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[QUOTE=Zimbler;2268693]I see a lot of BP ads where the girls say "no cops" or they post a picture of a police badge with a line across it. Are the girls that stupid? Do they think if an undercover cop is looking at their ad they're going to leave her alone because she put the words "no cops" in her ad? Jeez.[/QUOTE]Common sense is not very common.
[QUOTE=Zimbler;2268693]I see a lot of BP ads where the girls say "no cops" or they post a picture of a police badge with a line across it. Are the girls that stupid? Do they think if an undercover cop is looking at their ad they're going to leave her alone because she put the words "no cops" in her ad? Jeez.[/QUOTE]There's a lot of bad legal advice in the world that seems to derive from schoolyard ethics.
I think it might be their no-so-subtle way of saying something illegal is going on. If I were LE, these would be the first people I'd go to. Right up there with "anything that happens between two consenting adults".
Maybe I'm odd, but I actually look for ads that say "nothing illegal will be offered" - at least then I have sorta an out if it doesn't feel right.
For me, the "no black men" usually translates to "my pimp likes to be the only black man in me".
[QUOTE=Zimbler;2268693]I see a lot of BP ads where the girls say "no cops" or they post a picture of a police badge with a line across it. Are the girls that stupid? Do they think if an undercover cop is looking at their ad they're going to leave her alone because she put the words "no cops" in her ad? Jeez.[/QUOTE]
I will be spending this afternoon with my favorite UTR girl with the finest spinner body imaginable. You guys will not be spending time with her because I am on moderation and by the time this posts she will be long gone. Since being on moderation, I have been unable to inform the Forum about Jasmine seeing guys on a Monday, Gia having a one day safe incall, and Amanda offering a two for one special. Unfortunately, most of the info I provide to the board is time sensitive so don't be surprised if you hear a lot less from me in the future.
[QUOTE=Johnkat111;2283122]I will be spending this afternoon with my favorite UTR girl with the finest spinner body imaginable. You guys will not be spending time with her because I am on moderation and by the time this posts she will be long gone. Since being on moderation, I have been unable to inform the Forum about Jasmine seeing guys on a Monday, Gia having a one day safe incall, and Amanda offering a two for one special. Unfortunately, most of the info I provide to the board is time sensitive so don't be surprised if you hear a lot less from me in the future.[/QUOTE]This is rants and raves so sometimes I answer, this isn't in blue so it's just me the guy not the mod.
All I told you was that the chicks needed to do their own promotion. If they or anybody want to rent a room from you that's their business not ours nor anybody else on the forum. It's not fair to all the other hard working girls in Milwaukee that can only advertise on the classifieds thread when you are on the review threads putting the girls in front of the guys.
However the difficulty in which you seem to be having accepting the loss of control this restriction places on you is starting to give me pause. There are many guys on the forum that do exactly what you're doing and none of them mind the requirement that the provider needs to do the promotion. None of the other chicks that are involved with this seem to have scheduling issues and arranging the use of the room.
I guess I'm just wondering why you seem to be the only one that can promote these providers and they can't do it for themselves. Why can't they run their own ads and manage their own schedule? I'm really curious and I suspect some other guys are as well though I can't speak for them. Care to illuminate us?
A2.
[QUOTE=Admin2;2283386]This is rants and raves so sometimes I answer, this isn't in blue so it's just me the guy not the mod.
All I told you was that the chicks needed to do their own promotion. If they or anybody want to rent a room from you that's their business not ours nor anybody else on the forum. It's not fair to all the other hard working girls in Milwaukee that can only advertise on the classifieds thread when you are on the review threads putting the girls in front of the guys.
However the difficulty in which you seem to be having accepting the loss of control this restriction places on you is starting to give me pause. There are many guys on the forum that do exactly what you're doing and none of them mind the requirement that the provider needs to do the promotion. None of the other chicks that are involved with this seem to have scheduling issues and arranging the use of the room.
I guess I'm just wondering why you seem to be the only one that can promote these providers and they can't do it for themselves. Why can't they run their own ads and manage their own schedule? I'm really curious and I suspect some other guys are as well though I can't speak for them. Care to illuminate us?
A2.[/QUOTE]I would just like to point out that 23 hours is my own personal record from the time I wrote a post until the time it was actually posted. I can be stupid all by myself without the help of delays that make my insignificant posts even more insignificant.
[QUOTE=Johnkat111;2283407]I would just like to point out that 23 hours is my own personal record from the time I wrote a post until the time it was actually posted. I can be stupid all by myself without the help of delays that make my insignificant posts even more insignificant.[/QUOTE]Because obviously the one you have is broke. I moderate the forum a minimum of twice per day, most times three times. In two years no posts have taken more than 12 hours to post.
When I laid this restriction on you, had you just said, "OK", you would't be moderated. Instead, like the post before this one, you argued with me. Acting as if not being able to promote chicks was somehow unreasonable and that I was preventing you from giving the poor needy men in Milwaukee the service they so desperately need.
[QUOTE]I will be spending this afternoon with my favorite UTR girl with the finest spinner body imaginable. You guys will not be spending time with her because I am on moderation and by the time this posts she will be long gone.[/QUOTE]
Has a safe incall location at your place for a day like it sounded in one of your last posts. Nothing against you John but I for one will never dream of Brooke because of the way you promote her on here. It's too bad because I really like the spinner bodies. Stay safe! Tommy.
