"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4119525]Just thinking more about this subject gets my juices flowing.

I have actually had many SBs that were as submissive as you might hope to expect. None of them were experienced in this when I first met them, but I was more than happy to indulge their curiosities and oblige their further enlightenment. One in particular comes to mind that I enjoyed most deliciously when she was a freshman and sophomore in college. Looking at my catalog of pics and vids of her reminds me vividly how exciting and satisfying that was for me.[/QUOTE]Great pic PTG! Most all SB are true subs anyway. I have a nice photo selection myself.

There is a reason this forum has a photo gallery. Post away PTG post away!

[QUOTE=ErkTheOne;4120957]Has anyone actually seen this baby? She's been available for quite some time. She responds, I'm just curious if anyone had anymore info. Feel free DM my inbox or just post right here. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/885a31b5-8768-43af-9766-1f1d8401b7d1[/URL].

Spoken with her a few times, but then she goes dark and I've never met her. I'm definitely super curious too, would love to hear if anyone has had any luck.[/QUOTE]I've met her in person, 1 time. She's real, very cute. Very under the radar. She has sent some very tasteful pics for $$. (very jack off worthy) But she sort of spooked me with text messages, asking me to buy booze for her underage friends. Also during a phone call I noticed she let some other girl answer and pretend be her. I was supposed to meet her at a hotel one evening, but I got nervous and cancelled. I was hoping someone else might have more info.

As someone who has posted too many hundreds of pics on this site to count (like only that guy in philly posts more). I have to agree. I have had so many pics posted that I deleted maybe half of them over the years just to not seem too overly post crazy. My rule of thumb is to only post pics that are the girls private pics or the candid ones I take while on a date. As a small courtesy I usually blank out the girls eyes to semi protect their anonymity. I wish I could have read the posts that were deleted before the Admin2 did so. As I love a little drama to spice up my day.

I have never cared if a girl is exclusive or not (and usually encourage them to date as much as possible, so as to lessen the pressure for me to donate). A prime example is my current GF whose SD is shelling out 4k a month on her (plus room and board). And it wouldn't matter if he was spending 10k a month. Once she walks out the door he has no clue what she is doing and with whom she is doing it with. If you think she is crazy enough to flaunt that, she is not. As far as he knows she is going to her parents or visiting a GF.

I have had maybe three or four exclusive SB relationships in the last 10 years out of maybe a dozen that I have had on a guaranteed monthly allowance. That's just the way it is. And that exclusivity was never a two way street except once (when I was a lame newbie). My current "wifey" is exclusive, and even that is a new thing. After six years of on and off dating her, with both of us having multiple partners, she finally decided to settle down and focus on me and her career. Obviously I have a hall pass from her as sneaking around would be impossible.

So anyway as I have said on here many times in the past, please guys post as many pics as you can because it can be very informative. Sometimes there is so much blah blah blah on these threads (me included), and you know what they say about a picture and words.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4121657]I have never cared if a girl is exclusive or not (and usually encourage them to date as much as possible, so as to lessen the pressure for me to donate). A prime example is my current GF whose SD is shelling out 4k a month on her (plus room and board). And it wouldn't matter if he was spending 10k a month. Once she walks out the door he has no clue what she is doing and with whom she is doing it with. If you think she is crazy enough to flaunt that, she is not. As far as he knows she is going to her parents or visiting a GF.
ds.[/QUOTE]After the rant about not trusting or believing in exclusivity, why would you trust or believe any SB about receiving 4 K a month from one SD?

I completely agree that having an exclusive SB isn't likely. The girls will tell you what you would like to hear. I play the same game, I tell them whatever they like. No harm done in my mind. Virtually every profile says the girl is looking for one SD. As far as 4 K per month? Possible, but likely another story. It's a common tactic girls use to persuade us SDs. You offer $300 they say the last SD gave $600 per date. To be honest I find $400 / date to be a sweet spot.

[QUOTE=SandPiper540;4121773]After the rant about not trusting or believing in exclusivity, why would you trust or believe any SB about receiving 4 K a month from one SD?

I completely agree that having an exclusive SB isn't likely. The girls will tell you what you would like to hear. I play the same game, I tell them whatever they like. No harm done in my mind. Virtually every profile says the girl is looking for one SD. As far as 4 K per month? Possible, but likely another story. It's a common tactic girls use to persuade us SDs. You offer $300 they say the last SD gave $600 per date. To be honest I find $400 / date to be a sweet spot.[/QUOTE]I know first hand how much she gets because I can see how much she spends when she is with me. How much she spends on clothes, jewelry, hotel rooms, meals, party favors, etc. And that money isn't coming from me because I stopped paying her 2 months ago. So far this month I got 11 trips to the FC with her for $$$$ and all of that went to pay for the no-tel (when I couldn't bring her to my house) and also a $ going to uber.

