Massage Parlor Reports

Before anyone judges this one way or another please wait till all the facts are out. Not what some video on the news or newspaper article says. I was in that court room yesterday and I wished they would have shown the whole proceedings on the video. I watched a the lie through her teeth about evidence and I have pictures to prove she lied. It took every bit of self control not to stand up and say look at these pictures she's lying. Think about this he was charged with prostitution but of who. What girls were charged with prostitution. All these girls were charged with massage without a license. To show how little research the article and police did look at the address on his mugshot and the address they said the girls apartment was Haha that's the Apex police station. Believe me I know where their apartment is and it's not the police department. The last thing they always throw the human trafficking thing in there but have you ever gotten a massage from someone who you felt was being trafficked I can honestly say that I have not.

[QUOTE=RubaDubdub01;3120708]Massage any more? It seems all the ladies go straight for the gold on the flip nowadays. Is there any AMP that still provides a decent front massage?[/QUOTE]Yes, just ask for good front massage at 003 Asian Remedy. Send me PM for a name if you wish, but several there offer good massage work.

[QUOTE=Holward;3120696]VIP ASIAN SPA Youngsville. Dreamed about _i got a name but rules are rules. 7-9 looks, 28 and muscular legs. $$. 6 left very happy and great massage and table washed too. I will try to get back before she leaves.[/QUOTE]To me the $$. 6 is on high side. The house fee (. 8) is the highest in the area and a nude handshake ( $ ) is also the highest in the area. The main thing here is that you left very happy, but if you try #0050 then you would save at least (. 7).

[QUOTE=ExpectMore;3122348]The abc11 report mentions something about surveillance videos (from over a month) and claiming that men were getting more than a touch! What is the possibility that they release the surveillance videos of the mongers visiting the establishment to the public? Can they do that?[/QUOTE]*Questioned.

*Charged!

*Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

*Evidence.

*Decision to proceed to be tried in a court of law or deported.

The most important word above is "evidence" as I stated in my long winded post before. Without it they got nothing. Now about your question about surveillance video. This would only confirm that the business had customers. Does not prove any crime was committed. But I know what you are really asking holy shit can they show that on TV? My wife and others could see what my real hobby is LOL, If this really scares you or any others out there you may want to take up golf or bowling because you have probably been on video more than you know. Not sure if they would show this to the public because the video would be considered evidence and a defense attorney for him would jump on that like white on rice if they released it to sway public opinion. The first sentence in the ABC 11 report says Apex Police got "A" complaint. Just one complaint? From who? Like Tee98 said lets wait and see.
Oh almost forgot to say, I voted today woohoo

[QUOTE=Seven4535;3116830]Whew that was close.[/QUOTE]Your post raises several important questions. What are the possible ramifications for visiting an AMP when it is being investigated or when its staff is being charged by LEO? How can we protect ourselves? Has anyone on this forum run into legal issues simply for visiting an AMP?

Maybe others with greater knowledge will share advice. I plan to continue to visit AMPs but I certainly hope to minimize the risk. Several AMPs offer nothing further than good massage therapy and seem strictly legit. I do repeat visits at those AMPs if the massage therapy is good. Some AMPs seem to vary what is on offer depending on staff of the day. Such has been the case at Superrelax Chinese Spa, number 0001 on JJ's list. Sometimes 0001 offers a bit more, sometime a bit less, but still worth going if in need of deep tissue work (which I need) and still a far better choice than many of the Massage Envy type chains. Should we worry about any particular legal issues if we frequent AMPs? Call me risk averse.

[QUOTE=Tee98;3122353]Before anyone judges this one way or another please wait till all the facts are out. Not what some video on the news or newspaper article says. I was in that court room yesterday and I wished they would have shown the whole proceedings on the video. I watched a the lie through her teeth about evidence and I have pictures to prove she lied. It took every bit of self control not to stand up and say look at these pictures she's lying. Think about this he was charged with prostitution but of who. What girls were charged with prostitution. All these girls were charged with massage without a license. To show how little research the article and police did look at the address on his mugshot and the address they said the girls apartment was Haha that's the Apex police station. Believe me I know where their apartment is and it's not the police department. The last thing they always throw the human trafficking thing in there but have you ever gotten a massage from someone who you felt was being trafficked I can honestly say that I have not.[/QUOTE]A good and important post. I had trouble following one part, which may have had a couple of words omitted. You will have far more info than others since you actually attended the court room proceedings and I wondered who had lied. I could not quite follow this sentence: "I watched a the lie through her teeth about evidence and I have pictures to prove she lied. " But excellent point about the apartment address being the Apex police station. And also good point about the charges for the girls simply being practicing without a license. I would also concur that I have never felt I received a massage from someone being trafficked. Last time I went to an AMP (yesterday) it was closing time. Boss and all others had gone. Person giving me the massage could easily have left of her own accord if under any duress. I would have given her a lift if needed. And that has always seemed to be the case. I have had dinner offers and other offers from the girls, which underscores freedom of movement and freedom of choice. I am guessing that has been your observation as well. Any thoughts on what we can do to improve the current situation?

