Safe Sex Information and Advice

[QUOTE=Seva Lurker]There is a relative 'newbie', 20 posts as I write this, on the Ohio boards bragging about being able to tell if a girl is clean or not just by looking at her.[/QUOTE]It is just such ideas that keep STDs circulating.

Unfortunately, there are people who are not amenable to reason, and who are loathe to allow facts to change their minds.

When people hold such patently ignorant beliefs I find it best to give them wide berth. While it may be useful to challenge such assertions for the record, it's probably best not to argue too much with those propagating them. They are likely beyond hope.

D

Seva Lurker- 1 in 1000 per exposure is about accurate for insertive vaginal intercourse. I dont creampie ladies who use needles or look gross. Yes, I have caught chlamydia once. The last time I was tested was 2 weeks ago, negative of course. My "occupation" requires blood testing for HIV and hepatitis as well as urine screens.

Soon with medical science, we will be able to have unprotected sex with zero consequences. We have a vaccine for genital warts and a herpes vaccine is a couple years away.

Check out "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS" by Michael Fumento. You can buy it for 10 bucks on ebay. Especially the chapter "The Prostitute Paradox". Anyhow, it came out in 1990 but since then everything the guy said would and wouldnt happen has come true. This book is just as useful now as it was then.

If he is wrong, then where are all these heterosexuals dying of AIDS? I asked everyone I knew if they knew anyone who died of AIDS or had AIDS. Their answers were either "No" or "I knew one, and he was gay."

Not all who have HIV/AIDS (or any STD) know it. Many have never been tested.

People with negative results on a recent test may still be positive.

Not all who know they are HIV or STD positive will tell others or use protection.

Not all injected drug users show obvious track marks.

Young women who appear healthy and are "pretty" or "cute" are not guaranteed to be disease-free.

If a SW allows BBFS, she might easily have had [b]hundreds[/b] or [b]thousands[/b] of risky contacts before you, and even without needle use, she may well be infected. Your odds of contracting a disease from a likely-infected person are [b]much[/b] higher than from a random stranger.

Even if the odds of contracting AIDS are very low for a [b]single[/b] contact, they are obviously higher for multiple contacts: e.g., 10 contacts ==> odds are 10 X higher; 100 contacts ==> odds are 100 X higher, etc.

Even if a person's odds of contracting AIDS are very low, the disease is still incurable, extremely expensive to treat, and possibly fatal. Would you play Russian roulette even once if your odds of dying were [b]"only"[/b] 1 in 1000?

Many people who die of AIDS have a different cause of death listed.

People selling their bodies have a host of problems, possibly including poor self-image, abuse, mental instability, lack of education, inadequate nutrition, poor or non-existent medical care, drug use, disease, criminal activity, and unsafe behavior of all sorts. Having sex with such individuals is risky business, even with protection.

People who have unprotected sex with SWs are endangering public health.

Those who [b]advocate[/b] or [b]defend[/b] unprotected risky sex are a menace to society.

D

"Rates of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) have risen for the second year in a row in the United States, according to a new report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)."

[url]http://www.hivandhepatitis.com/recent/2007/112007_c.html[/url]

"So, basically what we are going to do here is talk about STDs. How many STDs do you think you could name? Well, the reason I ask is because most people can name about eight, six to eight. There are more than 25 sexually transmitted diseases out there."

"If you get gonorrhea, chlamydia -- and at the same time you come into contact with someone with HIV while you have that disease -- your chance of getting HIV goes up."

[url]http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5736221[/url]

"STDs can have serious consequences, including infertility, adverse effects on unborn children, and even death. An increased risk of cervical cancer has been linked with at least one type of STD. It is important to diagnose and treat STDs, both to preserve the health of the individual and to prevent the spread of the disease to others."

[url]http://www.sacdhhs.com/article.asp?ContentID=81[/url]

"Most people will be stunned to learn that STDs affect nearly 20 million Americans each year. This is an entirely preventable plague. Consistent use of condoms would prevent almost all cases of STDs, along with HIV and unintended pregnancies."

[url]http://www.revolutionhealth.com/articles/u.s.-chlamydia-infections-hit-all-time-high/hd-610033[/url]

"One of the factors that makes STDs so common is that most people with an STD don't even know that they are sick. It is not uncommon for someone to be infected but have no STD symptoms - in other words to be asymptomatic."

[url]http://std.about.com/od/overviewofstds/tp/toptenasymptom.htm[/url]

"Most bacterial STD are asymptomatic or unrecognized."

[url]http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102240665.html[/url]

"The human papilloma virus is thought to be one of the main causes of cervical cancer. It has also been linked with other types of cancers of the female reproductive system. While HPV can be treated to reduce the signs and symptoms, there is currently no cure for this virus."

