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[QUOTE=Leggeddog]I happen to try the Clinton St. place and after an hour felt I was being pressured to spent my hard earned money for nothing. Will NEVER repeat.[/QUOTE]I'm very familiar with Black Lace, but what is the place on Clinton St? Is this Clinton St in Boston or revere?

BTW - a little back story on Black Lace, it is owned and/or run by the wife of a tailor in North Weymouth. He has a little shop where he watches women undress and goes through extra groping when fitting for dresses, etc. She is younger than him, but still older than anything you'd want to see undressing. From what I hear she mainly has Brazilians working there (she is Brazilian herself). But it is a total rip-off. They are both very greedy, scummy people, and extremely paranoid about about being busted, so it is purely a rip-joint, not even truly a jack shack. As a result I have not gone there, and have never heard anything to cause me to regret that decision. But I would curious to know about Clinton St.

[QUOTE=WebDog]I'm very familiar with Black Lace, but what is the place on Clinton St? Is this Clinton St in Boston or revere?

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[url]http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/ers/520025327.html[/url]

There it is

[QUOTE=Rito1][url]http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/ers/520025327.html[/url]
There it is[/QUOTE]
Right, thanks. Clinton St = Select Entertainment. Was not making the connection. Definitely a scam center. One thing about the ol' days -- when everything going on in the stripclub was designed to defraud customers. Now, it is pretty rare to get scammed, and if you do, you likely to be backed up by the bartender or manager. Back then it was all a multi-player conspiracy to separate you from your money with the least amount of effort on their part. Kind of like at Select Entertainment.

[QUOTE=Cldude]I posted a very complimentary & HONEST review about her on here a few months back and then received the following from her via PM...

*quote*
"I do have an issue with being reviewed on an obscure website that happens to have mention of a "street scene". I do not put on airs-what I do simply "is what it is". However, I do not wish to be on every Tom, Dick and Harry escort site-because it attracts every Tom, Dick and Harry "clients" who I have to spend my day declining. I also do not particularly care for your mention of my screening practices. Are rates usually negotiable with escorts? Are screening methods? YES-but once this is put into black and white a girl is suddenly inundated with people who have no intention of paying an appropriate rate or ENGAGING IN SCREENING AT ALL because some guy got online and said "I talked her out of this"."
*end quote*

I post on here intelligence information for all of US, the paying customers. We run in some shady circles and the more information that we have going in, the better off we all are. Everything I posted is 100% accurate. Most (if not all) of us who have been in this "hobby" for some time have been ripped off by a less than honest girl in one way or another. It's unfortunately part of the price of doing business with these folks. I find it ironic that Ally comes back on here after being ripped off herself, and I ask WHY? Sympathy? Free Advertising? Or is it just to stir up trouble? She told me herself when I saw her she had been run out of Atlanta. Just my .02 cents....[/QUOTE]A) I did send this message to you several weeks ago because I was irritated that you had described circumvention of my screening process. I thanked you for your honest review (which you omitted) but was frank in my displeasure at that one comment & that I was listed here on this site. I make no qualms about letting people know that I don't even like reviews-but I tolerate them because I understand their purpose. I am entitled to an opinion regarding where they appear and I have chosen to relegate all reviews regarding my service to TER. An honest review is an honest review-and its all good, but just about everyone agrees that there are some things that shouldn't appear in a review (i.e. additional time benefits if you're nice to a girl, special rates if she wants to encourage *you* to return, screening methods etc.) because they put undue stress on a provider by those who contact her with heightened expectations and I can't tell any of you how many guys were calling me in the days after this review posted, refusing to be screened citing this website. Were my words a little brassy? Maybe-and I apologize if I rubbed you the wrong way. It may appear "b*tchy*-but I do not retract my previous sentiments-I am a provider who walks a very thin line between "upscale" and "accessible"; I offer exceptional service for $150-$300 (and am criticized heavily for having my reputation/body of reviews with such low rates on CL) with rate fluctuation as a benefit to nice men who make things easy on me through the screening and booking process. Because of my competitive rates and no-nonsense practical business approach people assume there is something wrong with me/I'm a skank/or drug-addled etc. I have to maintain my web presence and express myself because I actually care about the service that I run and perception of it. I'm sorry if I offended you-but not sorry at all that I shared with you my opinion on the "I got one over on this one" line regarding my screening process.