[QUOTE=Johnkat111;2283122]I will be spending this afternoon with my favorite UTR girl with the finest spinner body imaginable. You guys will not be spending time with her because I am on moderation and by the time this posts she will be long gone. Since being on moderation, I have been unable to inform the Forum about Jasmine seeing guys on a Monday, Gia having a one day safe incall, and Amanda offering a two for one special. Unfortunately, most of the info I provide to the board is time sensitive so don't be surprised if you hear a lot less from me in the future.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tomamy;2283582]Has a safe incall location at your place for a day like it sounded in one of your last posts. Nothing against you John but I for one will never dream of Brooke because of the way you promote her on here. It's too bad because I really like the spinner bodies. Stay safe! Tommy.[/QUOTE]Sorry about the misunderstanding but there is nothing UTR about Gia / Brooke. Guys that have been pming me about her have been told she is high risk. Her incall is often the upper loft of a crack house which is not safe. For a while, I was picking her up and taking her to my house until her pimp found out where I lived so I don't consider my house safe. I stopped seeing her completely. She called to tell me she had an incall at a south side motel that I have been to a number of times with other providers and consider to be safe. I still wouldn't see her there because her pimp knows what I look like. However, she is hot and if anybody wanted to see her, that would have been the time and place. Since I've known her, this was only the third time she has used this particular location.
I think I understand where you are at Johnkat111, but I would have to agree with Tommy on his statement. You have given me and I'm sure others plenty of good info but it seems like your pimping these girls even though I don't think you are. I have not seen two girls because you were either there at that time or were involved. And that had partially to do with my comfort level. When I see a gal I don't want some dude there or hanging around outside or in his vehicle.
But I would like to read the answer to Admin2 question he asked you. Also it seemed like your avoiding answering this question and I don't know why. And I'll restate this so you don't think I am attacking you here, I trust the info that you give as it has been very helpful and useful. Here is the Admin2 question.
I guess I'm just wondering why you seem to be the only one that can promote these providers and they can't do it for themselves. Why can't they run their own ads and manage their own schedule? I'm really curious and I suspect some other guys are as well though I can't speak for them. Care to illuminate us?
A2.
[QUOTE=Milwpussyhound;2283786]I think I understand where you are at Johnkat111, but I would have to agree with Tommy on his statement. You have given me and I'm sure others plenty of good info but it seems like your pimping these girls even though I don't think you are. I have not seen two girls because you were either there at that time or were involved. And that had partially to do with my comfort level. When I see a gal I don't want some dude there or hanging around outside or in his vehicle.
But I would like to read the answer to Admin2 question he asked you. Also it seemed like your avoiding answering this question and I don't know why. And I'll restate this so you don't think I am attacking you here, I trust the info that you give as it has been very helpful and useful. Here is the Admin2 question.
I guess I'm just wondering why you seem to be the only one that can promote these providers and they can't do it for themselves. Why can't they run their own ads and manage their own schedule? I'm really curious and I suspect some other guys are as well though I can't speak for them. Care to illuminate us?
A2.[/QUOTE]Two points I would like to make:
1. JohnKat has been pretty good to me over the years with info and suggestions. Honest and he has not pushed me in a situation that I questioned afterwards.
2. Sometimes you do fall a bit for some of the girls. I know that firsthand and all of a sudden you are doing extras for them even when you realize that they might be playing you. Ego? But it does happen and I think that JK might have a relationship with one like this. We all live a pretty good life compared to most of these girls and do feel sorry for some of them. This might be the case here.
Lets be easy on JK, he really is a good guy.
[QUOTE=Milwpussyhound;2283786]I think I understand where you are at Johnkat111, but I would have to agree with Tommy on his statement. You have given me and I'm sure others plenty of good info but it seems like your pimping these girls even though I don't think you are. I have not seen two girls because you were either there at that time or were involved. And that had partially to do with my comfort level. When I see a gal I don't want some dude there or hanging around outside or in his vehicle.
But I would like to read the answer to Admin2 question he asked you. Also it seemed like your avoiding answering this question and I don't know why. And I'll restate this so you don't think I am attacking you here, I trust the info that you give as it has been very helpful and useful. Here is the Admin2 question.
I guess I'm just wondering why you seem to be the only one that can promote these providers and they can't do it for themselves. Why can't they run their own ads and manage their own schedule? I'm really curious and I suspect some other guys are as well though I can't speak for them. Care to illuminate us?
A2.[/QUOTE]Jasmine is a provider who is very difficult to get an appointment with. She always works Friday afternonns and Saturday mornings. The fact that she posted on a Monday I thought was significant enough to mention on the board. Amanda often does threesomes when one of her friends drop by. Two of them make for a worthwhile mongering experiences and two of them do not. I did not investigate to see who the friend was. I think I explained Gia except for admitting that I got way too involved with her and her situation.
I think I am OK with Jackson now but if you are seeing me wandering around the parking lot while mongering I would suggest putting me immediately on your ignore list and the next time it happens call a silver alert so someone can take me back to the home. That goes for any others who see me hiding under their bed or peeking in their windows.
