"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Tidad;4058715]OK; you found a "beautiful little blonde haired and blue eyed angel" who was willing to fuck for financial help and you proceed to pay thousands of $$ to get her out of the area and out of financial need? That's great, thanks Capt.

BTW a hookup that you pay thousands $ for in advance isn't "free".[/QUOTE]My thoughts exactly. I had one SB that I paid every other time we hung out or so. Those weren't free meetings. It just meant the amount I paid was spread across several meetings. If you paid $2000 to get to NYC, and you've hooked up with her 10 times since then, you still paid her $200 per meeting. It might be a great deal but it definitely isn't free.

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Now I'm sure you're a chick. A really racist chick.

Fuck off

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[QUOTE=HawkJock;4057878]Airplane mode works and doesn't alert your friends of being turned off. You'll have to play with it, but it used to transmit your last known location when you switch to airplane mode until you go live again.[/QUOTE]But then you can't receive calls.

Only thing worse than SO knowing where you are is SO calling you for an hour unable to reach you -- going straight to VM sounds very different than ringing and not answered (ringer off excuse) -- and you don't know she is calling to have your alibi ready.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4059060]But then you can't receive calls.

Only thing worse than SO knowing where you are is SO calling you for an hour unable to reach you -- going straight to VM sounds very different than ringing and not answered (ringer off excuse) -- and you don't know she is calling to have your alibi ready.[/QUOTE]Turn the Location Services off. That works like a charm. Make sure you turn it off when you are at place whcih you want others to see. I always do that when we go partying from office after lunch.

Just want to chime in that this works. Trial membership ran out and had two new inbox messages. Found the responses!

Thanks!!

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;3939986]I'm a programmer, and I spend a good portion of my time doing web development. I've noted that SA has been rewriting portions of their site from a traditional "click link, wait for server return the new page" style to a "single-page application" approach. Turns out that due to some rather silly programming choices on their part, it's actually possible to view the text content of messages even if you don't have premium time enabled.

It involves opening up your browser's "development tools" window so you can inspect the contents of the page and the data being requested, and should work in either Chrome or Firefox.

Log in to SA and go to your inbox. Right-click anywhere on the page and choose "Inspect Element". The browser's dev tools should either pop up as a separate window, or as part of the main window. Click on the "network" tab in the dev tools. Then, back in the SA inbox screen, click on a conversation.

If you go back to the "network" tab, you should see a list of all the data requests the SA page asked for from the server. One of them should look like "/ inbox? Page=1&limit=25". Click on that one. It'll show a bunch of technical details of some of the message headers.

Now, look for a tab called "Response". If you click on that, you should see a tree with sections like "status", "message", "conversation", and "metadata". Expand "conversation" "messages" "data". You should see some numbered entries, 0 and up. Those represent each of the messages in the conversation, from both of you. (Side note: the "metadata" object has a whole bunch of info that they know about your own account. Some of it is info you entered yourself, like profile info. There's also things like "payments_total", which appears to be how much you've actually ever paid SA, unread message count, whether you're in the EU, and even fields labeled "has_under_age_punishment" and "has_unacknowledged_punishment". Very interesting.)

Each message entry has a field called "body", which is the text that's shown in your inbox. If you've got premium active, it's the actual message text. If not, it's "Upgrade to read".

Here's where they did something silly. They send back the text that should be shown, but *they also send back the original text too*. So, even if the "body" field says "Upgrade to read", the "original_body" field shows the actual no-kidding message that was sent. You can inspect each of the messages that was received, and effectively read the conversation.

It's not a substitute for reading messages in the inbox as usual, but it might be helpful for anyone who gets a message when they don't have premium active and wants to peek at it without having to immediately shell out the cash to read it.

As a programmer, I can tell that there's actually a _ton_ of useful information being returned whenever you view a profile page or inbox page. It would be possible for someone to write a browser extension that either extracted some of that info from a page, or re-requested that data from the server, and did something useful with it (up to and including modifying an inbox to show all the messages without needing premium enabled). Sadly, I don't have time to work on anything like that myself. I've got a lot of other things on my plate.

