The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

MrCoop,

You may receive varying answers on this, but let me give you my opinion. I've been a SD for over two years, and regardless of how horny I am, how desperate they are, or the favor-ability of the pre-meet conversation. I always (ALWAYS) without exception meet on neutral ground. It is easy to think about the safety of the SB, however, your safety is FAR more imperative here. You are the "money' man, and everyone knows it.

I feel so strongly about this, that I have refused to meet a couple of dozen SBs due to this self-imposed rule of mine. You have to view yourself as a potential target with any SB. My rule is very simple; first meeting in a public place, or no meet at all. SBs come and go. Not to sound harsh here, but there's an unlimited amount of them at your disposal. Never (ever) lose your upper hand inside the Sugar Bowl.

Cheers: Thresh.

[QUOTE=MRCoop39;3118704]I decided to try SA out and found a SB that wanted to meet. We have already set up an arrangement.

She does not have transportation and she wants me to visit her home (not to pick her up and go to a hotel but have our fun there at a place that is near a rough part of Durham County).

I asked her a question about being an adult 18 or over, old enough to consent and she told me I was being weird (but never answered the question). I informed her that was a question designed for her safety and mines because a stranger is coming to her resident (where she says she will be alone) and I wanted to ensure she was of legal age because while she is sexy and her profile says she is 18.she looks young (and she never answered the question, she talked around the question, "you will see when you get here that I'm an adult".

What should I do? Just go to the meet and then request her I'd before we get into anything?[/QUOTE]

The other problem you run into with this is that you can get catfished and the photos you saw, are not of the girl you meet in person. That is why I always do a face to face meeting before agreeing on the arrangement. Unfortunately I learned it the hard way.

Also, make sure you get a full body photo so you can make sure there are no surprises in the lower parts. Another lesson learned the hard way.

[QUOTE=Thresh;3119031]MrCoop,

You may receive varying answers on this, but let me give you my opinion. I've been a SD for over two years, and regardless of how horny I am, how desperate they are, or the favor-ability of the pre-meet conversation. I always (ALWAYS) without exception meet on neutral ground. It is easy to think about the safety of the SB, however, your safety is FAR more imperative here. You are the "money' man, and everyone knows it.

I feel so strongly about this, that I have refused to meet a couple of dozen SBs due to this self-imposed rule of mine. You have to view yourself as a potential target with any SB. My rule is very simple; first meeting in a public place, or no meet at all. SBs come and go. Not to sound harsh here, but there's an unlimited amount of them at your disposal. Never (ever) lose your upper hand inside the Sugar Bowl.

Cheers: Thresh.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/cb0c4d1c-56dd-4944-bb6a-c4c010f7aa68[/URL]

Agreed on an allowance via message and text. Twice she mentioned wanting the allowance up front. I told her it sounded like a rob scam to me and she became belligerent. I blocked her on SA and phone.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/91b9bd50-dedb-c144-a141-828fa935d3a8[/URL]

FYI. Lots of texting back and forth. Finally set up a meet. She gave me her address. Run down house in Durham. It's not in a horrible spot, but not great. I asked about meeting nearby in public, but she said she doesn't drive right now. She would come out and sit in the car and talk if I wanted. I let the little head say ok. Showed up and pulled into the driveway. A large gentlemen immediately peeked around the corner from the back of the house, then hid around the corner again. I bolted. She might be real, but I'm not finding out.

Stay safe.

I want to reply to a couple of posts all at once, hopefully that's cool.

1) thanks for the notes on joining. I had used the site back when they still took money orders and got flustered.

2) Definitely a trend. I actually bring up STD safety stuff at the first meeting. I find that coming right out with it gives me all the info I need: are they safe, are they tested regularly, are they the sad casualties of regressive politics and abstinence-only sex ed? Usually it's 1 and 2 or 3. I also ask if they got the HPV vaccine and don't proceed if they haven't. If it's someone I intend to make an investment with I'll discuss document-able testing just to see how they react. The most trusted reply I got was "hah, yeah. We can do that, but I'd never trust it because it's all invalidated the moment you have sex with someone again and this isn't a world of trust. It's a world of transactions. " When I first started reading this and some other boards was the end of my seeing "regular" appointments -- way too many people trying to go BB with a pool of people using IV drugs and that's just insane. (sorry for the soapbox).

3) the end of point 2 was the best worst thing to happen to me. I went totally SD / UTR almost three years ago and I don't think I'd ever go back. The mirror to Thresh's point about being a target is that unlike with the backpage or even high class zones we can be in absolute control if you do things the right way. One important thing to note is that there are WAY more real women on SA than actual SDaddies. So we should all win by default. All of this assumes you understand how this is different. I can go to Raleigh Denim and spend nearly $200 on a pair of raw-denim jeans. Work them in the right way over the next six months and then I have a custom fit / fade to my body that will last me years with little to no extra investment. Or you could go buy three pairs of Levi's for that price. They will all be good, but never fit perfectly, will wear out in a year, and expect to see your co-worker wearing the same cut and fade at the work picnic. And then there's WalMart jeans. You might get crabs just trying them on.

Slow your roll. Do your research. Figure out your style and persona. Then start raking them in. Here's some testimonials. I'll give direct links via PM to some of you senior members (good SA match can still be UTR).