HIV:"Many people may not realize they are infected, as the HIV virus is often asymptomatic for the first few years."

[url]http://www.epigee.org/guide/stds.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Hoho Creampie]Seva Lurker- 1 in 1000 per exposure is about accurate for insertive vaginal intercourse. I dont creampie ladies who use needles or look gross. Yes, I have caught chlamydia once. The last time I was tested was 2 weeks ago, negative of course. My "occupation" requires blood testing for HIV and hepatitis as well as urine screens.[/quote]

You are still missing the point. Even if she looks clean it does not mean that she is AND you are having insertive vaginal intercourse with women who have sex with numerous men for a living.

[QUOTE=Hoho Creampie] Soon with medical science, we will be able to have unprotected sex with zero consequences. We have a vaccine for genital warts and a herpes vaccine is a couple years away. [/quote]

So until then you'll play with your health. And you have mentioned nothing about other diseases, classified as STDs such as Hepatitis.

[QUOTE=Hoho Creampie]Check out "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS" by Michael Fumento. You can buy it for 10 bucks on ebay. Especially the chapter "The Prostitute Paradox". Anyhow, it came out in 1990 but since then everything the guy said would and wouldnt happen has come true. This book is just as useful now as it was then. [/quote]

Yes, you've quoted this before.

[QUOTE=Hoho Creampie]If he is wrong, then where are all these heterosexuals dying of AIDS? I asked everyone I knew if they knew anyone who died of AIDS or had AIDS. Their answers were either "No" or "I knew one, and he was gay."[/QUOTE]

Well if you look closely, they are there. Third world countries are a good source. In Thailand, [url=http://www.avert.org/aidsthai.htm]The majority of HIV infections (around 80%) occur through heterosexual sex[/url]. Or [url=http://www.who.int/inf-new/aids1.htm]check here[/url].

Just so you don't come back with well 'that's only Thailand' and you like to site a single source for your beliefs, try these as well

[url=http://www.avert.org/usastatg.htm]then look at the numbers of needle users versus sexual contact infections[/url].

[quote=cdc][url=http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/youth.htm]Heterosexual transmission.[/url] Young women, especially those of minority races or ethnicities, are increasingly at risk for HIV infection through heterosexual contact. According to data from a CDC study of HIV prevalence among disadvantaged youth during the early to mid-1990s, the rate of HIV prevalence among young women aged 16–21 was 50% higher than the rate among young men in that age group [5]. African American women in this study were 7 times as likely as white women and 8 times as likely as Hispanic women to be HIV-positive. Young women are at risk for sexually transmitted HIV for several reasons, including biologic vulnerability, lack of recognition of their partners’ risk factors, inequality in relationships, and having sex with older men who are more likely to be infected with HIV.[/quote]

Since 1981 nearly 25 million people have died, still less than the 1918 flu epidemic killed in six months, from HIV/AIDS related illnesses. Sex workers are an extremely high risk group.

Keep on living in your dream world. Then don't expect any sympathy when your luck runs out. I just hope your man enough to not become a number 1 in [post=631953]my post below[/post].

My opinion is you are an idiot who wouldn't move when a semi is getting ready to run you over because you're chances of it happening are too slim and some one wrote a book telling you so.

I keep reading reports of both providers and clients who claim to occasionally "forget" to have protection. Sometimes they say, "We went ahead and did it anyway." Some men even write that, "She says this is the first time she's done this."

Denial is so comforting. But risky.

How can a [b]reputable[/b] provider or client NOT have protection available [b]at all times?[/b] I wouldn't go anywhere without at least two condoms, and if the provider didn't have any, I'd certainly be loathe to repeat with her.

So, how does a guy with an SO at home explain a big box of condoms? Look, if it comes down to it, buy a locking brief case to store them in. Many people deal with sensitive material at work, such as trade secrets or sales strategies, and companies may require them to keep such media under lock-and-key.

D

A lot of the girls won't carry condoms, especially if they've been busted for prostitution in the past. Seems being ready is a crime, like have an alligator clip is drug paraphenalia.

I guess a condom is a signal of illegal activity to cops.

Now how to hide them from the SO is another issue. I don't have one, so I don't worry about it. :)

[QUOTE=Seva Lurker]A lot of the girls won't carry condoms, especially if they've been busted for prostitution in the past. I guess a condom is a signal of illegal activity to cops.[/QUOTE]As far as the cops are concerned, they wouldn't normally see the condoms until after the arrest is made.

In any case, if the courts use the presence of condoms as evidence against a provider, the medical community and all sensible people ought to really fight this.

In fact, where prostitution is illegal, legislation ought to provide for reduced penalties if the person charged had protection.