Hope that helps![/QUOTE]

This was in the NYTimes today coincidentally: [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/10/business/location-data-privacy-apps.html[/URL].

Long and short is that so many apps track you now.

There seems to be a perpetual moving target in terms of how to pay for monthly membership without giving up our personal identity. I have had a lot of luck over time with OneVanilla and VanillaGift prepaid debit cards, and there seems to be some posting in sugar threads that indicates these still work, but I am not 100% sure.

I want to inquire about the experience of others w / another scenario I can envision. I have an Android phone and have the [URL]seeking.com[/URL] app on it. I am guessing from other's posts that I could pay for a month with Google Pay. I haven't ever used it, so does it work this way? I get myself a Google Pay prepaid card (which I am guessing I can do without giving up personal info) and add it to the Google Pay app on my sugar burner? Then I can pay my membership on the [URL]seeking.com[/URL] app from Google Pay? If someone has experience doing this, or a correction of it, I'd be very grateful.

I only have a membership on seeking for a month at a time, perhaps less, it isn't necessary for me to have a full plate, and I get too obsessed w / finding new SBs. I have used the app to set up a new profile, with that you can get a week of full membership for <$30, that has worked for me at some time.

[QUOTE=Zcochran00;3939986]I'm a programmer, and I spend a good portion of my time doing web development. I've noted that SA has been rewriting portions of their site from a traditional "click link, wait for server return the new page" style to a "single-page application" approach. Turns out that due to some rather silly programming choices on their part, it's actually possible to view the text content of messages even if you don't have premium time enabled.

It involves opening up your browser's "development tools" window so you can inspect the contents of the page and the data being requested, and should work in either Chrome or Firefox.

Log in to SA and go to your inbox. Right-click anywhere on the page and choose "Inspect Element". The browser's dev tools should either pop up as a separate window, or as part of the main window. Click on the "network" tab in the dev tools. Then, back in the SA inbox screen, click on a conversation.

If you go back to the "network" tab, you should see a list of all the data requests the SA page asked for from the server. One of them should look like "/ inbox? Page=1&limit=25". Click on that one. It'll show a bunch of technical details of some of the message headers.

Now, look for a tab called "Response". If you click on that, you should see a tree with sections like "status", "message", "conversation", and "metadata". Expand "conversation" "messages" "data". You should see some numbered entries, 0 and up. Those represent each of the messages in the conversation, from both of you. (Side note: the "metadata" object has a whole bunch of info that they know about your own account. Some of it is info you entered yourself, like profile info. There's also things like "payments_total", which appears to be how much you've actually ever paid SA, unread message count, whether you're in the EU, and even fields labeled "has_under_age_punishment" and "has_unacknowledged_punishment". Very interesting.)

Each message entry has a field called "body", which is the text that's shown in your inbox. If you've got premium active, it's the actual message text. If not, it's "Upgrade to read".

Here's where they did something silly. They send back the text that should be shown, but *they also send back the original text too*. So, even if the "body" field says "Upgrade to read", the "original_body" field shows the actual no-kidding message that was sent. You can inspect each of the messages that was received, and effectively read the conversation.

It's not a substitute for reading messages in the inbox as usual, but it might be helpful for anyone who gets a message when they don't have premium active and wants to peek at it without having to immediately shell out the cash to read it.

As a programmer, I can tell that there's actually a _ton_ of useful information being returned whenever you view a profile page or inbox page. It would be possible for someone to write a browser extension that either extracted some of that info from a page, or re-requested that data from the server, and did something useful with it (up to and including modifying an inbox to show all the messages without needing premium enabled). Sadly, I don't have time to work on anything like that myself. I've got a lot of other things on my plate.

Hope that helps![/QUOTE]Z,

Thanks for this! I can also attest that it works. Is there a way to use the same procedure, or a variation, to suss out the SB's email or contact info? I see that all my dirty laundry is on display, but not hers. If you could poke around a bit more and see what else you can find, I'm pretty sure we would elect you to the SD Clubhouse All-Time Hall of Fame!