1- I joined last week. Spent the weekend lining up options since I had a work trip to another part of the state. First night I got there I met my first date for coffee at 4. We were in the hot tub by 5, to the room for round one, out for dinner around 7:30, back to the room for rounds 2-exhaustion. She spent the night. Everything was on the menu. Like pornstar meets kinky sub menu. Our discussion over the weekend included her naming a $$$ a little south of 1 k. I told her that I totally believe she has guys lining up to throw that kinda money at her but it was well outside my intended budget. We settled on less than half (and slightly more than the top priced BP girls around here).

2- Had someone lined up for the next day, but felt tired and work meetings were frustrating. So I told her that I wasn't feeling good and asked to wait until later and she was fine with that after lowering her stated price (and my saying I wasn't trying to low-ball her). That evening I got a text from night one asking she I'd like to "rejuvenate" in the hot tub. I said I would, but my budget didn't allow and she snipped back that she wanted the tub not my money (with a wink). Woke up with her the next morning as well. When I was leaving town I sent her a note saying I had fun and she replied that she did too and really hoped to see me next time (but remember this is NSA. I'm 100% yours when we are together, but only when we are together).

3- "work trip" was always a bit of an exaggeration. I was on a tour to see what I could establish in the area since I'll be there about 4-5 days each month for the coming year. So I started this day saying goodbye to my first baby and met my contact from the previous night for brunch. We had a nice time and made plans to get drinks at the hotel that night with the parting gift "and lets just go with that lower amount. You actually make me feel comfortable and it would be nice not going home feeling gross. " Started drinks picking up that conversation line. And talked the complications of consent and money and sexism and ended the night in my bed and her declining money. (that happens only once in a blue moon and I've already sent her some stuff I know she needs for her art addressed from "an anonymous patron. " (I'm tipping my hand here. I do believe that money and consent makes things fucked up and sticky and I did send it anonymously. But I knew she would know it was from me and wrote "I don't believe in romance, but this made me smile and I can't wait to make you smile again" . Call it a long con or a game or business, be good at what you are doing and you'll succeed).

4- day four was a wild card. I'd been corresponding with a number of other local college girl types. These can be flighty and fickle. I seem to have the right amount of charisma and humbleness that they will usually talk themselves into doing more with me that they claim they will do. So I had a couple on the line and kept pushing them off being busy or "not sure if I should invest the money. Business deals on this trip aren't working out how I had initially expected. " Had one offer to meet me for drinks "just for fun" out of the blue. She suggested a place and I countered (I always counter). Fast forward to my giving her a ride home instead of via Uber and being invited to her dorm room "because it'll be so hot" or something.

I'm out about 7. For the week. That's for two overnights (both with tours to greece) plus two more evenings. That comes in at under $20 an hour. Sure it's not non-stop action, but this always works for me. Next time I'll have at least three to choose from and all of them will meet me for even less than this first trip. I'll send some gifts in the meantime. Everybody feels good getting gifts in the mail. Make someone actually feel good and they will want to make you feel good too.

Back here now and have a test the waters date tonight in Raleigh, tomorrow in Greensboro, and Wednesday in Burlington (Elon) plus someone asking if I would like her to drive here from WS to meet for drinks since I told her I was getting too busy. All have the expectation of an initial meeting with me saying I'm gong to be traveling a lot over the next six months so we might have to space things out. By the end of this month's paid SA account I'll probably hay ve my next year or so totally lined up. I already know at least two people I've spoken with will just be FWB since they are either stepping out or using SA as a way to get a very specific type of arrangement.

Go in expecting to invest, but think of it across the full year and do the cost analysis. You'll be so much more happy about it in the end. Tinder has mostly dried up for this kind of action. A year ago I was swimming in women from there. But I'm ending up preferring these set-ups because they want to keep it on the DL and the ones I'm going for are using it like a useful tool that same way as I am, so it works.

Again, hit me directly if you want some specifics. I'm also happy detailing how I engage with them. Just not out here in the open.

[QUOTE=Bpr8064;3119467]The other problem you run into with this is that you can get catfished and the photos you saw, are not of the girl you meet in person. That is why I always do a face to face meeting before agreeing on the arrangement. Unfortunately I learned it the hard way.

Also, make sure you get a full body photo so you can make sure there are no surprises in the lower parts. Another lesson learned the hard way.[/QUOTE]

I tend to have mornings free for play time. Most SBs cannot host. I cannot guarantee that I'll be able to check in to a hotel room in the morning, even if I call ahead and ask about it. Any suggestions on how to acquire an FC in the morning would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Triptogamont;3122852]I tend to have mornings free for play time. Most SBs cannot host. I cannot guarantee that I'll be able to check in to a hotel room in the morning, even if I call ahead and ask about it. Any suggestions on how to acquire an FC in the morning would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Uh, I check in the night before on my way home from work, set up the room, then come back in the morning and text the room # to the baby. Or, if my out of town baby was getting the room, she actually comes and stays in it overnight, then I show up to fukc her. Only problem. She's not a morning person and I have to start slow until she wakes up.