When I "promote" someone, I'm telling the board that I had a really good time with a really good provider. In the past I have promoted Jasmine, Lynn Fairview, Torry, Angela / Brittany, Mandy Love, Gia, Stefani from Rockfort, Nina, CL Jenna, and Bianca. I was wrong on two girls named Jenna and Alissa, who showed me an atypically good time on the first visit. I have given negative reports on Holly, Temptation, Amber, Brooke (not Gia), and Katy May. My reviews are all documented on this site. If anybody has a problem with my ability to evaluate providers, that is what the ignore list is for.
[QUOTE=Johnkat111;2283830]Jasmine is a provider who is very difficult to get an appointment with. She always works Friday afternonns and Saturday mornings. The fact that she posted on a Monday I thought was significant enough to mention on the board. Amanda often does threesomes when one of her friends drop by. Two of them make for a worthwhile mongering experiences and two of them do not. I did not investigate to see who the friend was. I think I explained Gia except for admitting that I got way too involved with her and her situation.
I think I am OK with Jackson now but if you are seeing me wandering around the parking lot while mongering I would suggest putting me immediately on your ignore list and the next time it happens call a silver alert so someone can take me back to the home. That goes for any others who see me hiding under their bed or peeking in their windows.
When I "promote" someone, I'm telling the board that I had a really good time with a really good provider. In the past I have promoted Jasmine, Lynn Fairview, Torry, Angela / Brittany, Mandy Love, Gia, Stefani from Rockfort, Nina, CL Jenna, and Bianca. I was wrong on two girls named Jenna and Alissa, who showed me an atypically good time on the first visit. I have given negative reports on Holly, Temptation, Amber, Brooke (not Gia), and Katy May. My reviews are all documented on this site. If anybody has a problem with my ability to evaluate providers, that is what the ignore list is for.[/QUOTE][BLUE]This is in blue, it's A2 the godlike presence on the forum not me the monger talking.
You have never spoken to Jackson, I am not he. In principle I think we have come to an understanding, however I would like to make sure.
This is promoting;
"Hey guys, chick X will be at my place on Thursday between 6 and midnight, she does Y really well. PM me for appointments."
This is reviewing;
"Hey guys, I just fucked chick X and she does Y really well. You should get a hold of her for an appointment."
Promoting=bad, you need to stop doing that. Reviews=good, you can do as many of these as you wish.
If you can't see the difference between them I don't know what to do next because it's evident to me and I can't explain it any clearer.
To the rest of you guys, renting a room to a monger or chick doesn't make him anymore a pimp than a guy who owns a notel. He's nowhere near the only guy on the forum that does that. The problem comes when the person renting the room gets involved with the appointments.
Hopefully this puts an end to this.
A2 (the guy who isn't Jackson)[/BLUE]
[QUOTE=Waldo999;2283813]Two points I would like to make:
1. JohnKat has been pretty good to me over the years with info and suggestions. Honest and he has not pushed me in a situation that I questioned afterwards.
2. Sometimes you do fall a bit for some of the girls. I know that firsthand and all of a sudden you are doing extras for them even when you realize that they might be playing you. Ego? But it does happen and I think that JK might have a relationship with one like this. We all live a pretty good life compared to most of these girls and do feel sorry for some of them. This might be the case here.
Lets be easy on JK, he really is a good guy.[/QUOTE]Hey Waldo, I am taking it easy on JK. I even said he gives great reliable info. So Waldo, why are you quoting me and then saying to take it easy on him? I know this already. I would still like to read his answer to the Admin2 question. I don't concider that unreasonable or being hard on him.
What is going on here is just nuts. JohnKat may have good intentions in supplying a nice safe location. He is providing a service to mongers who perhaps can't afford a motel, or just don't want to pay for a room that they only use for an hour or so, or worry about going to a girl's incall for safety reasons. And maybe the girls are throwing him a few bones. I can't say but certainly the impression is there. But what is happening here is extremely risky. And for what reward? We all take a risk when we pick up a streetwalker for example. The risk is the girl and possibly her pimp, and also the police. We weigh the risks and the reward and gamble. Most times we get away with it. Other times it is cash and dash, poor service, or if really a bad day, we get arrested. But if arrested, we may be able to get out of it but even if not, it is a misdemeanor. But setting your house / apartment up as a house of prostitution is a felony. If those girls are ever arrested for anything, drugs, prostitution, etc does anyone think that they would NOT give up JohnKat to the police in return for a lighter sentence because JohnKat is a nice guy? Would they tell the police they were paying JohnKat? Or if JohnKat pissed someone off they could easily report him to the police. And my impression was that the location is West Allis. Never been to JohnKats but West Allis is a bedroom community of single family homes. Neighbors watch what is going on. And will report what is going on. And West Allis PD is the kind that would act on the complaint.
My neighbors would certainly wonder what an old guy like me is doing walking into my house with a hot 20 something.
So if JohnKat is aware of the problems, aware of the risks and rewards, then I can only shake my head and say "Good Luck".
Here is the info on Wisconsin Law.
[URL]http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/state-crime/pandering-laws-wisconsin.htm[/URL]
Pimping and Pandering.
In Wisconsin it is also illegal to:
Pimp (make money from a prostitutes earnings).
Pander (facilitate prostitution, including maintaining a house of prostitution), and solicit or entice someone to become a prostitute.
Ex is. Stat. Ann. 944.32, -33 & -34; & 948.07.).
Punishment.
The penalties for the crimes described above vary according to the offense, and whether or not a minor was involved.
Pimping and pandering.