Waiting with bated breath.

Scott.

[QUOTE=BamBam;4057796]There have always been both types on the site. Maybe the share has increased. Most of the complaints I have heard is about them being scammers. That aside, the big interest for me is this ranting online: [b]where are they doing it?[/b] If you can learn that, it would be BIG news and very useful!

BAM.[/QUOTE]Hey man, you can check Reddit (sugarlifestyle sub forum I think) for some "testimonials". I want to see what Dragon has to say though, he might have something new to bring to the table.

-Queefy.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4060747]There seems to be a perpetual moving target in terms of how to pay for monthly membership without giving up our personal identity. I have had a lot of luck over time with OneVanilla and VanillaGift prepaid debit cards, and there seems to be some posting in sugar threads that indicates these still work, but I am not 100% sure.

I want to inquire about the experience of others w / another scenario I can envision. I have an Android phone and have the [URL]seeking.com[/URL] app on it. I am guessing from other's posts that I could pay for a month with Google Pay. I haven't ever used it, so does it work this way? I get myself a Google Pay prepaid card (which I am guessing I can do without giving up personal info) and add it to the Google Pay app on my sugar burner? Then I can pay my membership on the [URL]seeking.com[/URL] app from Google Pay? If someone has experience doing this, or a correction of it, I'd be very grateful.

I only have a membership on seeking for a month at a time, perhaps less, it isn't necessary for me to have a full plate, and I get too obsessed w / finding new SBs. I have used the app to set up a new profile, with that you can get a week of full membership for <$30, that has worked for me at some time.[/QUOTE]You can add a prepaid card to Google pay. I just did it a week ago. In my case, I used a Vanilla prepaid card available at most drug stores.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4058471]Uh, there's a disconnect here. You say your SB is a 'civvy' - but then she says 'most guys' - so, obviously, she has a database big enough to use *most* - you've got what is defined here as an UTR.[/QUOTE]I suppose you are right in that regard. From my limited 9 month life of sugaring in the Bowl, I've found what I would say are real civvies, UTRs and outright professionals. Of course, how one characterizes an SB is a constant debate here and we all have our own opinions. And because I'm a relative newbie, my opinion is moot as I have no idea what the Bowl was like last year, two or ten years ago. We each have our reasons for playing in the Bowl and sometimes I'm willing to nurture an actual SB while other times I just want to get my dick wet because I have the time and cash and my experience, for the most part, is that the SBs, even the UTRs, are better than the pros as they don't watch the clock, and provide an overall better experience.

[QUOTE=FScott;4061086]Z,

Thanks for this! I can also attest that it works. Is there a way to use the same procedure, or a variation, to suss out the SB's email or contact info? I see that all my dirty laundry is on display, but not hers. If you could poke around a bit more and see what else you can find, I'm pretty sure we would elect you to the SD Clubhouse All-Time Hall of Fame!

Waiting with bated breath.

Scott.[/QUOTE]This works good. But the SA IT team will fix this bug (it's very east to fix (two lines of code change) if they know that we know about it. So we need to use it only thru PMs not publicly.

I figured I come the the source for all things SB / SA. Have you guys had any luck using Google Image Search to get info on pics from SA profiles? Seems as if they are changing the meta-data and none of the pictures are returning results when I input them into the Image Search.

[QUOTE=HawkJock;4062236]I figured I come the the source for all things SB / SA. Have you guys had any luck using Google Image Search to get info on pics from SA profiles? Seems as if they are changing the meta-data and none of the pictures are returning results when I input them into the Image Search.[/QUOTE]I might get one out of 30 pic searches to work. That's for 30 women, not pics. But with that said I just searched one this morning and it came back associated with a Taiwan twitter account.