[QUOTE=Triptogamont;3122852]I tend to have mornings free for play time. Most SBs cannot host. I cannot guarantee that I'll be able to check in to a hotel room in the morning, even if I call ahead and ask about it. Any suggestions on how to acquire an FC in the morning would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Many hotels near the airport have special rates for air crews who need a short layover. Call and ask for the 'layoiver rate' and explain that you will be in by 8 and out by noon, or what ever your circumstances are.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3122866]Uh, I check in the night before on my way home from work, set up the room, then come back in the morning and text the room # to the baby. Or, if my out of town baby was getting the room, she actually comes and stays in it overnight, then I show up to fukc her. Only problem. She's not a morning person and I have to start slow until she wakes up.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I thought of this, but some of these girls are really flaky. I'd hate to have a room and no one to keep me company but Rosy Palm.

[QUOTE=Rdudreaming;3122939]Many hotels near the airport have special rates for air crews who need a short layover. Call and ask for the 'layoiver rate' and explain that you will be in by 8 and out by noon, or what ever your circumstances are.[/QUOTE]Will definitely look into this, thanks!

[QUOTE=Thresh;3119031]MrCoop,

You may receive varying answers on this, but let me give you my opinion. I've been a SD for over two years, and regardless of how horny I am, how desperate they are, or the favor-ability of the pre-meet conversation. I always (ALWAYS) without exception meet on neutral ground. It is easy to think about the safety of the SB, however, your safety is FAR more imperative here. You are the "money' man, and everyone knows it.

I feel so strongly about this, that I have refused to meet a couple of dozen SBs due to this self-imposed rule of mine. You have to view yourself as a potential target with any SB. My rule is very simple; first meeting in a public place, or no meet at all. SBs come and go. Not to sound harsh here, but there's an unlimited amount of them at your disposal. Never (ever) lose your upper hand inside the Sugar Bowl.

Cheers: Thresh.[/QUOTE]Great advise! I would add to this, might seem a little extreme, but record your encounters and text them about what they expect, want, and get followup communications as well. Put nothing past these girls. Many are indeed sweet, many are, or will become very jaded if you do not desire to continue seeing them. I have once been attempted to be extorted. I sent her the recording of the entire night and told her one more word and I was contacting the police. She apologized beyond my expectations. Freaked her out. And this was a girl I only met with, had a few drinks with and talked with. No sex, no intimacy. I had given her a nice gift even though we did not engage in intimacy as I liked her. All an act. A few days later I start getting texts how she is in trouble needs cash for XYZ. I wouldn't bite and she than just outright asked for the money. I said no, I do not do that. Then she starts texting me threats and she will find out if I have a wife or kids, and tell them what I am doing, meeting girls. I told her to go ahead, I'm single, nothing wrong with dating women. LOL. Then she said, "I'll tell everyone what happened. " I screenshot all her texts and sent them to her, along with a file of the entire night being recorded. She started apologizing and begging me not to report her. LOL.

I'm nice to any girl I meet. Very nice, just my nature and often times that is confused with weakness by these girls and attempts to take advantage. Once they start doing that, I will be come firm and stand my ground and most respect this and respond well.

A lot of these girls are not stable mentally. Sorry to be blunt, but they just aren't. They likely would never be on the site if they were. That is just a fact. I've dated a few very nice and fun girls, but at the end of the day, they were just so off and gave me the sense, they could turn psycho at any moment.

You cannot be too careful.

[QUOTE=MRCoop39;3118704]I decided to try SA out and found a SB that wanted to meet. We have already set up an arrangement.

She does not have transportation and she wants me to visit her home (not to pick her up and go to a hotel but have our fun there at a place that is near a rough part of Durham County).

I asked her a question about being an adult 18 or over, old enough to consent and she told me I was being weird (but never answered the question). I informed her that was a question designed for her safety and mines because a stranger is coming to her resident (where she says she will be alone) and I wanted to ensure she was of legal age because while she is sexy and her profile says she is 18.she looks young (and she never answered the question, she talked around the question, "you will see when you get here that I'm an adult".

What should I do? Just go to the meet and then request her I'd before we get into anything?[/QUOTE]I have met with several SBs claiming to be 18. I typically ask them to show me a picture I'd. One of my current SBs who is 19 now started on SA 2 months prior to her 18th birthday. I know this because I have been with her for over a year and know her birthdate and know when she started out on SA.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/6a61d038-e5b6-3850-cc5c-3359dd7a1638[/URL]

I've recently met with this one (M / G) and she seems fun and genuine. Am considering her for a LT SB. Something on the back of my mind is nagging at me and I don't know what it is though. I swear I've seen her tattoo (below clavicle) before somewhere. If anyone has any information they wish to share, PM me or post here before I pull the trigger! Thanks!

Yaya.

I have been away from the Hobby but the break allowed me to reflect. With all the risk of BP, I am considering SA. But it sounds like a lot of effort. I don't have a lot of time to be meeting and screening. I also don't have extra large amounts of cash. So my first question for the group is; how much time / effort are you putting into this and would it be better to go for angencies if my time is limited?

Second question; about how much should one expect to shell out for most encounters? I don't want to insult anyone.

Third; do I need to include a photo? I simply can't do that.

