2005 Archived Streetwalker Reports

[quote=wastrel]the privacy issue i was thinking about, though, wasn't the retired vice cop choosing to share his wisdom and experience with the public, it was getting someone to provide medical lab results and health status information to him in the first place so that he would have that knowlege. that's very peculiar. they won't be sending the lab results to him (the officer) when they are processed, regardless of where and when they are being tested, and he has no idea what's in the medical records of people he has arrested. it's not his job, and he's not entitled to find out. public health officials are not routinely giving him results of medical tests, not for tuberculosis, not for hiv, not for hepatitis, not for the clap, not for influenza, not for any illness. so yes, i think there is more than a pinch of hyperbole and imagination involved, though i don't have any reason to doubt that he might be sincere in his beliefs.[/quote]

you're wrong buddy. when someone is arrested for prostitution, some of their rights are limited. you are therefore required under state law to be tested for hiv. this is done because you "may" be placing people in harms way, based on your hiv status. i do not know how le is informed or not informed about a specific individual whom has tested positive for hiv. i do know that is you are arrested for prostitution, test positive for hiv and then are caught again, there are serious charges that will be levied. in some states you can do 20 years for this offense! whether or not a vise cop is privileged to the status of a specific sw is something i do not know. but as you all know, they are required to be tested upon being arrested, right at the police station's medical office by a nurse. it would not take a rocket scientist to figure out, everyone at that precinct is going to know who tested positive and who did not. think about it.

and on a side note, with prophylaxis treatment now available for exposure to hiv, in some states, if you were known to be exposed, you can often "declare" yourself a sexual partner and have access to their status. assuming it has been recorded at the city, county health department, that information, under certain circumstances can be made available to you. in cases of **** sex, rape, even casual sex. if the county health department heads have reasonable evidence to believe you engaged in sex with a specific individual, they can access their information (assuming there is any) and disclose to you whether or not it might be in your best interest to start prophylaxis treatment within the 72 hour time period

[quote=gettingtang]you're wrong buddy. when someone is arrested for prostitution, some of their rights are limited. you are therefore required under state law to be tested for hiv. this is done because you "may" be placing people in harms way, based on your hiv status. i do not know how le is informed or not informed about a specific individual whom has tested positive for hiv. i do know that is you are arrested for prostitution, test positive for hiv and then are caught again, there are serious charges that will be levied. in some states you can do 20 years for this offense! whether or not a vise cop is privileged to the status of a specific sw is something i do not know. but as you all know, they are required to be tested upon being arrested, right at the police station's medical office by a nurse. it would not take a rocket scientist to figure out, everyone at that precinct is going to know who tested positive and who did not. think about it.

and on a side note, with prophylaxis treatment now available for exposure to hiv, in some states, if you were known to be exposed, you can often "declare" yourself a sexual partner and have access to their status. assuming it has been recorded at the city, county health department, that information, under certain circumstances can be made available to you. in cases of **** sex, rape, even casual sex. if the county health department heads have reasonable evidence to believe you engaged in sex with a specific individual, they can access their information (assuming there is any) and disclose to you whether or not it might be in your best interest to start prophylaxis treatment within the 72 hour time period[/quote]


tang...buddy...you're missing the point. what he was pointing out was that your 'vice cop buddy' is casually ignoring some fairly significant privacy laws. or he's just spewing generalizations that may or may not be actually based on fact. ok, we understand you don't care for the downtown scene. fine. those of us who've invested some time down there know there is great variety to be found there, some nasty, some decent, some hotties. smart mongers always play safely to mitigate potential bugs. we don't really give a rats ass about some vice cops opinion. we do value first hand knowledge.

[QUOTE=GettingTang]...they are required to be tested upon being arrested, right at the police station's medical office by a nurse. It would not take a rocket scientist to figure out, everyone at that precinct is going to know who tested positive and who did not.[/QUOTE]No, they are not going to know that, and where a saliva swab or blood sample is drawn is irrelevant. The sample will be sealed and shipped away to a lab. The flunky with a two year community college nursing certificate taking a fluid sample has no idea what is in it, not for HIV or for much more common but less emotionally laden serious conditions such as hepatitis and tuberculosis. And if you are "tested at" a county health office the individual drawing the sample does not know what those results turn out to be either, and neither would someone in your own doctor's office. It isn't a roadside or jailhouse test for this or any viral infection. You really do have to be a scientist. Results will be processed by a federally certified private medical lab a week or two later, and they aren't sending them to your friend the "retired vise [sic] cop" or his friends "at the precinct" and they wouldn't understand them if they got them. And oh by the way, "police stations" in Las Vegas don't have medical offices at all. The detention center (jail) does have some nursing assistants for those who are incarcerated; otherwise detainees are transported to University Medical Center if they are seriously ill or injured. Your "vise cop" [sic] friend would not be hanging out in either place. I will defer to you and others on the lawyering aspects. I will assume your analysis of the criminal code is correct, since I have no particular reason to think otherwise.