1. NC definition of prostitution includes any money exchanged for the release of semen so if you tip for a handshake you just patronize for prostitution in NC.

2. Human trafficking doesn't have to be just chained in the basement. If anyone is moved from one location to another and forced to work then it's human trafficking.

3. I've seen plenty of arrests that list the address of where LE works. People get brought in and released while others are charged and booked, Nothing unusual there and the articles clearly listed where the gentleman lived in Durham and where the girls lived in Apex.

3. Did you see that the main charge against the gentleman? Continuing criminal enterprise is the charge and it's based on being involved in various criminal business activities from other investigations that have pointed back to this man at Touch of Asia.

4. The news only reports what the District Attorney and the Police Chief tells them. Do you think they told the news reporter everything? No they didn't and that's standard procedure with an open investigation till the person is tried in court and ruling given.

5. Yes, I've seen Human Trafficking. In the early 2000's there was a national trafficking bust that involved Los Angles, Chicago, New York and Washington D. C. Girls were promised jobs in the USA to pay off debt at home or just get a new start. Once they arrived their passport was taken and they were forced to work in massage parlors with full menus till they earned X amount of dollars. These girls are afraid that if there families found out what they were doing they would "lose face". Honor is very important in the Asian culture. I met some nice girls and you wouldn't really know it if you saw human trafficking so things are more then meets the eye sometimes. I've commented about my experience with this on another forum in the past.

Sorry about that it was the district attorney who lied. I am very involved in this case and it's very personal to me. I wish I could tell you guys what I know but not on an open forum it would put someone I care alot about at risk. There is so much more that has happened and you guys probably wouldn't believe me. This is just a fraction of information I can give. I wasn't in the court room because I was curious I was there for a reason. I know so many of these girls outside of their work place they are my friends and they are not trafficked some even have there own cars.

[QUOTE=Tee98;3122640]Sorry about that it was the district attorney who lied. I am very involved in this case and it's very personal to me. I wish I could tell you guys what I know but not on an open forum it would put someone I care alot about at risk. There is so much more that has happened and you guys probably wouldn't believe me. This is just a fraction of information I can give. I wasn't in the court room because I was curious I was there for a reason. I know so many of these girls outside of their work place they are my friends and they are not trafficked some even have there own cars.[/QUOTE]You are involved because you know the individuals personally so this is a sensitive topic with you. I understand that and I'm not personally attacking you, the charged man or the girls. I like to be objective and state things how things are whether I agree or disagree with what I see. You might know the parties involved better than most but everyone has secrets. I have secrets that my mother and my SO doesn't know. One being this hobby and do you think I want either to know? No way and there not going to know! How about this website? My SO thinks I spend too much time on Facebook. That's because I want her to believe that when I'm really doing other things. How about going shopping or going to the gym? Well, I go get a massage first and then go get what needs to be done afterwards. SO says, "you must have had a good time shopping or working out". Of course I play along, because its what I want her to believe. A massage is a small thing and a handshake is a small thing but to some ladies you're having an affair or you like the petite Chinese girls better. All I'm saying is there more about people then we all really know or sometimes want to believe especially when we think we know a particular person. When there is large amounts of money involved, as it appears to be in this case, it can change a person. As for the DA or the LE chief well when they get their orders they have to do their job too and present to the judge what evidence they have or think they have. Same as good public defendant and their job is too get their client off even if they know their client might be guilty. Its all up to the jury and how they see the evidence.

It's unfortunate for the girls, because they might be use to things being a certain way in China or Flushing, NY but else where they have to adjust and follow the rules of licensing / certification if they want to avoid possible trouble with the law. I might can drive 9 over the posted speed limit here in NC but if I cross the VA state line I'm going down to 4 over because I'll get ticketed if I don't. Same with these girls and they might have to quit there job and get certified or move to a state that isn't so strict on the certification enforcement.

[QUOTE=Purple45;3122602]\ 5. Yes, I've seen Human Trafficking. In the early 2000's there was a national trafficking bust that involved Los Angles, Chicago, New York and Washington D. C. Girls were promised jobs in the USA to pay off debt at home or just get a new start. Once they arrived their passport was taken and they were forced to work in massage parlors with full menus till they earned X amount of dollars. These girls are afraid that if there families found out what they were doing they would "lose face". Honor is very important in the Asian culture. I met some nice girls and you wouldn't really know it if you saw human trafficking so things are more then meets the eye sometimes. I've commented about my experience with this on another forum in the past.[/QUOTE]A helpful factual analysis of current situation. Especially point 5, which I also read about in the news. The work situation may well be difficult to read. One female was my regular AMP go-to here in this area for more than two years. I saw her license, which I assumed was valid. Her English was good. She discussed opening her own AMP in another city after making enough money. I learned she was married to an American husband and commuted to her job by car. I stayed with her as long as she was employed in this area because she did great deep tissue work. Perhaps not the norm to find this sort of situation, so file for now under minority report.