Final Question; how many ads are real? I checked out AM and ALL the profiles seemed fake to me, it was soooo obvious, especially when popular porn stars are featured, along with corny names all with with sex innuendo. And I think there was a revelation of people hired just to write fake profiles. SA free membership allows me to see basic info, it does not seem as fake. AF seems a bit fake. What is your experience with the truth in advertising?

Sorry for long post but thanks for info. I got into this hoping to find a few regulars I could get to know, like FWB, but that seems impossible with all the inconsistencies of BP gals. With tips, angencies would get expensive, with very limited time for the $.

[QUOTE=MrNCbob;3153488]I have been away from the Hobby but the break allowed me to reflect. With all the risk of BP, I am considering SA. But it sounds like a lot of effort. I don't have a lot of time to be meeting and screening. I also don't have extra large amounts of cash. So my first question for the group is; how much time / effort are you putting into this and would it be better to go for angencies if my time is limited?

Second question; about how much should one expect to shell out for most encounters? I don't want to insult anyone.

Third; do I need to include a photo? I simply can't do that.

Final Question; how many ads are real? I checked out AM and ALL the profiles seemed fake to me, it was soooo obvious, especially when popular porn stars are featured, along with corny names all with with sex innuendo. And I think there was a revelation of people hired just to write fake profiles. SA free membership allows me to see basic info, it does not seem as fake. AF seems a bit fake. What is your experience with the truth in advertising?

Sorry for long post but thanks for info. I got into this hoping to find a few regulars I could get to know, like FWB, but that seems impossible with all the inconsistencies of BP gals. With tips, angencies would get expensive, with very limited time for the $.[/QUOTE]If your time and funds are limited and you aren't planning to post a picture, then you shouldn't start this to be honest. The vast majority of the girls are very real, but it will take time for you to sort through profiles, send messages back and forth, and meet with them to see how compatible you both are. As most aren't pros, they will need to feel a connection with you in order to start things, so many won't entertain meeting someone that won't even post a picture of themselves. I post real photos of myself in the private area and give permission to view only to those that I'm interested in meeting. As far as cost, it really depends on the girl, but think of $$ to $$ per meet for most of them (per meet meaning multiple hours) some will ask for less / more but it's up to you to find those and negotiate. Good luck!

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/636e16fc-8e92-3ed0-3855-96022f725d3c[/URL]

Got his from her.

"I don't see Indians for less than 2000 per visit. ".

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;3158164][URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/636e16fc-8e92-3ed0-3855-96022f725d3c[/URL]

Got his from her.

"I don't see Indians for less than 2000 per visit. ".[/QUOTE]I had emailed a bit with her. Was quoted 500. Generally if I'm getting pricing when I don't even show a pic, I assume she's an UTR "pro" and opt out!

[QUOTE=MrNCbob;3153488]I have been away from the Hobby but the break allowed me to reflect. With all the risk of BP, I am considering SA. But it sounds like a lot of effort. I don't have a lot of time to be meeting and screening. I also don't have extra large amounts of cash. So my first question for the group is; how much time / effort are you putting into this and would it be better to go for angencies if my time is limited?

Second question; about how much should one expect to shell out for most encounters? I don't want to insult anyone.

Third; do I need to include a photo? I simply can't do that.

Final Question; how many ads are real? I checked out AM and ALL the profiles seemed fake to me, it was soooo obvious, especially when popular porn stars are featured, along with corny names all with with sex innuendo. And I think there was a revelation of people hired just to write fake profiles. SA free membership allows me to see basic info, it does not seem as fake. AF seems a bit fake. What is your experience with the truth in advertising?

Sorry for long post but thanks for info. I got into this hoping to find a few regulars I could get to know, like FWB, but that seems impossible with all the inconsistencies of BP gals. With tips, angencies would get expensive, with very limited time for the $.[/QUOTE]You will find plenty of utr and pros on SA. Go for them and that cuts your time and screenings down. The cost will be determined by what your looking for but plenty in the BP range. As far as a photo write a good profile as to what your looking for. That goes along way. I have never used a photo and have plenty of responses. Pic can be sent when you get to texting phase. Send a recent pic when you do. You will be able to sort out the worki g girls from the real deal pretty fast.

Ok, thank you guys for the feedback. It sounds like SA is real but less efficient, though possibly a good source for UTR if I am willing to do a little ground work. So next question; has anyone found a refillable credit card that can be used on this site? Most cards say no international purchases.

[QUOTE=MrNCbob;3160168]Ok, thank you guys for the feedback. It sounds like SA is real but less efficient, though possibly a good source for UTR if I am willing to do a little ground work. So next question; has anyone found a refillable credit card that can be used on this site? Most cards say no international purchases.[/QUOTE]I've always used the AMEX Serve (I think it's called that) card. You can get it at any CVS (maybe Walgreens). It's prepaid at the register, so you will need to know the $ amount you want to upload before you buy. There is no fee to buy the card, it's anonymous for online transactions, and you can just throw it away after the transaction / purchase. The last time I tried to use it I had to contact SA support and give them the card info, which they cleared in 24 hours. Good luck, and let us know how it worked out!

Yaya.