That being said:

B) I think its really unfortunate that you felt the need to be petty and post the message that I sent you privately and take a jab at me-as I said to you in PM perhaps you feel its karmic retribution for being "ungrateful" towards you, "the paying customer". I have 0 interest in escort reports, streetwalking reports etc., "advertising" here (lol ya right) or seeking sympathy : I was ripped off. It was demoralizing, humbling and extremely humiliating. I found a series of phone numbers associated with the man who did this to me and I was instructed by girlfriends and two hobbyists to put the word out so that other men and women weren't scammed. I listed my grievance on several sites including the National Blacklist, CL and placed this one here because there is an active exchange & discussion about Craigslist providers. Do you think that I enjoyed saying "Hi, I'm Ally Moore, an experienced professional and I was scammed for a free hour of f/s, multiples, CIM, and lost nearly $2000 in session because I was too scared to host in the days following & cancelled all of my appointments? All because I'm stupid and don't count money out of courtesy to the strangers who visit me?" No-its embarrassing but I did so because I realized that the information I had could be helpful to those who scan CL daily. The irony lies in the fact that I couldn't do more damage to the prick and his scam because *I actually don't keep records* and when I'm done screening the information is tossed/deleted out of protection of my clients and myself.

So excuse me for posting a series of phone numbers to be wary of with an illustration of why and how my rip-off artist was connected to them!

C) I was not "run out of Atlanta" and told you no such thing-I was outed by a stalker as were several other people and the market turned sour. I also had no desire to be TER board sweetheart in Atlanta or have my business ran by the hobby analysts or cliques that are so prevalent there. Out of respect of my family who now know what I do thanks to the stalker, the declining rate structure and the hobbyists who commented on my low rates frequently I *slowed down*/pulled out on providing there by choice. I have a positive reputation in Atlanta, in D.C. & here in Boston because I run a clean business, am professionally courteous and provide what I say I provide. You can ask any hobbyist contact you have an the above cities, search every board for discussion of me and they will all attest to my reputation and word/you will never find anything negative regarding "Ally Moore". Gentlemanly of you to include more private conversation from our meeting though-misconstrued, no less, but I guess everything is fair game for "sharing intelligence".
In my opinion its really fucked up that there is a constant "Us vs. Them" battle between providers and hobbyists-and it colors everyone's behavior.

Apologies if I placed my warning message about faux provider ads/a rip off guy setting people up in the wrong place. I assumed when I posted it that if it were in the wrong category a moderator would move it.

I have 0 place on this website and utterly no interest in it-I know a boys club when I see it, I know my place as a service provider and I hold court elsewhere. I came here once when I began getting calls after being reviewed here and I returned to post a warning. To anyone who can't plainly see that there was no ulterior motive in my sharing my experience-well, you need some meds. I will not return unless I have information on a known scam artist that could affect those that search CL providers or other useful hobby information.

Oh and uh, Cruiser D: I actually began my "career" as a post-grad student, not a streetwalker-the only sensitivity I have regarding being associated with SWs is my bottom line; there are many clients who don't want to see girls with questionable client lists. They see me reviewed by someone with a history of picking up SWs, or TSs and all the sudden I start getting questions and calls from people who book me for 2-8 hours at a time. Who do I prioritize? Someone who pays me $200 for an hour or someone who pays me $400-1200 in a swipe? No matter how misguided they are (considering that most people who indulge in escorts have experienced the gambit of hoing) I have to play to my $$$ audience.
Anyway I learned a great deal about misogyny 101 in school too. I'll keep sucking dick for lunch money and you keep hiding your cowardice & insecurities while enjoying "power" insulting prostitutes who you simultaneously love & hate behind a computer screen, k? I guess everyone needs an outlet for creative/positive expression though :).

Others may have had the same experience, but I received two detailed responses from Ms Ally Moore.

I have to admit, they were the most thoughtful correspondence I have received from a provider, as well as the only responses I have ever received on this board. I have PM'd providers on this board and never received response.

In other cities I have received PM's from alleged providers with no posts to their names and whom by words were transparently pimps not girls.

But in Ally Moore's case, I have every reason to believe it was her, and the notes were lucid, thoughtful, sincere, and convincing. So I would have to temper my post below.

I hereby apologize for using the "W" and "B" words to describe her.

Frankly there are much more important things to worry about (Go Pats...)

I never would have anticipated a positive review I wrote on someone leading to so much bullshit, so this is the last I am going to say on the matter. My review on Ally stands on its own. It is positive and 100% accurate. Ally is obviously an articulate and educated woman and that is a good thing. What frosted my nads, after I posted the review was her response, being critical of my honest review, and her disparaging remarks regarding this forum.