Sorry to be contentious about it, Mr. Don't Need to be a Rocket Scientist, but you made some thoroughly over the top emotionally driven assertions about a community in an area you and your friend quite clearly don't know very well, and got pretty carried away in your or your friend's disdain for it and thousands of people living and working in it. "Everyone at the precinct" may "know" many things which are not true. "The precinct" would not be part of the medical or subsequent legal process at all. If prostitutes arrested downtown "ALL" had HIV that would be much larger than the total of all AIDS cases, male and female, which have ever existed in the state of Nevada (2,946, 83% male, 17% female). The highest estimated incidence of AIDS among U.S. prostitutes I have ever found was 12% (mostly male), and most put it much lower, ranging down to 0.7% at the low end. Though still a serious concern, no doubt, I and other folks here are trying to be polite about it, but some of the statements made earlier are quite absurd on their face. There is no population of people of whom "almost all...are HIV..." not even among prison inmates or people in drug rehab, and if such a population was to exist, downtown would sure not be the most likely candidate, and your ire would be better directed toward some other, much more problematic geographic areas around town these days that I and other people here could tell you about, if you really want to focus your outrage someplace. Personally, I'm more worried about how trendy and popular downtown is becoming, and how little LE attention some of the truly troubled areas of the town get from their city and county, since there aren't such large commercial investments at stake in the places that actually do come closer to what you want to picture.

It really might be best if we just agree to disagree. You don't like downtown Las Vegas, and don't care to go there. Noted. Others do. So be it. By comparison to downtown you'd really be disgusted at some other places in the city where some other friends live and work, but try not to hyperventilate if others think differently, as you have when calling people "crazy" several times in various forum sections. Maybe you know better, but just maybe you don't. Maybe we're crazy, and it's just better not to disturb us any further.

I gather from perusing some of your other posts in other sections of the forum from AK to LA that you are disgusted with the whole idea of SWs altogether. I have some ambivalence about it myself, and you won't find me always reflexively snarling and whining about police for policing or about members of the public who seek to control such activities on their doorstep, but if you wish to continue a crusade about it, it might be better to do so on another discussion thread, since it is apparent that the "vise" [sic] man's perceptions and emotions you shared with us really are pretty disconnected from contemporary conditions in a particular area of this city.

Sincere regards,

Wastrel

[QUOTE=Desert Dude]Tang...buddy...you're missing the point. What he was pointing out was that your 'vice cop buddy' is casually ignoring some fairly significant privacy laws. Or he's just spewing generalizations that may or may not be actually based on fact. Ok, we understand you don't care for the downtown scene. Fine. Those of us who've invested some time down there know there is great variety to be found there, some nasty, some decent, some hotties. Smart mongers always play safely to mitigate potential bugs. We don't really give a rats ass about some vice cops opinion. We do value first hand knowledge.[/QUOTE]

Privacy laws do not work like that, if they did every health official spewing general statistics would be in violation of someone's privacy. If an officer named a specific individual and declared their status, then MAYBE!

YOU PEOPLE NEED TO REMEMBER THIS..... IF YOU HAVE HIV AND YOU KNOW IT AND YOU HAVE SEX WITH SOMEONE AND DO NOT TELL THEM, YOU HAVE BROKEN THE LAW AND WILL THEREFORE BE CHARGED WITH A CRIME AT WHICH POINT, YOUR "PRIVACY" NO LONGER EXSISTS, IT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION NOW. YOU ARE NO LONGER PRIVILEDGED TO YOUR PRIVATE MEDICAL INFORMATION REGARDING YOUR HIV STATUS, AS THIS VIRUS WOULD HAVE BEEN USED TO COMIT A CRIME! COMPRENDO? YOU READ ABOUT CASES LIKE THIS ALL TE TIME IN THE PAPERS.

Tang, You are wrong again buddy. There are no nurses at the police station. When a SW is convicted of a prostitution charge, the judge will then order HIV testing. She has thirty days to comply or she is in violation of her probation once she gets out of jail. Jail does have medical staff, and HIV testing is offered and encouraged at that time for anyone arrested of a prostitution offense. Johns who go to court are also ordered into HIV testing.

