General Reports

[QUOTE=ShortIrish;2640443]Got stood up by 2 providers yesterday. Same deal. Text back and forth. Get to the neighborhood then nothing. And what's with THEM having to verify ME?[/QUOTE]Just my two cents, but I think that some guys are not taking full advantage of this board. It has been at least three years since I went on a cold call. When I read a monger review of a girl that I want to see, I'll pm the monger asking if I can use his first name. Then, when I call the girl, I'll introduce myself and tell her I was referred by Dave or Jim, or Jay or whatever the monger's first name happened to be. I have found that this greatly reduces the provider's tendency to blow me off as a faceless new guy. It also reduces or eliminates first date awkwardness and chemistry issues. It is a win-win because the next time Dave or Jim or Jay visit this provider, she knows that if he has a really good time, he will tell his friends.

This is based purely on my experience, I would be interested in the experience of others.

[QUOTE=Packerfann53;2641214]Like many of you, I have become increasingly frustrated with the growing number of providers who don't answer their phones or return voicemails. Back in the 80's, when the hobby was controlled by agencies, there were a large number of high quality, dependable providers who were available during the daytime, regular business hours for married guys who can't go out at night. With a few exceptions, I'd have to say that BP is the worst thing that ever happened to the hobby. There's no way to screen out the undesireables, the scammers, the STD infected, and the unreliable. I can't understand why a provider will put herself out there and then not respond to phone calls. And as I've said before on here, responsible people don't text, they talk to one another. Walk into any bar or restaurant and what are the young females doing, texting. They are terrified of face to face communication or speaking to someone on the phone. No wonder they fail. Successful business people adjust their schedules to meet the needs of their clients. They respond quickly to client phone calls. These are concepts that young providers can't seem to grasp.[/QUOTE]Texting is a convenient way to communicate. It's a direct, Q&A forum for getting information quickly and concisely. There is no need for these girls to interact socially with people that they want minimal contact with in the first place. Many of these girls want a high turnover maximum profit operation, some have a problem with basic communication, let alone social niceties. The other problem, in my opinion, is that if you are detained by LE, they have a concrete idea of not only that two parties have been in contact, but that they know exactly what your conversation was and that you possibly conspired to break the law. So if you do text, the same rules apply as when you have a conversation with them. Until the rubber hits the road, stay vague. One or both parties can say a phone call was anything, a wrong number or even retain their right to remain silent. A text is a license for LE to "listen in" to your conversation. I'm not a lawyer, but I get it when certain providers say they won't text, and I imagine that that is the reason. I could be wrong.

Not sure if this is legit but while researching a number I saw on CL I came across this site. Hopefully it helps.

[URL]http://www.fightthescams.com/2015/05/29/fake-sex-ads-on-craigslist/[/URL]

Still debating the need for a monger phone? Think GoogleVoice is good enough?

Read the discussion on the BP Advertiser forum for more on this:

[URL]http://fox6now.com/2015/10/20/man-shot-killed-inside-home-near-appleton-and-melvina-no-suspects-in-custody[/URL]

You don't think they are going to go through call logs on cell phones? Google Voice will turn over there records easily.

The moral of the story is GET A BURNER / MONGER / THROWAWAY PHONE.

[QUOTE=SoccerFan4245;2638649]I am passing along a little information. A southside SW named Angel is looking for new hookups. She is not an attractive lady but certainly can do the trick in a pinch. A few guys have reported on her relating to their cruising the southside. She has her own place and can host. You could probably see her for a quite reasonable donation.

SF.[/QUOTE]Gave her a call a few weeks ago, we agreed on a price, I gave her my address and she said she would be here in 30 min. ***** never showed. My time is fucking valuable. If I ever do see her I'm going to take it out on her nasty style. I don't appreciate these lying ass hoes. I aint the one.

[QUOTE=Outfishing;2640331]I really wanted to try a new provider today. I tried to set up an appointment with one by email. She asked me what time. I gave her a time within an hour and she never got back to me. So I took a ride with a list of 6 providers that all posted today. Four of them did not answer, and the other two told me to call them when I was close. When I was close I called, and neither of them answered. I don't get it. Are they all so busy?? I guess I will have to give one of the old reliables a call tomorrow. Very frustating![/QUOTE]Dude never fall for the give me a call when you get close bullshit. Whenever you hear that just abort immediately.

Angel told me a guy called from the forum. She was supposed to walk to his house off of Oklahoma. She said she wrote the address down but lost it. She she tried to back track her steps but couldn't find the paper. She asked if I had a way of reaching you. I had no idea since I didn't know who she talked to. She is not one to blow guys off so ease up on the anger issues. What she lacks in looks, she makes up for in availability. How many of the hoes will actually be willing to walk to your house? She doesn't have a car. Her issue is she is clumsy I guess.