[QUOTE=Tee98;3122640]Sorry about that it was the district attorney who lied. I am very involved in this case and it's very personal to me. I wish I could tell you guys what I know but not on an open forum it would put someone I care alot about at risk. There is so much more that has happened and you guys probably wouldn't believe me. This is just a fraction of information I can give. I wasn't in the court room because I was curious I was there for a reason. I know so many of these girls outside of their work place they are my friends and they are not trafficked some even have there own cars.[/QUOTE]Very sorry to hear about these difficulties. Sounds as if you are trying to help those who need and deserve help. Wishing you good luck. Hope you get support.

[QUOTE=XHippie;3122438] My wife and others could see what my real hobby is LOL, If this really scares you or any others out there you may want to take up golf or bowling because you have probably been on video more than you know. [/QUOTE]I understand evidence is the king! And you did read my concerns correctly in here.

I would not say that really scares me, but public exposure would be a significant inconvenience I would like to avoid (if there is any path which may lead to it, hence the question). However, what you said also piques my curiosity? If you have a significant partner is she ok with you visiting AMPs, or is this acceptable with the significant partners of other people in this board?

I also understand that there are few other people in this board who may have more to lose than just the fallout of public exposure of showing them visiting AMPs (so yeah, my concern is not a big problem).

Funny about that news report. Uncovered evidence of human trafficking. Even funner how so many accept that as a fact. Even seasoned visitors to the AMPs. This world is so full of BS. I guess these girls who were arrested were freed from this forced bondage and given a safe house to stay in. Oh, wait a minute, it says these ladies were middle aged and rather plain looking. Not really fits the discription of sex slaves. I'm so confused. Oh well.

[QUOTE=BinGoa123;3123117]Funny about that news report. Uncovered evidence of human trafficking. Even funner how so many accept that as a fact. Even seasoned visitors to the AMPs. This world is so full of BS. I guess these girls who were arrested were freed from this forced bondage and given a safe house to stay in. Oh, wait a minute, it says these ladies were middle aged and rather plain looking. Not really fits the discription of sex slaves. I'm so confused. Oh well.[/QUOTE]The sex slave statement by LE or the Media is a good way for them to dramatize their story or the arrest report. The Asian sex slave industry is not on a massive level as they suggest, it's usually some American fucker with a girl in his basement that escapes if she's lucky or some sick dad pimping out his daughter for crack money. This is what I see in the news once in awhile I never read about any Asians doing this. Are there some Asians pimping out some girls? This is a big and free country I'm sure it's happening somewhere. These Chinese / Koreans have an extensive network of communication. So if there is a pattern of let's call them Asian Pimps sweet talking girls back home to catch a plane to the USA but then the promises made are not kept. This type of information gets back to the home land quick. These Asians in this industry have their own social media also it's called QQ & Wechat, I'm sure these girls are told you can go to America and make more in one month than you can make in China in 6 months. Most all of them check it out online or with people they know already here before they leave their homeland to come to a strange country. Do all of them come here And make big cash like promised? Of course not, some can't speak a lick of English and have never done a massage in their life. Back to the communication part, there are Chinese websites that have hundreds of massage jobs all over this country, they use these websites, Wecat, QQ, contact friends or relatives to find work. You don't have to speak English to find and make contact with a store because these websites are in their native language it usually gives all the info they need. A store owner will make the arangements to have a girl picked up and brought to the store if the girl has difficulty doing herself. They can get her a bus ticket and taxi and have her there pronto if it's in another State or pick them up or a taxi if it's local. The slave obligation to a owner is possible but that would mean she would have had to borrow thousands of dollars from the owner while she was in China for a plane ticket etc. Then come to the owners store to work it off. Possible? Yes but none of the owners I know would front that kind of money for a girl back in China that he or she has no idea if she will be a return on the investment or she will stay in the store until the debt is paid or even show up at the store once her little feet hit the ground. There are thousands of girls already here to choose from. Why go through ALL THIS TROUBLE AND RISK for one little skinny girl?
And even if she paid her own ticket and expenses to get here there is no commitment to the owner! Now this is just called basic business risk assessment or as my kindergarten teacher would call it "common sense". So the notion that there are Chinese Pimps lending these girls thousands of dollars to get here then keeping them enslave in a store that they can't leave is a little bazaar. If there are a few girls out there that are in trouble God bless them I hope a customer will see what's happening and help them. But the major point or bigger picture on the subject is LE and the media sometimes can try to take any story and paint it with a wide brush and it's simply not the case. The biggest problems I have seen these girls face that involved an owner is I have known some of these girls to get their ass in a business deal where they fucked up that involved them trying to get their own store. But I have never heard any rumor within my Intel sources about any forced labor or forced sex and neither has my girlfriend and believe me she would know. These girls have a vast network of communication that can get them out of any situation they are in and that's not bull shitting like some of these news stories its a fact.

Why not shit can all this talk about traffickers lurking behind every AMP. Hippie knows his stuff. Why encourage the beast by believing this garbage reported in the news rags. Thanks again, hippie.