I know several prostitutes in Seattle who are HIV+ and continue to work the streets. There is a law against "deliberately" infecting someone with HIV, whatever that means? The SW's I know say that as long as they attempt to get the customer to use protection and carry condoms on their person, they are cirumventing the law and the police have nothing to bust them on, even if they are caught soliciting again. I don't even think they are required to inform of their HIV status. I think the courts basically agree that if someone is dumb enough to have bareback sex with a drug-addicted hooker or take it up the ass from someone they met in a gay bar, that they know the risk and are willing to take it.

I know that individual officers don't know who is postive or not. I believe the court ordering the test gets the result however. But in all my years of reading the paper daily, looking over court reports, checking the jail register, etc., I've never seen anyone arrested for or charged with this crime except for a man in Olympia who gave the virus to seventeen women partners and it was proved he did so deliberately.

Oh, and by the way, vise is spelled vice. And quit yelling. Your conversion certainly hasn't helped your anger problem. Civ2000

[QUOTE=Wastrel]No, they are not going to know that, and where a saliva swab or blood sample is drawn is irrelevant. The sample will be sealed and shipped away to a lab. The flunky with a two year community college nursing certificate taking a fluid sample has no idea what is in it, not for HIV or for much more common but less emotionally laden serious conditions such as hepatitis and tuberculosis. And if you are "tested at" a county health office the individual drawing the sample does not know what those results turn out to be either, and neither would someone in your own doctor's office. It isn't a roadside or jailhouse test for this or any viral infection. You really do have to be a scientist. Results will be processed by a federally certified private medical lab a week or two later, and they aren't sending them to your friend the "retired vise [sic] cop" or his friends "at the precinct" and they wouldn't understand them if they got them. And oh by the way, "police stations" in Las Vegas don't have medical offices at all. The detention center (jail) does have some nursing assistants for those who are incarcerated; otherwise detainees are transported to University Medical Center if they are seriously ill or injured. Your "vise cop" [sic] friend would not be hanging out in either place. I will defer to you and others on the lawyering aspects. I will assume your analysis of the criminal code is correct, since I have no particular reason to think otherwise.

Sorry to be contentious about it, Mr. Don't Need to be a Rocket Scientist, but you made some thoroughly over the top emotionally driven assertions about a community in an area you and your friend quite clearly don't know very well, and got pretty carried away in your or your friend's disdain for it and thousands of people living and working in it. "Everyone at the precinct" may "know" many things which are not true. "The precinct" would not be part of the medical or subsequent legal process at all. If prostitutes arrested downtown "ALL" had HIV that would be much larger than the total of all AIDS cases, male and female, which have ever existed in the state of Nevada (2,946, 83% male, 17% female). The highest estimated incidence of AIDS among U.S. prostitutes I have ever found was 12% (mostly male), and most put it much lower, ranging down to 0.7% at the low end. Though still a serious concern, no doubt, I and other folks here are trying to be polite about it, but some of the statements made earlier are quite absurd on their face. There is no population of people of whom "almost all...are HIV..." not even among prison inmates or people in drug rehab, and if such a population was to exist, downtown would sure not be the most likely candidate, and your ire would be better directed toward some other, much more problematic geographic areas around town these days that I and other people here could tell you about, if you really want to focus your outrage someplace. Personally, I'm more worried about how trendy and popular downtown is becoming, and how little LE attention some of the truly troubled areas of the town get from their city and county, since there aren't such large commercial investments at stake in the places that actually do come closer to what you want to picture.

It really might be best if we just agree to disagree. You don't like downtown Las Vegas, and don't care to go there. Noted. Others do. So be it. By comparison to downtown you'd really be disgusted at some other places in the city where some other friends live and work, but try not to hyperventilate if others think differently, as you have when calling people "crazy" several times in various forum sections. Maybe you know better, but just maybe you don't. Maybe we're crazy, and it's just better not to disturb us any further.

I gather from perusing some of your other posts in other sections of the forum from AK to LA that you are disgusted with the whole idea of SWs altogether. I have some ambivalence about it myself, and you won't find me always reflexively snarling and whining about police for policing or about members of the public who seek to control such activities on their doorstep, but if you wish to continue a crusade about it, it might be better to do so on another discussion thread, since it is apparent that the "vise" [sic] man's perceptions and emotions you shared with us really are pretty disconnected from contemporary conditions in a particular area of this city.