Criminalizing condoms endangers public health.

D

[QUOTE=Seva Lurker]

Perhaps the numbers appear to justify unprotected sex, but consider it this way. If the chance is 1 in 1000 of becoming infected, and the girl has just had sex with number 999, what are your odds now? [/QUOTE]

Um....the odds are still one in a thousand. Just like with the lottery. If the odds are one in ten million of winning, and you buy a ticket every week, the odds of any given ticket winning is still one in ten million.

Like HoHo said, does anyone know a straight non-Iv drug using guy with HIV? I've never heard of one. In King County where I live (population approximately 3 million) there were 3 cases of male heterosexual HIV last year.

Let's look at the facts. Syphilis, gonnorhea, and chlamydia are easily cured by antibiotics. HPV affects 80% of the population. If you've had sex a few times, even covered, you have it or have been exposed. There are vaccines for HEP A & B, and HEP C is not considered a sexually transmitted disease. HIV is extremely difficult to pass from female to male. Which leaves herpes, a disease that is easily controlled by taking one pill a day. If you get tested regularly you don't need to worry about having an asymptomatic illness.

So when you look at it rationally, there isn't a lot to worry about. I by the way, do practice safe sex, but can understand why some don't.

Doc G has pics galore and video. He travels to sex shows and give us his total feel and recap. Then you have a paper writing about you. You also feed the wonderful Sw's you run into. You would think thats enough but now Glenn61 is doing us one better and has turned into Doc G giving us up to date sexual protection information.

Doc G start a newsletter I would honestly subscribe to it. You are the most happening thing in Miami. I have to say. When I have gone down there I must really suck since I cant find a dam thing.

I support Doc G... The guy that never stops giving back to the community. You gotta love it..

LOL

Happy Hunting..


[QUOTE=Glenn61]All true Civ2000,,,viruses are not easily transferred to a healthy person and sexually transmitted viruses need a way through the skin.
Viral transmission is much more likely through the sinuses or lungs than with blood stream access for a healthy man, and as long as you don't have any cuts in your skin that exposes blood vessels your unlikely to have a viral infection enter your body.

Scientist say that it's 10 times easier to pass HIV from a man to a woman than the reverse because of the semen flow,,,which would explain why gay men who engage in anal sex are the predominant carriers if AIDS,,even more than intravenous drug users who if not careful would probably die from bacterial blood poisoning first.

Now bacterium is another story,,,Syphilis, Gonorrhea , Chlamydia and the sort are of bacterial nature. And bacteria can grow on your skin waiting for the opportunity yo penetrate your defenses.

This is where hygiene comes in,,and bacterial infections will usually show themselves with redness, legions or odor,,a sign to back off.

I have on several occasions after taking a SWer to a room done a quick inspection and changed my plans as far as oral or close contact around her face,,,and a few times I have just given an obviously infected girl 20. for her time and dropped her off back where I found her because she showed signs of skin irritation that is suspect.

Also if a girl is apprehensive about you looking before leaping,,like she might say "turn the light off they hurt my eyes being bright"...or she won't proudly show off her teeth and mouth but will gladly suck your dick....she's hiding the fact that there is dangerous levels of bacteria waiting to eat away at your flesh.

I once had a really cute BSWer that I fully intended to fvck,,,until we got to the NoTell room and she insisted on having a dark room.....So I turned the lamp at her and looked down there at her twat.

She had warts all around the area,,,and was not clean shaved,,,(another sign to watch out for).........do an inspection of your SWer before partaking, and if the girl is not friendly and cooperative of is uptight about you looking her over with a lighted view of her twat and mouth then beware,,,she may very well be setting a trap for your pointer......... ;)[/QUOTE]

This is my first time posting, and probably my last.

Like most people who frequent these forums, I was a lurker who frequented AMPs based on tips obtained here. This has been going on for the past five years, even though I'm a married man. Never did it without a condom, though I do remember getting BBBJ once or twice.

The problem is that recently I learned about HPV and how that can easily be transmitted even for those who wear condoms. That's more than enough to make me stop. But now I'm scared s--tless, because it is now likely that I caught HPV and transmitted it to my wife. (My wife claims that I'm the only one she's ever had sex with, and I believe her. She's also a germaphobe, so if something happens, she'll know it's me.)

I don't plan on telling my wife ever, so I have the following questions:

a) How likely is it that I'm now carrying HPV? How can I tell? There is no "FDA-approved" HPV test for men, and apparently most people who have HPV never see symptoms or only see them years after catching it.

b) Among those who are exposed to HPV, how many of these HPV cases go away on their own? I've seen conflicting reports on the web, from "Once you have it, you have it forever" to "In most cases, the immune system chases away symptoms and eliminates HPV or keeps it under control."

c) Is there any way I can get my wife tested without revealing to her what I've done? How much will it help her in terms of her health?