My sweet spot is a $ a date. In L.A. at $$ you can have a model a day. But I am on a budget. My live in costs me zero, as she covers all her own expenses, but she does get free rent, use of a car, and her cel phone paid.

Most of my girls are anything but white, so there will be some discounting there. But this white hottie hit me up an hour ago. I didn't even waste time trying to sweet talk her, I just told her I pay a $ a date. She said she liked my profile. Will it all come together? Who know, who cares, there are too many to worry about any particular one.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;4119127]Usually I like to take my time. A nice dinner with wine. Some flowers. Perhaps a little gift of jewelry. A steamy hot roll in the hay at a nice hotel. Maybe 2 or 3 rolls. Anyone for 4? LOL Most girls appreciate the romanticism of it all and are quite willing to give you any hole you want for as long as you want.

But then there is that day you don't have time for all of that. So you park in a secluded place like a horny teenager and have some good old fashioned car sex. So nice. Especially when she looks like your first grade teacher.

Which is this? The pics speak for themselves. I don't think it was ever this good when I was 16. Some things, like wine, get better with age.[/QUOTE]Gross! I love my dick! I wouldn't let something like that near it. I love my car too. This is the exact reason why I pay big allowances. I want quality!

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I completely agree that having an exclusive SB isn't likely. The girls will tell you what you would like to hear. I play the same game, I tell them whatever they like. No harm done in my mind. Virtually every profile says the girl is looking for one SD. As far as 4 K per month? Possible, but likely another story. It's a common tactic girls use to persuade us SDs. You offer $300 they say the last SD gave $600 per date. To be honest I find $400 / date to be a sweet spot.[/QUOTE]400 is definitely my sweet spot. The guys on here need to think about the cost of living in RVA. The average one-bedroom apartment in Richmond is 1800/ month. What kind of bills are being paid with 200 bucks? That's like 33% of one of their car payments.

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[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4122345]I know first hand how much she gets because I can see how much she spends when she is with me. How much she spends on clothes, jewelry, hotel rooms, meals, party favors, etc. And that money isn't coming from me because I stopped paying her 2 months ago. So far this month I got 11 trips to the FC with her for $$$$ and all of that went to pay for the no-tel (when I couldn't bring her to my house) and also a $ going to uber.

My sweet spot is a $ a date. In L.A. at $$ you can have a model a day. But I am on a budget. My live in costs me zero, as she covers all her own expenses, but she does get free rent, use of a car, and her cel phone paid.

Most of my girls are anything but white, so there will be some discounting there. But this white hottie hit me up an hour ago. I didn't even waste time trying to sweet talk her, I just told her I pay a $ a date. She said she liked my profile. Will it all come together? Who know, who cares, there are too many to worry about any particular one.[/QUOTE]"Street people" are not my thing. Anybody with a pic that looks professional, probably paid $500 minimum to have those pictures taken. I doubt she'll be a 200 FC. As far as your SB that you stopped paying 2 months ago, it sounds like a drug addict that wants to party and needs some schmuck to pay for the hotel. I think the fact that its you is really just inconsequential.

[QUOTE=BdSmith;4122786]400 is definitely my sweet spot. The guys on here need to think about the cost of living in RVA. The average one-bedroom apartment in Richmond is 1800/ month. What kind of bills are being paid with 200 bucks? That's like 33% of one of their car payments.[/QUOTE]That is an SD apartment!

My last RVA SB shared a nice place in Scotts Landing or whatever -- it was $1400 for a 2 BR.

Most RVA SBs are students -- part or full time -- and there is no way they are paying $1800 for housing.

I budget $400 all in -- hotel, any meals and her tuition assistance and rarely get any push back. IF they host, I'm happy to give them the difference since it is more discrete and her lingerie and toys are close at hand.