Is this the girl from Dunn that others were discussing earlier this year? Has anyone had any dealings with her? Been talking with her, no red flags so far, but wanted to see if anyone had already tried.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/9a906d3d-62d2-42d8-b412-bf6911a21fb1[/URL]

First message I receive after joining SA premium. Just wow.

"What do you look like why would you hide your face unless you realize your very ugly".

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/8f509341-e171-4655-b855-9ddcbc51589e[/URL]

So I joined SA just to check it out. I already have a few messages but I have not paid for premium. . 8 for one month? Am I missing something here? Is it really worth that? Is there a way to read messages without paying? And as far as posting a picture, are you guys using your actual picture? I just can't seem to bring myself to put my pic up for fear someone will see it that knows me.

[QUOTE=JRoy12;3192986]So I joined SA just to check it out. I already have a few messages but I have not paid for premium. . 8 for one month? Am I missing something here? Is it really worth that? Is there a way to read messages without paying? And as far as posting a picture, are you guys using your actual picture? I just can't seem to bring myself to put my pic up for fear someone will see it that knows me.[/QUOTE]I paid for premium and would have to say, YES it's worth it. I have NOT posted a picture and have had a couple of meetings already and several other offers. Some are just crazy with their asking price, but others I have found are very reasonable. They almost all do ask for a picture, but even when I have provided one, I have blurred my face.

[QUOTE=JRoy12;3192986]So I joined SA just to check it out. I already have a few messages but I have not paid for premium. . 8 for one month? Am I missing something here? Is it really worth that? Is there a way to read messages without paying? And as far as posting a picture, are you guys using your actual picture? I just can't seem to bring myself to put my pic up for fear someone will see it that knows me.[/QUOTE]I put my picture up in the private, but I won't post it publicly. You have to pay to send messages. There's no way around it.

The first month is $54, so I figured I'd try it, see where it gets me, and if nowhere, then I'll cancel. I don't know if I have the charm or the game for this side of the hobby LOL. Should be an interesting month trying to feel it out.

[QUOTE=JRoy12;3192986]So I joined SA just to check it out. I already have a few messages but I have not paid for premium. . 8 for one month? Am I missing something here? Is it really worth that? Is there a way to read messages without paying? And as far as posting a picture, are you guys using your actual picture? I just can't seem to bring myself to put my pic up for fear someone will see it that knows me.[/QUOTE]I suggest you upload any pictures you may have as private. That way you control who gets to see them and who doesn't. IMO it is totally worth the fee to get access. I suggest you message any and all that interest you as it is a numbers game. Also suggest you take your communication off the site (such as text or email) after a few messages have been exchanged so that you have a way of contacting them after your month has expired. Good luck, and let us know how it goes!

Yaya.

I've talked to more hotties in the last 5 days than I have in years. This site is pretty awesome. Who knows if any of these will pan out, but I've got several prospects right now. And random ones hitting up my inbox on the daily.

I'm trying to learn as I go. I might be doing this all wrong right now, but it's fun at least.

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3198481]I've talked to more hotties in the last 5 days than I have in years. This site is pretty awesome. Who knows if any of these will pan out, but I've got several prospects right now. And random ones hitting up my inbox on the daily.

I'm trying to learn as I go. I might be doing this all wrong right now, but it's fun at least.[/QUOTE]It's the time of the season. They need Christmas money. I've been off the site for a month or so but have an inbox full of messages that I'm not sure I want to pay to read.

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3198481]I've talked to more hotties in the last 5 days than I have in years. This site is pretty awesome. Who knows if any of these will pan out, but I've got several prospects right now. And random ones hitting up my inbox on the daily.

I'm trying to learn as I go. I might be doing this all wrong right now, but it's fun at least.[/QUOTE]You need to go to the Richmond, VA thread on here and look for 'Highlights' - its an archive of everything you ever want to know about being a SD, and using SA.

Anyone have any experience with this chick?

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e71ab282-a77a-44fe-906d-36eb385a7365[/URL]

I think she's cute as hell. We've sent 80 or more messages just talking, but she seems a bit strange and now is saying she's thinking about deleting her acct bc she's never had a SD, and she's not sure it's for her.

I told her straight up to delete her acct if she wants to, that's her call. If I didn't find her so damn cute (I'm partial to asians), I'd just stop even trying.

I told her that her expectations were also a bit excessive. Was asking for $ $$$ or $ $$$$ for a short block of time, then I told her for that I could easily find other options for far less and she seemed intrigued. She also thinks that all the guys on this site are extremely wealthy, so I was trying to get her to take her blinders off LOL.

And this one is claiming to be a virgin. I'm almost inclined to believe her.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/9ae8b099-8619-4fbd-bce3-e60031332100

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3211347]Anyone have any experience with this chick?

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e71ab282-a77a-44fe-906d-36eb385a7365[/URL]

I think she's cute as hell. We've sent 80 or more messages just talking, but she seems a bit strange and now is saying she's thinking about deleting her acct bc she's never had a SD, and she's not sure it's for her.

I told her straight up to delete her acct if she wants to, that's her call. If I didn't find her so damn cute (I'm partial to asians), I'd just stop even trying.

I told her that her expectations were also a bit excessive. Was asking for $ $$$ or $ $$$$ for a short block of time, then I told her for that I could easily find other options for far less and she seemed intrigued. She also thinks that all the guys on this site are extremely wealthy, so I was trying to get her to take her blinders off LOL.