[QUOTE=Outfishing;2640331]I really wanted to try a new provider today. I tried to set up an appointment with one by email. She asked me what time. I gave her a time within an hour and she never got back to me. So I took a ride with a list of 6 providers that all posted today. Four of them did not answer, and the other two told me to call them when I was close. When I was close I called, and neither of them answered. I don't get it. Are they all so busy?? I guess I will have to give one of the old reliables a call tomorrow. Very frustating![/QUOTE]I took a provider out to dinner a few weeks ago and gained some insight into this issue. Because of the high rate of no-show appointments and the fact that there is no penalty on the monger side for a no-show the provider would always respond as available and would sometimes have several mongers on their way at once. The 'call when you get close' is the point when you will discover her actual availability. The compounding issue is that providers handle their own communications so if they are with a client or otherwise indisposed they are not available to communicate with inbound mongers. The provider in question did acknowledge the issue but she estimated she had more than 2 no-shows for each monger she stood up. And about half of the stood up mongers were still salvageable even after they got sick of waiting and left.

Tldr: We did this to ourselves by standing them so much that now they overbook and bump appointmens with no contact if someone else beats you in.

[QUOTE=JackFlack;2657218]I took a provider out to dinner a few weeks ago and gained some insight into this issue. Because of the high rate of no-show appointments and the fact that there is no penalty on the monger side for a no-show the provider would always respond as available and would sometimes have several mongers on their way at once. The 'call when you get close' is the point when you will discover her actual availability. The compounding issue is that providers handle their own communications so if they are with a client or otherwise indisposed they are not available to communicate with inbound mongers. The provider in question did acknowledge the issue but she estimated she had more than 2 no-shows for each monger she stood up. And about half of the stood up mongers were still salvageable even after they got sick of waiting and left.

Tldr: We did this to ourselves by standing them so much that now they overbook and bump appointmens with no contact if someone else beats you in.[/QUOTE]The provider is responsible for her action. They may have more clients if they didn't worry about who shows or not, put up in better areas, make us feel more comfortable about them being real etc. In selling things, your stood up about 50 to 75% of the time, that's sales if they can't deal with that to bad get out of the business or change there business model. They should read up on getting thoughs appointments to show up, it about marketing themself.

A lot of the time, pic's are fake, places are in bad unsafe areas putting us at risk, the possibility of being robbed, or worse is so high that most of us get scarred off. We have good entensions but most of the losses would be ours, again scarring us off. They don't have much to loose, no place to live, dead beat BF / handlers, and family that's had enough of there shit really. They have nothing to loose.

They should make us feel good about seeing them, be honest, good hygiene, clean safe location and everyone out of the incall but them and you. Having real up to date photo's, layout what we can expect for what is agreed on and stay to that no upselling, no bait and switch, no calls when we are there. The list goes on and on.

None of what I've said is in our control only theirs.

Most people will not hurt someone feeling so we say we will show and have no entensions of showing THAT MUST STOP. We also need to be honest, clean and respectful for what they do. These girls are more at fault then we are, they would have less no shows and more repeat customers if they would clean up these re-occuring issues. We didn't do this to them, they did.

BTW; this site is here to help us reduce our risks, that why we us it and trust me it has helped me.

THANKS TO ALL.

[QUOTE=Outfishing;2640331]I really wanted to try a new provider today. I tried to set up an appointment with one by email. She asked me what time. I gave her a time within an hour and she never got back to me. So I took a ride with a list of 6 providers that all posted today. Four of them did not answer, and the other two told me to call them when I was close. When I was close I called, and neither of them answered. I don't get it. Are they all so busy?? I guess I will have to give one of the old reliables a call tomorrow. Very frustating![/QUOTE]If you want to start solving the problem of these providers standing you up then do what your suppose to do on this board. List who they are and post links. That is what this board is for, information to help us all out, including yourself. Your only hurting yourself and other mongers if you don't.

[QUOTE=Msteresc;2657490]The provider is responsible for her action. They may have more clients if they didn't worry about who shows or not, put up in better areas, make us feel more comfortable about them being real etc. In selling things, your stood up about 50 to 75% of the time, that's sales if they can't deal with that to bad get out of the business or change there business model. They should read up on getting thoughs appointments to show up, it about marketing themself.