Last weekend I went to LA for a business trip, before I went there I talked to some local girls and hope I can find some fun while I was in town. There was one girl she is 19,5'2, 95 lbs, white / lain mix skinny girl. Super cute. We talked for couple days, and I told her what I'm looking for and we didn't talk about allowance at all. As we agreed, we would go to have a dinner and see if we have chemistry or not. And we go from there. After I landed in LA, I sent her a text and told her we can meet at my hotel lobby at 7 pm. She was cool and show up on time. We met at door, she is very pretty young girl. And we went to for a dinner. We talked a lot and seem we do like each other. And because she is under 21, we can't drink outside, so I bought her to my hotel. We had some wine, nothing crazy. First two hrs at my hotel we were just talking, she told her story why she came to LA, and she work in restaurant at the moment. And she broke up with her bf 2 months ago. Bla bla bla. It is fine, I got nothing to do, so I listen and told her what I think. And she said she has lots Korean girl friends, and they are all super pretty and skinny. And that is why she try to keep in good shape, doesn't want to be the "fat" one in the group. But trust me, she is not even close to that. I asked her to stand up so I could take a good look of her body. I put my arms around her and hug her. She started to kiss me, sweet and passion. So we french kiss for a good 10 plus minutes, she started to take off my pants and give me BJ without I asking. After that, I ate her pussy and finger her, she cum just during the oral. We fucked almost hrs that night and the more I fucked her the wilder she turned. She said she was horny, and want to be my little ****. She talks and looks so Innocent 2 hrs ago, but now she is talking dirty on the bed and ask me to spit on her face. I cum twice that night, and the second time really took me a while, but she seemed very enjoy it and just want to me keep fucking her. After couple hrs fuck excise, we cuddled and slept. In the morning, she started to blow me again and told me that she wants fuck and she want to me cum inside her little pussy this time. Before we used wraps. I was like, fuck it. Lets do it. After a good 30 minutes raw fucking, and I cum all in her little 19 yrs old pussy. After that, she started to get dress and tell me she needs to go to work at 10 am.

At that moment, that was the question I asked on here before. Dam, how much I need to pay her? We didn't even discuss that part at all. I remember someone told me just put the money in their bag and try not to embarrass those girls. So I did, and I did a pretty good job not to embarrass her because seems like she didn't even notice it. I walked her out of the hotel, and she left.

We had a short conversation after she left, and I copy those text here. That is the interesting part of my experience.

She: It was nice to meet you but I normally do arrangements with allowances (that's what a traditional arrangement is). Sorry, I totally forgot to tell you. It was nice to meet you and I hope you find another arrangement soon.

Me: Yep. We forgot to talk about that part. But you are so nice. (I thought she talked about monthly allowance).

She: I'm sorry. I don't normally meet people without allowance, because I spend money when I get ready. I mentioned it at first on SA, but I didn't mention it in person so it's my fault. But, I had fun with you, so you are an exception 😊 next time you come to LA, feel free to text me so we can hang out again. (When I read this, I was very confused).

Me: You are so sweet. I will come back. (I don't know what else to say).

After 1 hr, she text me again.

She: I'm so sorry, I didn't even check my bag. Thank you so much ❤65039;10084;65039; I just saw it now (Now I realize that she just saw the money!

Me: LOL, you are so cute! (Dam girl, you walked out without knowing I paid?).

I mean, this is the kind of experience I'm looking for. It felt so good and real! And doesn't feel like a transaction at all!

Afterwards, I was thinking, she walked out of my door without knowing I paid her, and she started to text me about money but she still keep it cool and nice.

She was sitting in uber must wondering that: Dam, I just give out free pussy last night!

I enjoy looking at pictures of other guy's sugar babys. I've got a collection myself, I love it. My question about posting pictures is: Can you be sued for defamation? I mean you need consent to publicly post lewd pictures of someone else, am I right?

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4123036]That is an SD apartment!

My last RVA SB shared a nice place in Scotts Landing or whatever -- it was $1400 for a 2 BR.

Most RVA SBs are students -- part or full time -- and there is no way they are paying $1800 for housing.

I budget $400 all in -- hotel, any meals and her tuition assistance and rarely get any push back. IF they host, I'm happy to give them the difference since it is more discrete and her lingerie and toys are close at hand.[/QUOTE]That's the point. They can't pay the 1800 they need for housing. That's why they put a profile up on SA. And you're right, most of them are part-time or full-time students, so they're getting screwed with paying $1,000/ mo for Healthcare on top of everything. Their part-time jobs give them too much income to qualify for Medicaid unless they're pregnant or have a bunch of nasty kids. Don't rely on my opinion. Pick up an Apartment Guide. Basic utilities alone are another 800 a month. If they really ARE students, their tuition is between 1200 and 2400 a month on top of that. If a student's allowance is 200, she would need to FC at least 20 guys a month to make ends meet.

