Chinese Massage at Lucky Footsie
This is in a commercial building in the bustling center of Chinatown. There is an open door on the street with Lucky Footsie, Foot Relexology attractively painted on the front. An inner door on the first floor has two buttons. The bottom one seems to be dead. Press the top one and you will be buzzed in. The second floor has a door with chinese writing and another buzzer. I didn't try this but continued up to the third floor which was open, with reflexology charts, a large fishtank, and 2 attractive ladies sitting on a couch. The card I got later said 7 days a week 11AM to 1AM but I was about 20 minutes before the listed opening time.
The taller lady, Li Li, pronounced lily, asked if I wanted a massage. I said, "yes," and she led me to a small room with a flat, low, wide massage table with an opening for the face; and a folding accordion "door." She was about my height, 5 foot 7, with a pretty, almost caucasian face. A long black skirt and bebe top were filled out quite nicely. Not a hardbody, but one nice to squeeze. She spoke English very well.
She asked if I wanted a shower. I said yes. She left me to undress while she chatted with the cleaning lady. She left the door wide open, but nobody else was there so I didn't mind. I poked my head out the door and she brought me a towel. As is apparently the norm in chinese places there is no table shower but you shower yourself in a communal room. Here there were 2 wall showers, a bathroom with accordion door and a sink for washing hands.
Back in the room she had me lie down on my stomach. She closed the door but one giggling girl passing by had a short conversation with Li Li through the door. The other girls seemed to shift naturally from chinese to english even among themselves. She did my shoulders and back really hard. Then she climbed on top and used her knees and shins to massage my back and butt. It felt really good. My arms and legs were then done really hard. She even cracked some of the joints. She left briefly, returning with hot towels to rub my back vigorously.
Next she switched to sensuously rubbing my buttcheeks and crack with her hands. "Turn over." She lightly stroked my front. As her talented hands lightly fluttered over my growing organ, "you like?" Upon my emphatic affirmative she progressed into an enthusiastic HJ. She let me know I could touch her tits and undid her bra so I could access them under her shirt. Somehow my mouth got under there too, but she didn't object. HJ went to HR after which she cleaned me up nicely with a hot towel. We also got into some kissing on the cheeks and hugging. Did I want another shower? Yes. It was a happy double nickle that Li Li saw to the door. I'd like her again.
Pay what you want, and security protocol
Oops, I forgot price information in my posting. In this case money was not even mentioned until the end after my second shower and after my clothes were all back on. And I brought it up. Li Li gave me a card with her name and the new phone number on it. While I was putting it in my wallet I asked her "how much should I pay?" The mamasan apparently gets a flat $40. I think the girl usually gets another $40, but it appears to be negotiable. This fits in with the $80 damage listed in a previous USASexGuide posting. I didn't have much change so I just presented her with a hundred dollar bill and she seemed quite happy. Did I avoid paying money upfront by inadvertently arriving before the mamasan? Probably. Could I have gotten a free massage and HR? Possibly. I know this place does have a mamasan because I saw her on the way out.
After the big raids the night of 17 August many of us posters are being a bit careful divulging information. Probably some have dropped out, desiring to give LE no ammunition against either us personally or our many provider friends. Although the parlors raided were all Korean, a uniform policy is perhaps best. I've been following the protocol of others at USASG before me in not posting exact address or phone number.
I arrived in Chinatown with two massage parlor addresses gleaned by research in past USASG postings. One was Lucky Footsie. The other was "GS," possibly Gold Spa. In New York City I picked up a free Village Voice. It did not list these 2 but listed 3 others in Chinatown. I also checked Craigslist online and found 2 massage parlors in Chinatown with exact address given. Others just had phone numbers listed. One could also check Screw, Yahoo Yellow Pages online, print yellow pages, New York 3000: Insider's Guide to Sex in New York City, New York Express, and many more sources. $40 an hour appears to be the minimum advertised. Some of these places may not offer HR. Per reports in many, perhaps all massage parlors, HR is all you will get.
Chinese Bodywork at the Lower East Side
After going to Lucky Footsie and not even getting a massage by a woman, I thought about my options. I hadn't brought a lot of money with me and some of that was gone. So I might not even have enough for an expensive place. I decided to try some other Chinese place. Some of the local free papers have massage ads. I picked one with a picture of an attractive woman in it that was near Chinatown.
When I got to the address listed in the ad I had a little trouble finding the entrance. It was in the basement. A sign outside said bodywork in red letters. But red lettering is very common in Chinatown and it's environs, so it didn't stand out. If I hadn't seen the ad in the paper I wouldn't have been relatively sure it was the kind of place I was looking for.