It's sort of like a writer for the New York Times writes a great review of a Broadway show. The next day the producer gets pissed at the reviewer, because the ticket agent has a headache from the phone ringing off the hook, and everyone wanting good seats, then calls the Times a fish rag (not that USASG can compare to the Times, but you get my point). I wrote that review for the customers and the forums benefit NOT Ally's, that's what she doesn't seem to understand. I honestly could care less what she thinks of my review as long as it is honest. If screening (an issue that has been addressed here MANY times) is so important to her she shouldn't have changed her procedures to see me. For all I knew she was always flexible in screening. I bit my tongue after her remarks to me and did not bring them public until she posted on this "tom dick & harry web site" about being ripped off

Now fast forward to Ally's story of getting ripped off. After years of reading the drama on CL I have learned to take any issues, aired online between providers, (ho on ho crime), with a grain of salt. There is a lot of jealousy and competition, and it can get ugly. The way I understand what happened to Ally is another pimp decided to check out the competition (and perhaps recruit?). Being a pimp he certainly was not going to part with his "hard earned" cash, so he stuffed ones in the envelope (at least he didn't use counterfeit!). Ally comes on the board "warning" about his providers? We have NO evidence to show that these providers are anything but hard working girls who happen to work for a dirt bag. If the providers we're indeed rip-offs (and a very brief search found nothing other than what I assume are Ally's postings) we most likely would have heard such by now. I did find numerous threats of violence (again I assume from Ally, note her post on here wanting the "scammer's knees broken"), which I do not support in any way, shape, or form, and this also reflects very badly on Ally.

Ally, you were ripped off, and I am very sorry about that. We all have been before. Suck it up, learn from it, and move on. At least you can make your money back with your next client. When a client gets ripped off of his weekly "entertainment budget" we're screwed (figuratively & not literally) until the following week.

Happy Holidays
Merry Christmas
Happy New Year
GO PATS!
Hallelujah

It's hard not to respect this Ally Moore character. Clearly she's on another level in terms of her thoughtfulness and intelligence. With that said, until this thing is legalized people like Miss Moore will never truly thrive in this business. Sadly, this is a business of exploitation. Rarely does anyone, buyer or seller, get what they wanted for their money or time.

With that said, Ally, you are too smart for this game. You need to move to Vegas or formally get into this business full-time on the side of management. In short, you're too smart for the game. I want a provider that is young, happy to get her loot, simple and sweet. I don't want her to have the mental capacity to be able to get me in trouble or to be able to post MY information on national websites. That's not good for business. While I have to respect you for your intellect, remember that we're all fairly risk averse. Sure, you wanted to get back at the pimp, but from where we sit it just looks like drama with your name written all over it.

Now that you've explained it all, sure it makes sense...but that's a part of the business. You used to not count the money, now you will and thus, your business have evolved. I don't need to understand that evolution. I just need to know that you are good at what you do, reliable and not shady. OK, now I'm rambling...but I hope you get my constructive point.

CLdude in particular is right on with all points, and unfairly got caught in the middle a bit here. And his best point is that too much time has been spent already on this.

The only thing I take exception to is the indirect (albeit qualified) comparison to the New York Times -- it is an insult to everyone here to compare this site to that supposititious fish wrap!!

Greetings hobbyists!

I posted in General under Massachusetts, but realized maybe not everybody reads that.

I've enjoyed reading the very helpful posts for a while now, and I look forward to contributing.

I love massages, and have had them from here to California.- and that's if you head EAST! (OK, and in almost every state I have visited, too.) First experience anyplace was Mandala in the early 80s. I used to love all the fine places in Cambridge: the Royal, the Ultimate, even the Olde English! The Danish was phenomenal back in the day. Some very sweet women and hot times.

The Asian places in Prov are fine, but I think we are seeing good value in the local Asian places. I have fallen in love many times there.

Good hunting to all, and a happy and SAFE New Year!

Mr Boston

[QUOTE=Tim S]What is the deal with those lingere places like Black Lace? From what I heard in the past basically it is a huge waste of money. What can you get there?[/QUOTE].5 undress
$ Do it yourself
1.5 they help you

Where is the black lace? Is it in North Weymouth?

[QUOTE=Lonedrag]Where is the black lace? Is it in North Weymouth?[/QUOTE]
Revere --

Black Lace Lingerie & Riviera
318 Squire Rd, Revere, MA 02151

[QUOTE=WebDog]Revere --

Black Lace Lingerie & Riviera
318 Squire Rd, Revere, MA 02151[/QUOTE]

and Lawrence, by the Moonlite Reader

[QUOTE=Boartbuttlover].5 undress
$ Do it yourself
1.5 they help you[/QUOTE]

they help you? I have NEVER heard of this!

[QUOTE=Boston Monger]they help you? I have NEVER heard of this![/QUOTE]
When I went there (2 yrs +) they did'nt help me & it was $$