My best search tool was FB before they blocked phone number searches. With more and more people making their Socials for friends only, it is getting harder to get any intel on them.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;4063047]I might get one out of 30 pic searches to work. That's for 30 women, not pics. But with that said I just searched one this morning and it came back associated with a Taiwan twitter account.

My best search tool was FB before they blocked phone number searches. With more and more people making their Socials for friends only, it is getting harder to get any intel on them.[/QUOTE]Yes. I use an iPhone. When I get a number, I assign it to a contact. I've had several of those contacts "pop up" in my FB list of people I may know. It sometimes takes a couple days of exchanging texts before it does tho.

[QUOTE=HawkJock;4063102]Yes. I use an iPhone. When I get a number, I assign it to a contact. I've had several of those contacts "pop up" in my FB list of people I may know. It sometimes takes a couple days of exchanging texts before it does tho.[/QUOTE]Snap Chat works well too.

I run all numbers through the Mr Number app (I pay for the premium membership). Depending on how diligent I am being in my initial screening, I'd say it spits back a name 33-50% of the time. I can then run that through google to see if linked in results turn up and run through Facebook.

[QUOTE=HawkJock;4062236]I figured I come the the source for all things SB / SA. Have you guys had any luck using Google Image Search to get info on pics from SA profiles? Seems as if they are changing the meta-data and none of the pictures are returning results when I input them into the Image Search.[/QUOTE]I haven't done image searches but once I get a phone number, they do pop up on social media rather frequently which helps me get a feel for them overall. Once you get a true view of them and the image they put out, much easier to make an informed decision.

I often thought she was interesting but for some reason hesitated contacting her. I'm curious if anyone ever met with her and what the results were? She doesn't seem to be too active on SA presently.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a6d0b...9-6da16d703ace[/URL]

I have been talking with her off and on for a few weeks. Wants $$ 5 for an evening. Seems kinda flaky. There one day and then conversation just drops right in the middle. LOL.

Would be interested if any one else has info.

[QUOTE=BigEDog;4063408]I often thought she was interesting but for some reason hesitated contacting her. I'm curious if anyone ever met with her and what the results were? She doesn't seem to be too active on SA presently.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a6d0b...9-6da16d703ace[/URL][/QUOTE]

Any info on this one? Thanks.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9a8f1f9a-293e-47a9-9eea-1ff7d6dfbc54[/URL]

I'm curious as to how many people read this thread. My current #1 girl.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0701b60a-4090-4172-87c3-4aabe9bde05c[/URL]

Seems to be DTF. Unfortunately for me, she is lives mostly in Richmond, not in Alexandria as I had hoped, so she is too far from me. Anyone else contacted her?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4064129]I'm curious as to how many people read this thread. My current #1 girl.[/QUOTE]Well I certainly do and appreciate the posts HG. Is this the 18 yr old new one? Can't tell from the back LOL.

[QUOTE=KsDarkKnight;4064410]Well I certainly do and appreciate the posts HG. Is this the 18 yr old new one? Can't tell from the back LOL.[/QUOTE]yes it's her

[QUOTE=YeongIl;4064168][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0701b60a-4090-4172-87c3-4aabe9bde05c[/URL]

Seems to be DTF. Unfortunately for me, she is lives mostly in Richmond, not in Alexandria as I had hoped, so she is too far from me. Anyone else contacted her?[/QUOTE]Wanted to get paid for M&G. Which I do not do.

[QUOTE=RedBaron69;4063687]Any info on this one? Thanks.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9a8f1f9a-293e-47a9-9eea-1ff7d6dfbc54[/URL][/QUOTE]Texted her extensively in the Spring. Seems legit and gets it, just a tad pricey.

I chatted her up for a while and tried to hook up but she lives out in the sticks and is hard to get her to town. Gave up after a few tries. She is real, we talked on the phone a couple of times. Good luck.

[QUOTE=RedBaron69;4063687]Any info on this one? Thanks.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9a8f1f9a-293e-47a9-9eea-1ff7d6dfbc54[/URL][/QUOTE]

LOL she's quite a package.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4064129]I'm curious as to how many people read this thread. My current #1 girl.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4064129]I'm curious as to how many people read this thread. My current #1 girl.[/QUOTE]All I can say is LUCKY YOU. Looks nice from that view.