I opened the unlocked front door, which jangled a bell. A Chinese girl jumped up from under a blanket on a couch (it was well airconditioned). She looked like a college student with a shag haircut, eyeglasses, jeans, and a light sweater. She was pleasant and had a good figure. I hoped that I would get the massage from her and I did. When I asked she told me her name was Lassie. I asked for the hour massage although I later extended it by ten minutes.
Although the ad said "hot shower," I wasn't offered one. I was led to a small room with just a curtain for a door. Lassie dimmed the lights way down. I got naked and when she came back she said to lie facedown. She covered me with a towel and kneaded me under it, perhaps to clean off my sweat from walking. Then the towel came down till it just covered my legs. She gave an amazing massage. She hit all my pressure points. She could even open and close my hands just by pressing in the right spots. She uncovered one leg and then the other, working on them. Eventually she told me to turn over, though it did not seem like a long time the massage was so good.
After I got faceup she covered me entirely with the towel and kneaded me a bit through it. Then she uncovered me to the groin. She had an incredibly sensuous touch, stroking my torso and abdominal area. As she very lightly stroked my penis, "you like." "Yes." So then she went into a great HJ. After HR she put a finger to her lips, "shush." This was to be our little secret. She continued the massage, even doing my larger head, then left me to get dressed. She stayed fully dressed throughout. Her body felt great through her clothes though, when she frequently leaned over me to work me over.
I come out to the front room where she offers me a drink of water. She tells me it is $60. That was for a great massage with HR by a young, attractive masseuse for a full hour and ten minutes. I give her a Franklin and she turns to get change. I tell her to keep the change "Thank you."
A 20 minute massage here is only $20. Does that come with HR? I might try it sometime and see.
Wall Street Bath & Spa 88
I need info on Wall Street Bath & Spa 88 at fulton st. Is there action there? I might have 0 post in the usa forum but I'm a friend monger as well. Thanks
Chinese MPs versus Korean MPs
Chinese Massage Parlors and Korean Massage Parlors are both classified as Asian Massage Parlors, but they are as different as night and day. You will always get a great massage at a Chinese MP, usually at a Korean MP, but that is about where the similarity ends.
I've been at Korean MPs where no table shower was given, or no massage (though both were on the menu). The girls will often be ready from the start to do everything. The full package at the 20 or so different Korean Massage Parlors I've tried in 3 states runs $140 to $200. (Half of these were in Waterbury, Connecticut). The most distinctive trait of the Korean Massage Parlor is probably the table shower (which feels great, thoroughly disinfects you, and lets the girl examine you for outward signs of STDs etc.). The sign outside may say sauna, accupressure, massage, or just the name of the establishment. Although a Korean MP will have Korean ownership, management, and girls (with a few exceptions) the name might be Chinese (like "Hong Kong"), Japanese (like "Tokyo"), or general "Asian," or "Oriental."
A fellow member has written that at a tuina place [a Chinese Massage Parlor] you never know what you're going to get. This isn't quite true. You can always expect a legitimate establishment giving a great massage. At the most upscale places you will find posh quarters, high prices, and all you will take off may be your shoes. I suspect this is adaptation to prudish western traditions. The literature of one place even states that "proper draping" in accordance with "Christian" values is practiced. In fact there are respectable Christian nudists, swingers, and non celibate singles. And the USA does not have a state religion anyway.
At both the upscale and "normal" Chinese massage parlors the sign may say Tui na (or variants Tuina, Tui-Na, Tyi Na) or Qi Gong (variants Quigong, Chi Kung). A regular place might offer the prosaic "Chinese Back Rub." A shower is usually not included though you might find a regular shower. Curtains or flimsy folding doors will offer a modicum of privacy. I believe it is customary to get fully undressed and that nudity is not a big deal (though I could use more experience). You start out lying face down. A pole or parallel poles might be attached to the ceiling so the girl may walk on your back. A hard massage seems to be the norm, whether very firm stroking or grasping, or vigorously pushing pressure points. Less time is spent on the front and it may or may not include HJ. Don't expect FS. The masseuse will usually remain fully dressed in unrevealing clothes. She might do the massage through a towel or only uncover what bodypart she is currently working on.
At one place the girl asked for $80 upfront "for just a massage." Other places I've paid at the end. I've seen ads for $7 for 10 minutes. The price for an hour usually seems to run $40 to $60. I don't think there is a standard tip expectation. Some places don't seem to expect a tip, others definitely do. If you give a tip equal to the house fee you probably won't be undertipping. More input/research is neded here.