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Reading all these posts about pictures got me thinking I could be more generous. These are some of my favorite pics of a former SB.

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What a surprise. A couple days after I ban somebody for saying stupid shit like this there are new users saying it. I merged them all into one account.

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[QUOTE=FeelGoodMd;4123463]Reading all these posts about pictures got me thinking I could be more generous. These are some of my favorite pics of a former SB.[/QUOTE]I,m always using a collar or some rope, thanks for the belt pic.

[QUOTE=SandPiper540;4123064]I enjoy looking at pictures of other guy's sugar babys. I've got a collection myself, I love it. My question about posting pictures is: Can you be sued for defamation? I mean you need consent to publicly post lewd pictures of someone else, am I right?[/QUOTE][BLUE]Who is SandPiper540? How do I name him in an action? I don't know who you are, and if I don't who does?

Then there is the subject of jurisdiction, sue you where? The holding company is in one country, the servers in another, the registered owner in another, the registration in another, none which have revenge porn laws. Sue who, where?

I'm not saying anybody has to post anything, we never have. If you told a chick "hey baby let me take some photos, I'll never post them anywhere" and then you do you're a douchebag, she's also fucking stupid for letting you take them. If they are obvious hidden camera pictures and you're the kind of douchebag that hides your identity by shows her's I'll delete them.

If a chick lets you take pictures they are your fucking pictures.

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This is how someone with no game and no appeal would respond. Don't be a hater because someone can get what you can't. LOL.

[QUOTE=Rustyshk;4122977]"Street people" are not my thing. Anybody with a pic that looks professional, probably paid $500 minimum to have those pictures taken. I doubt she'll be a 200 FC. As far as your SB that you stopped paying 2 months ago, it sounds like a drug addict that wants to party and needs some schmuck to pay for the hotel. I think the fact that its you is really just inconsequential.[/QUOTE]

My average has been 120 to 200 ppm. Early on in the bowl, I went to 600 for what I thought was a super hot girl. Turns out, she was 100% focussed on the $s and was a clock watcher. Not a good experience at all which i chalked up to my inexperience.

My best experiences have been with girls who really enjoyed the experience and the $s were just a bonus. I've found I don't really enjoy intimacy when my partner acts like they can't wait for it to be done.

For me, there is almost an inverse relationship between the quality of my experience and the allowance a girl asks for.

There is some correlation to the asking allowance and the girls attractiveness, but not as much as you might think. Expensive girls spend lots of money on hair, make-up, nails, outfits and professional photographs often times to hide physical flaws. Many of the more reasonable girls have a natural beauty that doesnt require all the camouflage. They look a whole lot better in the morning!!! Lol

[QUOTE=Rustyshk;4122786]400 is definitely my sweet spot. The guys on here need to think about the cost of living in RVA. The average one-bedroom apartment in Richmond is 1800/ month. What kind of bills are being paid with 200 bucks? That's like 33% of one of their car payments.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rustyshk;4123066]That's the point. They can't pay the 1800 they need for housing. That's why they put a profile up on SA. And you're right, most of them are part-time or full-time students, so they're getting screwed with paying $1,000/ mo for Healthcare on top of everything. Their part-time jobs give them too much income to qualify for Medicaid unless they're pregnant or have a bunch of nasty kids. Don't rely on my opinion. Pick up an Apartment Guide. Basic utilities alone are another 800 a month. If they really ARE students, their tuition is between 1200 and 2400 a month on top of that. If a student's allowance is 200, she would need to FC at least 20 guys a month to make ends meet.[/QUOTE]You can definitely talk the 600 girls down to 400.

Anyone know anything about her? [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/42c706e2-37ac-b8e2-d149-9537ad24b0a7[/URL].

We had been messaging but then she goes quiet for a while, and have never met up yet. Looks like she has been on SA for a long time so she must have some experience.