Pimping is a Class F felony, which incurs a fine of up to $25,000, up to 12 years and six months in prison, or both.
Pandering is a Class A misdemeanor, and incurs a fine of up to $10,000, up to nine months in jail, or both.
It is a Class H felony to solicit or entice someone to become a prostitute, or to keep a house of prostitution. Penalties include a fine of up to $10,000, up to six years in prison, or both.
For a definition of a house of prostitution see [URL]http://definitions.uslegal.com/h/house-of-prostitution/[/URL].
[QUOTE=Travlnmn;2283996]What is going on here is just nuts. JohnKat may have good intentions in supplying a nice safe location. He is providing a service to mongers who perhaps can't afford a motel, or just don't want to pay for a room that they only use for an hour or so, or worry about going to a girl's incall for safety reasons. And maybe the girls are throwing him a few bones. I can't say but certainly the impression is there. But what is happening here is extremely risky. And for what reward? We all take a risk when we pick up a streetwalker for example. The risk is the girl and possibly her pimp, and also the police. We weigh the risks and the reward and gamble. Most times we get away with it. Other times it is cash and dash, poor service, or if really a bad day, we get arrested. But if arrested, we may be able to get out of it but even if not, it is a misdemeanor. But setting your house / apartment up as a house of prostitution is a felony. If those girls are ever arrested for anything, drugs, prostitution, etc does anyone think that they would NOT give up JohnKat to the police in return for a lighter sentence because JohnKat is a nice guy? Would they tell the police they were paying JohnKat? Or if JohnKat pissed someone off they could easily report him to the police. And my impression was that the location is West Allis. Never been to JohnKats but West Allis is a bedroom community of single family homes. Neighbors watch what is going on. And will report what is going on. And West Allis PD is the kind that would act on the complaint.
My neighbors would certainly wonder what an old guy like me is doing walking into my house with a hot 20 something.
So if JohnKat is aware of the problems, aware of the risks and rewards, then I can only shake my head and say "Good Luck".
Here is the info on Wisconsin Law.
[URL]http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/state-crime/pandering-laws-wisconsin.htm[/URL]
Pimping and Pandering.
In Wisconsin it is also illegal to:
Pimp (make money from a prostitutes earnings).
Pander (facilitate prostitution, including maintaining a house of prostitution), and solicit or entice someone to become a prostitute.
Ex is. Stat. Ann. 944.32, -33 & -34; & 948.07.).
Punishment.
The penalties for the crimes described above vary according to the offense, and whether or not a minor was involved.
Pimping and pandering.
Pimping is a Class F felony, which incurs a fine of up to $25,000, up to 12 years and six months in prison, or both.
Pandering is a Class A misdemeanor, and incurs a fine of up to $10,000, up to nine months in jail, or both.
It is a Class H felony to solicit or entice someone to become a prostitute, or to keep a house of prostitution. Penalties include a fine of up to $10,000, up to six years in prison, or both.
For a definition of a house of prostitution see [URL]http://definitions.uslegal.com/h/house-of-prostitution/[/URL].[/QUOTE]As a result of this post, the number of guys bringing girls over to my house has been reduced from eight (including me) to zero (including me). Perhaps providing LE with my exact address and date and time of any future appt would have made things easier on them. I only have a core group of guys that I let use my house. A core group of guys refers to a guy like Milwaukee Steve who has used my name in the past to get an appointment with a provider. Within twelve hours of his appt, I get a nice text from the provider thanking me for the referral and telling me what a nice friend I have. I have referred a guy to CL Jenna who stiffed her for $100. I referred a guy to Torry who, in the heat of passion, promised her an extra $250 for BB Anal. After they finished, he went out to his car to get the money and never came back. Thee are guys that have asked for 25% discounts because they popped 45 minutes into a 60 minute appt. I tried to add guys to my core group which is shring due to attrition, but have only managed to increase my ignore list instead. I don't really care where and whern my core group sees any new UTR provider. I just want the assholes to stay away.
[blue]Smart move, crossing your real life with this dream world is rarely a good idea.
A2[/blue]
[QUOTE=Milwpussyhound;2283982]Hey Waldo, I am taking it easy on JK. I even said he gives great reliable info. So Waldo, why are you quoting me and then saying to take it easy on him? I know this already. I would still like to read his answer to the Admin2 question. I don't concider that unreasonable or being hard on him.[/QUOTE]I agree completely!
[QUOTE=Waldo999;2284684]I agree completely![/QUOTE]It is apparent that I have upset some people by "promoting" providers. In the past when I have been with a provider with a hot body that I had a good time with I would ask her if I can take some pictures. I would then tell her that my plans were to send the pictures privately to guys I knew were in the same hobby as I. I would then post about my experience asking interested seniors and contributing members to send me their email address. I would then email them the pics. Most often, the pics wouldn't be allowed till a level of trust was establiched with the provider possibly the third or fourth date. As a result, I often would have a post about a good experience with a good provider and a follow up post about the pictures. I will now limit myself to the initial post only.