Sincere regards,

Wastrel[/QUOTE]

Quoting general stats, based on large perimeters is a recipe for disaster. There are well known, established HIV "hot zones" in ever rural area in America. You can take those state wide stats and throw them to the wind. Also, only about 40% of those infected with HIV in the US, know they have it. So first off, take all your stats and at least double them to start!

Here is some numbers for you to crunch and better understand my perspective on this topic.

In Washington State in a specific area of Tacoma where all the IV drug users and hookers hang, there is an extremely high prevalence of HIV infection. In the State of Washington itself, there are (2005 figures) 10,177 (known) HIV positive people, of those only 1000 are female. However, in the specific quoted drug infested area there were known to be at least 220 female IV drug user and or prostitutes infected with HIV within a small area. Would you therefore, take the entire states statistics and asses you risk on picking up a hooker in that area? You would be a fool. If you drove through that area and picked up a SW, there would probably be a better then 50% you're doing someone with HIV. You can throw the 12% stat out the window.

My point to all this is not to badger anyone. Please, go have a good time, enjoy. Sex is natural, sex is good, not everybody does it, but everybody should. Right?

All I'm trying to say, is it's dangerous out there. Many of you mongers got kids and a little (or not so little) wife at home. Be careful, the guilt associated with taking a "present" home can be more then many people can handle.

I get pissed when I see sickly looking mongers banging a different girl every night and not using a condom, then bragging about his ***** wife back home, while spewing crap about how heterosexual males can't get HIV. True, it's more difficult then being gay and taking it up the rear, or sharing needles, but it can and does happen everyday. If you're going to pick up hookers down Fremont, or anywhere, you better put a condom on, use it properly and make sure it does not break. Once you make a mistake you can't go back in time. I'm done here. See you all in Vegas in a few weeks.

[QUOTE=GettingTang]...or anywhere, you better put a condom on...[/QUOTE]Aha, we can at last end on a note of some agreement: STDs are a problem, and it is wise to take precautions. That includes a $500/hr casino worker on the Strip, and some much more common and easier to transmit stuff, such as hepatitis.

Hey Fellow Mongers,

I took the advice of the senior members on tour here in LV and checked out the scene at 7-9am and 7-9pm in the usual places and there seemed to be alot more traffic. I can't vouch for the quality, but more traffic. I am partial to WSW's, and they were few and far between and about 1 or 2's. There was significantly more BSW action, but I don't like to be obvious inviting a BSW into my vehicle and give the LE another reason to pull me over.

I appreciate the input and it is just a matter of time before I score on the WSW traffic. I did see a WSW at the 7/11 off of Fremont around 8am Wednesday morning that was decent, but I couldn't take advantage of it. I also saw a real blonde beauty at the corner of Mandalay Bay and Las Vegas Blvd. around 7pm Thursday, but was headed out elsewhere. She looked a little pricey, but you never know.

Thanks again and keep those posts coming, I'll update you fun-lovers as the storied unfold!

Be Safe! PH

[QUOTE=Pussy Hunter]Hey Fellow Mongers,

I am partial to WSW's, and they were few and far between and about 1 or 2's.
Be Safe! PH[/QUOTE]

Holy Playboy Pinup Batman, you saw a 2????

I have to say that checking out the areas referenced in previous posts finally paid off. I had the pleasure of meeting a little WSW named Mariana around 8pm last night that was just what the doctor ordered (in addition, there was another WSW in a blue dress that wasn't bad either, "Holy Penthouse Batman a SW above a 2!".).

She was walking down Boulder Hwy near the Station and quite the provider. We headed back to my place and for a few jackson's a great 50/50 was the order of the day and my faith restored in the trade in LV. Over the course of the last few days, there seemed to be some pretty good traffic from Trop to Eastern.

Thanks to all you LV mongers for the advice and be safe! PH

So long for another month my fellow mongers,

I went out Tuesday night around the suggested time of 7-9pm and there were quite a few gems. One of the first was a little latin SW on the corner of Trop and B Hwy. I asked her what the room rate was and she said she didn't know how much my room cost, but she was available!

The next was a little blonde SW that I saw near the 515 and she was trucking south and by the time I turned around, she was getting picked up by one of you guys in a white pick-up.

The next one was a little brunette in a short white skirt that I cornered in Sam's Town parking lot. She wasn't the cutest ornament on the tree, but had a nice bod, was ready willing and able and for some reason I passed.

I took off for another round of driving, saw a few unmentionables and tried to find the one at Sam's town again and I struck out. There were a few others, but I already blew my chances on the one's I should have picked up.