That sure is a nice view!

[2 QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4064129]I'm curious as to how many people read this thread. My current #1 girl. [ / QUOTE].

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4064129]I'm curious as to how many people read this thread. My current #1 girl.[/QUOTE]So far we are at 600+ views, LA thread is at 1,000+ views (but pic has been up for a few more days).

Some one said to set up a new email account with an International card. Assistance needed Thanks CM.

So while I'm still very happy with my 3-month-and-counting SB on a personal level, there have been enough tradeoffs on the physical intimacy end that I decided to do a little more exploring to get some concrete comparisons. So far I haven't found much that would be even in the ballpark for matching the classiness of this young lady. But a recent one was just off the charts weird.

So I found a 30-something that seemed like it might be a stable situation and maybe a different physical dynamic. But it was a really odd mixed message. When I shared my GV number she called rather than texted (who does that? She seemed rather sweet and I decided to go out on a limb and just schedule an NSA on the phone. It was when I had to reschedule over texting that I start getting serious desperation vibes, which would normally make me exit stage left pretty damned fast. We texted back and forth and I gave her some clear indications that this was getting out of my comfort zone, with some general explanations as to why. I was about ready to totally bail out, and frankly I don't know why I didn't.

But we agreed to phone each other the next day to renegotiate where to meet for dinner. And we talked a lot about why I was uncomfortable, and she shared more detail about the tough spot she was in, and that got me to the point where I figured a dinner couldn't hurt. On meeting her she was a little quirky, but in an innocent way, and her story hung together in a way that eased my paranoia. So I offered that while I couldn't promise anything long term just yet, I'd be fine with a date since her needs seemed so urgent.

As FC visits go, was definitely not great. She had a lot of restrictions (CBJ, no DATY), and in general gave an amateur vibe. Nice that this wasn't some UTR, but she also really didn't seem to know what she was doing or how to act. I'm pretty sure I was her first FC visit. Out of charity and hoping that she would get better with more direction, I offered a date the next week.

I semi-ghosted her the next day, as I was busy with an overnight with my regular SB. But the day after that I opened up a casual conversation on text to keep the iron warm. She responded with "who is this? I texted her one of my stock selfies and suddenly she remembered my name. Uh, ok. Not much after that and I wasn't terribly motivated anyway.

Then tonight I get a message from her on SA that she had updated her profile and to "hmu" if I was interested. WTF? We'd already had a date, another one tentatively planned, and I had even taken her grocery shopping between dinner and the FC because she genuinely seemed to need help. Yet she messages me as if she doesn't know me.

Either there are a few screws loose, or she's an extremely talented actress / scam artist. If the latter I don't know what her angle is, and both in phone conversations and in person she seemed about as guileless as any SB I've met.

I wasn't interested in a long-term thing anyway, as I really didn't want the drama. So now I'm mostly motivated to let her just totally flake on me and fade away, will save me the trouble of cutting her loose.

But, just. Wow.

I'm not a SA member, but had an awesome SB until October & follow this thread.

I've hesitated to join SA & only have the access you get from having a free account. Can look but not message or see everything in a profile. Get messages but not be able to read them or have a conversation via the I'm.

I get tons of girls checking out my profile & messaging me, but can't read them. One from about four weeks ago. For some reason I could still not read it but I just was able to message her back my GV cell number. Immediately tried another one and it was blocked again.

Can SB at a certain level, like premium, get messages from non paying members?

I'm on the fence about becoming a member. I've had three SB in the last three years. The awesome one for 2 1/2 years that ended in October when she got engaged to her live in BF of over four years, another, a stripper I still see now & then, I've been seen for over 2 1/2 years & an ebony model I saw last March for about a month.

#1 college co-ed now 26, #2 stripper 25, #3 single mom, 24.