And this one is claiming to be a virgin. I'm almost inclined to believe her.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/9ae8b099-8619-4fbd-bce3-e60031332100[/QUOTE]Alot of girls put up a profile and figure out later that its not for them. It happens. Girls also look at what you list as income and if its healthy then they don't understand why a guy is balking or try to negotiate what should be a few bucks for them. I alzo ran into one who claimed to be a virgin but that term means something else to the younger generation. This Virgin had done every act know except was saving the vagina for mr right.

Yes, I also have had a lot of back and forth with this one. She's apapparently just transfered here from another Uni. I had pegged her as another GPS girl, which has been my focus lately. Before I tended to stay away from them, thinking they had too unrealistic expectations. But then I decided to see how well I could convert a few and have had surprising success. I'd never justify 4-5 for a single encounter, but love when I can convince them to cut that # in half and look at a bigger picture.

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3211347]Anyone have any experience with this chick?

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e71ab282-a77a-44fe-906d-36eb385a7365[/URL]

I think she's cute as hell. We've sent 80 or more messages just talking, but she seems a bit strange and now is saying she's thinking about deleting her acct bc she's never had a SD, and she's not sure it's for her.

I told her straight up to delete her acct if she wants to, that's her call. If I didn't find her so damn cute (I'm partial to asians), I'd just stop even trying.

I told her that her expectations were also a bit excessive. Was asking for $ $$$ or $ $$$$ for a short block of time, then I told her for that I could easily find other options for far less and she seemed intrigued. She also thinks that all the guys on this site are extremely wealthy, so I was trying to get her to take her blinders off LOL.
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I joined for a month. Actually, I created an account before I joined to read messages. Instantly, I received a fake bait profile message from a 20-year old cutie wearing an NC State sweatshirt. Of course, I couldn't read the message without paying to join. I got a couple of other messages, so, I said what the hell, lets see what this is all about. The one with the NC State cutie message was; "Hello! How are you!" I replied as a gentleman. Never got another message from her and it appears she never signed back in her account the remainder of the time I was a member.

Next, I got a message from a hot blonde. Watch out for her. She tried to have her brotha coke dealer / pimps follow me home after I met her. We only met as a meet and greet. I gave her a small Christmas gift. I'm not sure all of her pictures are actually her. Something is not right. She's probably a coke * and uses the site to rob people. I'd love to set her up and bust her with LE. Always be mindful that you're being set-up. The guys that tried to follow me aren't bright but probably dangerous. I caught them, they know I caught them and got their license plate number. They peeled off abruptly.

I sent messages to other many other women. Most want insane money. $$ just to meet, have dinner. ROFLMAO! I told them I could walk up to any woman I desired and make that offer and I'd find one in 10 minutes. I don't need to meet anyone online for that money. I had a couple, after pleasant texting that were all set and ready, then cancelled at the last minute. After the third time of that crap, I said I need to cut my losses of time.

Many of these women have children with no baby daddy paying child support. If their profile says, "Prefer Not to Say" in the part that ask whether they have children, it means they have children. Also, I think many of these women have daddy issues (real daddy, not sugar daddy.).

The site is chock full of fake profiles. I'm sure many are created by the site itself despite their claim they do everything they can to prevent or take down fake profiles. They want to give the illusion they have all these women but they don't and the ones that are real are jokes and a waste of time. I'm sure some aren't and guys have had success but I'm convinced that's the exception, not the rule.

I think you could be more successful striking-up a conversation with a woman and cleverly steer the conversation that you're a willing sugar daddy. I have no doubt you could make an arrangement because many single women would entertain the idea if approached correctly. You don't need to pay anyone to meet them online.

Let me say this too. I'm not an ugly guy. I get complimented by women all the time. I enjoy being single and prefer a variety of women. I do not have any desire to legally and financially commit myself to a woman through marriage, particularly with NC divorce laws. I don't want to be a dog. I have no problem paying for it because that is how it's worked in one form or another since the beginning of civilized man. After my experience on SA, I think it's better to be a lying dog. Being a lying dog is not illegal and you don't have to deal with a sorry selection of insane, damaged, scamming, indecisive women on the likes of SA. YMMV.

Sounds awful. Sorry for that experience. However, your final 'YMMV' is the key. In your area, that's the deal. It's not the same everywhere. Unfortunately, I was 'sentenced' to 15 years in RTP for career reasons, and I left over a decade ago. It was a wasteland for single women in my estimation. Why should women there on SA be any different. In different parts of the country, all indications are that SA is a hotbed of the sort of women we mongers / SDs are looking for. I don't believe SA makes fake profiles. That is not to say others may put up fake profiles. Even many SDs do this as a means of monitoring the babies they are pursuing. So don't be the POT calling the kettle black (pun). Be careful out there. Anyone you meet on the internet could be a scammer or hostile, and certainly SA has no real means of policing this. I have had a couple of tense moments w / women I met on SA on the west Coast. Fortunately, I protected myself and was not vulnerable to any ongoing pressure.

