"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=Jboogie91;4742585]Has anyone had experience with these 2? If not, thinking about TOFTT but would like to know if I need to avoid beforehand.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/fe384ac2-ca9f-4d2f-8e31-d18ba1ddb57f[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e89f1c84-8c9c-45f7-b90f-ef51da3bb124[/URL][/QUOTE]Chatted with Tori for a few minutes, typical one word responses to questions you would get from a kid. Asked if she was looking for online or in person, she said online for now. I bailed at that point, just another young kid wanting free money from old dudes.

[QUOTE=SoonerFan72;4746476]Chatted with Tori for a few minutes, typical one word responses to questions you would get from a kid. Asked if she was looking for online or in person, she said online for now. I bailed at that point, just another young kid wanting free money from old dudes.[/QUOTE]I'll avoid that no thanks. If I meet with the other, I'll report back.

Just looking for online. Blah.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e59c21b1-fd00-437f-8ce4-03829e049245[/URL]

Whats money up front as a "safety precaution". LOL Said she had been assaulted before from someone on the site, so now she requires money up front. I asked, how does that prevent someone from still assaulting you?? Stupid ho's.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f9cc6145-2d7d-4f33-8009-b28a5f9cc545[/URL]

[QUOTE=SoonerFan72;4746787]Whats money up front as a "safety precaution". LOL Said she had been assaulted before from someone on the site, so now she requires money up front. I asked, how does that prevent someone from still assaulting you?? Stupid ho's.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f9cc6145-2d7d-4f33-8009-b28a5f9cc545[/URL][/QUOTE]That profile has been reviewed dozens of times I believe, she re creates it every few days. Scammer.

[QUOTE=Anubis06;4745993]It's definitely not because of paid service. I paid about $200 per month. I paid $80+ for paid fee and I paid for $60 for I think 10 boosts x2 per month. They still banned me and I never discussed arrangement details in SA messages; always on IG DM or some place I can "unsend" messages. I was on there over two years and they just randomly banned me one day.[/QUOTE]I have only had a warning from SA for "solicitation", and they froze my account for 24 hours. It was when I was traveling in Europe, but it taught me two valuable lessons:

1. Never get into an argument with these dumb girls while messaging or texting. Because they retaliate by reporting you sometimes. They can also retaliate in other ways so keep your cool no matter what. SA doesn't care about us or about investigating so they just cancel your account.

2. If you get a weird vibe or you know the girl is a scammer (wants money upfront) or time waster just block her right away. If you block them from your SA account, they can't report you.

I know this because I was already texting with a girl and then she flipped out after just meeting for a drink. I blocked her on SA bc I had a bad vibe and she later texted me that she was trying to report me but that she couldn't and that I was "lucky that I blocked her" LOL.

The overall quality of personality has gone way down hill sadly. I've been on SA since 2014 when it was sort of still underground. Back then it was so much more quality but less quantity. They were still kind of shy about the $ aspect and it was in between a Gf and escort (they would accept dinner dates instead of cash sometimes etc).

Now that everyone knows about it and it's not really stigmatized anymore, the flood gates have opened and all the annoying girls have joined just looking for an easy con.

Remember to never give a girl money upfront, it's like feeding the bears. It hurts all of us.

Although I actually let my account lapse a while ago, it's just not worth it anymore.

Wants $35 for a dropbox folder full of pics and videos. NOPE.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/82c5e545-b202-41a0-ad72-94e45773df17[/URL]

Wants $500 per meet, claims she has had previous daddies. Said she is in the Marrietta area, and can't travel far or host. Pics she sent were actually really nice, I never verified her with a specific pic request though. I didn't even try to haggle, way above my price range.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3f03e2a6-f391-4331-ae9e-59296794abc0[/URL]

HAHAHA.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/05e2f169-beb9-456c-b4b3-692ae1d32776[/URL]

First response to me:

I want something real. I will talk to you everyday, and we can grow as individuals but also as a pair. I am a top of the line woman that only deserves the best. I require a $5,000 fee up front to ensure that I am not investing in something in vain. I do this to avoid getting hurt like I have been in the past. If you are interested please contact me here. Xx. Thanks. Xx Kase.