I really don't want a divorce, since I love my wife too much. I've done stupid things before, though, but this is just beyond stupid for me. Hopefully this will serve as a warning to other mongers who think condoms prevent everything, because they won't.

[QUOTE=Twincast]This is my first time posting, and probably my last.

Like most people who frequent these forums, I was a lurker who frequented AMPs based on tips obtained here.

but this is just beyond stupid for me.[/QUOTE]Thank you,

Most of us found this site post illness. Not pre.

See the title of my post.

[QUOTE=Twincast]This is my first time posting, and probably my last.

Like most people who frequent these forums, I was a lurker who frequented AMPs based on tips obtained here. This has been going on for the past five years, even though I'm a married man. Never did it without a condom, though I do remember getting BBBJ once or twice.

The problem is that recently I learned about HPV and how that can easily be transmitted even for those who wear condoms. That's more than enough to make me stop. But now I'm scared s--tless, because it is now likely that I caught HPV and transmitted it to my wife. (My wife claims that I'm the only one she's ever had sex with, and I believe her. She's also a germaphobe, so if something happens, she'll know it's me.)

I don't plan on telling my wife ever, so I have the following questions:

a) How likely is it that I'm now carrying HPV? How can I tell? There is no "FDA-approved" HPV test for men, and apparently most people who have HPV never see symptoms or only see them years after catching it.

b) Among those who are exposed to HPV, how many of these HPV cases go away on their own? I've seen conflicting reports on the web, from "Once you have it, you have it forever" to "In most cases, the immune system chases away symptoms and eliminates HPV or keeps it under control."

c) Is there any way I can get my wife tested without revealing to her what I've done? How much will it help her in terms of her health?

I really don't want a divorce, since I love my wife too much. I've done stupid things before, though, but this is just beyond stupid for me. Hopefully this will serve as a warning to other mongers who think condoms prevent everything, because they won't.[/QUOTE]Twincast:

If you're scared of HPV, see a doctor or. Mostly likely. Read up online. HPV comes in many forms and is rather common. According to sites I've read, there is no known cure but the virus and any outbreaks can be handled.

The most common symptons are warts in the genital area which normally appear 2-3 months after initial infection. Because there are many types of HPV, these warts may or may not be painful. Either way, if you develop them, see a doctor. More than likely, they'll be removed. With a giant LASER! Sorry. Couldn't resist.

As for the Missus, it's harder to tell with women. Any warts that develop can be internal and pap smears are the best bet in finding them. If your wife got a pap and found out she has warts. You may want to drop the "never tell her" stance.

Probably doesn't alleviate your fears but the truth isn't always supposed to.

Go see a Dr or go to an STD clinic where they will maintain confidentiality. You are asking for advice from a mostly risk taking, sexually addicted audience here.

[QUOTE=Twincast]This is my first time posting, and probably my last.

Like most people who frequent these forums, I was a lurker who frequented AMPs based on tips obtained here. This has been going on for the past five years, even though I'm a married man. Never did it without a condom, though I do remember getting BBBJ once or twice.

The problem is that recently I learned about HPV and how that can easily be transmitted even for those who wear condoms. That's more than enough to make me stop. But now I'm scared s--tless, because it is now likely that I caught HPV and transmitted it to my wife. (My wife claims that I'm the only one she's ever had sex with, and I believe her. She's also a germaphobe, so if something happens, she'll know it's me.)

I don't plan on telling my wife ever, so I have the following questions:

a) How likely is it that I'm now carrying HPV? How can I tell? There is no "FDA-approved" HPV test for men, and apparently most people who have HPV never see symptoms or only see them years after catching it.

b) Among those who are exposed to HPV, how many of these HPV cases go away on their own? I've seen conflicting reports on the web, from "Once you have it, you have it forever" to "In most cases, the immune system chases away symptoms and eliminates HPV or keeps it under control."

c) Is there any way I can get my wife tested without revealing to her what I've done? How much will it help her in terms of her health?

I really don't want a divorce, since I love my wife too much. I've done stupid things before, though, but this is just beyond stupid for me. Hopefully this will serve as a warning to other mongers who think condoms prevent everything, because they won't.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Daka1]

So, how does a guy with an SO at home explain a big box of condoms?

D[/QUOTE]

Hope you don't mind a Yankee jumping in. But I suggest buying a 3 pack, 5 bucks or so. Think of it as a insurance policy. You'll spend more than that in gas cruising. Use what you need, toss or donate the rest. Just my 2¢, hope y'all didnt mind. :)