[QUOTE=FreeSpiritFet;4123055]Last weekend I went to LA for a business trip, before I went there I talked to some local girls and hope I can find some fun while I was in town. There was one girl she is 19,5'2, 95 lbs, white / lain mix skinny girl. Super cute. We talked for couple days, and I told her what I'm looking for and we didn't talk about allowance at all. As we agreed, we would go to have a dinner and see if we have chemistry or not. And we go from there. After I landed in LA, I sent her a text and told her we can meet at my hotel lobby at 7 pm. She was cool and show up on time. We met at door, she is very pretty young girl. And we went to for a dinner. We talked a lot and seem we do like each other. And because she is under 21, we can't drink outside, so I bought her to my hotel. We had some wine, nothing crazy. First two hrs at my hotel we were just talking, she told her story why she came to LA, and she work in restaurant at the moment. And she broke up with her bf 2 months ago. Bla bla bla. It is fine, I got nothing to do, so I listen and told her what I think. And she said she has lots Korean girl friends, and they are all super pretty and skinny. And that is why she try to keep in good shape, doesn't want to be the "fat" one in the group. But trust me, she is not even close to that. I asked her to stand up so I could take a good look of her body. I put my arms around her and hug her. She started to kiss me, sweet and passion. So we french kiss for a good 10 plus minutes, she started to take off my pants and give me BJ without I asking. After that, I ate her pussy and finger her, she cum just during the oral. We fucked almost hrs that night and the more I fucked her the wilder she turned. She said she was horny, and want to be my little ****. She talks and looks so Innocent 2 hrs ago, but now she is talking dirty on the bed and ask me to spit on her face. I cum twice that night, and the second time really took me a while, but she seemed very enjoy it and just want to me keep fucking her. After couple hrs fuck excise, we cuddled and slept. In the morning, she started to blow me again and told me that she wants fuck and she want to me cum inside her little pussy this time. Before we used wraps. I was like, fuck it. Lets do it. After a good 30 minutes raw fucking, and I cum all in her little 19 yrs old pussy. After that, she started to get dress and tell me she needs to go to work at 10 am.

At that moment, that was the question I asked on here before. Dam, how much I need to pay her? We didn't even discuss that part at all. I remember someone told me just put the money in their bag and try not to embarrass those girls. So I did, and I did a pretty good job not to embarrass her because seems like she didn't even notice it. I walked her out of the hotel, and she left.

We had a short conversation after she left, and I copy those text here. That is the interesting part of my experience.

She: It was nice to meet you but I normally do arrangements with allowances (that's what a traditional arrangement is). Sorry, I totally forgot to tell you. It was nice to meet you and I hope you find another arrangement soon.

Me: Yep. We forgot to talk about that part. But you are so nice. (I thought she talked about monthly allowance).

She: I'm sorry. I don't normally meet people without allowance, because I spend money when I get ready. I mentioned it at first on SA, but I didn't mention it in person so it's my fault. But, I had fun with you, so you are an exception 😊 next time you come to LA, feel free to text me so we can hang out again. (When I read this, I was very confused).

Me: You are so sweet. I will come back. (I don't know what else to say).

After 1 hr, she text me again.

She: I'm so sorry, I didn't even check my bag. Thank you so much ❤65039;10084;65039; I just saw it now (Now I realize that she just saw the money!

Me: LOL, you are so cute! (Dam girl, you walked out without knowing I paid?).

I mean, this is the kind of experience I'm looking for. It felt so good and real! And doesn't feel like a transaction at all!

Afterwards, I was thinking, she walked out of my door without knowing I paid her, and she started to text me about money but she still keep it cool and nice.

She was sitting in uber must wondering that: Dam, I just give out free pussy last night![/QUOTE]How much did you put in her purse?

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;4124013]For me, there is almost an inverse relationship between the quality of my experience and the allowance a girl asks for.

There is some correlation to the asking allowance and the girls attractiveness, but not as much as you might think.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with your statement.

I offer a $ to dozens of girls a month. Sometimes average ones laugh in my face, and sometimes models jump at the chance to hook up with me. I think any 18-20 girl that readily goes to a no-tel with a 65 year old is often times a rebel or a thrill seeker. For them it's like trying a new drug or having sex with the devil. I never even hear from about half of these girls after one or two trips to the FC. They want to be naughty and dirty with an older guy, it's like a right of passage in some cases. In others they realize they can go right to $$ or $$$ or more. And of course there are the ones that just think you are hot/interesting or have a bill to pay. But whatever the case, you got to love it. And from time to time you find a keeper.

[QUOTE=Hal1957;4124294]How much did you put in her purse?[/QUOTE]I gave her 200.

When you write $, is that mean 100?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4124478]I totally agree with your statement.