[QUOTE=Hotrod82;4747278]HAHAHA.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/05e2f169-beb9-456c-b4b3-692ae1d32776[/URL]

First response to me:

I want something real. I will talk to you everyday, and we can grow as individuals but also as a pair. I am a top of the line woman that only deserves the best. I require a $5,000 fee up front to ensure that I am not investing in something in vain. I do this to avoid getting hurt like I have been in the past. If you are interested please contact me here. Xx. Thanks. Xx Kase.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure her photos have been photoshopped & her head cropped on the body. When did she want the money, before the meet & greet?

[QUOTE=BoJackSugarman;4746973]I have only had a warning from SA for "solicitation", and they froze my account for 24 hours. It was when I was traveling in Europe, but it taught me two valuable lessons:

1. Never get into an argument with these dumb girls while messaging or texting. Because they retaliate by reporting you sometimes. They can also retaliate in other ways so keep your cool no matter what. SA doesn't care about us or about investigating so they just cancel your account.

2. If you get a weird vibe or you know the girl is a scammer (wants money upfront) or time waster just block her right away. If you block them from your SA account, they can't report you.

I know this because I was already texting with a girl and then she flipped out after just meeting for a drink. I blocked her on SA bc I had a bad vibe and she later texted me that she was trying to report me but that she couldn't and that I was "lucky that I blocked her" LOL.

The overall quality of personality has gone way down hill sadly. I've been on SA since 2014 when it was sort of still underground. Back then it was so much more quality but less quantity. They were still kind of shy about the $ aspect and it was in between a Gf and escort (they would accept dinner dates instead of cash sometimes etc).

Now that everyone knows about it and it's not really stigmatized anymore, the flood gates have opened and all the annoying girls have joined just looking for an easy con.

Remember to never give a girl money upfront, it's like feeding the bears. It hurts all of us.

Although I actually let my account lapse a while ago, it's just not worth it anymore.[/QUOTE]Excellent advice in their, I give thee the new username SAOG, since your a SA original gangster.

I've been doing it on & off for 3 years, & your advice is spot on. The minute I move to text with a girl I block her, I tell them right upfront on text I deleted my account & give them a line about being megonomis. If your account is private, it's not searchable, so they cannot find your account again if they search. I have a pretty standard opening & platonic responses, I tell them on my profile about moving to text for privacy reasons & point out SA can look at all our chats. UTR type girls "the real sugar babies" will immediately want to move to chat. Also why would I even want to get into a bitching match with a chick that I am paying to leave when the sun comes up.

Also what were your European experiences. I had a trip lined up where I would be in Malaga for ten days & was going to have two girls I met on SA fly in, each for 4 days. One was a 19 year old Romanian girl & another a 24 year old Russian.

Wants to be online buddies until "all this virus stuff passes us". Silly Ho's.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/65723def-d50b-4bad-bb71-ee035abff1d7[/URL]

She's back: [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/bd910258-368c-4f73-81ff-f5e3368d8ef4[/URL].

[QUOTE=Hal1957;4739502]Sorry, she dumped her account before I could save the pix, but it was dolly-something, 22 year old, 5-2, dyed blonde, tits like watermelons, works at a plus size women's store in Athens and claims to be a student. Uses a kik account that has "dolly" in it. Starts off with lots of text to get your attention, then crickets. Suggested a meeting and she says "maybe, if you send a little money first. ".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SeekingHead;4747355]Excellent advice in their, I give thee the new username SAOG, since your a SA original gangster.

I've been doing it on & off for 3 years, & your advice is spot on. The minute I move to text with a girl I block her, I tell them right upfront on text I deleted my account & give them a line about being megonomis. If your account is private, it's not searchable, so they cannot find your account again if they search. I have a pretty standard opening & platonic responses, I tell them on my profile about moving to text for privacy reasons & point out SA can look at all our chats. UTR type girls "the real sugar babies" will immediately want to move to chat. Also why would I even want to get into a bitching match with a chick that I am paying to leave when the sun comes up.