The current free New York Press (there is a print or an online version) has 4 ads for places in the immediate vicinity of Chinatown. One is the place I tried on the Lower East End. Craigslist (CL) online lists 2 places actually in Chinatown. One emphasizes massage by a male masseur, but I believe they have a female one as well. There are probably dozens of additional places in or in the immediate vicinity of Chinatown.
lucky again at Lucky Footsie
I thought I'd give Lucky Footsie a try again, making sure they didn't think I wanted Foot Reflexology - the only service listed on their card. I arrived yesterday (Wednesday) morning about twenty to eleven - 20 minutes before their card said they opened. A young Chinese girl came in the unlocked front door just behind me. I explained that I wanted to see Li Li. She let me in the inner door with her. She had a key to let herself in but still pushed the lower buzzer. She was wearing black tights and a miniskirt. Following her up the stairs I could see she had a very nice ass and nice legs.
On the third floor the door was open. She said something to an older lady inside, possibly a cleaning lady. 2 other masseuses were already in the sitting area by the goldfish tank. The attractive 40ish lady I had seen on Sunday was there. She asked me if I wanted to go with Michelle, apparently the girl I followed in, but I asked for Li Li. They had me sit there to wait. A very attractive black masseuse was sitting in one of the other chairs. Li Li appeared almost immediately.
Li Li looked a little disheveled and the long black dress she had on today made her look a little plump around the hips and abdomen. But it was her. She had a black bebe top on instead of the fuschia one I saw on the earlier visit. She gave me a great smile and had me climb the interior stairway to the 4th floor, lightly patting my ass.
In the furthest but one massage room on the 4th floor I stripped naked. She asked if I wanted a shower. When I said yes she gave me a towel and clogs to wear to the shower/bathroom just across the hall. The rooms have double rails on the ceiling for back walking. They each also have a sheet of paper, "due to circumstances, the door to the massage room must be left ajar." Lying facedown she gave me a repeat of her excellent massage, including a nice rubdown with a hot wet towel. and the sexy stroking of my butt at the end. "Turn over."
On the flip side she didn't bother to ask if I liked it. She already knew. She immediately started into another great HJ. But this time she not only lifted her black bra so I could suck on her tits and brown nipples, but she also lowered her red panties so I could feel up her lower side. Her belly was soft but all her curves looked nice - and felt great. She sucked and chewed on my nipples and love handles, played with my balls, kissed me on the face. Even DFK. Afterwards, after cleaning me up with a tissue and hot towel I got a nice scalp and temple massage. At the end she followed me into the shower and washed my back. All this was before any money had been paid or even any price agreed on. She had a cup of water waiting in the room for me. I had to tell her to cool it with the kissing after I got dressed because
I was getting hard and didn't want to go out on the street with the front of my pants looking like a tent. She groped my trousers to check it out. Call me a ****, but I love it when the girls do that. No FS but a GFE.
The house fee for a massage here is $40. The girl expects something too. Probably another $40 even if no HJ, roaming, DFK, GFE, dining - none of that. Last time I gave her $20 over the standard 4 jacksons. Maybe I would have gotten the same upgraded service without it on the second visit. This time I tipped her 2 jacksons above the standard 4. I can't think how any further upgrades are possible without getting into FS, which is apparently verbotten (forbidden) here. You can get HJ at other nearby places for half the price, but I don't know how many side dishes that includes. -DN
Japanese Massage at Rainbow Spa
I couldn't resist trying my first Japanese Massage Parlor. I've been to Chinese, Korean, Thai, Russian, and places specializing in Swedish. Are there any others I've missed?
Hominem mentioned the Rainbow Spa, without going into much detail. I looked it up on the internet and found it had it's own website. It also advertises in the New York Press. It is perhaps the best spa website I've seen, full of information and color photographs of the facilities. It lists pool and saunas and private locker rooms.
It could not be in a better location, literally a stone's throw from the Port Authority Bus Terminal. It is on the seedy side of the terminal, but who could expect them to pay the rent to be next to Lion King or Madame Tussaud's. I found it a little before 10AM, but found it locked. It apparently opens at 10. After wandering around midtown a bit, I returned about 10:40AM. A Japanese girl was coming down the sidewalk and she followed me in. I couldn't tell if she was a masseuse. She looked like the Japanese girl next door in modest white denim shorts and plain top. We said "hi," I found the second floor door to the spa (there's a different name on the door), and she followed me in there as well. Ah, she is a masseuse.