[QUOTE=CaptainKhan;3211509]I joined for a month. Actually, I created an account before I joined to read messages. Instantly, I received a fake bait profile message from a 20-year old cutie wearing an NC State sweatshirt. Of course, I couldn't read the message without paying to join. I got a couple of other messages, so, I said what the hell, lets see what this is all about. The one with the NC State cutie message was; "Hello! How are you!" I replied as a gentleman. Never got another message from her and it appears she never signed back in her account the remainder of the time I was a member.

Next, I got a message from a hot blonde. Watch out for her. She tried to have her brotha coke dealer / pimps follow me home after I met her. We only met as a meet and greet. I gave her a small Christmas gift. I'm not sure all of her pictures are actually her. Something is not right. She's probably a coke * and uses the site to rob people. I'd love to set her up and bust her with LE. Always be mindful that you're being set-up. The guys that tried to follow me aren't bright but probably dangerous. I caught them, they know I caught them and got their license plate number. They peeled off abruptly.

I sent messages to other many other women. Most want insane money. $$ just to meet, have dinner. ROFLMAO! I told them I could walk up to any woman I desired and make that offer and I'd find one in 10 minutes. I don't need to meet anyone online for that money. I had a couple, after pleasant texting that were all set and ready, then cancelled at the last minute. After the third time of that crap, I said I need to cut my losses of time.

Many of these women have children with no baby daddy paying child support. If their profile says, "Prefer Not to Say" in the part that ask whether they have children, it means they have children. Also, I think many of these women have daddy issues (real daddy, not sugar daddy.).

The site is chock full of fake profiles. I'm sure many are created by the site itself despite their claim they do everything they can to prevent or take down fake profiles. They want to give the illusion they have all these women but they don't and the ones that are real are jokes and a waste of time. I'm sure some aren't and guys have had success but I'm convinced that's the exception, not the rule.

I think you could be more successful striking-up a conversation with a woman and cleverly steer the conversation that you're a willing sugar daddy. I have no doubt you could make an arrangement because many single women would entertain the idea if approached correctly. You don't need to pay anyone to meet them online.

Let me say this too. I'm not an ugly guy. I get complimented by women all the time. I enjoy being single and prefer a variety of women. I do not have any desire to legally and financially commit myself to a woman through marriage, particularly with NC divorce laws. I don't want to be a dog. I have no problem paying for it because that is how it's worked in one form or another since the beginning of civilized man. After my experience on SA, I think it's better to be a lying dog. Being a lying dog is not illegal and you don't have to deal with a sorry selection of insane, damaged, scamming, indecisive women on the likes of SA. YMMV.[/QUOTE]

Haven't corresponded with her, but if you've sent 80 messages back and forth then she's probably not pegged you as serious or just a window shopper, so she wants you to get moving one way or the other. I would cut that down to 3 or 4 exchanges then offer to meet in person to see if you have chemistry or at least take the convo to text or email. The added benefit of meeting in person is that she may bring down her $ expectations. I've also met two girls claiming to be virgins and one that had only had one other sexual experience. Happily closed the deal with two of the 3 for several months each. Good luck!

Yaya.

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3211347]Anyone have any experience with this chick?

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e71ab282-a77a-44fe-906d-36eb385a7365[/URL]

I think she's cute as hell. We've sent 80 or more messages just talking, but she seems a bit strange and now is saying she's thinking about deleting her acct bc she's never had a SD, and she's not sure it's for her.

I told her straight up to delete her acct if she wants to, that's her call. If I didn't find her so damn cute (I'm partial to asians), I'd just stop even trying.

I told her that her expectations were also a bit excessive. Was asking for $ $$$ or $ $$$$ for a short block of time, then I told her for that I could easily find other options for far less and she seemed intrigued. She also thinks that all the guys on this site are extremely wealthy, so I was trying to get her to take her blinders off LOL.

And this one is claiming to be a virgin. I'm almost inclined to believe her.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/9ae8b099-8619-4fbd-bce3-e60031332100[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3211783]Sounds awful. Sorry for that experience. However, your final 'YMMV' is the key. In your area, that's the deal. It's not the same everywhere. Unfortunately, I was 'sentenced' to 15 years in RTP for career reasons, and I left over a decade ago. It was a wasteland for single women in my estimation. Why should women there on SA be any different. In different parts of the country, all indications are that SA is a hotbed of the sort of women we mongers / SDs are looking for. I don't believe SA makes fake profiles. That is not to say others may put up fake profiles. Even many SDs do this as a means of monitoring the babies they are pursuing. So don't be the POT calling the kettle black (pun). Be careful out there. Anyone you meet on the internet could be a scammer or hostile, and certainly SA has no real means of policing this. I have had a couple of tense moments w / women I met on SA on the west Coast. Fortunately, I protected myself and was not vulnerable to any ongoing pressure.[/QUOTE]Appreciate your feedback and this may be the case for this area but most of this area is populated by more people from around the country than actually were born and raised here. Whether SA puts up fake profiles or not, I'm going to disagree with you on that. All the online dating sites do it, even the free ones. Fake could be a willing woman who gets paid as a "content writer. " They're paid to appear not fake. Not only that, they have more profiles of women that haven't signed in over 6+ months than those that have recently signed in. Most of those could be former "content writers. " After the hack of AshMad and the news reports that the majority of profiles were indeed fake, fake, fake, fake is there really any question that other dating sites don't do it too. It's all an illusion.