The lesson her is "He who hesitates is F__ked" he doesn't get the "Tang"!

Thanks again to the advice of the locals, I am a little wiser for my next trip in September and will post the success or lack of success on my return!

If you ever come to the S. Florida area, give me a ping and I'll see what I can do for you!

Be Safe! PH

Steph. Found just off the south strip.

Wilmer,

glad you were able to climb back out. :D

I thought the Grand Canyon was to the north not south of Las Vegas.

Wilmer,

That is one sweet looking snatch! Yummy!

Wilmer, that has to be the cleanest piece of poon I have seen in a while! I almost forgot what they looked like when they were fresh.

You da Man! Got any more pics of her?

You didn't find my keys in there, did you?

P.S. Post more!

Made it out to Vegas for the weekend and finally took the chance of bringing the rental out and about.

Cruised Tropicana between the I-15 and The Orleans Casino from about 2am to 4am. Saw this really hot looking Latina or light skinned black girl in a tight black top and tight black mini-skirt or shorts. Long dark hair pulled back into a pony tail a la I Dream of Jeannie. She was incredibly hot looking. Saw her three times during my cruise and each time she was nabbed by another monger before me. If anyone has a report about her, please post!

This area is so hot nowadays you'd be a fool to even try to pick an SW here. When I say hot -- I mean LE. Just last night I saw a BSW getting arrested across the street from the BK, sirens and all. There used to be a regular tall slender BSW girl that stands outside the Motel6 under the trees, but the LE is on constant watch I don't ever see her anymore either. Not too long ago I picked up a chunky big-breasted blond SW sitting by the sidewalk at the end of the Chevron. She was really desperate, an OK experience. She said she needed a clientel very badly, but already been busted a few times the short time she's been out here in Vegas. Warning to all: Don't lurk around Trop/Industrial strolling for SW's cause the chances are, there's LE hiding somewhere -- if not right out in the open. They keep track of who keeps driving back and forth.

I've been living out here for a while now, and I'm surprised and mesmerized at how hard the LE is active in town. You'd think that "Sin City" wouldn't worry much about working girls, but ironically, the LE is more hardnosed here than a lot of the other major cities I've been in. I'm a regular lurker up and down Boulder. I see at least 1 cop car patroling every 10 or so minutes. Fucking ridiculous. You have to be "lucky" to spot a "doable" SW on any given night.

A few days ago I spotted a HOT WSW standing in front of one of the Budgets near SAM'S. I thought I was dreaming. Before I could pull a U-Turn I see a van pick her up. Some black dude with Cali plates. I saw them pull into another cheap motel -- I figured it was probably her pimp. Not just because he was black mind you, just the way they were chatting up seemed like they weren't exactly on the clock. The very next day I was in the same area, and what do I see in the exact same spot this SW was standing, a big cop car. So much for that new find. I'll probably never spot her near there ever again. I've had much better luck as a tourist in California than the street scene here in town. You'd think that the city could use their funds and energy in busting murderers, pedophiles and thieves so prevalent in town rather than giving these girls a hard time trying to earn a dollar.

Some late-night SW's are constant in and around the downtown Freemont area, but hell, unless you're into fat old angry Gremlins, I'd stay away. You can't pay me enough to let one of those into my car.

Some more frustrated observations to come...

Cruised Trop and Ind and was busted by da Police!

Slender BSW, strolling looking for a customer and was sucked into a sting op. Didnt think she was a sting op because of the strict protocol that denotes what is a sting and what is a legitimate transaction. I pull up and she gets in real quick, does the check and everything. Figure its all good until she says that I need to pull into a dark parking lot with several white vans. Didnt think anything of it, until she she just stepped out of my vehicle and walked off. I was like WTF?! Anyway, I notice several men walking up to my vehicle from out of the dark corners and approach me. Thought, "oh fuck pimps!" Anyway, guess what? Vegas Vice!! Gave me a citation and sent me off my way! I tried to ask about the physical check of the vice operative (BSW) and they said she is not part of LE and what she does isn't admissable in court should i contest the citation. Ok, i thought im not familiar with certain judicial procedures, but I didnt know that they could use, what i assume as regulars, for vice ops.