I offer a $ to dozens of girls a month. Sometimes average ones laugh in my face, and sometimes models jump at the chance to hook up with me. I think any 18-20 girl that readily goes to a no-tel with a 65 year old is often times a rebel or a thrill seeker. For them it's like trying a new drug or having sex with the devil. I never even hear from about half of these girls after one or two trips to the FC. They want to be naughty and dirty with an older guy, it's like a right of passage in some cases. In others they realize they can go right to $$ or $$$ or more. And of course there are the ones that just think you are hot/interesting or have a bill to pay. But whatever the case, you got to love it. And from time to time you find a keeper.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Passport4;4084811]I too can attest that this works, but my experience is that as a no longer current paying member, that the only messages I receive with either a phone number or an email is either from a scammer or a working girl. I too would love to know how to access more as this has been basically a tease. I have received some interesting messages, but that is as far as it can be taken without ponying up to the bar again.[/QUOTE]Change up your profile, asking SBs to say more than just hello, tell me what you have in mind and send me a contact. Then do what they do, "favorite" a whole bunch of possibles so they look at your profile and send that contact.

I was using AOL and got banned twice so I went to [URL]yahoo.com[/URL] and made a.

New email address and always logged on from internet explorer and not my aol account, I put the same picture up that I used on the banned site, paid with a vanilla card and false name and address and phone number\my profile was up for 3 days.

Now they BANNED ME AGAIN,they must have traced my computer info??

Any way around this to avoid my old identity. Now I am am out 89.00.

Any help would be appreciated Many thanks CM.

[QUOTE=CandyMan555;4125121]I was using AOL and got banned twice so I went to [URL]yahoo.com[/URL] and made a.

New email address and always logged on from internet explorer and not my aol account, I put the same picture up that I used on the banned site, paid with a vanilla card and false name and address and phone number\my profile was up for 3 days.

Now they BANNED ME AGAIN,they must have traced my computer info??

Any way around this to avoid my old identity. Now I am am out 89.00.

Any help would be appreciated Many thanks CM.[/QUOTE]Don't use the same picture. If we're using tools to find out who the girls are, they service is probably doing the same with us.

Ask your internet provider to give you a new IP address. They can identify you through the IP address and if you're using a modem it's usually static. Never changes.

[QUOTE=FreeSpiritFet;4124686]I gave her 200.[/QUOTE]Wow! You gota whole night with an L. A. Teen for only 200?

[QUOTE=Hal1957;4125157]Don't use the same picture. If we're using tools to find out who the girls are, they service is probably doing the same with us.

Ask your internet provider to give you a new IP address. They can identify you through the IP address and if you're using a modem it's usually static. Never changes.[/QUOTE]Someone recommended a VPN any feedback? Thanks CM.

[QUOTE=FeelGoodMd;4123463]Reading all these posts about pictures got me thinking I could be more generous. These are some of my favorite pics of a former SB.[/QUOTE]So curious. How much per month did something like that (nice body, submissive, etc) cost on an ongoing basis?

I use Private Internet Access: [URL]https://www.privateinternetaccess.com[/URL] You can pay anonymously with a gift card. $50 per year covers 5 devices.

Good Hunting!

Travelin.

[QUOTE=CandyMan555;4125803]Someone recommended a VPN any feedback? Thanks CM.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FreeSpiritFet;4123055]Last weekend I went to LA for a business trip, before I went there I talked to some local girls and hope I can find some fun while I was in town. There was one girl she is 19,5'2, 95 lbs, white / lain mix skinny girl. Super cute. We talked for couple days, and I told her what I'm looking for and we didn't talk about allowance at all. As we agreed, we would go to have a dinner and see if we have chemistry or not. And we go from there. After I landed in LA, I sent her a text and told her we can meet at my hotel lobby at 7 pm. She was cool and show up on time. We met at door, she is very pretty young girl. And we went to for a dinner. We talked a lot and seem we do like each other. And because she is under 21, we can't drink outside, so I bought her to my hotel. We had some wine, nothing crazy. First two hrs at my hotel we were just talking, she told her story why she came to LA, and she work in restaurant at the moment. And she broke up with her bf 2 months ago. Bla bla bla. It is fine, I got nothing to do, so I listen and told her what I think. And she said she has lots Korean girl friends, and they are all super pretty and skinny. And that is why she try to keep in good shape, doesn't want to be the "fat" one in the group. But trust me, she is not even close to that. I asked her to stand up so I could take a good look of her body. I put my arms around her and hug her. She started to kiss me, sweet and passion. So we french kiss for a good 10 plus minutes, she started to take off my pants and give me BJ without I asking. After that, I ate her pussy and finger her, she cum just during the oral. We fucked almost hrs that night and the more I fucked her the wilder she turned. She said she was horny, and want to be my little ****. She talks and looks so Innocent 2 hrs ago, but now she is talking dirty on the bed and ask me to spit on her face. I cum twice that night, and the second time really took me a while, but she seemed very enjoy it and just want to me keep fucking her. After couple hrs fuck excise, we cuddled and slept. In the morning, she started to blow me again and told me that she wants fuck and she want to me cum inside her little pussy this time. Before we used wraps. I was like, fuck it. Lets do it. After a good 30 minutes raw fucking, and I cum all in her little 19 yrs old pussy. After that, she started to get dress and tell me she needs to go to work at 10 am.