She had me go in a massage room directly across and about 3 feet from the entrance. She thought I had called. I hadn't - I got the address off the website. When the mamasan found out she moved me to a room a few down. The mamasan was tall, older but still attractive, wearing red.
Going in the front door there are entrances to massage rooms to the right and to the left, perhaps 10 in all. To the far right was a counter, probably for taking credit cards, and some dividers I couldn't see behind. Perhaps that is where the advertised foot reflexology and chair massage took place. To the left was a refrigerator and water cooler against the outside wall, and a classy flower photograph. All the way to the left was a table shower room. I saw no evidence of pool, saunas, or locker rooms. Also, the website photos do not match the actual place. This is undoubtedly because, as Hominem stated, the location was moved from further uptown. Probably those extras were dispensed with in the new location. The place did seem new - clean, fresh, and well set up.
Ray (the first girl I saw) asked for $70. I said I wanted a table shower too and she said that was included. She left me to get naked. The room had a massage table, hooks for clothes, a clock, a stool, and a single rail above for back walking. The walls of the room did not go all the way up to the ceiling. There was no door. Thick green curtains barely came together in the middle of the entryway. There was a fair gap at the top and the bottom. A really tall guy would probably be able to see everything. I got naked and noticed there was no towel to put on. Fine by me. I always put it on at the last minute. I don't want the girls to think I follow the school of modest draping.
Ray came back with a thin robe which I put on. Then she told me there was a wait for the table shower, so we chatted. She speaks English and Japanese. The website says that the licensed masseuses are trained in Japan, but she said some were, some were trained in Korea. Ray was short, but otherwise medium - weight, looks, age, color. She was cute, but not cute as a button. Just medium cute. She was pleasant and comfortable to be with.
The table shower room was very nice. There was a step down to the right third where there was a washer and dryer and a glass door to outside covered by a see through curtain. It only opened into a central air shaft. A neighbor might get a glimpse, but I don't think the shower table was visible. The headrest was not the usual cushion, but what looked like a block of wood. Upon examination, it was made of flexible strips, so it was actually quite comfortable.
Ray scrubbed my backside with a fairly stiff brush. She had a good technique with long smooth strokes. "Turn over." She did a good job on my front too, being very thorough with my cock and balls. She had me stand up and sprayed me down. She asked me if I wanted my face hosed down with water too. I said I did, closed my eyes, and she did. After towelling me off she held up the robe for me to get into and we returned to the room.
Lying facedown she started with a mix of Shiatsu and deep tissue massage. Shiatsu is a Japanese word referring to pressing down with finger(s) and/or thumb(s). She hit all the right places at the base of the neck, gave nice long strokes with the palms of both hands to torso and limbs. She moved my arms and legs around and concentrated on feet and hands. Then came the part where she lightly walked her fingers over my body, especially the cleft between my buttcheeks. God, she has the touch - just right. "Turn over."
She started the front with the same ultrasexy strokes she had just used on my reverse. The feathertouch on my penis was just right. She seemed to hesitate for a second. I nodded, and she started in on a HJ. Nice long HJ with attention to nipples and nutsacks. After cleaning me off with a hot wet towel she continued my front. A nice scalp and temple massage. A great massage of the front of my legs which I'm not used to getting.
There had been no negotiation for extra service or hint for a tip at the end. I could probably have just walked out without paying any more, but I gave her a tip of about what I'd expect to pay at a Korean place. Koreans let you know how much. Chinese and Japanese are coy. Any brother mongers have suggested tipping scales for Chinese and Japanese? She indicated she'd like to see me again. I wouldn't mind seeing her again either.
Dar, coming to NYC / Manhatten
Hi guys,
I'm a west coaster white guy with lot's of travel and experience in China, including speaking enough Chinese to seek and bargain for good deals at Saunas, MPs, and BBSs.
I'm making my 1st visit to NYC / Manhatten area, and reading the forums here it looks like most AMPs are HJ-only, with a few being CBJ. I'm more of a BBBJ & FS guy, and expecting to pay under $$.
Do you guys recommend I try my luck in Chinatown, or where? I'm not at all familiar with NYC / Manhatten and don't know where I should try my luck, but would like to find a place with some concentration of chinese girls (AMPs, or local bars/clubs!) to see what I can get (free or otherwise).
If some of you want to PM or post some locations or places for me to check out when I'm town, let me know. Is Chinatown the place to go for me to try my luck?
I'll post results (good or bad) to help you guys know how things go, but I need recommendations on where to try.
Dar.
PS - I'm a Regulsr Member here, but Sr Member on ISG/China forums.