Also what were your European experiences. I had a trip lined up where I would be in Malaga for ten days & was going to have two girls I met on SA fly in, each for 4 days. One was a 19 year old Romanian girl & another a 24 year old Russian.[/QUOTE]Oh man, I will start here and continue via PM about International SA experience. I will say it like this if SA USA is cocaine then SA Europe is crack. This will tell you all you need to know I moved there for 6 months to live with a girl I met off SA and almost married her LOL. Girls on SA are SO hot multiple 9's and 10's. My girl was a solid 9. 5 from Czech. I will pass on to you the SAOG travel strategy. Before I would book any trip, I would get on SA and scan to see which cities had the most and hottest SA girls then I would chat up a bunch like 20 and tell them I already had a trip booked. Once I was sure of at least 5-6 meetups then I booked the trip. I would meet plenty more on the fly with SA while I was there. Some key differences at least in 2017 when I was there last:

1. Forget any $100 nonsense bargaining Euro girls arent having it. At least the hotties, I never went below a 7 except once (and her I got for just dinner often but was still 200/250 Euro first time) any 8+ you are looking at minimum 300-400 euros, but trust me it's worth it. They are hotter than the pornstars here who charge 2 k.

2. They are more emotional than US and get more attached. Treat them like a Gf and they will act like one (in a good way) making it less transactional. The one 7 I banged I paid her 200 once but then we just went out and she dropped the allowance completely. I saw her off and on for about 6 months on multiple trips. The girl I lived with for 6 months I never paid a scent to. Just dinners and groceries and I paid my share of the rent when we lived together. If a hottie is hanging out w you a bunch but no sex is happening, then she is likely waiting for you to bring up the allowance which happens rarely but it does and esp for the really hot ones. I got lucky to get a unicorn 9. 5 freebie but it's unlikely.

3. Freebies are possible if you have game. We forget but Americans are as exotic to Euros as they are to us. Work that if you have stuff they don't have there like a decent house w a pool etc slip it in and make yourself seem like an American baller. It will make them start thinking long term and you can lessen or drop allowance (see rule #2) or at least move to sex faster.

4. If you are going on a sex tour rather than sight seeing as your primary purpose, then pick countries off the beaten path like (Latvia OMG I lost my shit in the capital of Riga, supermodels everywhere), Latvia, Estonia, Hungary, Poland, Czech. The epicenter of SA in Europe is Barcelona so that is an easy lock.

5. Always tell them you are visiting that particular city for a year. I found out early that if they think you are just passing through, many won't bite. I just kept on saying I had just arrived and I was there for a year for work (pick an obscure and vague profession like IT or finance) . It's also easier to get a meetup bc they genuinely want to show you their city.

6. Get a good International plan for internet and texting. I have T. Obile so that is included and it's key. Euros all text via WhatsApp. If you don't have it up and running like you would here, you are screwed. Messaging through SA is too slow since you will be traveling. They don't text phone to phone like we do. I have no idea why but WhatsApp is the default texting app except in the US.

7. Set up multiple dates in a day, flake factor is about same as here maybe even a little higher for the super hot ones. I space them out about 2 hours apart and let them know I'm meeting a colleague after if I want to go on to the next date. If current date is a hottie and it feels like a lock, I will cancel on the other after I know we are heading back to my place. Bc you are traveling, you won't have much time to meet up in a flake situation like you would at home so make each day of meetups count.

8. Be the fun tourist, let the drinks flow, tell stories and jokes and bring your most upbeat A game whatever it takes to get you in that headspace. This will add to the exotic foreigner appeal. I have ADHD so I have a prescription for Adderall but if I take with a few drinks I'm on fire just got to be careful with that tho.

Have fun bro and report back. I had a blast with SA internationally esp in Europe and South America. It was my main motivation for travel for a couple of years. Best years of my life.

SAOG.

[QUOTE=SoonerFan72;4746467]Just use Paypal. If you don't have an account, sign up. Use their app on your phone, it has an option to add cash at a store, such as Walmart or Walgreens. Go into a location, add cash to your account. Have her sign up on her end. Send her all the money you want. Good luck.[/QUOTE]Venmo allows you to link a credit card. I have one that is paperless and comes directly to me so I use that. I have a BlueBird Amex card from Walmart that I can load with cash and send via Venmo as well.