At that moment, that was the question I asked on here before. Dam, how much I need to pay her? We didn't even discuss that part at all. I remember someone told me just put the money in their bag and try not to embarrass those girls. So I did, and I did a pretty good job not to embarrass her because seems like she didn't even notice it. I walked her out of the hotel, and she left.

We had a short conversation after she left, and I copy those text here. That is the interesting part of my experience.

She: It was nice to meet you but I normally do arrangements with allowances (that's what a traditional arrangement is). Sorry, I totally forgot to tell you. It was nice to meet you and I hope you find another arrangement soon.

Me: Yep. We forgot to talk about that part. But you are so nice. (I thought she talked about monthly allowance).

She: I'm sorry. I don't normally meet people without allowance, because I spend money when I get ready. I mentioned it at first on SA, but I didn't mention it in person so it's my fault. But, I had fun with you, so you are an exception 😊 next time you come to LA, feel free to text me so we can hang out again. (When I read this, I was very confused).

Me: You are so sweet. I will come back. (I don't know what else to say).

After 1 hr, she text me again.

She: I'm so sorry, I didn't even check my bag. Thank you so much ❤65039;10084;65039; I just saw it now (Now I realize that she just saw the money!

Me: LOL, you are so cute! (Dam girl, you walked out without knowing I paid?).

I mean, this is the kind of experience I'm looking for. It felt so good and real! And doesn't feel like a transaction at all!

Afterwards, I was thinking, she walked out of my door without knowing I paid her, and she started to text me about money but she still keep it cool and nice.

She was sitting in uber must wondering that: Dam, I just give out free pussy last night![/QUOTE]I fully understand that in our most primitive and biological formats, cuming inside the girl, is natural and many girls truly want that. That said, I am always highly suspicious of any girl who asks for it, or demands it. I've had them literally try and leg-lock me to prevent me from pulling out, or I've had to force them to get off the top of me to prevent cuming inside of. I hope you're fixed, or don't be surprise if you get hit with the ole pregnancy scam in 2 weeks. Even fixed guys still get the ole scam. I know of two, who were fixed and the SB's still insisted they were knocked up and needed $2000 to fix the situation. And worse yet, some will claim they don't believe in terminating. Their come to Jesus moment. Region prevents them from terminating and they will haunt your life for months.

I am now fixed myself, but even so, I always pullout and so should most all you SD's. Lots of things still can go wrong.

[QUOTE=CandyMan555;4125121]I was using AOL and got banned twice so I went to [URL]yahoo.com[/URL] and made a.

New email address and always logged on from internet explorer and not my aol account, I put the same picture up that I used on the banned site, paid with a vanilla card and false name and address and phone number\my profile was up for 3 days.

Now they BANNED ME AGAIN,they must have traced my computer info??

Any way around this to avoid my old identity. Now I am am out 89.00.

Any help would be appreciated Many thanks CM.[/QUOTE]Why did SA Ban you? I know they are very strict about the pictures you post. Money isn't supposed to be discussed. I'm curious why you got Banned?

[QUOTE=CandyMan555;4125803]Someone recommended a VPN any feedback? Thanks CM.[/QUOTE]Use a browser w / a built-in VPN. I use Epic, you can select one of a few exit nodes to the internet. Epic is free, I just gave them the $ that was left over on a prepaid card I had used to get my membership, to be sure they stay in business. Epic works on [URL]seeking.com[/URL], some other fancier anonymous secure browsers like Tor (used to use it) don't currently work on there.

[QUOTE=Hal1957;4125157]Don't use the same picture. If we're using tools to find out who the girls are, they service is probably doing the same with us.

Ask your internet provider to give you a new IP address. They can identify you through the IP address and if you're using a modem it's usually static. Never changes.[/QUOTE]It is also possible that they are locating you by your MAC address. There are programs out there that allow you to spoof the address, or change it.

I got a new seeking profile a while back using my regular email address. I sent out a few messages, cut and paste, and I got banned for sending spam I believe. If I ever try to log in w / that same email address, forgetting, I get the message that my old account was deleted and cannot be revived and they won't message me about it. I used my email service, hushmail, to make email aliases, though, and that solved the problem. I have 2 profiles on SA now w / different email aliases. I did not have to change my MAC address, but I am using a browser w / VPN (see other post).