[QUOTE=Johnkat111;2284990]It is apparent that I have upset some people by "promoting" providers. In the past when I have been with a provider with a hot body that I had a good time with I would ask her if I can take some pictures. I would then tell her that my plans were to send the pictures privately to guys I knew were in the same hobby as I. I would then post about my experience asking interested seniors and contributing members to send me their email address. I would then email them the pics. Most often, the pics wouldn't be allowed till a level of trust was establiched with the provider possibly the third or fourth date. As a result, I often would have a post about a good experience with a good provider and a follow up post about the pictures. I will now limit myself to the initial post only.[/QUOTE]Nothing you're saying here is beyond reporting a good experience. You can do this all you want. Send the pic. If the guy writes you back and says "hey she's hot, I want to see her" then ship him her contact info (not on the forum) and wash your hands of it.
The issue I have with you or anybody else is AFTER they say "Hey I want to see her" and the guy stays involved. It's especially bad if the guy is the SOLE way that other guys can get to her.
You know I respect you and we've talked a lot. I'm not going to get sucked into taking sides here, I think all that's being said is don't say " is a great fuck and will be available at a safe location tomorrow. Contact ME to make an appt. " The "ME" appears to be the problem here. Let them contact the provider directly.
[QUOTE=Stallis;2286569]. Contact ME to make an appt. " The "ME" appears to be the problem here. Let them contact the provider directly.[/QUOTE]Dead nutz right on. And let the girls do their own promoting.
[QUOTE=ScooterAllCity;2286575]Dead nutz right on. And let the girls do their own promoting.[/QUOTE]You guys are right. She makes her own appointments. I just provide digits.
[blue]Perfect, glad we could work it out.
A2[/blue]
Well we have all seen the "100% me or free" postings. Then there are the "1000% me or free" postings. Last week I even saw a few 10,000% me postings and even one!,000,000% me posting. And of course all of the postings had phoney pics. So, I was wondering if anyone has ever clipped the coupon and gotten a free visit. The one that really made me chuckle was the lady that posted if it was not her in the pics you got 75% off the quoted rate. Lmfao.
And then I was pondering why they call this a "hobby"? I thought hobbies were supposed to be fun. This "hobby" is more like work and certainly provides more irritation and frustration than fun. Oh well. Maybe I will tae up a new fun hobby, something like spoon collecting. OFG over and out Hope everyone is having fun and a great week.
I believe there comes a point where an addict stops using drugs and the drugs start using the addict. I believe that if someone gave Gia a wad of cash large enough to travel to another town and set up a pimpless existence, she would instead head for her dealers house where she would be dead of an overdose within three days. Although I believe all pimps should be strung up by the balls untill they are dead, I returned Gia to her pimp because there is not a doubt in my mind that it is her only chance for survival.
[QUOTE=OlderFunGuy;2293489]Well we have all seen the "100% me or free" postings. Then there are the "1000% me or free" postings. Last week I even saw a few 10,000% me postings and even one!,000,000% me posting. And of course all of the postings had phoney pics. So, I was wondering if anyone has ever clipped the coupon and gotten a free visit. The one that really made me chuckle was the lady that posted if it was not her in the pics you got 75% off the quoted rate. Lmfao.
And then I was pondering why they call this a "hobby"? I thought hobbies were supposed to be fun. This "hobby" is more like work and certainly provides more irritation and frustration than fun. Oh well. Maybe I will tae up a new fun hobby, something like spoon collecting. OFG over and out Hope everyone is having fun and a great week.[/QUOTE]You know the thing where you plan a vacation for months and months? It turns out, that's actually where most of the pleasure from a vacation occurs--in the planning.
That's probably also true for weddings. All sorts of intricate planning--for one day of ridiculous insanity that all by itself who could possibly enjoy?
Same thing with the hobby. Embrace the hunt. All the ins and outs and what have yous. There's very little to it besides that--that is worth experiencing, that is.
[QUOTE=Popeyemadison;2300040]You know the thing where you plan a vacation for months and months? It turns out, that's actually where most of the pleasure from a vacation occurs--in the planning.
That's probably also true for weddings. All sorts of intricate planning--for one day of ridiculous insanity that all by itself who could possibly enjoy?
Same thing with the hobby. Embrace the hunt. All the ins and outs and what have yous. There's very little to it besides that--that is worth experiencing, that is.[/QUOTE]Point well taken and I agree Sometimes even a blind squirrel finds a nut!
I was driving past the airport and at Motel 6 there was a squad car and it appeared to be an undercover vehicle also. Some guy was being put into the squad car. Don't know if it was a bust or something else.
A little over a year ago I found myself single again. Approaching my mid 40's I was certainly in no hurry to jump into another relationship but I also wasn't celibate either. I had placed a few ads on CL and had my experiences with mongering here and there. Around this time last year I had placed a CL ad for "maid services". This is where I met my UTR girl, Tina. She was looking for a little extra money for the holidays and it only took a few emails for her to realize what I wanted.
I was pleasantly suprised when she arrived at my place, 35 ish, brunette, nice body with a little baby fat, great titties. I played it as cool as I could, we had some drinks and relaxed while talking. She was divorced, 3 kids, worked as an office manager, etc. She had never answered. An ad like mine before (aren't they ALL virgins? LOL) but she wanted to give her kids a nice Christmas. Seeing as we were being so open I asked her point blank if she used drugs. She admitted that she liked a little weed on occasion but she wasnt into anything else. She asked if I would mind if she had a little smoke before we got started. Soon the fun began.