The bottom line for me is, SA isn't necessary to find a sugar baby if one approaches it the right way and based on my experience, not as safe, with scammers, unrealistic, indecisive girls / women running amok on the site, not to mention the ridiculous monthly fee and time wasted for little return. Again, YMMV.

Lastly, I would never be the POT calling the kettle black. I used my real picture. I'm single, never married, no kids. I have nothing to hide. I'm just trying to practice liberty in the land of the "free" without getting scammed or robbed.

Yeah, the thrill of the chase is kinda fun. This girl hasn't appeared online for a few days now. I think she might seriously have some issues. I'm going to PM you.

[QUOTE=Donatello;3211443]Yes, I also have had a lot of back and forth with this one. She's apapparently just transfered here from another Uni. I had pegged her as another GPS girl, which has been my focus lately. Before I tended to stay away from them, thinking they had too unrealistic expectations. But then I decided to see how well I could convert a few and have had surprising success. I'd never justify 4-5 for a single encounter, but love when I can convince them to cut that # in half and look at a bigger picture.[/QUOTE]

Thanks yaya. I'm going to try! I find it kinda hard to just delve into the, I want DFK, BBBJ, CFS talk after only a few messages. I guess I need to just get over it and do it. But, the few that I didn't give a flip about, and just told them in message 2 what I was looking for have been rather receptive to it. This is a whole new ballgame for me, but I've been reading the threads, and a lot of stuff in the Richmond section. So much great info. I've just got to form it all together.

What do you do with the girls that don't want to transition from msg on SA? I've had a few that don't want to email / text?

[QUOTE=YayaGogo;3211908]Haven't corresponded with her, but if you've sent 80 messages back and forth then she's probably not pegged you as serious or just a window shopper, so she wants you to get moving one way or the other. I would cut that down to 3 or 4 exchanges then offer to meet in person to see if you have chemistry or at least take the convo to text or email. The added benefit of meeting in person is that she may bring down her $ expectations. I've also met two girls claiming to be virgins and one that had only had one other sexual experience. Happily closed the deal with two of the 3 for several months each. Good luck!

Yaya.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3212606]Thanks yaya. I'm going to try! I find it kinda hard to just delve into the, I want DFK, BBBJ, CFS talk after only a few messages. I guess I need to just get over it and do it. But, the few that I didn't give a flip about, and just told them in message 2 what I was looking for have been rather receptive to it. This is a whole new ballgame for me, but I've been reading the threads, and a lot of stuff in the Richmond section. So much great info. I've just got to form it all together.

What do you do with the girls that don't want to transition from msg on SA? I've had a few that don't want to email / text?[/QUOTE]There are so many options out there right now, that I would advise that you get your feet wet by simply trying different approaches with different girls to see what works and what doesn't. The point of the site is to actually meet people, not just message them online, and girls will appreciate you taking charge and moving things along. Trust me on that. That said, most of the girls are normal girls and not pros. I would NOT suggest you throw out those terms. You both KNOW what the site is about, and being overt will scare many of the non pros away that would otherwise be with you. Lastly, if a girl does not want to chat outside of SA is fine, but if you have had a few back and forth exchanges on what you're about and what you're looking for you should definitely set up and M&G and get to know each other in person.

Lastly, it's a numbers game. Don't be surprised if you get stood up a couple of times as these girls are young, skittish, and flaky. I like to confirm via text 1-2 hours before leaving that the meet is still on (has saved me from wasting my time more than once). Looking through the Richmond thread highlights was invaluable to me as I started, and I'm sure it will be for you. Good luck, and let us know how it goes!

Yaya.

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3212606]Thanks yaya. I'm going to try! I find it kinda hard to just delve into the, I want DFK, BBBJ, CFS talk after only a few messages. I guess I need to just get over it and do it. But, the few that I didn't give a flip about, and just told them in message 2 what I was looking for have been rather receptive to it. This is a whole new ballgame for me, but I've been reading the threads, and a lot of stuff in the Richmond section. So much great info. I've just got to form it all together.

What do you do with the girls that don't want to transition from msg on SA? I've had a few that don't want to email / text?[/QUOTE]There are so many options out there right now, that I would advise that you get your feet wet by simply trying different approaches with different girls to see what works and what doesn't. The point of the site is to actually meet people, not just message them online, and girls will appreciate you taking charge and moving things along. Trust me on that. That said, most of the girls are normal girls and not pros. I would NOT suggest you throw out those terms. You both KNOW what the site is about, and being overt will scare many of the non pros away that would otherwise be with you. Lastly, if a girl does not want to chat outside of SA is fine (you should always get their contact info though for future use), but if you have had a few back and forth exchanges on what you're about and what you're looking for you should definitely set up and M&G and get to know each other in person.

Lastly, it's a numbers game. Don't be surprised if you get stood up a couple of times as these girls are young, skittish, and flaky. I like to confirm via text 1-2 hours before leaving that the meet is still on (has saved me from wasting my time more than once). Looking through the Richmond thread highlights was invaluable to me as I started, and I'm sure it will be for you. Good luck, and let us know how it goes!

Yaya.