seemed awfully skilled at a couple things she said she had never tried. She said she watched some porn before our date to get some pointers to make sure I was happy.

Thats 7 total dates in 4 days if I can get it up. All at $ each. Its likely I may have to cancel one or push one off for a day or two. But 7 girls in a week. All hot. All skilled (although 3 are untested). But I rarely worry about an AA girl with experience. The skater chick already told me enough to know I will have at least an OK time, she is very dirty and loves it. The white girl is an unknown. Sorry, but IMHO white girls just can't compete. And if they are all that, they usually want a lot more dinero.

I will do my best not to post until its all over and have some pics to boot.

So, I know we all have our secrets and keep them close to the vest but my question is this. Would anyone share their stock e-mails PM?

Hollywood, Fred, John Smith. You guys are all an inspiration.

I've been along time lurker and would be happy to help in trade. I'm a techie so I'd be happy to help you married fellas cover tracks. I leave with this. There is a new app out on the market which has been GOLD. And no, it's not Tinder LOL.

HWG. Here is a pic.!

I think I did that right...

Anyone notice that this area has dried up with SA and SDFM? There are no new SDFM candidates in my search zone for weeks and SA only has a few new SBs every few days. Any other websites yielding new talent? Is the economy that good? What is the dynamic guys?

Unfortunately each dating site requires you to sign up to get to see the goods. They should let guys search to our hearts' content and we would be motivated to pay if there was any good Pots in our area on their sites.

My FB has gone dark. Not even responding to texts anymore. I lost the gamble yet again. I can't believe that she would give up a SD who is a regular for few $$ . But I am constantly disappointed by these skitzo creatures. I might have to see some UTRs but I hate to go there again even though I think my FB is / was an UTR. One possibility is that she was arrested for soliciting or got a BF / bigger SD. It would be nice to get a "Dear John " text so I can let it go.

Hollywood, it sounds like you are THE man now. 7 girls in 3 days and I can't get my rocks off once. Keep it up! (so to speak).

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2085721]My FB has gone dark. Not even responding to texts anymore. I lost the gamble yet again. I can't believe that she would give up a SD who is a regular for few $$ . But I am constantly disappointed by these skitzo creatures. I might have to see some UTRs but I hate to go there again even though I think my FB is / was an UTR. One possibility is that she was arrested for soliciting or got a BF / bigger SD. It would be nice to get a "Dear John " text so I can let it go.

Hollywood, it sounds like you are THE man now. 7 girls in 3 days and I can't get my rocks off once. Keep it up! (so to speak).[/QUOTE]I canceled my date with the 18 year old after seeing my MILF last night, as she completely drained me. Going to see the jamaican princess at 4 today for sure though. Sometimes I get a little manic. Like on that last post.