This woman was awesome! I don't think I'd ever had such an incredible BJ before and she was surprisingly tight for having 3 kids. She stayed more than 3 hours and the only thing she was specific about was no anal play. I could tell she was enjoying herself as much as I was. I'm positive she came 4 times, or was a hell of an actress. I slipped 200 into her purse before she left.
She became my regular thing. We would email or text here and there to see if our schedules worked. In the first two months I probably saw her 8 times. On weekends when she didn't have her kids she would stay the night and would fuck like teenagers (thank you Viagra) I started buying lingerie for her to wear for me, which she gladly did. After 3 months of our trysts she willingly gave up the back door and seemed to enjoy it. I'd make her breakfast and we got along great. I started thinking that this was better than a relationship. She never seemed to want more than a physical relationship and a little extra money.
Fast forward to this past June or July. The sex was still good but she started to seem distracted. She wasn't as interested in hooking up and it was happening less and less frequent. I figured that she. Either had found a better deal or perhaps met someone.
This past Saturday I get a text from her asking if I was interested in playing. I told her I was. She arrived at 6 ish, we sat in my hot tub and had some drinks and got started. She excused herself to use the bathroom and I sat and sipped my scotch. After about 10 minutes I hear her car start and she leaves. I ran in the house and found that she had cleaned my wallet out of 150.00 and grabbed my big change jar from my dresser (maybe 50 in change). She left a note on the dresser saying she was sorry.
After all of the advice about "keeping pets" from Lefty and the like, I found I had fallen into the trap. I never old have guessed she'd steal from me like that but anything is possible in this crazy world.
It's too bad. She was one I could have kept.
Roland.
[QUOTE=RolandDeschain;2301443]A little over a year ago I found myself single again. Approaching my mid 40's I was certainly in no hurry to jump into another relationship but I also wasn't celibate either. I had placed a few ads on CL and had my experiences with mongering here and there. Around this time last year I had placed a CL ad for "maid services". This is where I met my UTR girl, Tina. She was looking for a little extra money for the holidays and it only took a few emails for her to realize what I wanted.
I was pleasantly suprised when she arrived at my place, 35 ish, brunette, nice body with a little baby fat, great titties. I played it as cool as I could, we had some drinks and relaxed while talking. She was divorced, 3 kids, worked as an office manager, etc. She had never answered. An ad like mine before (aren't they ALL virgins? LOL) but she wanted to give her kids a nice Christmas. Seeing as we were being so open I asked her point blank if she used drugs. She admitted that she liked a little weed on occasion but she wasnt into anything else. She asked if I would mind if she had a little smoke before we got started. Soon the fun began.
This woman was awesome! I don't think I'd ever had such an incredible BJ before and she was surprisingly tight for having 3 kids. She stayed more than 3 hours and the only thing she was specific about was no anal play. I could tell she was enjoying herself as much as I was. I'm positive she came 4 times, or was a hell of an actress. I slipped 200 into her purse before she left.
She became my regular thing. We would email or text here and there to see if our schedules worked. In the first two months I probably saw her 8 times. On weekends when she didn't have her kids she would stay the night and would fuck like teenagers (thank you Viagra) I started buying lingerie for her to wear for me, which she gladly did. After 3 months of our trysts she willingly gave up the back door and seemed to enjoy it. I'd make her breakfast and we got along great. I started thinking that this was better than a relationship. She never seemed to want more than a physical relationship and a little extra money.
Fast forward to this past June or July. The sex was still good but she started to seem distracted. She wasn't as interested in hooking up and it was happening less and less frequent. I figured that she. Either had found a better deal or perhaps met someone.
This past Saturday I get a text from her asking if I was interested in playing. I told her I was. She arrived at 6 ish, we sat in my hot tub and had some drinks and got started. She excused herself to use the bathroom and I sat and sipped my scotch. After about 10 minutes I hear her car start and she leaves. I ran in the house and found that she had cleaned my wallet out of 150.00 and grabbed my big change jar from my dresser (maybe 50 in change). She left a note on the dresser saying she was sorry.
After all of the advice about "keeping pets" from Lefty and the like, I found I had fallen into the trap. I never old have guessed she'd steal from me like that but anything is possible in this crazy world.
It's too bad. She was one I could have kept.
Roland.[/QUOTE]Thats sad. Worse yet, why would she burn your for such a small amount when now ruins a friendship and continued cash flow. All she would have to do is spend another 30 minutes with you and she'd have what she wanted and not ruin a good thing. My advice is if you are going to have a UTR like that you need to know more about them than they know about you. Name, address, phone, and all their relatives. Even though I trust my UTRs, I do keep my wallet out of site, locked up. The only cash I keep is what they will be getting and I put it in a different place each time. There are time I haven't and it turned out ok. But thanks to your story I'm going start being more careful again, despite that both of my UTRs seem fairly trustworthy and drug free.
[QUOTE=LookingForLefty;2301486]Thats sad. Worse yet, why would she burn your for such a small amount when now ruins a friendship and continued cash flow. All she would have to do is spend another 30 minutes with you and she'd have what she wanted and not ruin a good thing. My advice is if you are going to have a UTR like that you need to know more about them than they know about you. Name, address, phone, and all their relatives. Even though I trust my UTRs, I do keep my wallet out of site, locked up. The only cash I keep is what they will be getting and I put it in a different place each time. There are time I haven't and it turned out ok. But thanks to your story I'm going start being more careful again, despite that both of my UTRs seem fairly trustworthy and drug free.[/QUOTE]I did know her info. Full name, address, etc. I just chalk it up to a bad experience. She had never given me any reason to not trust her so I let my guard down.