[QUOTE=PhilCollins;4125826]So curious. How much per month did something like that (nice body, submissive, etc) cost on an ongoing basis?[/QUOTE]I gave her $$ the first time I was with her because it was her 19th birthday. When I saw her the next week and gave her $, she texted me that night to ask if she had disappointed me and what she could do better to make me happy. I told her $ is what I typically would give her when I saw her, and the extra $ was for her birthday.

She never asked about money again.

I varied what I gave her per visit. I gave her $200 a couple more times, and I gave her $0 once about 2 months in just to see if she'd 1) complain and 2) come back. She didn't complain. She just thanked me profusely and cried when I paid her the next week. Again, she thought she'd disappointed me somehow. I'd say my donation averaged $120 while I was still paying her (plus $ for the hotel, and usually an extra Jackson for dinner when I dropped her off at her sorority house). Our average visit was 3 hours, so. $80/ hour give or take.

I stopped giving her anything regularly (except the $20 for dinner) the last 6 months. I told her I felt we had become too close and I didn't like treating her like a prostitute. I still gave her money when she mentioned a specific expense ($80 for a textbook, $40 for a doctor's copay, $100 for her phone insurance when she broke the screen, etc), but that happened less than once a month.

So the short answer to your question: about $1 k total expense each month the first 18 months, and about $6 monthly the last 6 months.

Best part about it. I pushed her limits hard, and in 2 years she only used her safe word once. If I wasn't married, or she hadn't used the L word, we might still be together. Best sex I ever had, and it never got boring. Plus, she opened my eyes to the wonders of the young black girl with an absent father.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4032137]I met her when she came to Charlottesville. $300 plus cheap hotel room.

Pretty face, great bod -- long legs and rack as advertised.

Nice BBBJ, cums easily and often. Very squeaky girly voice, which I found annoying.

MSOG. Semi pro single mom for sure.[/QUOTE]Had the pleasure a couple weeks ago. She hosted at a small house in a nice-ish neighborhood. Everything covered, very escort vibe. Lots of parts of her story didn't add up. Won't repeat, but that's just me.

As most of us here looking for SBs, my ultimate goal is to fuck the girl at the earliest possible opportunity. I have been taking a very direct approach with girls on SA telling them very early on my intentions and moving on if they are not DTF. It has worked reasonably well with me. However, I thought of trying something new and see if I can convert a "platonic" girl to DTF status. I have been looking for the right girl and I think I found one. She is 19, a slim girl with a very cute face. She has been on the site just for 5 days. Her profile says she just wants to hang out, conversations and get spoiled "once in a while". No "platonic" tag on the profile. Started chatting with her, and she says that she takes CNA classes, no job yet. When I asked what her expectations are, I got the standard answer "I am not sure, just new to this. ". But she said "No sex". I replied that sex means different things to different girls, and I expect some degree of intimacy, holding hands, kissing etc. Then she says, it is Ok, but "no penetration". I told her that if we can "fool around" and have fun, no penetration is Ok with me. We can take it slow. She replied, it oK but not at the first meet. So, we set up a meet next day at a coffee shop and I told her it was just meet and greet to get to know, nothing else. She showed up on time, cute girl as the photos indicated. She was very friendly, and we connected well and chatted for about an hour. She says I was the first person she met from the site, and I as the first guy approached her as a gentleman, almost all guys there are "creeps". When I asked why she joined the site, she said it was money, but she needs just spending money for gas, clothes etc. She lives with parents, no car payments etc. She says she doesn't require an allowance, but it would be awesome if I consider that. But, otherwise just help here and there is enough. She said right away she was comfortable with me and if I am interested she is willing to go on dates. We planned to go to a movie next weekend. I didn't give anything other than buying the coffee (just to test her). After she left I texted her thanking for her time. She responded right away for the nice time and looking forward to the movie next weekend.

My questions to veterans here. What are my chances to taking her to FC? I am willing to be patient with her and try few dates before it happens? Or am I just fooling myself and wasting my time? If we go on a "platonic" date, what would be the appropriate gift? Should I take a very "no rush" approach on movie date? I like her personality, so even if doesn't work out I think I will enjoy being with her. I will update in a week if she still keeps her promise on the movie date. My worry is that she will get fed up on SA and give up the whole thing. We have been communicating via text so I have her number in case she drops out of SA.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.