Anyway, if a misdeamer according to NRS 201.354

[QUOTE=ClitCommander]Cruised Trop and Ind and was busted by da Police!
.... Anyway, I notice several men walking up to my vehicle from out of the dark corners and approach me. Thought, "oh fuck pimps!" Anyway, guess what? Vegas Vice!! Gave me a citation and sent me off my way! .... I tried to ask about the physical check of the vice operative (BSW) and they said she is not part of LE and what she does isn't admissable in court should i contest the citation...Anyway, if a misdeamer according to NRS 201.354[/QUOTE]

Let me see if I got this straight , C·C =

You live in Tacoma , and there·fore presumably carry a Washington State Driver's License . The LVPD busted you for Solicitation — a misdemeanor punishable by a up to a year in Prison & / or a $1000 Fine — and yet they let you , an out·of·state visitor in either a rental car or your own vehicle registered in Washington , walk away with just a fricken *TICKET* ???

No Arrest ?? ; No booking photos or print check to verify your identity ?? ; No towing your vehicle ??
No Mandatory HIV Testing , as per NRS 201.356 ???

AND = if "what she does isn't admissible in Court" , what other evidence are they gonna present to convict you of Solicitation ??

Does any·one else here find this Tale of Woe a little Strange ??

While in Vegas for some "R & R" I cruised this area. One evening I picked up Sarah (states she also dances at Wild J's behind Circus Circus). She's 32 years old and would rate a 6 on the SW scale. She actually suggested we get in the back of the car to have a better time. She was awesome ! She stays at the Capri motel. Further up on Fremont I picked up Tamara, a 20-something blonde. .2 for BBBJTCIM. She was very nice and actually gave me short cut directions to return back to my hotel on the Strip. Another evening I spotted a very young hot blonde near the Carl's Jr. across from the Silver Dollar casino. Didn't hook up with her but did see her about 20 minutes later on the pay phone at the Gatewood motel on Boulder Hwy.
During a stroll during daytime I noticed a couple WSW's out around the abandoned "Castaways" casino.
Beware as LVPD is ALL over the place. Be careful.

[QUOTE=PsyberZombie]Let me see if I got this straight , C·C =

You live in Tacoma , and there·fore presumably carry a Washington State Driver's License . The LVPD busted you for Solicitation — a misdemeanor punishable by a up to a year in Prison & / or a $1000 Fine — and yet they let you , an out·of·state visitor in either a rental car or your own vehicle registered in Washington , walk away with just a fricken *TICKET* ???

No Arrest ?? ; No booking photos or print check to verify your identity ?? ; No towing your vehicle ??
No Mandatory HIV Testing , as per NRS 201.356 ???

AND = if "what she does isn't admissible in Court" , what other evidence are they gonna present to convict you of Solicitation ??

Does any·one else here find this Tale of Woe a little Strange ??[/QUOTE]

Holy crap! I think we should all give up mongering on Trop!

As far as the girl - it sounds like one of those "You help us - we help you" sceneros.

But the tale does seem to have a hole or two in it. WOuld love to hear more about it...

I had a free room offered by an off-Strip hotel in that part of town, so I was up and down that street more than a dozen times last week at all hours. I hadn't been on West Trop in months, avoiding the area since they had the street all torn up with sewer work or whatever, creating an even worse traffic nightmare than usual.

The good news is that they've apparently finished digging up the street and putting it back together, so now traffic flows as smoothly there as any major arterial crossing the Strip ever does.

The bad news is that I didn't see a hint of a SW there at any time of day or night. Not a single one. Of course, it was the slow mid-week after the holiday period, but that street was desolate every time I went by. Noon, ten at night, three in the morning: didn't matter, not a sign of life, not even a stray bus rider waiting.

I used the Commerce Center on east Sahara to make a turnaround at four am and stumbled onto a SW in the parking lot just inside the main entrance from Sahara. She was probably mid thirties, looked Korean, wearing a "do-me" type dress. I thought she was moderately attractive and she was obviously VERY eager to provide some company, but she also looked drunk or drugged out, and a little wobbly on her feet as she waved at me. I passed on her, as I had other fish to fry.

I've never seen this before, but I don't pull into the Commerce Center very often, so I don't really know whether this is unusual there or not.

Location of this late graveyard special, no "fun-book" coupon required:
[url]http://maps.google.com/maps?q=953+E+Sahara+Ave,+Las+Vegas,+NV&spn=0.008017,0.015044&t=h&hl=en[/url]

Wastrel that be a TS. I work over there on Sahara. She he is frequenty walking by.

Sorry to hear you got busted.
Seems real strange they just gave you a ticket. You should get a lawyer and get some advice. My guess is that they probably don't have a strong case. But it just goes to show that it's a good idea to drive from the area.


"NRS 201.354 Engaging in prostitution or solicitation for prostitution : Penalty ; exception.