[QUOTE=LookingForLefty;2301486]Thats sad. Worse yet, why would she burn your for such a small amount when now ruins a friendship and continued cash flow. All she would have to do is spend another 30 minutes with you and she'd have what she wanted and not ruin a good thing. My advice is if you are going to have a UTR like that you need to know more about them than they know about you. Name, address, phone, and all their relatives. Even though I trust my UTRs, I do keep my wallet out of site, locked up. The only cash I keep is what they will be getting and I put it in a different place each time. There are time I haven't and it turned out ok. But thanks to your story I'm going start being more careful again, despite that both of my UTRs seem fairly trustworthy and drug free.[/QUOTE]I'm sure Roland became comfortable with her after awhile and treated her more as a friend than a working girl. I've done the same with one woman a few years back. I think she wanted out of this relationship and thought that if she steals from him he'll want no part of her anymore. After that amount of time the monetary damages could have been a lot worse if she wanted to steal prior. Sad none the less.
[QUOTE=ScooterAllCity;2301552]I'm sure Roland became comfortable with her after awhile and treated her more as a friend than a working girl. I've done the same with one woman a few years back. I think she wanted out of this relationship and thought that if she steals from him he'll want no part of her anymore. After that amount of time the monetary damages could have been a lot worse if she wanted to steal prior. Sad none the less.[/QUOTE]Scooter hit it right on the head. We had been "seeing" each other for almost a year and she had been to my place many many times so I trusted her. She was more of a Fwb than UTR, hell as far as I know I was the only guy she was with. For me it's not even the money, it's more that I could have "gone legit" with this one if she had hinted that way. She was truly a sweet woman. I felt like I was paying her for her time but not paying her for sex. She always enjoyed herself as well as I did.
Oh well. I'll give it the obligatory 1 week mourning period and then get back on the horse.
Roland.
[QUOTE=RolandDeschain;2301443]A little over a year ago I found myself single again. Approaching my mid 40's I was certainly in no hurry to jump into another relationship but I also wasn't celibate either. I had placed a few ads on CL and had my experiences with mongering here and there. Around this time last year I had placed a CL ad for "maid services". This is where I met my UTR girl, Tina. She was looking for a little extra money for the holidays and it only took a few emails for her to realize what I wanted.
I was pleasantly suprised when she arrived at my place, 35 ish, brunette, nice body with a little baby fat, great titties. I played it as cool as I could, we had some drinks and relaxed while talking. She was divorced, 3 kids, worked as an office manager, etc. She had never answered. An ad like mine before (aren't they ALL virgins? LOL) but she wanted to give her kids a nice Christmas. Seeing as we were being so open I asked her point blank if she used drugs. She admitted that she liked a little weed on occasion but she wasnt into anything else. She asked if I would mind if she had a little smoke before we got started. Soon the fun began.
This woman was awesome! I don't think I'd ever had such an incredible BJ before and she was surprisingly tight for having 3 kids. She stayed more than 3 hours and the only thing she was specific about was no anal play. I could tell she was enjoying herself as much as I was. I'm positive she came 4 times, or was a hell of an actress. I slipped 200 into her purse before she left.
She became my regular thing. We would email or text here and there to see if our schedules worked. In the first two months I probably saw her 8 times. On weekends when she didn't have her kids she would stay the night and would fuck like teenagers (thank you Viagra) I started buying lingerie for her to wear for me, which she gladly did. After 3 months of our trysts she willingly gave up the back door and seemed to enjoy it. I'd make her breakfast and we got along great. I started thinking that this was better than a relationship. She never seemed to want more than a physical relationship and a little extra money.
Fast forward to this past June or July. The sex was still good but she started to seem distracted. She wasn't as interested in hooking up and it was happening less and less frequent. I figured that she. Either had found a better deal or perhaps met someone.
This past Saturday I get a text from her asking if I was interested in playing. I told her I was. She arrived at 6 ish, we sat in my hot tub and had some drinks and got started. She excused herself to use the bathroom and I sat and sipped my scotch. After about 10 minutes I hear her car start and she leaves. I ran in the house and found that she had cleaned my wallet out of 150.00 and grabbed my big change jar from my dresser (maybe 50 in change). She left a note on the dresser saying she was sorry.
After all of the advice about "keeping pets" from Lefty and the like, I found I had fallen into the trap. I never old have guessed she'd steal from me like that but anything is possible in this crazy world.
It's too bad. She was one I could have kept.
Roland.[/QUOTE]From what you describe here, I'd have been shocked to have that happen. Sounds like she not only blew a good thing, but must have picked up a bad habit. That's what usually omits logic from the equation.
[QUOTE=RolandDeschain;2301985]Scooter hit it right on the head. We had been "seeing" each other for almost a year and she had been to my place many many times so I trusted her. She was more of a Fwb than UTR, hell as far as I know I was the only guy she was with. For me it's not even the money, it's more that I could have "gone legit" with this one if she had hinted that way. She was truly a sweet woman. I felt like I was paying her for her time but not paying her for sex. She always enjoyed herself as well as I did.
Oh well. I'll give it the obligatory 1 week mourning period and then get back on the horse.