A lot of the time, pic's are fake, places are in bad unsafe areas putting us at risk, the possibility of being robbed, or worse is so high that most of us get scarred off. We have good entensions but most of the losses would be ours, again scarring us off. They don't have much to loose, no place to live, dead beat BF / handlers, and family that's had enough of there shit really. They have nothing to loose.

They should make us feel good about seeing them, be honest, good hygiene, clean safe location and everyone out of the incall but them and you. Having real up to date photo's, layout what we can expect for what is agreed on and stay to that no upselling, no bait and switch, no calls when we are there. The list goes on and on.

None of what I've said is in our control only theirs.

Most people will not hurt someone feeling so we say we will show and have no entensions of showing THAT MUST STOP. We also need to be honest, clean and respectful for what they do. These girls are more at fault then we are, they would have less no shows and more repeat customers if they would clean up these re-occuring issues. We didn't do this to them, they did.

BTW; this site is here to help us reduce our risks, that why we us it and trust me it has helped me.

THANKS TO ALL.[/QUOTE]Neither side is to blame or to be praised. Its a nasty business. Few women really look forward to meeting. Perhaps afterward if you are a generous gentleman that treats them kindly.

Its not like on TV with those HBO escort specials. Most of these women are down and out users and losers. For just a few dollars you can make their mouth and rectum your personal amusement park.

Unless three others tell me otherwise I will assume they are all addicts, all fake, all in a bad neighborhood, all have a pimp, all have a runny nose, all have just finished up with someone, no drivers license, will not even be remotely close to being on time, all are mentally ill.

I haven't met too many honor students in this life. When I was younger and more stupid than today I wanted a provider that I could be friends with, go to dinner, and win her affection.

Well if you want something bad enough you will get it and I got it many times. It wasn't too long that someone with Daddy issues would latch on to me. Especially picking up drug addict anorexics at the psych ward waiting room. They stayed at my house, did enough maid service to earn their keep, and rolled over on their belly ass up for me when I wanted.

Soon my house was getting unwanted visitors. I was getting calls from jail. Police were calling me because my number was in their phone. Go see the movie Boulevard with Robin Williams. Take out the gay theme, replace it with our theme, and that movie could have been about me.

I seen her a couple times, everything was good except changed her number, any leads?

[QUOTE=LookingForLefty;2659393]Neither side is to blame or to be praised. Its a nasty business. Few women really look forward to meeting. Perhaps afterward if you are a generous gentleman that treats them kindly.

Its not like on TV with those HBO escort specials. Most of these women are down and out users and losers. For just a few dollars you can make their mouth and rectum your personal amusement park.

Unless three others tell me otherwise I will assume they are all addicts, all fake, all in a bad neighborhood, all have a pimp, all have a runny nose, all have just finished up with someone, no drivers license, will not even be remotely close to being on time, all are mentally ill.

I haven't met too many honor students in this life. When I was younger and more stupid than today I wanted a provider that I could be friends with, go to dinner, and win her affection.

Well if you want something bad enough you will get it and I got it many times. It wasn't too long that someone with Daddy issues would latch on to me. Especially picking up drug addict anorexics at the psych ward waiting room. They stayed at my house, did enough maid service to earn their keep, and rolled over on their belly ass up for me when I wanted.

Soon my house was getting unwanted visitors. I was getting calls from jail. Police were calling me because my number was in their phone. Go see the movie Boulevard with Robin Williams. Take out the gay theme, replace it with our theme, and that movie could have been about me.[/QUOTE]Lefty knows what he is talking about. If you sell your ass for a living, then you are, as Lefty says, a loser or user. Conversely, if you are looking for a girl friend or wife in the escort world then you need your head examined. Just get the pussy, pay, and move on, don't expect much. Remember, to them, we are nothing more than tricks. Thanks Lefty for keeping it real.

[QUOTE=Chiapas32;2660126]I seen her a couple times, everything was good except changed her number, any leads?[/QUOTE]Funny I must have missed your review of her in the forum. She looks kinda familiar to me. Do you at least know her name?

[QUOTE=Howard5354;2660256]Lefty knows what he is talking about. If you sell your ass for a living, then you are, as Lefty says, a loser or user. Conversely, if you are looking for a girl friend or wife in the escort world then you need your head examined. Just get the pussy, pay, and move on, don't expect much. Remember, to them, we are nothing more than tricks. Thanks Lefty for keeping it real.[/QUOTE]I believe it is Kate that you all have put up on a pedestal as how a provider should provide. There are not many around like her. Haven't seen any complaints. She even sounds like she'd be fun just to have a cup of coffee with.

But she is in the 1 percent crowd. Good for her.