All three I just chatted up & went from there. Surprisingly, of the three the stripper took the longest to bed. We did priivate dances but she wouldn't take her panties off. She claimed to only like girls, I thought she was just putting me off. When I finally got in her she was so tight it took a lot of DATY to loosen her up & still lube to get in, and I'm average size. To say she fucked my brains out would be an understatement. My first and so far only true squirter, she soaked the bed!

I'm working on a super cute 30 year old bartender currently with a killer bod.

It takes a lot more work & time this way but when you get in it's worth it. SB #1 turned into a legit love affair. Miss her for sure.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;3847240]I don't know how to highlight one section of the quote here, but I responding to your part about cleaning up, staying in shape, etc. This is huge, as no younger girl wants to be pounded by an old obese slob, no offense to anyone. But facts are facts. I take this part of my game even further. I micro manage every aspect of my overall looks and health and you know what? Not only is it good for sugar dating, it's just good for overall health and well being. I basically bodybuild. I'm no pro, but could be a solid amateur bodybuilder. When I walk into meet these girls, they can tell, yes, I'm older, but to have my build, they know I have my shit together. I've had girls say they should be offering me allowance and a few probably meant it. I have little empathy for anyone who lets themselves totally go. So keep that in mind. My one vice that counters all this, is drinking. I do better with the girls when buzzed and loosened up, and since I'm dating them so much, I find myself having several drinks, multiple times per week and that has set me back. But drinking really helps me be more open as I can be a bit stiff without it.

My point is, if you're a 40 plus year old guy, get your hormones checked, get them in line and don; t just do some morning sit-ups and call it good, train your body, get in the best shape of you life and you'll do ten times better at this game. The girls will actually be into you! I speak from experience! And they best sex you can have with anyone, is someone having fun too and into it.

Two cents.[/QUOTE]I will tell you I was a stereotypical sex, drugs and rock and roll kinda guy right out of the sixties and now in my sixties. The first time I had sex sober was at 42. Let me tell you that was some scary shit. It took quite a while to be able to get comfortable enough in my own skin to get anywhere near the quality of sex I was having when I was buzzed, stoned, wasted, high (whatever). Like a few years.

Even now 20+ years later there are times I wish I could get a little buzz on to enhance the moment. Usually I just live vicariously through my little girls as most of them party a bit to achieve the same effect. And at their age there is no telling them too much other than not to overdo it. It's just one of those compromises I have to live with to be able to stay in the game.

And drinking specifically will start to have negative effects on your ability to get it up over time. But you already know all this or should. And the mixing of drinking with sex enhancing drugs like viagra or cialis is a big no no.

Just an added FYI. The thought of actually getting high (on anything) and then being able to keep up at work/play (well I just know I would be fooling myself). No amount of diet and exercise can compensate for a bad liver, drugged sleep, the hangovers, loss of focus, whatever. Been there, done that, not doing it today. I banged my current little girl so much yesterday my biceps are sore today (that's a workout... right?). lol. And yeah, I am still in the green zone. Now I will STFU.

Just my 1 cent.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4067057]I will tell you I was a stereotypical sex, drugs and rock and roll kinda guy right out of the sixties and now in my sixties. The first time I had sex sober was at 42. Let me tell you that was some scary shit. It took quite a while to be able to get comfortable enough in my own skin to get anywhere near the quality of sex I was having when I was buzzed, stoned, wasted, high (whatever). Like a few years.

Even now 20+ years later there are times I wish I could get a little buzz on to enhance the moment. Usually I just live vicariously through my little girls as most of them party a bit to achieve the same effect. And at their age there is no telling them too much other than not to overdo it. It's just one of those compromises I have to live with to be able to stay in the game..[/QUOTE]This thread is worth reviving! I mean, we are middle aged guys that are hanging out with banging hot 20-30 something ladies. Yes, for the most part, we have our shit together, provide and allowance / gifts and add to their life experiences. And yes, they will venture to the FC for those, but they will lay it on the line and enjoy the the experiences far more if they are attracted. We simply have to take care of ourselves, not only for this hobby, but in general.