Roland.[/QUOTE]You have definitely been hurt. We are all vulnerable to women at times. I'm sure there is her side of the story. Such as a new BF and so what if she get another $150 severance check. She found a new sugar daddy she can fuck over that has more money than you. I can see the exact same thing happening to me so thanks for sharing. All of us need to do a reality check now and then. When you have a UTR staying over, she's having a great time, you're preparing breakfast, and treating her like a woman, gentle and kind. She's young and hot and you are an old fat dude (not saying anyone is). Whats wrong with the picture? You're banging this sweet thing and she has just cum for the 4th time. Yeah, sure she has. You paid for a show and your are getting it. At some level you want to believe she did cum and likes it. Maybe she did enjoy it. Just not as much as she let on. I've had them spend the night. They stayed because I have a nice warm house with a gas fireplace. They have a roach infested dump with chain smoking drug using roommates. Yeah the loved breakfast. Because it was homemade and not frozen waffles. A woman who cares about you will fuck you for free. No one gives a shit about me, I know. They love my money. They might like me, but they really wouldn't be there for me if I needed a friend. But I'd probably be there for them.
I got free massages now and then. Maybe once outright on my birthday from and indie. A few for helping some Asian with limited English solve some problems. Never once has an escort every said its free and wanted an exclusive relationship. I'd never be so whipped I would dare to ask nor would I want that. Sometimes I ask myself would I want to be seen with this woman in a public place? Even most of the hot ones I would say no. They are ok to fuck on your floor with the lights dim but you would see a lot of faults as soon as you had them in public. Would she want to be seen with me? Is that you're dad? Is that your daughter? So looks like we won't go there. I've been told I'm the best in bed, the best DATY ever, I'm so handsome, you're like my best friend, you'd make a great boyfriend, you treat me so good. But never a free one on the house.
[QUOTE=LookingForLefty;2302071]I'm so handsome, you're like my best friend, you'd make a great boyfriend, you treat me so good. But never a free one on the house.[/QUOTE]These girls all have something they are supporting and even if they do like you enough to throw you a free ride those other needs don't take the day off.
[QUOTE=JackFlack;2302095]These girls all have something they are supporting and even if they do like you enough to throw you a free ride those other needs don't take the day off.[/QUOTE]A lot of the UTRs have been in bad relationships and abused. From what I hear from the women, many in the monger community and kind, gentle men who treat these women pretty well. They lay there and get paid while at the same time, get spoiled with genuine affection. How many of you have gone the extra mile to give one of these women some real pleasure before thinking of your own? A lot I know. Some of you guys are some real studs. A lot of legit women would be lucky to have you. Imagine if you just put 50% of what you put into pleasing some of these UTRs and escorts into pleasing a wife or girlfriend? Those wives and girlfriends would be quite happy. I've never had a real girlfriend for any length of time nor have I been on many real dates. I'm the guy at the movies who is by himself. After about an hour I really can't deal with being with someone. Even the one's I am super attracted to, a hour is all I can put up with. I've had all nighters and I've even kept pets around for a few weeks. Not often and none of them are around now.
What I hear from women is that the 50 year old fat dude knows his way around a clit and G spot than the 25 year old stud the meet at a bar. And you give it 150% when its a 22 year old spinner instead of 50 year old 200 lb Ethel back home.
This sow belly has been hanging around for a long time and keeps promising to leave damn, find a cargo plane and get her out of here!! Anyhow, I can't imagine that any guy would be hard up enuf to see someone like this, or for that matter, half of the cows that post on BP [ATTACH=CONFIG]360727[/ATTACH] Just ranting! Thank you.
Couple of points to make about the rash of full mailboxes we have seen recently:
1. I learned the hard way that your Sent Mail counts toward your 100 pm maximum. I kept getting full mail box warnings even though I maintained a minimal amount of received pm's. It was only after I started cleaning out my Sent items that I could stay comfortably under 100.
2. You don't have to post a message about full mail boxes. Our fearless administrator sends an email to anyone that has a pm bounce.
[QUOTE=OlderFunGuy;2329363]This sow belly has been hanging around for a long time and keeps promising to leave damn, find a cargo plane and get her out of here!! Anyhow, I can't imagine that any guy would be hard up enuf to see someone like this, or for that matter, half of the cows that post on BP [ATTACH=CONFIG]360727[/ATTACH] Just ranting! Thank you.[/QUOTE]Hey OFG interestingly enough last week she was down in Waukegan and received this review:
Mmaforever.
Senior Member.
Natalie in waukegan.
I saw this girl this morning. Her face is a spitting image of Miley Cyrus. But she's a big girl! But her pics don't hide or lie her pics spot on. Great personality and great head game. I was not there for FS. Her face is beautiful and she's very open. She let me take a phone video for extra 20 for later viewing.
[QUOTE=Jkbald;2346398]Hey OFG interestingly enough last week she was down in Waukegan and received this review:
Mmaforever.
Senior Member.
Natalie in waukegan.
I saw this girl this morning. Her face is a spitting image of Miley Cyrus. But she's a big girl! But her pics don't hide or lie her pics spot on. Great personality and great head game. I was not there for FS. Her face is beautiful and she's very open. She let me take a phone video for extra 20 for later viewing.[/QUOTE]Cool I guess I didn't notice that they could pass for identical twins my mistake [ATTACH=CONFIG]363089[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]363090[/ATTACH].