1. It is unlawful for any person to engage in prostitution or solicitation therefor, except in a licensed house of prostitution.

2. Any person who violates subsection 1 is guilty of a misdemeanor.

(Added to NRS by 1987, 2027; A 1991, 462)"

[QUOTE=Vegas Baby]Wastrel that be a TS. I work over there on Sahara. She he is frequenty walking by.[/QUOTE]I always wonder about that with anything I see anywhere around there, becuase I know there's a couple of TS/TV bars nearby, especially the one on the back side of the CC on Karen. Some of the ladies in town should get hair and makeup lessons from them. I felt sure "she" was equipped as advertised after taking a long hard look from about 15 feet. But I'll take your word for it.

Coming out of the Cue Club and exiting on Karen I noticed a new Asian barber shop that was open. Right between the TV sitting bench (where they seem to loiter) and what I assume (judging by the rainbow) a new gay bar (cat fights anyone?) . All I saw was female Asians that appeared to work there.

The odd thing was it was 1AM on a Saturday nite. I wonder just what kind of trim they may be offering...

[QUOTE=ClitCommander]I pull up and she gets in...she says that I need to pull into a dark parking lot with several white vans.[/QUOTE]
Since most of us would be very unlikely to obey any such request, one must wonder how long that could go on.

I wanted to sit on this for a while before responding, if at all. I've had SWs try to give me a line of bullpucky about a ridiculous mythical "citizen's brigade" or some such cheesy harebrained nonsense to try to extort money, and I've had them try to lure me to a spot I believe may have been a set-up for a possible robbery or at least a cash and dash, but I have a very hard time getting a picture of this very unconventional LE activity.

Even though I find the details of this account so very peculiar, I do not want to assert any conclusion about the post, just becuase I don't like to do that. One does have to wonder, however, how long the LE operation would continue after the bait ended up halfway to Red Rock Canyon in some coked up parolee’s stolen car instead of in the designated spot, which is, of course, the most likely result of the situation. It's certainly a problem that would occur to Metro officers in setting up such an uncontrollable operation, and to their superiors, her family, their lawyer, and the evening news when explaining why their bait girl ended up as a wet spot in the middle of six lanes of traffic.

It’s pretty hard to get fired from Metro for something as mundane as incompetence, but this might do the trick.

It does sound very strange that Vice would issue a ticket for a crime. Normally, one is arrested and booked for ANY crime even a petty misdemeanor and that sounded like it was a full misdemeanor according to the NRS. I'm guessing that if they only gave you a ticket, it was more of a warning.

I'm no lawyer but if you weren't arrested and booked, I don't see how they can charge you with a crime. Normally when you are arrested for any crime, you have to post bail unless you want to sleep in the cell block until your arraignment. Very strange but a bit disturbing for us out of state folks visiting sin city.

LipLicker - giving you a ticket is charging you with a crime. Many of the misdemeanors like 207.200 (trespass) violations are handled with a citation. Providing things like your papers are in order and you come back with no hits; wants & warrants.

It makes things easier for Metro, within the whole process, and leaves them clear for more serious crimes like car dates.

I'm just having a problem with being told to park in a very specific spot by specific vehicles. To me that's a very green move to comply with such a request from a SW. You need to maintain some sort of control over the situation. If you can't come to an agreement then out she goes. I don't care if she's comfortable as much as I care if I'm safe.

[QUOTE=Wastrel]I used the Commerce Center on east Sahara to make a turnaround at four am and stumbled onto a SW in the parking lot just inside the main entrance from Sahara....

...I've never seen this before, but I don't pull into the Commerce Center very often, so I don't really know whether this is unusual there or not.

Location of this late graveyard special, no "fun-book" coupon required:
[url]http://maps.google.com/maps?q=953+E+Sahara+Ave,+Las+Vegas,+NV&spn=0.008017,0.015044&t=h&hl=en[/url][/QUOTE]I know several people who work in the area, and most locals know that CC is notorious for TS action. However, because of a couple of Swing clubs there, I have seen regular working girls there. I have also taken SW's (if they were dressed decent enough) into one such club because of the couples are free option. However, more often than not they are TS, but they will also tell you right up front. Ask if you can't tell, because some do look better than the cracked out stuff that is out there. I don't think they want to risk surprising a guy.

There is also some occasional action just west of the CC on Sahara, but the better times are 8am-10am for that action.

Vegas is a little drive away, but with the lack of S/W s in LA and the quality of the Casinos girls I was thinking of taking a drive as I make it to Vegas enouhg as is.