The working out part is more important after we hit our early to mid 40's. Our testosterone production decreases dramatically when we reach that age and muscle mass decreases. If we maintain the same weight that translates to increased fat storage, which further decreases testosterone. Lifting weights is three pronged: It increases muscle mass, it decreases fat storage, and increases testosterone production. You don't have to be a gym rat to get the these effects. 3 days a week of even light-moderate exercise will yield great results. Your boner and your SB will thank you for that investment!

I am upper 40's, nearly 50, and I am having the time of my life. 4 pops with a hot co-ed just yesterday / last night only to wake up this morning for another hours worth of FC. Supplements worth mentioning: CoQ10, SeroVital, Turmeric, and a Testosterone supplement I get from Costco. I also use Rodan and Fields beyond the shave regimen.

Not only for the hobby, but for life in general, we need to take care of the machine that we are using to make this hobby so much fun.

Good luck fellas and be careful out there!!

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4067057]Just an added FYI. The thought of actually getting high (on anything) and then being able to keep up at work/play (well I just know I would be fooling myself). No amount of diet and exercise can compensate for a bad liver, drugged sleep, the hangovers, loss of focus, whatever. Been there, done that, not doing it today. I banged my current little girl so much yesterday my biceps are sore today (that's a workout... right?). lol. And yeah, I am still in the green zone. Now I will STFU.

Just my 1 cent.[/QUOTE]Got myself squarely into the green zone after getting dead serious about my diet and keeping up with weight training starting last summer. Lost 25 lbs and I now have noticeable muscle definition. Can't compete with a gym rat, but I definitely now like what I see when I take off my shirt in the bathroom mirror.

And yes, it makes a huge difference. Your game is naturally better because you look good and you know it. Losing 25 lbs easily shaves 5 years off your looks, and your self-esteem probably another 1-2 on top of that. When it comes time for FC, you look forward to getting naked. Not am I only in better shape than the majority of 50-somethings, I'm in better shape than most of the SB's I've encountered. My latest flakey one actually apologized as we were getting started that she hadn't been to the gym in awhile. Prior to that, as we were sipping wine on the couch, she commented on how firm I was when she was stroking my chest through my shirt.

Anything and everything you can do to shatter their preconceived notion that sex with an older guy is something to endure rather than enjoy will pay off handsomely.

And that extends beyond the bowl. I carry myself with much more confidence now. I'm thrilled every day when I put on the 32 W jeans that haven't fit in years, and now are actually starting to be a little loose on me. Can't recommend trimming down highly enough!

[QUOTE=Walruscl;4067560]Got myself squarely into the green zone after getting dead serious about my diet and keeping up with weight training starting last summer. Lost 25 lbs and I now have noticeable muscle definition. Can't compete with a gym rat, but I definitely now like what I see when I take off my shirt in the bathroom mirror.

And yes, it makes a huge difference. Your game is naturally better because you look good and you know it. Losing 25 lbs easily shaves 5 years off your looks, and your self-esteem probably another 1-2 on top of that. When it comes time for FC, you look forward to getting naked. Not am I only in better shape than the majority of 50-somethings, I'm in better shape than most of the SB's I've encountered. My latest flakey one actually apologized as we were getting started that she hadn't been to the gym in awhile. Prior to that, as we were sipping wine on the couch, she commented on how firm I was when she was stroking my chest through my shirt.

Anything and everything you can do to shatter their preconceived notion that sex with an older guy is something to endure rather than enjoy will pay off handsomely.

And that extends beyond the bowl. I carry myself with much more confidence now. I'm thrilled every day when I put on the 32 W jeans that haven't fit in years, and now are actually starting to be a little loose on me. Can't recommend trimming down highly enough![/QUOTE]Good work dude!!

[QUOTE=Walruscl;4067560]I'm in better shape than most of the SB's I've encountered. [/QUOTE]Maybe its time to up your game?