[QUOTE=LV Fan]I have also taken SW's (if they were dressed decent enough) into one such club because of the couples are free option.[/QUOTE]
I used to find SWs fairly often (yes, I do know these were women, unless stretch marks from childbirth are part of the TS wardrobe) in the area farther west in the sleazy housing projects behind the Eureka, like around Sherwood and Karen, and one of those about a year ago suggested we should go to the Green Door. I declined becuase I wasn't sure what the deal was on the place and I'm a very cautious and skeptical sort of curmudgeon, but I regret not trying that becuase it does seem like it could be a safe sane alternative to parking if it's truly free for a "couple" with no catch.

A few questions if you know and don't mind indulging me: is there any privacy available at all in those clubs, are all couples always completely free at any hour, am I right to assume that ID would be required for both halves of the couple, and does it matter for entry fee purposes if the IDs are local or not?

I haven't found the streets southwest of the Eureka to be active lately, but Commerce Center is still reasonably convenient to some other SW hunting grounds.

[QUOTE=Wastrel] is there any privacy available at all in those clubs

I've been in the Fantasy. There were public and private rooms. amazing. The entire time I was there. Absolutely nothing happened to anybody. Just one guy walking around occasionally priming his pump through his open zipper. Don't know what he thought he was accomplishing. The boss b*tch at the Fantasy said she watches for working girls, tries to bar them. On the other hand, some other sites have women suggesting that men go to Green Door. So who knows. one woman who advertises in the massage group advises men to go to Green Door. Some reviewers suggest that there are a lot of men and few women on the premises most nights. But then one guy told me that he loves the place. Real hard-core action, especially interesting to voyeurs, he said.

Anyway, that CC is amazing. I once saw a drop-dead gorgeous creature that I suspected was a T-Girl, based on where she was standing, so didn't stop. and once saw marked and unmarked Crown Vics containing two or three guys watching the area, particularly rear of LV Lounge, which looks like it must be a real dump? . don't know about the other places. Someone told me that there are several gay bars there, that the one on the corner of Sahara and the CC entry is "T-G" friendly and that Zingers is a TS/TG hangout, too. On the other hand, have on a couple of occasions seen what appears to be WSW and BSW in the daytime. Both in the CC, on Karen, on the street east of CC, and on one occasion, one brazenly attempting to stop traffic on that street that crosses Karen (like Joe Brown or something? ). Once nice- looking, obviously a new crack convert, waving at the cars going by behind the Hilton property. Didn't seem right. too obvious. So I didn't try to get a second look.

[QUOTE=Wastrel]I had a free room offered by an off-Strip hotel in that part of town, so I was up and down that street more than a dozen times last week at all hours. I hadn't been on West Trop in months, avoiding the area since they had the street all torn up with sewer work or whatever, creating an even worse traffic nightmare than usual.

The good news is that they've apparently finished digging up the street and putting it back together, so now traffic flows as smoothly there as any major arterial crossing the Strip ever does.

The bad news is that I didn't see a hint of a SW there at any time of day or night. Not a single one. Of course, it was the slow mid-week after the holiday period, but that street was desolate every time I went by. Noon, ten at night, three in the morning: didn't matter, not a sign of life, not even a stray bus rider waiting.[/QUOTE]

I also stayed there, just a few blocks west of I-15. Best action was at the bar, no SW action at all. Take that back, saw one hottie walking thru TacosMexico into the Budget Suites, but couldn't get her attention. Sure has gone downhill even in just the last couple of years...

[QUOTE=Cruiser]Then a couple of weeks later we went the Red Rooster. It was $30 for a couple to get in. I was much cleaner and way more crowded than the other places in CC. There were a lot of old people and fat Girls. Also there seemed to be a lot of single women. I had the same feeling about them being SWs as well. We did not participate in anything. We were just curious.[/QUOTE]Just for clarification: do you mean the real Red Rooster (swing house) off Boulder HiWay or the name copying, no affiliation Red Rooster 2 in CC?

Hey Mongers,

I'm back for another few weeks of mongering in your great town! I see the Swing Clubs have gotten a little press, but without a date, a guy doesn't have a prayer and it's cost prohibitive in most places. I prefer the wide open space of the SW trade. I had a great time with all the help last time I was here and hope to post a few successes this time.

If you have any hotspots that have just cum up, any great incalls or have some new advice from last time, I'm all ears! LV is a great place and all your posts were great while I was away, even the bad trip by one and getting stung by another! That's life in the fast lane! I look forward to a great trip!

Be Safe! PH